Commissioners how would you handle this (1 Viewer)

[fsufan]

I had an owner leave 3 players in her starting line up this week that where on byes(Bledsoe, McCardell and R. Moss). This owner has been playing in this league for 7 years and has never done this. She emailed me last night at 11PM and said she changed her line up about 11 AM Sunday morning but for some reason it did not save. She was gone the rest of the day. With her changes she would be tied going into tonight’s game and she would have 2 players and the other owners would have 1.

I asked her to email the league and explain what happen. I also asked her to email the owner she is playing and ask him if it is OK for me (the commish) to make the changes to her line up she tried to make.

How would you handle this?

Has this happened in your league before?

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I had an owner leave 3 players in her starting line up this week. This owner had been playing in this league for 7 years and has never done this. She emailed me last night at 11PM and said she changed her line up about 11 AM Sunday morning but for some reason it did not save. She was gone the rest of the day. With her changes she would be tied going into tonight’s game and she would have 2 players and the other owners would have 1. I asked her to email the league and explain what happen. I also asked her to email the owner she is playing and ask him if it is OK for me (the commish) to make the changes to her line up she tried to make. How would you handle this? Has this happened in your league before?

I know you're going to get a flurry of "she should have checked to make sure before logging off - too bad" posts. However, I think more has to be taken into consideration when playing in leagues with friends & family. I assume you don't think she's lying?

 

[audiophile]

I had an owner leave 3 players in her starting line up this week. This owner had been playing in this league for 7 years and has never done this. She emailed me last night at 11PM and said she changed her line up about 11 AM Sunday morning but for some reason it did not save. She was gone the rest of the day. With her changes she would be tied going into tonight’s game and she would have 2 players and the other owners would have 1.

I asked her to email the league and explain what happen. I also asked her to email the owner she is playing and ask him if it is OK for me (the commish) to make the changes to her line up she tried to make.

How would you handle this?

Has this happened in your league before?

I know you're going to get a flurry of "she should have checked to make sure before logging off - too bad" posts. However, I think more has to be taken into consideration when playing in leagues with friends & family. I assume you don't think she's lying?

I think that the only way you can even possibly consider changing her lineup at this point is if she had BYE week players in her starting lineup. If she did, then that would lend credibility to her case. With that said, there's no way a Monday morning lineup change like this would be allowed in my league. HTH.

 

[blenderfrog]

I had an owner leave 3 players in her starting line up this week.

I don't see what the problem is, I leave players in my starting line-up every week, usually more than 3.

 

[CA_7]

Curious as to what site you guys use? I know sites like MFL and RTS have checks and balance in place to confirm lineup submission after they are made.

 

[fsufan]

I had an owner leave 3 players in her starting line up this week. This owner had been playing in this league for 7 years and has never done this. She emailed me last night at 11PM and said she changed her line up about 11 AM Sunday morning but for some reason it did not save. She was gone the rest of the day. With her changes she would be tied going into tonight’s game and she would have 2 players and the other owners would have 1. I asked her to email the league and explain what happen. I also asked her to email the owner she is playing and ask him if it is OK for me (the commish) to make the changes to her line up she tried to make. How would you handle this? Has this happened in your league before?

I know you're going to get a flurry of "she should have checked to make sure before logging off - too bad" posts. However, I think more has to be taken into consideration when playing in leagues with friends & family. I assume you don't think she's lying?

She did say in her email she should of double check. I do trust her and all the other owners. I am going to let them work it out.

 

[fsufan]

Curious as to what site you guys use? I know sites like MFL and RTS have checks and balance in place to confirm lineup submission after they are made.

CBSI play in 2 leagues that use myfantasyleague.com. I like how they send you and the other owners an email when a line up change is made. I wish CBS did this.

 

[CA_7]

She did say in her email she should of double check. I do trust her and all the other owners. I am going to let them work it out.

Good call. If everyone knows each other and her opponent wants to honor it than it is up to them. That way everything you did is within the rules.

 

[bonscott]

Wouldn't fly in my league. I have it in my rules that technological failure is not an excuse to not get your lineup in. Also MFL emails both the submitter and the opponent so there is another reason for no excuse.

