Common Dynasty Rookie Draft Dilemma- (1 Viewer)

[salmonstud]

In Dynasty leagues with typical performance scoring & starting roster formats......who do you take this year after the top 3 or 4 running backs are taken drafting from the take the Best Player Available approach?

Do you go with the TE phenom Vernon Davis, one of the big 3 QB's, or one of the top two WR prospects in S.Holmes & C.Jackson?

There are question marks around almost every player:

Cutler - Poor winning percentage in college.

Young - Side arm delivery - suspect football mind - will take time to adjust to pro style offense

Matt L - Poor arm strength.

S.Holmes - Polished but lacks elite measurables

C.Jackson - Great measurables, very raw

V.Davis - Short for a TE and recent top 10 pick TE busts to remind us like R.Dudley, K.Brady, etc.

I think this is going to be a hard choice for most people in the 4-6 pick range.

 

[Chumpson]

Thanks for reminding me. DOH! I have the 5 pick and am hoping that a 5th RB ends up in a good situation since I have Palmer, Big Ben and Campbell at QB, there really isn't another way for me to go.

 

[Bri]

This has been done over and over

I think most of us are waiting to see which team+opportunity the rookies get before rehashing this again.

 

[salmonstud]

Most people in dynasty draft QB's & WR's based on long-term potential since they usually don't contribute in year 1-2 unless their name is Marino, Randy Moss, or Boldin. So, regardless of the draft....I think this can still be a debated topic. I agree though...it has been done.

 

[TheFanatic]

This has been done over and over

I think most of us are waiting to see which team+opportunity the rookies get before rehashing this again.

This is a great topic but it's a little premature. If Driver and Walker leave GB, whatever rookie WR they pick could easily be the 4th pick. If a 4th RB goes to a great situation that could be the 4th pick. If Steve McNair and Volek both leave Tennessee as the latest rumor purports then the QB they draft will be a great option at 4. If we see a Marshall Faulk type trade to St. Louis and that team grabbing a RB then there might be 4 RB's in the mix. At this point it's a crap shoot....Please bump this post on Monday tho!?!?!

 

[Jene Bramel]

Seems like I end up in this position every season in at least one league after a trade or a sucktastic season.

I'm not afraid to "reach" here if I'm absolutely sold on a guy. It's much more likely that I'll take a little less value than I should by trading down or taking a veteran player in return.

I violated my rules last year, mostly because I couldn't get any value at all for the 4 pick in one league and 8 pick in another. I became the not-so-proud owner of JJ Arrington and Mike Williams in those leagues.

You won't know where you stand until after this weekend's draft though.

 

[UnknownCoach]

No rookie WR this year is worth a first round rookie pick IMO. You have 3 QBs, 1 TE, and probably 8 first day RBs.

 

[EBF]

Davis is by far the next best option.

 

[-OZ-]

I have the #5 in one league this year (also acquired the 1.02) and almost without question, my pick is Vernon Davis.

 

[beto]

No rookie WR this year is worth a first round rookie pick IMO. You have 3 QBs, 1 TE, and probably 8 first day RBs.

That is so arbitrary. What makes a particular player "worthy" of a 1st round rookie pick? Are you saying there is no WR from this class that will ever become a worthwhile fantasy player?

 

[-OZ-]

No rookie WR this year is worth a first round rookie pick IMO. You have 3 QBs, 1 TE, and probably 8 first day RBs.

That is so arbitrary. What makes a particular player "worthy" of a 1st round rookie pick? Are you saying there is no WR from this class that will ever become a worthwhile fantasy player?

I doubt that's what he's saying, but compare this group to 2004 or other years. None of these WRs would go in the first round most years.

 

[Slinger]

Cutler - Poor winning percentage in college.

This doesn't concern me the least bit because of his supporting cast, or lack of.

 

[a005511]

I do not think either of the top 3 WR's will be any better than a #2 in FF.

TE to me would be the best pick at #5 if Davis lives up to his press(as good as Gates). If you are willing to bide your time than QB would be a possible pick. But, in my leagues it is hard to hold on to future production as we have limited roster spots.

 

[beto]

No rookie WR this year is worth a first round rookie pick IMO. You have 3 QBs, 1 TE, and probably 8 first day RBs.

That is so arbitrary. What makes a particular player "worthy" of a 1st round rookie pick? Are you saying there is no WR from this class that will ever become a worthwhile fantasy player?

I doubt that's what he's saying, but compare this group to 2004 or other years. None of these WRs would go in the first round most years.

I don't agree. Here are some dubious 1st rounders from the last few drafts.2005

Troy Williamson, Mike Williams, Matt Jones, Roddy White

2004

Reggie Williams, Michael Jenkins, Rashaun Woods

2003

Bryant Johnson

As prospects, I would put Jackson and Holmes up against any of them.

