*** Complain about the officials thread *** (1 Viewer)

[djkidd]

This game was a prime example of why I hate the two week break between the Conference championship games and the Super Bowl...Both teams were capable of playing much better then they did and probably would have played better had they not had the long layoff.

 

[The Jerk]

As I recall, The official did not say the replay was inconclusive, he said the play stands as called on the field.

Here is why.

Bens TD

I am a believer that the officiating didn't cos the Seahawks the game. Seattle had plenty of chances to overcome some questionable calls. They dominated the first half and only got 3 points. That is one of many reasons they lost.That being said, this photo proves nothing. Was it taken after he was down short of the goal line and pushed the ball past the line?

I don't want to take anything away from the Steelers. You are deserving of the World Champion title.

Seattle fans, Look to Tom Rouen, Jerramy Stevens, and Mike Holmgren to blame your loss on, not the refs.

The officiating as a whole does need to be looked at in the NFL.

Shredhead, I can agree that the picture is not infallible proof. In general, I'm not going to tell you that I KNOW it was a TD. I used the word unquestionably earlier, and that was probably wrong. But again, my point on this and most of the other close calls is that calling this a TD was not an unreasonable call.

 

[shredhead]

Shredhead, I can agree that the picture is not infallible proof. In general, I'm not going to tell you that I KNOW it was a TD. I used the word unquestionably earlier, and that was probably wrong. But again, my point on this and most of the other close calls is that calling this a TD was not an unreasonable call.

Agreed!

 

[The Jerk]

Shredhead, I can agree that the picture is not infallible proof. In general, I'm not going to tell you that I KNOW it was a TD. I used the word unquestionably earlier, and that was probably wrong. But again, my point on this and most of the other close calls is that calling this a TD was not an unreasonable call.

Agreed!

And I strongly agree with you that the NFL better look seriously at overhauling their officiating system, on all levels.1. The officials themselves. The referees at least should be full time.

2. The rulebook. Less rules that are open to interpretation like "making a football move".

3. Instant replay. This is a mess, but at the very least it doesn't make any sense why a team can run out of challenges even if they win every one they make.

Good discussion, Shredhead. Thanks!

 

[djkidd]

As I recall, The official did not say the replay was inconclusive, he said the play stands as called on the field.

Here is why.

Bens TD

That being said, this photo proves nothing. Was it taken after he was down short of the goal line and pushed the ball past the line?

That photo, in case you couldn't see it, show the ball over the plane of the goal line BEFORE he was pushed back.But I do agree with you in that Seattle held Pitt to no first downs the first three or four drives and only had three points to show for it. Pitt had an offensive pass interference call against them, but was able to overcome it on the 3rd and 28 play that the Seattle defense allowed them to get. Calls go for and against teams all of the time every game...it's just which teams can overcome them. Seattle's D couldn't hold Pitt when they needed to, and Seattle dropped to many passes and missed to many field goals and just missed to many opportunities.

 

[biglare66]

Even without the bad calls....

SEATTLE SUCKED!

 

[shredhead]

Shredhead, I can agree that the picture is not infallible proof. In general, I'm not going to tell you that I KNOW it was a TD. I used the word unquestionably earlier, and that was probably wrong. But again, my point on this and most of the other close calls is that calling this a TD was not an unreasonable call.

Agreed!

And I strongly agree with you that the NFL better look seriously at overhauling their officiating system, on all levels.1. The officials themselves. The referees at least should be full time.

2. The rulebook. Less rules that are open to interpretation like "making a football move".

3. Instant replay. This is a mess, but at the very least it doesn't make any sense why a team can run out of challenges even if they win every one they make.

Good discussion, Shredhead. Thanks!

Thanks to you too. I've got a couple of things to say about your comments.1. Full time officials would allow younger, healthier men to actually make a career out of officiating. The old guys can't seem to keep up with the game. I heard this being discussed on the radio earlier here in Colorado.

2. I agree that there are too many rules. You are never going to get away from the human aspect of rule interpratation though.

3. I have actually posted this before. If you have a timeout to burn in case you are wrong, then you should be able to challenge. Period. Or maybe a complete overhaul of the rule with a full time official in the booth deciding which plays should be reviewed.

 

[Hamstring]

As I recall, The official did not say the replay was inconclusive, he said the play stands as called on the field.

Here is why.

Bens TD

That being said, this photo proves nothing. Was it taken after he was down short of the goal line and pushed the ball past the line?

That photo, in case you couldn't see it, show the ball over the plane of the goal line BEFORE he was pushed back.But I do agree with you in that Seattle held Pitt to no first downs the first three or four drives and only had three points to show for it. Pitt had an offensive pass interference call against them, but was able to overcome it on the 3rd and 28 play that the Seattle defense allowed them to get. Calls go for and against teams all of the time every game...it's just which teams can overcome them. Seattle's D couldn't hold Pitt when they needed to, and Seattle dropped to many passes and missed to many field goals and just missed to many opportunities.