In your case though I think you made a good descision in letting the league decide. I'd personally tell the owner she was SOL but if all the other owners in the league didn't mind her having her "new" lineup then I might let it pass. But there is a problem of the slipperly slope when you let things like that go through.

 

[my man otis]

Personally as commish I feel as though I need to make a decision on this rather than letting the owners duke it out. Make a call and stick with it either way.

Here it's a little tough b/c her email came at 11PM, not 11AM.

 

[yellowdog]

Don't do it. The owner is responsible for submitting the lineup. He/she is responsible for making sure the lineup is saved. He/she had a week to get bye players out of the lineup.

 

[fsufan]

Don't do it. The owner is responsible for submitting the lineup. He/she is responsible for making sure the lineup is saved. He/she had a week to get bye players out of the lineup.

as an owner and commish this is how I fell

 

[trogg78]

If this is a truly competetive league than lineups should be adjusted on Tuesday. No exceptions.

 

[Sabertooth]

Don't do it. The owner is responsible for submitting the lineup. He/she is responsible for making sure the lineup is saved. He/she had a week to get bye players out of the lineup.

as an owner and commish this is how I fell

That's how I would have done it. Tell her next time to have a man do it for her. That should help smooth things over.

 

[Sabertooth]

Also, just for future reference.

 

[pacman_fl]

Personally as commish I feel as though I need to make a decision on this rather than letting the owners duke it out. Make a call and stick with it either way.Here it's a little tough b/c her email came at 11PM, not 11AM.

Agreed - after your league makes the decision you are going to have future issues for sure. As a commish I start checking for line-up submissions of other teams on Friday afternoon and notifying managers to make sure it's done. With the issues of some sites (and CBS has had some issues this year) I have set preliminary line-ups as early as possible this year just in case.

 

[Dreamer]

Don't do it. The owner is responsible for submitting the lineup. He/she is responsible for making sure the lineup is saved. He/she had a week to get bye players out of the lineup.

as an owner and commish this is how I fell

That's how I would have done it. Tell her next time to have a man do it for her. That should help smooth things over.

 

[fsufan]

If this is a truly competetive league than lineups should be adjusted on Tuesday. No exceptions.

very competetive$150 league fee

 

[fsufan]

Personally as commish I feel as though I need to make a decision on this rather than letting the owners duke it out. Make a call and stick with it either way.Here it's a little tough b/c her email came at 11PM, not 11AM.

Agreed - after your league makes the decision you are going to have future issues for sure. As a commish I start checking for line-up submissions of other teams on Friday afternoon and notifying managers to make sure it's done. With the issues of some sites (and CBS has had some issues this year) I have set preliminary line-ups as early as possible this year just in case.

good idea. I run 2 leagues and I am going to start looking over the line-ups on Friday to make sure no one is starting a player on a bye or hurt player

 

[trogg78]

If this is a truly competetive league than lineups should be adjusted on Tuesday. No exceptions.

very competetive$150 league fee

Than you would expect the lineupe to be adjusted several times throughout the week and not at the last minute. She needs a goose egg.

 

[pacman_fl]

Personally as commish I feel as though I need to make a decision on this rather than letting the owners duke it out. Make a call and stick with it either way.Here it's a little tough b/c her email came at 11PM, not 11AM.

Agreed - after your league makes the decision you are going to have future issues for sure. As a commish I start checking for line-up submissions of other teams on Friday afternoon and notifying managers to make sure it's done. With the issues of some sites (and CBS has had some issues this year) I have set preliminary line-ups as early as possible this year just in case.

good idea. I run 2 leagues and I am going to start looking over the line-ups on Friday to make sure no one is starting a player on a bye or hurt player

I wouldn't go overboard. It's still the teams responsibility to check bye's/injuries - but a simple e-mail to the affect "you may want to check your line-up submission" is good enough. In week 1 I had an owner short 1 player when he set line-ups on Friday - I e-mailed him that we had the "flex" position (another owner with mulitple leagues and settings and new to the site we use), but that is about as far as I would go.

