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Concerns about Matt Leinert (1 Viewer)

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I probably put too much emphasis on character, but I think it is a very big factor in determining success. Matt Leinert's extended holdout is not a huge concern in of itself. He was not expected to play this year and although missing camp is never a good thing, it will not be the reason if he is not the starter next season.

What concerns me is his growing sense of entitlement. Leinert's ego started to increase after his junior year and has continued growing through this offseason and contract negotiation. He has also thrown several former teammates under the bus this offseason.

These are not good signs to me. He obviously puts himself on a pedistal and seems to view individual accomplishments more valuable than team accomplishments. He has no interest in helping the Cardinals this year or else he would never have taken the ridiculous stance in contract negotiating that he has.

Looking over recent history, he and Ryan Leaf seem to have similar backgrounds. Ironically, they each lost there last game to the eventual national champion and finished third in the Heismann voting their final college season. But even past that, they seem to have similar personalities. Leinert faced little adversity at USC. Will his ego be able to take adversity on the NFL level? Will he learn to be a good teammate? Why did Norm Chow and Tennessee pass on him? Is he the next Ryan Leaf, Cade McNown, Tim Couch?

Again, I could be over-emphasizing things, but I am becoming more and more skeptical of his dynasty potential given the growing character issues.

 
I probably put too much emphasis on character, but I think it is a very big factor in determining success. Matt Leinert's extended holdout is not a huge concern in of itself. He was not expected to play this year and although missing camp is never a good thing, it will not be the reason if he is not the starter next season.What concerns me is his growing sense of entitlement. Leinert's ego started to increase after his junior year and has continued growing through this offseason and contract negotiation. He has also thrown several former teammates under the bus this offseason.These are not good signs to me. He obviously puts himself on a pedistal and seems to view individual accomplishments more valuable than team accomplishments. He has no interest in helping the Cardinals this year or else he would never have taken the ridiculous stance in contract negotiating that he has.Looking over recent history, he and Ryan Leaf seem to have similar backgrounds. Ironically, they each lost there last game to the eventual national champion and finished third in the Heismann voting their final college season. But even past that, they seem to have similar personalities. Leinert faced little adversity at USC. Will his ego be able to take adversity on the NFL level? Will he learn to be a good teammate? Why did Norm Chow and Tennessee pass on him? Is he the next Ryan Leaf, Cade McNown, Tim Couch?Again, I could be over-emphasizing things, but I am becoming more and more skeptical of his dynasty potential given the growing character issues.
You do realize that his agent has to deal with the Bidwells. His agent is just trying to get his client his money. Check out the long list of rookie holdouts in previous yrs for the Cardinals.
 
Couch played for a terrible team, and his arm was screwed up for a long time before anyone admitted it.

i can't say much about the other players you mentioned.

i am a bit concerned Leinert is not in camp yet, but i doubt it has any effect long term on his career.

 
You do realize that his agent has to deal with the Bidwells. His agent is just trying to get his client his money. Check out the long list of rookie holdouts in previous yrs for the Cardinals.
:goodposting: God knows what's happening in that situation, but the Bidwell connection as you said is worth mentioning, as is the fact that Leinart's representation is not one of those outfits known for hijacking teams during negotiations, e.g. Postons or Rosey. :shrug:
 
Couch played for a terrible team, and his arm was screwed up for a long time before anyone admitted it.i can't say much about the other players you mentioned.i am a bit concerned Leinert is not in camp yet, but i doubt it has any effect long term on his career.
I still believe in Tim Couch.That is, if his arm has been repaired. Did he ever get it fixed? Or was the shoulder damage irrepairable?sorry for :ninja:
 
Couch played for a terrible team, and his arm was screwed up for a long time before anyone admitted it.i can't say much about the other players you mentioned.i am a bit concerned Leinert is not in camp yet, but i doubt it has any effect long term on his career.
I still believe in Tim Couch.That is, if his arm has been repaired. Did he ever get it fixed? Or was the shoulder damage irrepairable?sorry for :ninja:
i think he's been out of the game too long to ever come back.it wasn't just his shoulder, he had some pretty serious elbow issues, too.also, i personally don't think he ever figured out how to go through his progressions either.other than that, sure, he's pretty awesome. ;)
 