I think the UnknownCoach's was talking more about fantasy 1st round draft, but my point remains that this year's WRs merit consideration in the 1st round of a 12 team rookie draft. Certainly before the RB7 and RB8 come off the board.

 

[salmonstud]

I'm a little surprised nobody is chirping in with a "You can't pass on Vince Young" statement.

 

[a005511]

I think the UnknownCoach's was talking more about fantasy 1st round draft, but my point remains that this year's WRs merit consideration in the 1st round of a 12 team rookie draft. Certainly before the RB7 and RB8 come off the board.

I agree.

 

[Keg]

i sit with 1.1 1.6 and 1.11 in a 16 team IDP draft

VDavis will most likely make it to 1.6 but with LJ Smith and Winslow I will most likely try to deal out of that spot

just cant wait for the draft so we can really sink our teeth into this more

sorry if anyone doesn't like my sig

 

[-OZ-]

No rookie WR this year is worth a first round rookie pick IMO. You have 3 QBs, 1 TE, and probably 8 first day RBs.

That is so arbitrary. What makes a particular player "worthy" of a 1st round rookie pick? Are you saying there is no WR from this class that will ever become a worthwhile fantasy player?

I doubt that's what he's saying, but compare this group to 2004 or other years. None of these WRs would go in the first round most years.

I don't agree. Here are some dubius 1st rounders from the last few drafts.2005

Troy Williamson, Mike Williams, Matt Jones, Roddy White

2004

Reggie Williams, Michael Jenkins, Rashaun Woods

2003

Bryant Johnson

As prospects, I would put Jackson and Holmes up against any of them.

I think the UnknownCoach's was talking more about fantasy 1st round draft, but my point remains that this year's WRs merit consideration in the 1st round of a 12 team rookie draft. Certainly before the RB7 and RB8 come off the board.

I'll take any of the 2005 1st round WRs well ahead of Holmes or Jackson.Serious question - WTF makes Matt Jones a "dubious pick"?

 

[beto]

I'll take any of the 2005 1st round WRs well ahead of Holmes or Jackson.

Serious question - WTF makes Matt Jones a "dubious pick"?

I would take Holmes and Jackson over Roddy White and Matt Jones. So I guess we just disagree there.I call Matt Jones a dubious pick since he was only considered a first rounder by a few teams because he was so raw as a WR. He had a very solid 1st year, but I still feel like the Jags reached on him.

My point is that even though this seasons class doesn't have a lot of depth at the top doesn't mean they should be discounted. Somebody even called them #2 type WRs. I don't buy that.

 

[BroadwayG]

In most dynasty leagues using FBG scoring, I fully expect RBs to be the first 6 off the board.

Personally, after the initial wave of RBs go, I have Davis as the next BPA, followed by the 3 QBs, the remainder of the day 1 RBs, then the WRs.

 

[nightshift]

In most dynasty leagues using FBG scoring, I fully expect RBs to be the first 6 off the board.

Personally, after the initial wave of RBs go, I have Davis as the next BPA, followed by the 3 QBs, the remainder of the day 1 RBs, then the WRs.

What is FBG scoring?

 

[UnknownCoach]

What I am saying is that this year's group of WRs is at its best end of 1st round NFL draft talent in a normal year. They might not even be that good. End of 1st round WRs normally go in the second round of a dynasty rookie draft for good reason. This year you have 3 early QBs and 1 TE. That's 4 picks who should all go ahead of any of this year's WRs. You have 4 first round quality RBs. That's 8 picks right there. There will be at least another 4 RBs going in the second and third round of this year's NFL draft. Most of which should be selected before an end of first round WR in a fantasy setting. One of those second tier RBs is likely to end up in Indianapolis and another in Atlanta. Denver and both NY teams could each grab one also. There are a lot of good situations for young RBs right now in the NFL.

If you look at a normal dynasty rookie draft, usually only WRs selected in the first half of round 1 in the NFL get picked in the first round of the fantasy draft. That's because there is a big quality gap for those WRs and those selected at the end of the first or top of the second. High quality WRs are always in demand in the NFL and get picked early in the NFL draft. This year there is no WR of that quality. A few might get picked earlier than they should solely due to lack of competition this year. That doesnt make them any better of a prospect though. You are picking Rhoddy White/Quincy Morgan/Rashaun Woods type of talent that is normally selected at the end of the first or early in the second in the NFL. Second tier rookie RBs are more valuable than that in a dynasty league which is why they usually get selected ahead of them.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

No rookie WR this year is worth a first round rookie pick IMO. You have 3 QBs, 1 TE, and probably 8 first day RBs.

That is so arbitrary. What makes a particular player "worthy" of a 1st round rookie pick? Are you saying there is no WR from this class that will ever become a worthwhile fantasy player?

I doubt that's what he's saying, but compare this group to 2004 or other years. None of these WRs would go in the first round most years.

