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Comparing the big three (1 Viewer)

timschochet

timschochet

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QB

1. Indy

2. New England

3. Pitt

Running Game

1. Indy

2. Pitt

3. New England

Offensive Line

1. New England

2. Pitt

3. Indy

WR

1. Indy

2. New England

3. Pitt

Defensive Line

1. New England

2. Pitt

3. Indy

Linebackers

1. Pitt

2. New England

3. Indy

Secondary

1. Pitt

2. Indy

3. New England

Special Teams

1. Pitt

2. New England

3. Indy

HC

1. New England

2. Indy

3. Pitt

Not only this year, but in the 21st century, these three teams have clearly dominated football:

New England: five years in the playoffs, 12-2, 3 Superbowl wins

Indy: four years in the playoffs, 7-3, 1 Superbowl win

Pitt: four years in the playoffs, 7-3, 1 Superbowl win

 
dallas needs to work up the ladder a little.

they knocked off miami, barely survived buffalo, now if you guys could maybe handle the jets or oakland we'll give you a crack at pitt's taxi squad.

 
Didn't the Steelers just lose to Arizona 2 weeks ago?

Besides they were not even considered one of the "big 3" two years ago when they were awarded the Lombardi Trophy

 
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Pitt is like New England and Indy's little brother that tags along everywhere they go because they look up to and respect them so much that they want to be just like them when they grow up and will start a fight with a group of other little kids knowing the big brothers got their back and will shout things like "yeah, we'll kick your butts, don't even mess with us. We're the NFL brothers..."

Something like that.

 
timschochet said:
Not only this year, but in the 21st century, these three teams have clearly dominated football:New England: five years in the playoffs, 12-2, 3 Superbowl winsIndy: four years in the playoffs, 7-3, 1 Superbowl winPitt: four years in the playoffs, 7-3, 1 Superbowl win
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I'm not sure where the years in playoff came from but Indy has made the playoff's every year since Dungy has been there. I thought I heard a TV announcer this weekend say they had the longest streak of consecutive playoff appearances.Now back to the Pitt vs Dallas discussion.
 
PatsFanCT said:
Pitt is like New England and Indy's little brother that tags along everywhere they go because they look up to and respect them so much that they want to be just like them when they grow up and will start a fight with a group of other little kids knowing the big brothers got their back and will shout things like "yeah, we'll kick your butts, don't even mess with us. We're the NFL brothers..."Something like that.
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As I recall, Pitt was the little brother that kicked big brother Indy's butt in the playoffs the last time those two teams played. NE was the big brother that lost to Indy the last time those two teams played...
 
ffball-novice said:
timschochet said:
Not only this year, but in the 21st century, these three teams have clearly dominated football:New England: five years in the playoffs, 12-2, 3 Superbowl winsIndy: four years in the playoffs, 7-3, 1 Superbowl winPitt: four years in the playoffs, 7-3, 1 Superbowl win
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I'm not sure where the years in playoff came from but Indy has made the playoff's every year since Dungy has been there. I thought I heard a TV announcer this weekend say they had the longest streak of consecutive playoff appearances.Now back to the Pitt vs Dallas discussion.
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Yeah, like a couple weeks ago when the Steelers were ridiculed because they only smoked bad teams like Buffalo.
 
I've inserted comments after your rankings...

QB

1. Indy

2. New England

3. Pitt

1A and 1B and 3 is far less talented.

Running Game

1. Indy

2. Pitt

3. New England

Pitt is #1 on philosophy alone. Plus, FWP is cool.

Offensive Line

1. New England

2. Pitt

3. Indy

I'd put Indy above Pitt here.

WR

1. Indy

2. New England

3. Pitt

OK; sure. I could give you the homer Moss, etc. speech but I won't.

Defensive Line

1. New England

2. Pitt

3. Indy

1A and 1B. 3 is far less talented without Booger.

Linebackers

1. Pitt

2. New England

3. Indy

1A, 1B and 3 is far less talented. I also think unbiased parties would say NE>Pitt but I won't argue.

Secondary

1. Pitt

2. Indy

3. New England

The worst of your rankings. It's NE>Indy>>Pitt. Corners are important too you know; it's not just a safety comparison.

Special Teams

1. Pitt

2. New England

3. Indy

AFAIK, Special teams coverage should also be included in special teams ranking. NE>Indy>>Pitt.