Couch played for a terrible team, and his arm was screwed up for a long time before anyone admitted it.i can't say much about the other players you mentioned.i am a bit concerned Leinert is not in camp yet, but i doubt it has any effect long term on his career.
I still believe in Tim Couch.That is, if his arm has been repaired. Did he ever get it fixed? Or was the shoulder damage irrepairable?sorry for :ninja:
i think he's been out of the game too long to ever come back.it wasn't just his shoulder, he had some pretty serious elbow issues, too.also, i personally don't think he ever figured out how to go through his progressions either.other than that, sure, he's pretty awesome. ;)
I'm not saying you're wrong, but then I'm also wondering which young QB coached by Chris Palmer ever got through his progressions.
 
You do realize that his agent has to deal with the Bidwells. His agent is just trying to get his client his money. Check out the long list of rookie holdouts in previous yrs for the Cardinals.
:goodposting: God knows what's happening in that situation, but the Bidwell connection as you said is worth mentioning, as is the fact that Leinart's representation is not one of those outfits known for hijacking teams during negotiations, e.g. Postons or Rosey. :shrug:
I'd buy this Bidwell thing if they hadn't got a new stadium and hadn't stepped up to the plate to get Edge.This is all about Leinart. He thinks he should have been the #1 player and he wants a lot of $$$$. His agent is trying to sell that Cutler's deal was bad, and it should not be considered and that Sims' deal was awful and shouldn't be considered. For the #10 player, he is trying to break the bank.
 
I expect players to honor their contracts once they sign them. Until they sign them they are just doing what any of the rest of us would do and try to get all we can. Good for him. Hold out for what you think is fair, but honor the contract once you sign it.

I thought Leinart would have signed for a reasonable salary IF ARZ was willing to go with a shorter deal. ARZ is just as greedy demanding Leinart play for six full season with a rookie contract. If you're not sold he'll be worth all that $ fine, shorten the contract and make him earn the second contract. Don't cry that he wants a ton of $ if you want to lock him up long term.

 
leinart mentioned that he is in a good situation not having to play right away and being able to learn behind an experienced QB like warner... sounds like he is saying the right things and being a good teammate...

leinart may not play a big role this year... maybe not next, depending on how well warner plays & his state of health... but nearly everybody views leinart as QB of the future... anyway, it sounds like they may have a framework that broke the impasse, & it may just be few more days of working out details... if that is the case, 2-3 years from now it won't matter much if he reports a few days late...

as far as this year, though it isn't ideal for a rookie QB to be missing time (especially one that could be pressed in to action at any time due to brittle warner), he was almost universally acknowledged by scouts to be the most pro ready of the big three QB prospects, so he could be further along than VY & cutler a month from now in terms of how to run his teams's offense even with a reduced training camp... scouts have called him the most NFL ready QB prospect since peyton manning...

 
he's not leaf, but i do think leinert is a bit spoiled. Im glad the jets passed on him.

Im sure its tough to be very humble when you spend 3 years in LA slinging the ball to other NFL prospects, pulling top shelf USC tail and having everyone you meet fall over themselves telling you how great you are. It was so great, he couldnt leave it for the NFL, despite winning the heisman, an NC and being a lock for the # 1 pick.

 
he's not leaf, but i do think leinert is a bit spoiled. Im glad the jets passed on him. Im sure its tough to be very humble when you spend 3 years in LA slinging the ball to other NFL prospects, pulling top shelf USC tail and having everyone you meet fall over themselves telling you how great you are. It was so great, he couldnt leave it for the NFL, despite winning the heisman, an NC and being a lock for the # 1 pick.
:goodposting: I can't help but think that one of the reasons Fisher, Chow, and the Titans passed on him might be because they wonder if he's even still hungry.
 
he's not leaf, but i do think leinert is a bit spoiled. Im glad the jets passed on him. Im sure its tough to be very humble when you spend 3 years in LA slinging the ball to other NFL prospects, pulling top shelf USC tail and having everyone you meet fall over themselves telling you how great you are. It was so great, he couldnt leave it for the NFL, despite winning the heisman, an NC and being a lock for the # 1 pick.
:goodposting: I can't help but think that one of the reasons Fisher, Chow, and the Titans passed on him might be because they wonder if he's even still hungry.
I posted after he decided to stay in school that I questioned his desire to play in the NFL. He loved college and looks like he would be a good-to-great NFL QB but maybe he doesn't have the desire. That's all speculation though and a gut feeling I get about him.
 
the could have gone first talk might have been an urban myth...