 

[fsufan]

Personally as commish I feel as though I need to make a decision on this rather than letting the owners duke it out. Make a call and stick with it either way.Here it's a little tough b/c her email came at 11PM, not 11AM.

Agreed - after your league makes the decision you are going to have future issues for sure. As a commish I start checking for line-up submissions of other teams on Friday afternoon and notifying managers to make sure it's done. With the issues of some sites (and CBS has had some issues this year) I have set preliminary line-ups as early as possible this year just in case.

good idea. I run 2 leagues and I am going to start looking over the line-ups on Friday to make sure no one is starting a player on a bye or hurt player

I wouldn't go overboard. It's still the teams responsibility to check bye's/injuries - but a simple e-mail to the affect "you may want to check your line-up submission" is good enough. In week 1 I had an owner short 1 player when he set line-ups on Friday - I e-mailed him that we had the "flex" position (another owner with mulitple leagues and settings and new to the site we use), but that is about as far as I would go.

Things do come up. I have never had a problem helping out an owner when they cannot get to their computer Sunday morning.My brother plays in my other league. He called my about 11 and said he had had a WR on a bye and would not be home in time to make the change. He asked me if I would make it for him. I would do this for all owners.

 

[Sodbuster]

Both leagues that I'm in use Fanball. Most of us, in addition to entering it on Fanball, will send an email to our opponent and the commish of who our starting line up is.

 

[jcjets]

I'm going to fall into the 'too bad' category. Now she is going to make the person she is playing against the bad guy for saying 'No'.

Look at it this way: Are there options as to who this person could have started in place of the bye week players? Why do you assume that she would have started the players that would have made the score tied going into tonight’s game.

Can I do that next week in your league? Start players on a bye then tell you Monday morning that I actually started the players that had the best score that weekend? Do not set a precedence, it can only lead to problems down the road.

 

[Warhogs]

My feeling is that unfortunately if there is no evidence of who she intended to start since it did not save that you can only use the lineup that was entered. If there is any sort of email notification prior to the week starting I would accept that but otherwise there is just nothing that shows who she intended to start so you have to use what was in the system.

 

[Flying V]

If you let her slide on this one you're setting bad precedence.

Other owners might start to "forget to double check" in the future.

 

[fsufan]

Both leagues that I'm in use Fanball. Most of us, in addition to entering it on Fanball, will send an email to our opponent and the commish of who our starting line up is.

another good idea. or they could post it on the league MB. Anything posted on the CBS league MB is emailed to all owners

 

[Wreckincrew]

Don't do it. The owner is responsible for submitting the lineup. He/she is responsible for making sure the lineup is saved. He/she had a week to get bye players out of the lineup.

as an owner and commish this is how I fell

Sorry to hear that, but falling down rarely solves anything.

 

[fsufan]

Don't do it. The owner is responsible for submitting the lineup. He/she is responsible for making sure the lineup is saved. He/she had a week to get bye players out of the lineup.

as an owner and commish this is how I fell

Sorry to hear that, but falling down rarely solves anything.

It is Monday. Still recovering from my drinking from Friday night.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Look at it this way: Are there options as to who this person could have started in place of the bye week players? Why do you assume that she would have started the players that would have made the score tied going into tonight’s game.

These are my thougts as well....not sure how many players you maintain on your roster....but who really knows who she would have started in place of her guys on bye.I feel the only thing that you have going is that she has been in the league for 7 years and has NEVER done this before.However, ultimately her lineup is her responsibility, and she should not have waited until the last minute in such a competetive league....realistically, she had since last Tuesday to get those guys out of her lineup....I understand things come up, but they don't come up for 6 days straight.......lesson learned for her would be my vote........

 

[King for a Day]

I'm a long time commish who has faced numerous tough issues and my advice to you is to follow your rules. Do not let emotion get in the way of your carrying out your duties. Your responsibility, first and foremost, is to the league as a whole. It's your job to protect the integrity of the league and govern it by the rules agreed upon. This isn't a grey area. This is a simple missing of a deadline by an owner. There is only one person who is responsible for getting their line up set and it's the owner of that team. Justice is blind and so must you be in carrying out the duties of commissioner. Especially if there is a $150.00 buy-in. If you stray from the rules you will tarnish the commissionership and lose the respect of some of your owners. It may not happen immediately but it will happen. It will come back to haunt you.