You cannot tell what a ball is and what an arm is in that pic. The fact is if the refs ae unsure you don't just give it to him.The problem with the Seattle penalties was that it took away results and points.

 

[Challenge Everything]

Worst Thread Ever!

I cannot believe some people have blabbed on for so long over nothing.

 

[CapnJB]

The whole Roethilisburger goal line thing really isn't a big deal to me. Even if he was short, I'm pretty sure Bettis could have put it in on 4th and inches.

What bothers me about the play is that if the ball did cross the plane, it did it mid play. The call should have been an immediate touchdown. However the linejudge ran out on the field pointing at the 1/2 yardline signaling the spot of the ball. But when he gets to Ben and sees where Ben has moved the ball across the line, he signals touchdown.

That's why I think that is a bad call.

 

[David Yudkin]

Even without the bad calls....

SEATTLE SUCKED!

Were the Steelers any better (other than the score)?

 

[The Jerk]

As I recall, The official did not say the replay was inconclusive, he said the play stands as called on the field.

Here is why.

Bens TD

That being said, this photo proves nothing. Was it taken after he was down short of the goal line and pushed the ball past the line?

That photo, in case you couldn't see it, show the ball over the plane of the goal line BEFORE he was pushed back.But I do agree with you in that Seattle held Pitt to no first downs the first three or four drives and only had three points to show for it. Pitt had an offensive pass interference call against them, but was able to overcome it on the 3rd and 28 play that the Seattle defense allowed them to get. Calls go for and against teams all of the time every game...it's just which teams can overcome them. Seattle's D couldn't hold Pitt when they needed to, and Seattle dropped to many passes and missed to many field goals and just missed to many opportunities.

You cannot tell what a ball is and what an arm is in that pic. The fact is if the refs ae unsure you don't just give it to him.The problem with the Seattle penalties was that it took away results and points.

How certain must the referee be that the ball crosses the line? Are you saying he should only signal touchdown if he is 100% sure? What if he is 60% sure it was a TD? Should not the TD be awarded if he is more certain that it is a TD than not a TD? OK, what about 51% sure? Surely the referees will be criticized if they rule in the direction in which they are 49%, or 40%, or 20% sure.In your other comment, you seem to be suggesting that referees should only call penalties on plays that are insignificant. So, if a play results in a long gain or a touchdown, the referee should not call anything. I would think that if one team gains an advantage on a play by performing an illegal action, it is more important than ever to call the penalty when the play is significant than when it is not.

I don't think the referees distinguished themselves in SB XL. Not at all. But officiating is the easiest target in the sporting world. And it's so much easier to blame the referees than to blame the performance of the players.

 

[Godsbrother]

Even without the bad calls....

SEATTLE SUCKED!

Were the Steelers any better (other than the score)?

The Steelers made 3 big plays when they had to and Seattle didn't. One or two big plays downfield for Seattle or a big run from Alexander and they very well could have won. The big plays were made by the Steelers and that was the difference in the game.

 

[Hamstring]

If it results in a td or takes away points I think the refs should be 100 percent sure. High standard, but that's what I expect.

I was not suggesting that you call penalties on plays that are insignificant but those plays don't have as big of an immediate impact.

They should tighten it up in the redzone much like players/coaches.

 

[David Yudkin]

IMO, the issue I had with the officiating was that it seemed that the refs only would flag Seattle on the most important plays of the entire game and essentially never on other plays. So instead of either being TDs or at the goal line, they would instead be looking at 3rd and forever on the cusp of a lengthy field goal (or would turn the ball over instead).

Similarly, it did seem like the refs were flagging Seattle more than Pittsburgh, although I did not ever look at the final penalty numbers.

I've always felt that if the refs looked closely enough there are at least 1 or 2 penalties that occur on any given play. And it just semeed like in this game they decided to call them at the wrong times for the Seahawks.

 

[PMENFAN]

From the begging the NFL semeed set on getting the steelers to the Bowl. I am a huge Bengals fan and you can say im biter but i made frequent posting after that game that the bengals got screwed. Everyone said it was nothing yet it happened week after week and finally on the biggest stage it came to a front. The truth is a lot of little call went the way of PITT everyone brings up DAJX td or the hold but there many litle things. An offside by PITT when the guy ran clearly in and I blive sacked hasslebeck. The timeout call when the clock clearly expied. Numerous bad spots. The seahawks also made some very bad chocies though. Not going for it on 4th and not using the best back in the league who was getting 5 a touch. Seattles pertedtion was A+ and they worked Pitt up and down the field but Stevens had a lot of drops. All in all Seattle was the best teamin the league this year but they couldn't overcome what the NFL had its eyes set on

The epitome of ignorance. If the NFL wanted Pitt in the bowl, how were they 7-5, outside looking in, with both San Diego and KC being the pick to get in? Week after week, getting help, and they get the 6 seed? Think of how idiotic that sounds. The Djax TD was a TD, but it was called back because of holding. Happens every week in the NFL. Don't want it to happen, don't hook a guy that beats you.