SF reportedly said they wouldn't have taken him (though what would be the upside of saying they would have, AFTER they had taken smith?)... we don't know really...

he has also said that he wouldn't have been able to work out on schedule as he had off-season shoulder surgery after 2004 season... he was legitimately concerned it could cause him to fall (look where QB #2 rodgers went - twenties)... leinart may have thought he could make more money by staying another year... & the injury risk (Of coming back) wasn't the same as if he was a RB...

* roy williams supposedly would have been #2 pick & first WR taken in the charles rogers & andre johnson draft of 2003... but he stayed for his senior year (like cedric benson & most texas players before VY)... he still ended up going very high a year later (DET & CLE swapped picks so browns could get winslow)... but isn't it a double standard to not question roy williams desire to play the game for staying his senior season when he didn't have to?

 
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I can't remember where but I heard he's being offered less guarenteed money than Cutler, who was a pick behind him. And again, IIRC, we're talking 3 mill. or so.

That's significant and both Leinart and his agent would be morons not to rectify that.

If I am wrong - and that wouldn't be a shock - then ignore the preceding words.... :)

 
...isn't it a double standard to not question roy williams desire to play the game for staying his senior season when he didn't have to?
No. Leinart had more groupies, fame, etc., than most NFL players ever will. He basically was already living the glorious NFL lifestyle. That is why I, for one, question his hunger - he's already had just about anything the NFL could offer him.That is very rarely the case for college players, and it certainly wasn't for Roy Williams.
 
I can't remember where but I heard he's being offered less guarenteed money than Cutler, who was a pick behind him. And again, IIRC, we're talking 3 mill. or so.
I'm sure that's the info his agent leaked. Meanwhile the team leaked "Leinart won't settle for #10 $". As usual the truth most likely lies somewhere in between those extremes.
 
...isn't it a double standard to not question roy williams desire to play the game for staying his senior season when he didn't have to?
No. Leinart had more groupies, fame, etc., than most NFL players ever will. He basically was already living the glorious NFL lifestyle. That is why I, for one, question his hunger - he's already had just about anything the NFL could offer him.That is very rarely the case for college players, and it certainly wasn't for Roy Williams.
that wasn't my point... leinart was taken to task for not going pro when he could have (where he would have gone is debateable)... roy also could have gone pro but didn't...if your theory was right, roy should have turned pro because he wasn't having as much fun as leinart... less incentive to stay... yet he did...also, what pro athlete doesn't have groupies... since when is having groupies a death blow to a QBs career... joe montana had a pretty hot girl friend before she became his wife... i guess joe wasn't really that good...i'm only going to draft QBs that are monks & celibate in the future...* i'm trying to get this straight... if he was a lesser talent, he wouldn't have been famous & he wouldn't have a bright NFL future...but if he is talented & famous, than he has no desire to play in NFL & will be a bust...is there any means by your way of looking at things where success would be granted a possibility?** i don't understand why it is so hard to consider that maybe he thought shoulder problem would have dropped him in 2005 draft & he could recoup it in 2006... whether he was subsequently right or not is incidental to his motive at that time...another example was deangelo williams, who wanted to turn pro last season but broke his leg in a bowl game... he might have dropped in 2005 draft but hoped to go higher in 2006... he probably hoped to go higher than he did this year, but he ended up in mid-twenties to CAR... did deangelo not have the desire to go pro?one advantage to the shoulder theory is it fits what he said & it is plausible in a straightforward way... unless you are certain there was no possible way his shoulder issue could have dropped him & cost him money in the 2005 draft (i'm not)... above reason doesn't need to attribute nebulous motives we have no way of knowing...
 