HC

1. New England

2. Indy

3. Pitt

Not only this year, but in the 21st century, these three teams have clearly dominated football:

New England: five years in the playoffs, 12-2, 3 Superbowl wins

Indy: four years in the playoffs, 7-3, 1 Superbowl win

Pitt: four years in the playoffs, 7-3, 1 Superbowl win

The next team between Indy and Pitt to get another ring, is allowed to claim shared dominance with the Patriots this decade, but that won't occur until Feb 2009 at the earliest...

:lmao:

 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
Secondary1. Pitt2. Indy3. New EnglandThe worst of your rankings. It's NE>Indy>>Pitt. Corners are important too you know; it's not just a safety comparison.
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Actually, Pittsburgh has allowed less yards per game passing, has allowed fewer catches on more attempts, for less yards per catch, for fewer touchdowns than New England or Indianapolis. Don't sleep on Pittsburgh's secondary. Watch this weeks game against Seattle. Hasselbeck had nobody to throw it to all game.EDIT: Wasn't sure they had Indy beaten as well, but apparently they do.
 
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PatsFanCT said:
Pitt is like New England and Indy's little brother that tags along everywhere they go because they look up to and respect them so much that they want to be just like them when they grow up and will start a fight with a group of other little kids knowing the big brothers got their back and will shout things like "yeah, we'll kick your butts, don't even mess with us. We're the NFL brothers..."Something like that.
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Nah. I doubt Pittsburgh wishes they had that cheating label like NE.
 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
I've inserted comments after your rankings...QB1. Indy2. New England3. Pitt1A and 1B and 3 is far less talented.Running Game1. Indy2. Pitt3. New EnglandPitt is #1 on philosophy alone. Plus, FWP is cool.Offensive Line1. New England2. Pitt3. IndyI'd put Indy above Pitt here.WR1. Indy2. New England3. PittOK; sure. I could give you the homer Moss, etc. speech but I won't. Defensive Line1. New England2. Pitt3. Indy1A and 1B. 3 is far less talented without Booger. Linebackers1. Pitt2. New England3. Indy1A, 1B and 3 is far less talented. I also think unbiased parties would say NE>Pitt but I won't argue.Secondary1. Pitt2. Indy3. New EnglandThe worst of your rankings. It's NE>Indy>>Pitt. Corners are important too you know; it's not just a safety comparison.Special Teams1. Pitt2. New England3. IndyAFAIK, Special teams coverage should also be included in special teams ranking. NE>Indy>>Pitt.HC1. New England2. Indy3. PittNot only this year, but in the 21st century, these three teams have clearly dominated football:New England: five years in the playoffs, 12-2, 3 Superbowl winsIndy: four years in the playoffs, 7-3, 1 Superbowl winPitt: four years in the playoffs, 7-3, 1 Superbowl winThe next team between Indy and Pitt to get another ring, is allowed to claim shared dominance with the Patriots this decade, but that won't occur until Feb 2009 at the earliest... :thumbdown:
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1. Admittedly I am a Steeler homer, but I believe that Big Ben has the potential to one day be on a level with Brady and Manning...2. Indy gets the nod on the running game because Manning keeps those safeties away. Did you see what Kenton Keith did on Sunday? Kenton Keith, for gosh sakes?3. This year, Ike Taylor has become as good a corner as anyone on New England or Indy. He is the best Steeler corner since Woodson.4. Of course the Patriots are number one, and I think they are the best team this year, too (damn them!) But you can't ignore both Indy and Pitt's dominance, as well. If New England is this decade's version of the 70's Steelers, then Pitt and Indy are this decade's version of the 70's Raiders and Cowboys- two teams who lost more than they won against the best team of that decade, but still are considered great in retrospect.
 
PatsFanCT said:
Pitt is like New England and Indy's little brother that tags along everywhere they go because they look up to and respect them so much that they want to be just like them when they grow up and will start a fight with a group of other little kids knowing the big brothers got their back and will shout things like "yeah, we'll kick your butts, don't even mess with us. We're the NFL brothers..."Something like that.
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And you're like that lilttle brother that never found the period key on his keyboard and just keeps typing and typing the longest sentences ever and gets distracted thinking about what kind of shampoo Tom Brady uses in the shower cause I bet it's some awesome shampoo, and he is so awesome that he doesn't need to use conditioner because his hair softens itself out of fear and then oh where was I oh yea, I was making perhaps the longest sentence in the history of the English language.
 