If the Defensive player reads your cadence, he'll have a jump. Since it happened 2x in a rox, I'm pretty sure he was onto something Hass was doing. Getting a jump isn't off sides. Moving into the neutral zone, before the ball moves, is.

The play clock doesn't expire at 0. At 0, you have 1 second. The TO was in time.

Seattle wasn't the best team in the league, Indi was. Seattle was at best the 4th or 5th best team in the league, as evidenced by the #6 seed from the AFC shutting their offense down.

 

[The Jerk]

If it results in a td or takes away points I think the refs should be 100 percent sure. High standard, but that's what I expect.

I was not suggesting that you call penalties on plays that are insignificant but those plays don't have as big of an immediate impact.

They should tighten it up in the redzone much like players/coaches.

You probably like the NHL in the playoffs, then, where you basically have to come close to a felony to get placed in the penalty box.Hey, your opinion is just as valid as mine, and I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who agree with you. I think differently on this one. I believe referees should pretty much call the game the same way every play.

Interesting.

 

[3C's]

Even without the bad calls....

SEATTLE SUCKED!

Were the Steelers any better (other than the score)?

No. But they did make the plays (2) necessary to win the game.

 

[The Jerk]

IMO, the issue I had with the officiating was that it seemed that the refs only would flag Seattle on the most important plays of the entire game and essentially never on other plays. So instead of either being TDs or at the goal line, they would instead be looking at 3rd and forever on the cusp of a lengthy field goal (or would turn the ball over instead).

Similarly, it did seem like the refs were flagging Seattle more than Pittsburgh, although I did not ever look at the final penalty numbers.

I've always felt that if the refs looked closely enough there are at least 1 or 2 penalties that occur on any given play. And it just semeed like in this game they decided to call them at the wrong times for the Seahawks.

So you're basically saying that when the holding call was made on Locklear, the referee KNEW it was going to be a big play for Seattle that put the ball at the 2. And he KNEW he had to make the call to make sure the Steelers had the better chance to win the game.

 

[David Yudkin]

IMO, the issue I had with the officiating was that it seemed that the refs only would flag Seattle on the most important plays of the entire game and essentially never on other plays.  So instead of either being TDs or at the goal line, they would instead be looking at 3rd and forever on the cusp of a lengthy field goal (or would turn the ball over instead).

Similarly, it did seem like the refs were flagging Seattle more than Pittsburgh, although I did not ever look at the final penalty numbers.

I've always felt that if the refs looked closely enough there are at least 1 or 2 penalties that occur on any given play.  And it just semeed like in this game they decided to call them at the wrong times for the Seahawks.

So you're basically saying that when the holding call was made on Locklear, the referee KNEW it was going to be a big play for Seattle that put the ball at the 2. And he KNEW he had to make the call to make sure the Steelers had the better chance to win the game.

I'm not saying that at all. But that's what made the officiating look suscpitious. If there were more penalties on uneventful plays, I doubt as many people would be complaining. If there were penalties on any play, so be it. But as I already said, the penalties that were called all appeared to be at the WORST possible moment for Seattle.

 

[Godsbrother]

If it results in a td or takes away points I think the refs should be 100 percent sure. High standard, but that's what I expect.

I was not suggesting that you call penalties on plays that are insignificant but those plays don't have as big of an immediate impact.

They should tighten it up in the redzone much like players/coaches.

In sports, officials make rule calls and judgement calls. When an official blows a rules call then you have every right to be upset. But this play was a judgment call. In the official's judgement, the ball broke the plane of the goal. End of story.Just like the Jeremy Stevens fumble that was called an incomplete pass. I didn't agree with it but that was the official's judgement. Sometimes you get a judgement call and sometimes you don't. When you don't you have to forget about it and move on.

Unfortunately for Seattle, Holmgren was so incensed by the TD call that he horribly mismanaged the clock at the end of the half.

 

[The Jerk]

Here is the difference between how the Steelers and Seahawks responded to a penalty in the redzone.

2-10-SEA22 (4:47) B.Roethlisberger pass to J.Bettis to SEA 17 for 5 yards (A.Dyson).

PENALTY on PIT-H.Miller, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at SEA 22 - No Play.

2-20-SEA32 (4:21) B.Roethlisberger sacked at SEA 40 for -8 yards (G.Wistrom).

3-28-SEA40 (3:58) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass to H.Ward to SEA 3 for 37 yards (M.Boulware).