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I don't see the comparison. A rookie QB holding out is now Ryan Leaf? By all accounts Ryan Leaf was a ##### in college. My friends went to Wazzu and said everyone hated him despite the team success while he was the QB. Leaf was viewed as a hot head, a rebel and a guy who wore his heart on his sleeve. Leinart is pretty much opposite of that. Holding out for more money is one thing. Being a obnoxious ##### is another.

 
You do realize that his agent has to deal with the Bidwells. His agent is just trying to get his client his money. Check out the long list of rookie holdouts in previous yrs for the Cardinals.
:goodposting: God knows what's happening in that situation, but the Bidwell connection as you said is worth mentioning, as is the fact that Leinart's representation is not one of those outfits known for hijacking teams during negotiations, e.g. Postons or Rosey. :shrug:
Who is to say who is wrong in the negotiations? Is Arizona offering Lienart 11th pick money or low 10 pick money? Is his agent asking for #2 or #3 pick money? Is it somewhere in between? Certainly someone is going to pipe in and say, "Well I heard this and from a guy from a guy and Lienart is asking for to much." Or blah, blah, blah Arizona is low-balling him. Nobody knows but those in the negotiating room.
 
Bob_Magaw said:
Borat said:
Bob_Magaw said:
...isn't it a double standard to not question roy williams desire to play the game for staying his senior season when he didn't have to?
No. Leinart had more groupies, fame, etc., than most NFL players ever will. He basically was already living the glorious NFL lifestyle. That is why I, for one, question his hunger - he's already had just about anything the NFL could offer him.That is very rarely the case for college players, and it certainly wasn't for Roy Williams.
that wasn't my point... leinart was taken to task for not going pro when he could have (where he would have gone is debateable)... roy also could have gone pro but didn't...if your theory was right, roy should have turned pro because he wasn't having as much fun as leinart... less incentive to stay... yet he did...also, what pro athlete doesn't have groupies... since when is having groupies a death blow to a QBs career... joe montana had a pretty hot girl friend before she became his wife... i guess joe wasn't really that good...i'm only going to draft QBs that are monks & celibate in the future...* i'm trying to get this straight... if he was a lesser talent, he wouldn't have been famous & he wouldn't have a bright NFL future...but if he is talented & famous, than he has no desire to play in NFL & will be a bust...is there any means by your way of looking at things where success would be granted a possibility?** i don't understand why it is so hard to consider that maybe he thought shoulder problem would have dropped him in 2005 draft & he could recoup it in 2006... whether he was subsequently right or not is incidental to his motive at that time...another example was deangelo williams, who wanted to turn pro last season but broke his leg in a bowl game... he might have dropped in 2005 draft but hoped to go higher in 2006... he probably hoped to go higher than he did this year, but he ended up in mid-twenties to CAR... did deangelo not have the desire to go pro?one advantage to the shoulder theory is it fits what he said & it is plausible in a straightforward way... unless you are certain there was no possible way his shoulder issue could have dropped him & cost him money in the 2005 draft (i'm not)... above reason doesn't need to attribute nebulous motives we have no way of knowing...
Bob,I think one point you are missing is that Leinart had two National Championships to Roy's none (hence more of an incentive for Roy to stay when they are so close) when the decision came to leave early. Personally, I think the main resaon that Leinart stayed in school is because he did not want to play for San Fran...and I really think there is no way they would have passed on him for Alex Smith (unless signability came into play).
 
Borat said:
Bob_Magaw said:
...isn't it a double standard to not question roy williams desire to play the game for staying his senior season when he didn't have to?
No. Leinart had more groupies, fame, etc., than most NFL players ever will. He basically was already living the glorious NFL lifestyle. That is why I, for one, question his hunger - he's already had just about anything the NFL could offer him.That is very rarely the case for college players, and it certainly wasn't for Roy Williams.
You mean that unlike most starring players in major football programs who are toiling in anonymity such as, say the Notre Dame QB or the star RB at Miami, Leinart was soaking up the love and getting "extra benefits". :lmao: Leinart had it good at USC to be sure, but the guy was always going to go to the NFL and you're kidding yourself if you think that he didn't want to go into last year's draft when Chow left. He was injured to the point he needed surgery and could not work out, and that was going to kill his draft position so the choice was all but made for him. I have a strong feeling that he won't be entering the priesthood or something after two seasons in the NFL. BTW, Peyton Manning was talked about since his freshman year at Tennessee. He stayed for four years, but has turned out pretty good in the NFL, don't you think? This is much ado about nothing. He wants to get paid. There's always one holding out at this time every year.
 