First, you will be alterring the entire league, not just one game. Making line up changes in this case could change the outcome of a game and would certainly change the overall point total for that one team for the year. What happens if either of those issues comes back to cost someone a playoff spot? How does the guy who loses out feel since this person missed the deadline and still got points which then costs them in the end?

Second, it's not like you have to wait til 11:00 a.m. on Sunday to set your line up. This owner waited that long and it was a personal choice. It's nobody's responsibility but that single owner to get their line up in.

Three, what will happen the next time this comes up only with ill intentions? Each league has at least one owner who doesn't care how they win. What happens the next time someone misses a deadline and they come to you asking you to make changes based on their word? You will have taken the word of an owner in the past so you will be expected to take the owner's word again. It will be precident. Even if the right thing to do is to say no to that owner, they will feel screwed because you took another owner's word in the past so why not take their word now?

So, my strong advice is to follow your league rules. It's not your fault. People have to be accountable for their actions. It's unfortunate that this happened but the responsibility falls on one owner. Every owner can point to a mistake during the season. Just this week I missed a roster deadline in a league I'm in and had to play without a PK. It was my own fault. Nobody else's. I played one short (still won though...!!YES!). Point is, it's each owner's responsibility to run their own team. Screw with that rule and you screw up your entire league and hurt the ability of the commissioner to lead in the future. Don't go down that road. And don't ask the opposing owner if he minds. That's a horrible position to put that owner in and it's not fair to him. You make the ruling.

 

[The Jerk]

I'm in the camp that believes the lineup should not be allowed to change. Like many have said, the lineups can be changed as early as Tuesday and they can be changed as often as you like if you change your mind. There really is no excuse as far as "technological glitches" go.

I also agree that getting the other owner(s) involved is unfair to them. Sometimes being the Commisioner is a tough job, as you need to be firm and fair with the rules. Some may think it is unfair to be "hard core" and not allow these changes. Personally, I think it's more unfair and sets a bad precedent to allow the changes.

As always, there can be extenuating circumstances in your league that allow a different solution. Good luck with that. One thing I would absolutely do is use this example as a reminder to other owners to get their lineups changed early and not to wait until the last minute, at least for the initial setting of players in a given week. You may also want to clearly state that granting the lineup change (if it happens) is a one-time exception to avoid the precedence for future similar occurrences.

 

[GregR_2]

I had an owner leave 3 players in her starting line up this week that where on byes(Bledsoe, McCardell and R. Moss). This owner has been playing in this league for 7 years and has never done this. She emailed me last night at 11PM and said she changed her line up about 11 AM Sunday morning but for some reason it did not save. She was gone the rest of the day. With her changes she would be tied going into tonight’s game and she would have 2 players and the other owners would have 1.

I asked her to email the league and explain what happen. I also asked her to email the owner she is playing and ask him if it is OK for me (the commish) to make the changes to her line up she tried to make.

How would you handle this?

Has this happened in your league before?

A comment on just this part. I wouldn't do that. This puts her opponent into an awkward spot of potentially having to look like the bad guy and say no to her. If I was going to seek his ok before making a decision, I would ask him privately. And if he said he didn't think it was fair I would keep that confidential to avoid putting him in that awkward spot. Of course if he was fine with it, then you can announce his input was part of your decision since he's not coming off poorly then.

 

[lod2005]

And how many days are there again between the Monday night game and the next week? My lineup is set on Wednesday and then I have the rest of the week to make a change.

The 'I'm too busy'excuse never flies either because it takes a whole 2 minutes to submit it. If one doesn't have 2 minutes of time in their life, one shouldn't be playing.

 

[bonscott]

Things do come up. I have never had a problem helping out an owner when they cannot get to their computer Sunday morning.My brother plays in my other league. He called my about 11 and said he had had a WR on a bye and would not be home in time to make the change. He asked me if I would make it for him. I would do this for all owners.