If Ben doesn't complete the long pass across the field to Ward, the Steelers are punting here. Instead of 0 points, the Steelers ended up with 7 due to making the big play on third and very long.

1-10-PIT19 (12:35) M.Hasselbeck pass to J.Stevens to PIT 1 for 18 yards (C.Hope; T.Polamalu).

PENALTY on SEA-S.Locklear, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at PIT 19 - No Play.

1-20-PIT29 (12:08) M.Hasselbeck sacked at PIT 34 for -5 yards (C.Hampton).

2-25-PIT34 (11:34) S.Alexander left end to PIT 27 for 7 yards (J.Porter).

3-18-PIT27 (10:54) M.Hasselbeck pass intended for D.Jackson INTERCEPTED by I.Taylor at PIT 5. I.Taylor to PIT 29 for 24 yards (M.Hasselbeck).

Even if the Locklear penalty is the worst call in NFL history, Seattle is still in field goal range. Instead of 3 points, or a chance at 7 points if they convert on third and very long, the Seahawks got 0 points.

Edited to add: play by play from nfl.com

 

[Workhorse]

Here's the "holding" call in question:

Holding???

I'm sorry. I just don't see it.

 

[The Jerk]

IMO, the issue I had with the officiating was that it seemed that the refs only would flag Seattle on the most important plays of the entire game and essentially never on other plays.  So instead of either being TDs or at the goal line, they would instead be looking at 3rd and forever on the cusp of a lengthy field goal (or would turn the ball over instead).

Similarly, it did seem like the refs were flagging Seattle more than Pittsburgh, although I did not ever look at the final penalty numbers.

I've always felt that if the refs looked closely enough there are at least 1 or 2 penalties that occur on any given play.  And it just semeed like in this game they decided to call them at the wrong times for the Seahawks.

So you're basically saying that when the holding call was made on Locklear, the referee KNEW it was going to be a big play for Seattle that put the ball at the 2. And he KNEW he had to make the call to make sure the Steelers had the better chance to win the game.

I'm not saying that at all. But that's what made the officiating look suscpitious. If there were more penalties on uneventful plays, I doubt as many people would be complaining. If there were penalties on any play, so be it. But as I already said, the penalties that were called all appeared to be at the WORST possible moment for Seattle.

Thanks for clarifying. No doubt the penalties are harder to stomach because they were called on plays that had positive results for Seattle, but the increased significance of the penalties does not imply impropriety.

 

[The Jerk]

Here's the "holding" call in question:

Holding???

I'm sorry.  I just don't see it.

I have no problem with complaints on that call. I've seen worse holds not called. Here's an edited version of what I said last night.

In the many posts, four calls have been most consistently mentioned as questionable or worse:

1. D Jax PI

2. Ben TD

3. Locklear hold

4. Hasselbeck tackle

Thanks to this picture, Bens TD we can see #2 is arguably correct.

#4 is likely the proper application of an odd or even outright bad rule, as listed a few posts above. Even if it's not, it is counterbalanced by the missed block in the back on Roethlisberger during the Herndon interception return.

#1 involves a WR using his arms to push and/or hold off a defender to gain an advantage, and it occurs directly in front of and five yards away from an official. It's hard for the referee to ignore what happens directly in front of him.

So we're left with #3, in which an offensive lineman has his arm hooked on a defender. Not a conclusive call, but one that's been made before in the NFL.

You know what, I'll give you #3. So the Steelers won primarily because of a questionable holding call? Nothing to do with Seattle missing 2 FGs, dropping several balls, wasting time at the end of both halves. Nothing to do with the Steelers making 3 big plays on offense to offset their inability to sustain drives, including one where they overcame a penalty and the resultant 3rd and 28.

 

[golfguy]

I can't believe all this crying from the seahawks fans. get over it.

the ben rush was a touchdown, period, the ball crossed the plane that is all that has to happen. IMO the reason the ref hesitated was that ben essentially fumbled the ball and he made sure that he recovered the thing.

the darrell jackson play was a push off, quit complaining about it. it is what is it.

and the holding penalty is a joke to complain, I mean do you people actually watch football all season long? I don't know how many times all season if an OLB or a DE beat the tackle around the corner and was grabbed from behind to slow him was that called for holding. that is a normal holding call in that situation. You can't just grab someones shoulder pad from behind and hold him like that, even if it is just a second or two. (put this way, if he doesn't grab his pads then haggans in all likelihood gets to hasselback and disrupts that throw anyway so no completion to stevens.) and now i just watched that replay and if he can't see that he locklear has haggans arm hooked (get some glasses, sheez)

not to mention no one forced hasselback to make a horrible throw after that anyway.

people to blame on the loss:

mike holmgren (i'll throw 49 times, yet only give my NFL MVP 20 carries when he is running like 4.8 YPC. pathetic coaching.)

you beloved matt hasselback, face it, he made a few dearly mistakes and a lot of bad throws.