I probably put too much emphasis on character, but I think it is a very big factor in determining success. Matt Leinert's extended holdout is not a huge concern in of itself. He was not expected to play this year and although missing camp is never a good thing, it will not be the reason if he is not the starter next season.

What concerns me is his growing sense of entitlement. Leinert's ego started to increase after his junior year and has continued growing through this offseason and contract negotiation. He has also thrown several former teammates under the bus this offseason.

These are not good signs to me. He obviously puts himself on a pedistal and seems to view individual accomplishments more valuable than team accomplishments. He has no interest in helping the Cardinals this year or else he would never have taken the ridiculous stance in contract negotiating that he has.

Looking over recent history, he and Ryan Leaf seem to have similar backgrounds. Ironically, they each lost there last game to the eventual national champion and finished third in the Heismann voting their final college season. But even past that, they seem to have similar personalities. Leinert faced little adversity at USC. Will his ego be able to take adversity on the NFL level? Will he learn to be a good teammate? Why did Norm Chow and Tennessee pass on him? Is he the next Ryan Leaf, Cade McNown, Tim Couch?

Again, I could be over-emphasizing things, but I am becoming more and more skeptical of his dynasty potential given the growing character issues.
Funny you should make the same comparison.I was thinking the same thing the other day.

I'm going to throw something out here about Matt Leinart.

I don't know him personally nor have I ever talked to him - but I'm going to see how this plays out.

I'm thinking that there is the makings of a "Ryan Leaf Syndrome" playing out before our eyes.

Consider the following:

Leinart has the makings of a prima donna. The lifestyle of the BMOC at USC, the Paris Hilton dates, the #1 prospect status last year, and a Heisman Trophy Winner.
Speaking of SoCal, he has been sheltered at USC by the Trojans and the university (and likely Pete Carroll). He rarely faced adversity - winning a National Championship in 2005 and playing for it again in 2006. When he lost for the first time in 2 years to Texas, rather than "man up" and take the minor setback, he throws most of his team under the bus and disrespects Texas.
He now has slipped from #1 overall in the Draft in 2005 to #10 in 2006. Rather than suck it up and seem anxious to "prove his worth" at the next level, he doesn't seem in that much of a hurry to learn the Cardinals' offense and be ready when (not if) Warner gets hurt.
It is highly likely that he is driving the heel-dragging to get into camp. Jay Cutler went at #11, so slotting his salary shouldn't be that hard - unless he wants a lot more. There's your likely problem.
Some now question if he was the best overall QB talent to come out in this class. Vince Young, Leinart, and Cutler were all compared. Again, he seems in no hurry to prove anyone wrong.I can see scenarios where Leinart does get the reins of the team in the next 2 years in Arizona, and at some point he's going to get criticized. It could be a coach or the media, but I honestly have no clue how he's going to handle the adversity that comes to EVERY QB in the league. If he can't handle it, his career will be short and he'll be regarded as a huge bust.

The likelihood that he is a good QB seemed like a sure thing 18 months ago - or at least as close as you can get in January as a college player. It is pretty easy to regard the last year and a half as a downslide in his overall value and perception as a franchise QB. So - keep an open mind and be cautious that there is a distinct possibility - even if just 10-20% - that Leinart is just a flash in the pan.
 