Can't get a computer Sunday morning is no excuse. Where was their lineup on Tuesday or Wednesday? For a competative $150 team league these guys aren't doing a very good job managing their teams. Most owners in my league get their first lineups in on Tuesday and then make adjustments later in the week as needed. This way if something crazy happens at least they have a decent lineup in with no bye week players and such. Waiting until Sunday morning to put in your first lineup is just plain crazy in my book.

 

[The Jerk]

Things do come up. I have never had a problem helping out an owner when they cannot get to their computer Sunday morning.My brother plays in my other league. He called my about 11 and said he had had a WR on a bye and would not be home in time to make the change. He asked me if I would make it for him. I would do this for all owners.

Can't get a computer Sunday morning is no excuse. Where was their lineup on Tuesday or Wednesday? For a competative $150 team league these guys aren't doing a very good job managing their teams. Most owners in my league get their first lineups in on Tuesday and then make adjustments later in the week as needed. This way if something crazy happens at least they have a decent lineup in with no bye week players and such. Waiting until Sunday morning to put in your first lineup is just plain crazy in my book.

But it's different to be contacted before any of the games are played (like your brother's call) versus getting an e-mail as the last game of Sunday is concluding. These two examples are significantly different. I don't understand why people wait until Sunday morning to apparently take their first look at their lineups. I know there's much more to life than FF, but it's going to take a few minutes to make your first (maybe only) lineup submission for the week, whether that is Wednesday, Friday or Sunday. If you have a player with questionable injury status, put him in or leave hiim out early in the week, but that leaves only one or two potential late week changes. You don't need to wait on the rest of your players because one is questionable.

 

[TommyGilmore]

I had an owner leave 3 players in her starting line up this week that where on byes(Bledsoe, McCardell and R. Moss). This owner has been playing in this league for 7 years and has never done this. She emailed me last night at 11PM and said she changed her line up about 11 AM Sunday morning but for some reason it did not save. She was gone the rest of the day. With her changes she would be tied going into tonight’s game and she would have 2 players and the other owners would have 1. I asked her to email the league and explain what happen. I also asked her to email the owner she is playing and ask him if it is OK for me (the commish) to make the changes to her line up she tried to make. How would you handle this? Has this happened in your league before?

I think you did the right thing -- have her email the league.Normally I'd say "tough luck" but when you've got a situation where this owner has never forgotten to fill out a lineup in 7 years........you should at least consider giving the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Wreckincrew]

Don't do it. The owner is responsible for submitting the lineup. He/she is responsible for making sure the lineup is saved. He/she had a week to get bye players out of the lineup.

as an owner and commish this is how I fell

Sorry to hear that, but falling down rarely solves anything.

It is Monday. Still recovering from my drinking from Friday night.

Just my feeble attempt to inject a ray of sunshine on a gloomy Monday morning.

 

[King for a Day]

I think you did the right thing -- have her email the league.Normally I'd say "tough luck" but when you've got a situation where this owner has never forgotten to fill out a lineup in 7 years........you should at least consider giving the benefit of the doubt.

I can't see how that matters? The deadline is the deadline. Where is the 'benefit of the doubt' written into anyone's rules? Again, this is not a grey area. This is simple owner responsibility. If you move the deadline for one owner then other owners have the right to expect it moved for them. I don't get your stance at all. Should there be a tier system for correcting mistakes? If you've been in the league for 7 years you get your mistake corrected but if you're only around for 2 years you don't get your mistake fixed?It's a can of worms that nobody should open. Only bad things can happen. Right now, it's a situation where one owner missed a deadline because of their own doing. It's one person, who is at fault, dealing with disappointment. Change the rule and you make her happy and the other owners angry. The only thing you could do, if you wanted to go to bat for this person....is to actually check the technical side of this issue to confirm that they had set their line up before the game. If you could prove, via cookies or some type of log within the system you're using that they had set their line up but something happened and it didn't take (ie...took too long loading due to ip and timed out) then you could go to ownership and prove that this line up was set before hand and blame a technical issue. Without that, you need to follow the rules. Only out for this person is to be able to prove they posted the line up and even there you're giving that person considerable slack. You'd have to provide the same slack to every owner in the future.