 

[Workhorse]

Here's the "holding" call in question:

Holding???

I'm sorry.  I just don't see it.

I have no problem with complaints on that call. I've seen worse holds not called. Here's an edited version of what I said last night.

In the many posts, four calls have been most consistently mentioned as questionable or worse:

1. D Jax PI

2. Ben TD

3. Locklear hold

4. Hasselbeck tackle

Thanks to this picture, Bens TD we can see #2 is arguably correct.

#4 is likely the proper application of an odd or even outright bad rule, as listed a few posts above. Even if it's not, it is counterbalanced by the missed block in the back on Roethlisberger during the Herndon interception return.

#1 involves a WR using his arms to push and/or hold off a defender to gain an advantage, and it occurs directly in front of and five yards away from an official. But you, of course, think the referee should just ignore what he sees.

So we're left with #3, in which an offensive lineman has his arm hooked on a defender. And again, you will tell all of us that you have never, ever seen that called holding in an NFL game.

You know what, I'll give you #3. So the Steelers won primarily because of a questionable holding call? Nothing to do with Seattle missing 2 FGs, dropping several balls, wasting time at the end of both halves. Nothing to do with the Steelers making 3 big plays on offense to offset their inability to sustain drives, including one where they overcame a penalty and the resultant 3rd and 28.

Fair enough.

 

[ToothLOZ]

This absolutely without a doubt was the worst SB I've seen that I can remember.... The Steelers, who, with all pun intended, STOLE the fuggin thing, period. They didn't deserve to be there in the first place, their last 3 games were questionable at best, they certainly didn't earn their way to the big dance. And with that said, they certai1nly didn't deserve to hail ANY trophy. What a complete mockery of the game!

Officiating? OMFG!!!!!!!! If the calls THAT CLEARLY altered the game weren't SO BLATANT, I'd have a different opinion. But FACT, they were bogus calls that should have never, EVER been called in a Superbowl! Push off? What, are you kidding me? Holding? Again, are you freakin kidding me?!?!? That's 14 points with 2 calls there you Steeler thieves, YOU LOSE!

Jerome Bettis? What a freakin waste of FAT! I'm SO GLAD he's done and gone.... keep yer fat ### in Disneyworld.... Golden Ears! They all belong in Disneyworld because this was an absolute joke!

And for you guys that don't think the refs had anything to do with the outcome of this game, put another rock in your pipe and get a freakin clue!

And for the record, I won on this game, I knew what was going to happen, simply by the 3 games leading up to SBXL.... There was no other outcome possible from the middle of January....

Think what you want, but take a look at the facts and the plays that made this game...

See ya all in the fall!

Tooth.................

 

[ToothLOZ]

This absolutely without a doubt was the worst SB I've seen that I can remember.... The Steelers, who, with all pun intended, STOLE the fuggin thing, period. They didn't deserve to be there in the first place, their last 3 games were questionable at best, they certainly didn't earn their way to the big dance. And with that said, they certai1nly didn't deserve to hail ANY trophy. What a complete mockery of the game!

Officiating? OMFG!!!!!!!! If the calls THAT CLEARLY altered the game weren't SO BLATANT, I'd have a different opinion. But FACT, they were bogus calls that should have never, EVER been called in a Superbowl! Push off? What, are you kidding me? Holding? Again, are you freakin kidding me?!?!? That's 14 points with 2 calls there you Steeler thieves, YOU LOSE!

Jerome Bettis? What a freakin waste of FAT! I'm SO GLAD he's done and gone.... keep yer fat ### in Disneyworld.... Golden Ears! They all belong in Disneyworld because this was an absolute joke!

And for you guys that don't think the refs had anything to do with the outcome of this game, put another rock in your pipe and get a freakin clue!

And for the record, I won on this game, I knew what was going to happen, simply by the 3 games leading up to SBXL.... There was no other outcome possible from the middle of January....

Think what you want, but take a look at the facts and the plays that made this game...

See ya all in the fall!

Tooth.................

 

[3C's]

I can't believe all this crying from the seahawks fans. get over it.

As has been said many times, it's not the Saehawks fans complaining. At least not here. The Hawk fans here have been quite classy, esp Seabass and Shick!

 

[ToothLOZ]

This absolutely without a doubt was the worst SB I've seen that I can remember.... The Steelers, who, with all pun intended, STOLE the fuggin thing, period. They didn't deserve to be there in the first place, their last 3 games were questionable at best, they certainly didn't earn their way to the big dance. And with that said, they certai1nly didn't deserve to hail ANY trophy. What a complete mockery of the game!