nobody needs stick up for the pats -- they do it all on the field.

as a matter of fact, I'm having that printed up as a bumper sticker -- 'pats do it on the field'

 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
Defensive Line1. New England2. Pitt3. Indy1A and 1B. 3 is far less talented without Booger.
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Indy's 3rd at the DL, but Ed Johnson has replaced Booger quite well (and Raheem Brock has improved a bunch from last season). If either Brock or Johnson gets hurt, THEN Indy's DL would be in trouble.
 
knowledge dropper said:
Didn't the Steelers just lose to Arizona 2 weeks ago?Besides they were not even considered one of the "big 3" two years ago when they were awarded the Lombardi Trophy
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exactly, they squeaked into the playoffs, caught a few breaks along the way in the playoffs and won a controversial SB vs. the better Seahawk team
 
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this thread will get attention (and posts) because it says BIG 3 and does not include Dallas

the thread should say "comparing the big 2 with my favorite team" :bag:

Pittsburgh is a good team, probably on par with Dallas but neither deserves to be in the same class as NE or IND yet

the game this weekend may change that, but for now I see NE as the best and Indy right behind with a few like Dallas and Pittsburgh who could pose a challenge to them along the way

 
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weevol said:
knowledge dropper said:
Didn't the Steelers just lose to Arizona 2 weeks ago?Besides they were not even considered one of the "big 3" two years ago when they were awarded the Lombardi Trophy
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exactly, they squeaked into the playoffs, caught a few breaks along the way in the playoffs and won a controversial SB vs. the better Seahawk team
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Is there a smillie for stinky bait that should be ignored by everyone?
 
I think Pittsburgh is on par with Indianapolis. The Steelers aren't getting nearly enough credit. This is the same team that went 15-1 in 2004 and won the Super Bowl in 2005. They're 2B, IMO.

Of course, the gap between 1 and 2 is pretty large. And the NWE secondary is better than both IND and PIT secondaries, and the NWE LBs are better than the PIT LBs. Outside of that, I agree with the rankings, although NE RBs are being seriously underrated (but I guess should still be 3).

 
Excuse me to allow some much needed perspective:

The big three are Dallas, Pittsburgh, and San Francisco (you should know why)

The teams playing the best through the first 5 games of 2007 are

Indy

NE

Dallas

Pitt

Indy won the last Super Bowl and are #1 until proven otherwise.

The number 2 team will be determined Sunday.

Pittsburgh and the loser of that game will be 3 and 4 respectively after this week.

The big three will continue to be Dallas, Pittsburgh, and San Francisco.

Carry on.

 
Letum said:
Excuse me to allow some much needed perspective:The big three are Dallas, Pittsburgh, and San Francisco (you should know why)The teams playing the best through the first 5 games of 2007 areIndyNEDallasPittIndy won the last Super Bowl and are #1 until proven otherwise.The number 2 team will be determined Sunday.Pittsburgh and the loser of that game will be 3 and 4 respectively after this week.The big three will continue to be Dallas, Pittsburgh, and San Francisco.Carry on.
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I think you are forgetting Green Bay, it should be the Big 4.
 
By the way, is it pretty much a given that the game in week 14 between the Steelers and Pats will be moved to Sunday night?

 
PatsFanCT said:
Pitt is like New England and Indy's little brother that tags along everywhere they go because they look up to and respect them so much that they want to be just like them when they grow up and will start a fight with a group of other little kids knowing the big brothers got their back and will shout things like "yeah, we'll kick your butts, don't even mess with us. We're the NFL brothers..."Something like that.
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thats the dumbest thing ive ever read...
 
If you are only talking this season then I think it is too early to name 1, 2 or 3.

NE clearly looks to be the best as they are dominating every team they've played but none of those teams are very good, at least so far they haven't been. Likewise with Indy -- they've been mostly impressive but their competition hasn't been all that tough. The Steelers shutout the Seahawks and Dallas pounded the Bears but how good are the Seahawks and Bears this season?

I don't think we'll know how good any of these teams are until they get some more games in and when they start playing each other.