he's not leaf, but i do think leinert is a bit spoiled. Im glad the jets passed on him. Im sure its tough to be very humble when you spend 3 years in LA slinging the ball to other NFL prospects, pulling top shelf USC tail and having everyone you meet fall over themselves telling you how great you are. It was so great, he couldnt leave it for the NFL, despite winning the heisman, an NC and being a lock for the # 1 pick.
:goodposting: After listening him whine after the NC loss ("I think we were still the better team out there"), I knew he was going to be a problem. I'm also glad the Jets didn't take him. Everything has been relatively easy for him up to this point. I think he could be successful if he gets rid of the sense of entitlement and works hard. I just think people are casually brushing aside the obstacles he faces. First the attitude, and second, he is no longer going to be the QB of a team that is head and shoulders above their competitors due to being ridiculously overloaded with talent.
 
he's not leaf, but i do think leinert is a bit spoiled. Im glad the jets passed on him. Im sure its tough to be very humble when you spend 3 years in LA slinging the ball to other NFL prospects, pulling top shelf USC tail and having everyone you meet fall over themselves telling you how great you are. It was so great, he couldnt leave it for the NFL, despite winning the heisman, an NC and being a lock for the # 1 pick.
:goodposting: I can't help but think that one of the reasons Fisher, Chow, and the Titans passed on him might be because they wonder if he's even still hungry.
I posted after he decided to stay in school that I questioned his desire to play in the NFL. He loved college and looks like he would be a good-to-great NFL QB but maybe he doesn't have the desire. That's all speculation though and a gut feeling I get about him.
From reading posts here at FBG's, it would appear that many FBG's would walk away from big bucks in order to get unlimited nookie in college. Maybe that was what was motivating him, anhd he's planning on going back to get his master's. :D
 
I can't remember where but I heard he's being offered less guarenteed money than Cutler, who was a pick behind him. And again, IIRC, we're talking 3 mill. or so.
I'm sure that's the info his agent leaked. Meanwhile the team leaked "Leinart won't settle for #10 $". As usual the truth most likely lies somewhere in between those extremes.
The reports I have seen say he is being offered less then the #10 last year, which was Mike Williams (a WR and former teammate). So add that to the less money then Cutler and you have a holdout.
 
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anyway, it sounds like they may have a framework that broke the impasse, & it may just be few more days of working out details... if that is the case, 2-3 years from now it won't matter much if he reports a few days late...
impasse broken? care to enlighten us?
 
Borat said:
Bob_Magaw said:
...isn't it a double standard to not question roy williams desire to play the game for staying his senior season when he didn't have to?
No. Leinart had more groupies, fame, etc., than most NFL players ever will. He basically was already living the glorious NFL lifestyle. That is why I, for one, question his hunger - he's already had just about anything the NFL could offer him.
Except serious money
 
Is he seriously asking for 1.01 money?
I didn't mean to imply that he is asking for #1 money, just that he thinks he should get it. I think he is trying to get close to VY money, howeve; or at least top 6.
This is totally untrue. The hangup is that the Cardinals are offering less guaranteed money than Cutler got at #11. That is what is holding up this deal. It is not Leinart's ego or the notion that he should have been drafted higher (in his mind). It is entirely a case of his money being slotted appropriately. Once that is done, he will sign.
 
I can't remember where but I heard he's being offered less guarenteed money than Cutler, who was a pick behind him. And again, IIRC, we're talking 3 mill. or so.
I'm sure that's the info his agent leaked. Meanwhile the team leaked "Leinart won't settle for #10 $". As usual the truth most likely lies somewhere in between those extremes.
The reports I have seen say he is being offered less then the #10 last year, which was Mike Williams (a WR and former teammate). So add that to the less money then Cutler and you have a holdout.
What reports??? Were???From local AZ media it is being said that he wants VY type cake and they believe (matt and his agent) that the #9 and #11 pick this year signed poor contracts. Futhermore if you look at Bidwills dealing with the last two first round selections (Fitz and rolle) they went real smooth. Denny has made an impact with the Bidwills as far as spending money goes.
 
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Speaking of SoCal, he has been sheltered at USC by the Trojans and the university (and likely Pete Carroll). He rarely faced adversity - winning a National Championship in 2005 and playing for it again in 2006. When he lost for the first time in 2 years to Texas, rather than "man up" and take the minor setback, he throws most of his team under the bus and disrespects Texas. ...
Could you elaborate on Leinart throwing most of his team under the bus? The only bus-throwing-under that I recall happening involving USC would have had Lendale White being the thrower and Leinart being the one thrown.
 