Officiating? OMFG!!!!!!!! If the calls THAT CLEARLY altered the game weren't SO BLATANT, I'd have a different opinion. But FACT, they were bogus calls that should have never, EVER been called in a Superbowl! Push off? What, are you kidding me? Holding? Again, are you freakin kidding me?!?!? That's 14 points with 2 calls there you Steeler thieves, YOU LOSE!

Jerome Bettis? What a freakin waste of FAT! I'm SO GLAD he's done and gone.... keep yer fat ### in Disneyworld.... Golden Ears! They all belong in Disneyworld because this was an absolute joke!

And for you guys that don't think the refs had anything to do with the outcome of this game, put another rock in your pipe and get a freakin clue!

And for the record, I won on this game, I knew what was going to happen, simply by the 3 games leading up to SBXL.... There was no other outcome possible from the middle of January....

Think what you want, but take a look at the facts and the plays that made this game...

See ya all in the fall!

Tooth.................

 

[fred_1_15301]

This absolutely without a doubt was the worst SB I've seen that I can remember.... The Steelers, who, with all pun intended, STOLE the fuggin thing, period. They didn't deserve to be there in the first place, their last 3 games were questionable at best, they certainly didn't earn their way to the big dance. And with that said, they certai1nly didn't deserve to hail ANY trophy. What a complete mockery of the game!

Officiating? OMFG!!!!!!!! If the calls THAT CLEARLY altered the game weren't SO BLATANT, I'd have a different opinion. But FACT, they were bogus calls that should have never, EVER been called in a Superbowl! Push off? What, are you kidding me? Holding? Again, are you freakin kidding me?!?!? That's 14 points with 2 calls there you Steeler thieves, YOU LOSE!

Jerome Bettis? What a freakin waste of FAT! I'm SO GLAD he's done and gone.... keep yer fat ### in Disneyworld.... Golden Ears! They all belong in Disneyworld because this was an absolute joke!

And for you guys that don't think the refs had anything to do with the outcome of this game, put another rock in your pipe and get a freakin clue!

And for the record, I won on this game, I knew what was going to happen, simply by the 3 games leading up to SBXL.... There was no other outcome possible from the middle of January....

Think what you want, but take a look at the facts and the plays that made this game...

See ya all in the fall!

Tooth.................

Is the goal of capitalizing certain words to hide your ignorance? The only "facts" I gained from your post is that you're clueless about football and probably life

 

[Godsbrother]

I can't believe all this crying from the seahawks fans.  get over it.

As has been said many times, it's not the Saehawks fans complaining. At least not here. The Hawk fans here have been quite classy, esp Seabass and Shick!

Well Holmgren sure was crying about it yesterday...

 

[Stillers Jr.]

This absolutely without a doubt was the worst SB I've seen that I can remember.... The Steelers, who, with all pun intended, STOLE the fuggin thing, period. They didn't deserve to be there in the first place, their last 3 games were questionable at best, they certainly didn't earn their way to the big dance. And with that said, they certai1nly didn't deserve to hail ANY trophy. What a complete mockery of the game!

Officiating? OMFG!!!!!!!! If the calls THAT CLEARLY altered the game weren't SO BLATANT, I'd have a different opinion. But FACT, they were bogus calls that should have never, EVER been called in a Superbowl! Push off? What, are you kidding me? Holding? Again, are you freakin kidding me?!?!? That's 14 points with 2 calls there you Steeler thieves, YOU LOSE!

Jerome Bettis? What a freakin waste of FAT! I'm SO GLAD he's done and gone.... keep yer fat ### in Disneyworld.... Golden Ears! They all belong in Disneyworld because this was an absolute joke!

And for you guys that don't think the refs had anything to do with the outcome of this game, put another rock in your pipe and get a freakin clue!

And for the record, I won on this game, I knew what was going to happen, simply by the 3 games leading up to SBXL.... There was no other outcome possible from the middle of January....

Think what you want, but take a look at the facts and the plays that made this game...

See ya all in the fall!

Tooth.................

You need help desperately...you also need guidance on how not to TRIPLE POST.See you in the fall.

 

[Stillers Jr.]

I can't believe all this crying from the seahawks fans. get over it.

As has been said many times, it's not the Saehawks fans complaining. At least not here. The Hawk fans here have been quite classy, esp Seabass and Shick!

Well Holmgren sure was crying about it yesterday...

WAAAA...WAAAA!!

LOL@!!

 

[fred_1_15301]

I can't believe all this crying from the seahawks fans.  get over it.

As has been said many times, it's not the Saehawks fans complaining. At least not here. The Hawk fans here have been quite classy, esp Seabass and Shick!

Well Holmgren sure was crying about it yesterday...

Holmgren was just doing that for the fans. I see nothing wrong with it and would be surprised (and disappointed) if Cowher didn't do the same after the Steelers lost.