I don't agree. Here are some dubius 1st rounders from the last few drafts.2005

Troy Williamson, Mike Williams, Matt Jones, Roddy White

2004

Reggie Williams, Michael Jenkins, Rashaun Woods

2003

Bryant Johnson

As prospects, I would put Jackson and Holmes up against any of them.

I think the UnknownCoach's was talking more about fantasy 1st round draft, but my point remains that this year's WRs merit consideration in the 1st round of a 12 team rookie draft. Certainly before the RB7 and RB8 come off the board.

I'll take any of the 2005 1st round WRs well ahead of Holmes or Jackson.Serious question - WTF makes Matt Jones a "dubious pick"?

I'd ask the same about Williamson. When he saw the field he was relatively productive, and there aren't many first year WRs that do much anyway.

 

[EBF]

Reggie Williams may be a bust, but he was a pretty well-regarded prospect. Almost everyone expected him to be a top 15 pick and an eventual #1 WR. He doesn't belong on that list.

 

[Mister CIA]

I encourage everyone with a 1.05 pick to pass on Vernon Davis.

Sincerely, 1.06

 

[ravnzfan]

Cutler - Poor winning percentage in college.

This doesn't concern me the least bit because of his supporting cast, or lack of.

exactly...if Cutler were to make it to StL, I'm sure the opinion would change---just a tad

 

[ravnzfan]

I have the #5 in one league this year (also acquired the 1.02) and almost without question, my pick is Vernon Davis.

Wow..I like VD but this guy is a TE..Your lookiing at possible #2 wr numbers at best. I think it better be real need for your team to take him at 1.5

have you seen SF's roster lately?Vernon Davis becomes SF's WR1 when drafted!

 

[cstu]

I'm a little surprised nobody is chirping in with a "You can't pass on Vince Young" statement.

Seriously, what if he's Jordan?

 

[cstu]

No rookie WR this year is worth a first round rookie pick IMO. You have 3 QBs, 1 TE, and probably 8 first day RBs.

That is so arbitrary. What makes a particular player "worthy" of a 1st round rookie pick? Are you saying there is no WR from this class that will ever become a worthwhile fantasy player?

I doubt that's what he's saying, but compare this group to 2004 or other years. None of these WRs would go in the first round most years.

I don't agree. Here are some dubius 1st rounders from the last few drafts.2005

Troy Williamson, Mike Williams, Matt Jones, Roddy White

2004

Reggie Williams, Michael Jenkins, Rashaun Woods

2003

Bryant Johnson

As prospects, I would put Jackson and Holmes up against any of them.

I think the UnknownCoach's was talking more about fantasy 1st round draft, but my point remains that this year's WRs merit consideration in the 1st round of a 12 team rookie draft. Certainly before the RB7 and RB8 come off the board.

I'll take any of the 2005 1st round WRs well ahead of Holmes or Jackson.Serious question - WTF makes Matt Jones a "dubious pick"?

Wow...I think Jackson and Holmes, Who I have seen quite a bit are just as talented if not more than any of last years wr draft. A big part will be where they land. I would love to see Jackson in Denver and Holmes in San diego or Miami...If Holmes or Jackson land in Philly could be trouble.

Edwards was shoulders above the rest of last year's WR class - an NFL ready #1 WR.Williamson is a lot like Chad Jackson and went higher than he should have since the Vikings wanted a fast WR to replace Moss. Mike Williams has talent, but he was rusty after a year off and not having a great work ethic. Mark Clayton and Holmes are similar, not sure who I'd choose between the two.

 

[King of the Jungle]

IMO, Santonio Holmes is underrated. I will not pass him up in the 5 spot.

 

[Mister CIA]

IMO, Santonio Holmes is underrated. I will not pass him up in the 5 spot.

Lions fan??

 

[oukurt]

Who is around at 1.11 ???

Harrison, Addai

 

[hooptd]

Who is around at 1.11 ???

Harrison, Addai

I don't know if Addai will be available at #11. Even if Indy doesn't draft him, I think he goes before that

 

[-OZ-]

I have the #5 in one league this year (also acquired the 1.02) and almost without question, my pick is Vernon Davis.

Wow..I like VD but this guy is a TE..Your lookiing at possible #2 wr numbers at best. I think it better be real need for your team to take him at 1.5

Do you feel that way about Gates and Shockey? Davis is more likely to produce along Shockey's level than the WRs in this class to put up top 15-20 WR stats.

 

[King of the Jungle]

IMO, Santonio Holmes is underrated. I will not pass him up in the 5 spot.

Lions fan??

....funny CIA. One last hurrah for the wr jokes.I am certainly not liking the idea of Detroit drafting him, but in this years weak wr group, I think he is being overlooked.

 

[Chumpson]

Also a lot of leagues have TEs and WRs in the same starting position. That would change VD's value quite a bit.