 

[Marc Levin]

I had an owner leave 3 players in her starting line up this week. This owner had been playing in this league for 7 years and has never done this. She emailed me last night at 11PM and said she changed her line up about 11 AM Sunday morning but for some reason it did not save. She was gone the rest of the day. With her changes she would be tied going into tonight’s game and she would have 2 players and the other owners would have 1. I asked her to email the league and explain what happen. I also asked her to email the owner she is playing and ask him if it is OK for me (the commish) to make the changes to her line up she tried to make. How would you handle this? Has this happened in your league before?

I know you're going to get a flurry of "she should have checked to make sure before logging off - too bad" posts. However, I think more has to be taken into consideration when playing in leagues with friends & family. I assume you don't think she's lying?

She did say in her email she should of double check. I do trust her and all the other owners. I am going to let them work it out.

That's how we do it when we have tech issues and obvious lineup screw ups (fanball - notorious for screwing up 5 minutes b4 gametime). We allow the other affected owner to chime in - if he has a strong objection, the commish makes a decision - usualy based on common sense. If there is no objection, the screw up is fixed retroactively.

 

[Marc Levin]

Example - one owner in our league, who actually WON on points - forgot to submit a 2nd RB.

That is an "illegal lineup" and should be an automatic forfeit. The commish left it up to the two owners to decide if the win would stand or if the game was forfeit and the owner who screwed up just got their points (points go into WC berths at the end of the year).

 

[Jagerbomber]

I think it would be setting a precedent. WHo's to stop people from making similar requests in the future? My advice is stick to the rules. Believe me, she'll be more careful with her lineup in the future.

 

[Legion of Doom]

I think it would be setting a precedent. WHo's to stop people from making similar requests in the future? My advice is stick to the rules. Believe me, she'll be more careful with her lineup in the future.

Yep The only other compromise(and I would still not do it) would be to start her 3 lowest scoring players at each position on a bye.

 

[Ramer]

This just happened to me yesterday. The owner left R. Moss in on his bye week. Called me and wanted me to change his lineup for him after the games had already started. I told him that i would not change it for him. Its his responsibilty to change his lineup each week. Stick by the rules of your league or it will come back to bite you in the ###. Just my .02

 

[redman]

Why did she wait 12 hours before telling anyone about her difficulty in resubmitting her lineup?

 

[Marc Levin]

Why did she wait 12 hours before telling anyone about her difficulty in resubmitting her lineup?

Reading comrehension down?Try the initial post again, then answer your own question.

 

[Wu-banger]

the players stay out... she missed the deadline to enter her lineup-- to excuses.

you can check the trans. log on CBS to see if she actually made any moves in the time period to see if she was active.

 

[redman]

Why did she wait 12 hours before telling anyone about her difficulty in resubmitting her lineup?

Reading comrehension down?Try the initial post again, then answer your own question.

My reading comprehension's just fine, thanks. I see that she tried to save it and then left for the day. Didn't she see right away that it failed to save? She either didn't confirm that it saved, or she failed to mention it. I'm just curious as to why this happened.

 

[Marc Levin]

Why did she wait 12 hours before telling anyone about her difficulty in resubmitting her lineup?

Reading comrehension down?Try the initial post again, then answer your own question.

My reading comprehension's just fine, thanks. I see that she tried to save it and then left for the day. Didn't she see right away that it failed to save? She either didn't confirm that it saved, or she failed to mention it. I'm just curious as to why this happened.

Obviously so is she and so is the commish:

She emailed me last night at 11PM and said she changed her line up about 11 AM Sunday morning but for some reason it did not save. She was gone the rest of the day.

And your reading comp IS down - she doesn't know what happened and has never failed to submit a lineup in 7 years.

 

[Oldtimer]

I agree with other posts - once you allow it for one owner, someone else will try to do the same thing. It may not be this year, but it could happen. Anyone who has been doing this for 7 years should know by now to submit your initial lineup mid-week and then only make last minute changes.