 

[Godsbrother]

They didn't deserve to be there in the first place, their last 3 games were questionable at best, they certainly didn't earn their way to the big dance.

I stopped reading right here.

 

[3C's]

blah blah blah blah

You've already proven yourself previoulsy to be a Steeler hater. You're opinion is biased and as in the past a waste of space. Twice even.

 

[3C's]

I can't believe all this crying from the seahawks fans. get over it.

As has been said many times, it's not the Saehawks fans complaining. At least not here. The Hawk fans here have been quite classy, esp Seabass and Shick!

Well Holmgren sure was crying about it yesterday...

I know. I can't believe he'd stoop that low.

 

[3C's]

I can't believe all this crying from the seahawks fans. get over it.

As has been said many times, it's not the Saehawks fans complaining. At least not here. The Hawk fans here have been quite classy, esp Seabass and Shick!

Well Holmgren sure was crying about it yesterday...

Holmgren was just doing that for the fans. I see nothing wrong with it and would be surprised (and disappointed) if Cowher didn't do the same after the Steelers lost.

He should have been a little more diplomatic about it. If I were him, and felt that the officials blew some calls, I'd be upset too. But I think I'd say something like "the officiating wasn't Super Bowl caliber" instead "I didn't realize we'd have to beat the refs too" or whatever it was he said.

 

[DropKick]

Worst Thread Ever!

I cannot believe some people have blabbed on for so long over nothing.

Nothing? Are you a Steeler homer? That game was incredibly influenced by the referees. Most people here are neither Seahawk or Steeler fans but were truly impartial. Personally, I feel that the opportunity to see a great game was taken away. Instead, the game will go down as one of the worst ever.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Worst Thread Ever!

I cannot believe some people have blabbed on for so long over nothing.

Nothing? Are you a Steeler homer? That game was incredibly influenced by the referees. Most people here are neither Seahawk or Steeler fans but were truly impartial. Personally, I feel that the opportunity to see a great game was taken away. Instead, the game will go down as one of the worst ever.

OK I'll buy this and agree that the officials influenced the game. What I won't buy is people insinuating that the Seahawks would have unquestionably won that game if not for the officiating. We don't know what would have happened. Both teams played poorly and even if the officials had no influence on that game, it would have come down to the wire. People seem to be forgetting that the Seattle made a lot of mistakes in that game as well.

 

[DropKick]

Even without the bad calls....

SEATTLE SUCKED!

Were the Steelers any better (other than the score)?

The Steelers made 3 big plays when they had to and Seattle didn't. One or two big plays downfield for Seattle or a big run from Alexander and they very well could have won. The big plays were made by the Steelers and that was the difference in the game.

Everytime the Seahawks made a big play a flag came down. Doesn't help when replay doesn't confirm the call either. Officiating... that was the difference in this game.

Incidentally, even the Steelers last TD was set up by great field position from Hasselback's tackle that somehow was a penalty. Great play-off run by the Steelers but, to me, this Superbowl will always have a huge asterisk.

 

[Godsbrother]

Even without the bad calls....

SEATTLE SUCKED!

Were the Steelers any better (other than the score)?

The Steelers made 3 big plays when they had to and Seattle didn't. One or two big plays downfield for Seattle or a big run from Alexander and they very well could have won. The big plays were made by the Steelers and that was the difference in the game.

Everytime the Seahawks made a big play a flag came down. Doesn't help when replay doesn't confirm the call either. Officiating... that was the difference in this game.

Incidentally, even the Steelers last TD was set up by great field position from Hasselback's tackle that somehow was a penalty. Great play-off run by the Steelers but, to me, this Superbowl will always have a huge asterisk.

Asterisks are for wimps.

 

[Koya]

It's too bad that people will always wonder if the Steelers really deserved this.  They'll always have that ring, but sadly might not get the usual respect. 

Just a terrible job by the refs.

Respect is overrated. I'll take the championship.

You should - it will last forever. But it is unfortunate that people will always question how worthy, if worthy, this Steeler team was. Unfortunate that even in their moment of gloating and pride, there must be (real) question marks.

 

[ToothLOZ]

This absolutely without a doubt was the worst SB I've seen that I can remember.... The Steelers, who, with all pun intended, STOLE the fuggin thing, period. They didn't deserve to be there in the first place, their last 3 games were questionable at best, they certainly didn't earn their way to the big dance. And with that said, they certai1nly didn't deserve to hail ANY trophy. What a complete mockery of the game!

Officiating? OMFG!!!!!!!! If the calls THAT CLEARLY altered the game weren't SO BLATANT, I'd have a different opinion. But FACT, they were bogus calls that should have never, EVER been called in a Superbowl! Push off? What, are you kidding me? Holding? Again, are you freakin kidding me?!?!? That's 14 points with 2 calls there you Steeler thieves, YOU LOSE!