 
CrossEyed said:
Letum said:
Excuse me to allow some much needed perspective:The big three are Dallas, Pittsburgh, and San Francisco (you should know why)The teams playing the best through the first 5 games of 2007 areIndyNEDallasPittIndy won the last Super Bowl and are #1 until proven otherwise.The number 2 team will be determined Sunday.Pittsburgh and the loser of that game will be 3 and 4 respectively after this week.The big three will continue to be Dallas, Pittsburgh, and San Francisco.Carry on.
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I think you are forgetting Green Bay, it should be the Big 4.
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Not sure what you're referencing here, if it's history and we want to include all of the pre-super bowl 14 teams or less championships then we need to include the Packers, the Bears, the Giants and the Redskins.If you're talking the 2007 Pack...well they are a nice team and a nice story - but without a running game they aren't going anywhere once the weather gets a little worse.
 
Chase, you're wearing me out with the silly homerism.

For those of you touting the Pokes- the needed an onside kick and 53 yard FG at the end of the game to beat the Buffalo Bills for gosh sakes.

For those of you touting the Steelers- it's tough to be among the elite when you lost to the Cardinals, an NFC team.

So, it really comes down to NE and Indy. Both are great. I'm a Colts :goodposting: but I can respect excellence on the field.

I'd just toss out that when people rank the Colts line 3rd, they have allowed 3 sacks. This is equal to NE's 3. Pitts line has given up 11 sacks!

It is too early and too small a sample size to really get a fair comparison, but to disregard real numbers when making comparisons, is foolish IMO.

 
pizzatyme said:
Chase, you're wearing me out with the silly homerism.For those of you touting the Pokes- the needed an onside kick and 53 yard FG at the end of the game to beat the Buffalo Bills for gosh sakes.For those of you touting the Steelers- it's tough to be among the elite when you lost to the Cardinals, an NFC team.So, it really comes down to NE and Indy. Both are great. I'm a Colts :thumbup: but I can respect excellence on the field.I'd just toss out that when people rank the Colts line 3rd, they have allowed 3 sacks. This is equal to NE's 3. Pitts line has given up 11 sacks!It is too early and too small a sample size to really get a fair comparison, but to disregard real numbers when making comparisons, is foolish IMO.
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:goodposting: in a few more weeks, let's see how many teams we still consider to be "BIG"
 
pizzatyme said:
Chase, you're wearing me out with the silly homerism.

For those of you touting the Pokes- the needed an onside kick and 53 yard FG at the end of the game to beat the Buffalo Bills for gosh sakes.

For those of you touting the Steelers- it's tough to be among the elite when you lost to the Cardinals, an NFC team.

So, it really comes down to NE and Indy. Both are great. I'm a Colts :goodposting: but I can respect excellence on the field.

I'd just toss out that when people rank the Colts line 3rd, they have allowed 3 sacks. This is equal to NE's 3. Pitts line has given up 11 sacks!

It is too early and too small a sample size to really get a fair comparison, but to disregard real numbers when making comparisons, is foolish IMO.
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And the Super Bowl winning Colts had ugly losses to a crappy Cowboy team and the Titans last season - what's your point?
 
So nobody else thinks that NE could seriously come back to earth this week vs Dallas???

I mean, I think NE is the best now too, but beating teams a combined 7-17 will make you look unstoppable. I think this weeks game is similar to the shootout Dallas had with NYG week 1, and I give Dallas a chance considering how good their passing offense could be. I also think Dallas exposes some weaknesses on their D. They have some ballhawks on D, but I don't think their D is as good as it was just a few years ago. I think NE wins, but I'd bet Dallas covers the 6 point spread.

And, IMO, the best 3 as of now are NE, Indy, and PIT. DAL > PIT is a joke. If Romo can't handle the pass rush of Buffalo, how's he gonna feel when he's got Farrior and Troy in his grill all game?

 
BigTex said:
knowledge dropper said:
Didn't the Steelers just lose to Arizona 2 weeks ago?Besides they were not even considered one of the "big 3" two years ago when they were awarded the Lombardi Trophy
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LOL, Arizona punched them in the mouth pretty hard.
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Not really. PIT really lost that game themselves with 11 penalties (I think 6 false starts and a taunting), deciding to rekick a punt and outkicking a tired coverage unit thus allowing a Breaston return TD, Oh, and losing pro bowlers Hampton and Polamalu for half the game, Ward the whole game, and also McFadden...Maybe that had something to do with it?....and how about a SEA shutout without Polamalu, Hampton, McFadden, Ward, and Holmes...Cedrick Wilson and Nate Washington as starting WR's, they really put a scare in a DB
 
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