Jerome Bettis? What a freakin waste of FAT! I'm SO GLAD he's done and gone.... keep yer fat ### in Disneyworld.... Golden Ears! They all belong in Disneyworld because this was an absolute joke!

And for you guys that don't think the refs had anything to do with the outcome of this game, put another rock in your pipe and get a freakin clue!

And for the record, I won on this game, I knew what was going to happen, simply by the 3 games leading up to SBXL.... There was no other outcome possible from the middle of January....

Think what you want, but take a look at the facts and the plays that made this game...

See ya all in the fall!

Tooth.................

 

[Godsbrother]

It's too bad that people will always wonder if the Steelers really deserved this.  They'll always have that ring, but sadly might not get the usual respect. 

Just a terrible job by the refs.

Respect is overrated. I'll take the championship.

You should - it will last forever. But it is unfortunate that people will always question how worthy, if worthy, this Steeler team was. Unfortunate that even in their moment of gloating and pride, there must be (real) question marks.

The Steelers beat the #1, #2 and #3 seeds from the AFC and the #1 seed in the NFC, all away from home. The Steelers overcame many bad calls, especially against Indy and still won the games they needed to. There are no question marks for me.Even with the "bad" calls, Seattle had ample opportunities to win the game. They enjoyed great field position the entire 1st half, missed 2 FGs, continually punted in the endzone, dropped balls, had horrible clock management, gave up a 3rd and 28, a 75 yard TD run, and bit huge on gadget play that went for a TD.

 

[Franknbeans]

It's too bad that people will always wonder if the Steelers really deserved this.  They'll always have that ring, but sadly might not get the usual respect. 

Just a terrible job by the refs.

Respect is overrated. I'll take the championship.

You should - it will last forever. But it is unfortunate that people will always question how worthy, if worthy, this Steeler team was. Unfortunate that even in their moment of gloating and pride, there must be (real) question marks.

Which is really sad considering the path they took to even get to the Super Bowl. True fans will not forget. Also, why is it that the Steelers overcame the bad calls just a few short weeks ago but the Seahawks couldn't?

 

[ToothLOZ]

This absolutely without a doubt was the worst SB I've seen that I can remember.... The Steelers, who, with all pun intended, STOLE the fuggin thing, period. They didn't deserve to be there in the first place, their last 3 games were questionable at best, they certainly didn't earn their way to the big dance. And with that said, they certai1nly didn't deserve to hail ANY trophy. What a complete mockery of the game!

Officiating? OMFG!!!!!!!! If the calls THAT CLEARLY altered the game weren't SO BLATANT, I'd have a different opinion. But FACT, they were bogus calls that should have never, EVER been called in a Superbowl! Push off? What, are you kidding me? Holding? Again, are you freakin kidding me?!?!? That's 14 points with 2 calls there you Steeler thieves, YOU LOSE!

Jerome Bettis? What a freakin waste of FAT! I'm SO GLAD he's done and gone.... keep yer fat ### in Disneyworld.... Golden Ears! They all belong in Disneyworld because this was an absolute joke!

And for you guys that don't think the refs had anything to do with the outcome of this game, put another rock in your pipe and get a freakin clue!

And for the record, I won on this game, I knew what was going to happen, simply by the 3 games leading up to SBXL.... There was no other outcome possible from the middle of January....

Think what you want, but take a look at the facts and the plays that made this game...

See ya all in the fall!

Tooth.................

 

[ToothLOZ]

This absolutely without a doubt was the worst SB I've seen that I can remember.... The Steelers, who, with all pun intended, STOLE the fuggin thing, period. They didn't deserve to be there in the first place, their last 3 games were questionable at best, they certainly didn't earn their way to the big dance. And with that said, they certai1nly didn't deserve to hail ANY trophy. What a complete mockery of the game!

Officiating? OMFG!!!!!!!! If the calls THAT CLEARLY altered the game weren't SO BLATANT, I'd have a different opinion. But FACT, they were bogus calls that should have never, EVER been called in a Superbowl! Push off? What, are you kidding me? Holding? Again, are you freakin kidding me?!?!? That's 14 points with 2 calls there you Steeler thieves, YOU LOSE!

Jerome Bettis? What a freakin waste of FAT! I'm SO GLAD he's done and gone.... keep yer fat ### in Disneyworld.... Golden Ears! They all belong in Disneyworld because this was an absolute joke!

And for you guys that don't think the refs had anything to do with the outcome of this game, put another rock in your pipe and get a freakin clue!

And for the record, I won on this game, I knew what was going to happen, simply by the 3 games leading up to SBXL.... There was no other outcome possible from the middle of January....

Think what you want, but take a look at the facts and the plays that made this game...

See ya all in the fall!

Tooth.................