Bob_Magaw said:
also, what pro athlete doesn't have groupies... since when is having groupies a death blow to a QBs career... joe montana had a pretty hot girl friend before she became his wife... i guess joe wasn't really that good...
Not that I think it's real important to a qb's success, but the nature of Leinart's "groupies" was unlike anything just about any COLLEGE athelete has probably seen. He didn't just have a hot college girlfriend whom he ended up marrying - he was living the Hollywood lifestyle every day and every night. He wasn't hanging out with cheerleaders - he was hanging out with Charlie Sheen (well maybe not him exactly), big time rock stars and movie starlets, doing the nightlife all the way up seemingly all the time. Now don't get me wrong, through all that he got his degree and had an awesome college football career, so I don't think he got too carried away with it (I'm not saying he's a druggie or an alcy for instance), but he was living a dream life - a lifestyle I think even most successful pro players never sniff. That had to be powerfully alluring, and he certainly wasn't going to see anything like it living anywhere but Los Angeles or New York. In a way it's almost a shame the Jets didn't take him as I think he probably would have been a good fit there in many ways, including this one.I'm not debating his ability to make it in the pros, I just wanted to clarify a seeming misconception about what he had going in college, and that it probably was a very big factor in why he stayed another year. His extracurricular activites ("groupies" doesn't begin to describe it) really were above and Beyonce anything I can recollect a college athelete experiencing.This holdout doesn't really say anything about his character to me - it's become par for the NFL rookie course. He'll probably be signed and ready to go in mid November when Warner shatters again.
 
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Speaking of SoCal, he has been sheltered at USC by the Trojans and the university (and likely Pete Carroll). He rarely faced adversity - winning a National Championship in 2005 and playing for it again in 2006. When he lost for the first time in 2 years to Texas, rather than "man up" and take the minor setback, he throws most of his team under the bus and disrespects Texas. ...
Could you elaborate on Leinart throwing most of his team under the bus? The only bus-throwing-under that I recall happening involving USC would have had Lendale White being the thrower and Leinart being the one thrown.
The statement was made from memory.I do recall this immediately after the game:

Leinart

Not really giving Texas quite their due.

I thought there was more afterward, but cannot find it.

 
GregR said:
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Speaking of SoCal, he has been sheltered at USC by the Trojans and the university (and likely Pete Carroll). He rarely faced adversity - winning a National Championship in 2005 and playing for it again in 2006. When he lost for the first time in 2 years to Texas, rather than "man up" and take the minor setback, he throws most of his team under the bus and disrespects Texas. ...
Could you elaborate on Leinart throwing most of his team under the bus? The only bus-throwing-under that I recall happening involving USC would have had Lendale White being the thrower and Leinart being the one thrown.
The statement was made from memory.I do recall this immediately after the game:

Leinart

Not really giving Texas quite their due.

I thought there was more afterward, but cannot find it.
There was. On the field after the game and then again at the press conference he opined that he thought they were the better team and shouldn't have lost. He didn't give Texas their due. That said, I think dealing with disappointment like that is hard, especially when you don't have any prior experience at it. I don't think Leinart's bad form after the Rose Bowl was any more or less tacky then Vince Young's Heisman reaction. Colin

 
GregR said:
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Speaking of SoCal, he has been sheltered at USC by the Trojans and the university (and likely Pete Carroll). He rarely faced adversity - winning a National Championship in 2005 and playing for it again in 2006. When he lost for the first time in 2 years to Texas, rather than "man up" and take the minor setback, he throws most of his team under the bus and disrespects Texas. ...
Could you elaborate on Leinart throwing most of his team under the bus? The only bus-throwing-under that I recall happening involving USC would have had Lendale White being the thrower and Leinart being the one thrown.
The statement was made from memory.I do recall this immediately after the game:

Leinart

Not really giving Texas quite their due.

I thought there was more afterward, but cannot find it.
There was. On the field after the game and then again at the press conference he opined that he thought they were the better team and shouldn't have lost. He didn't give Texas their due. That said, I think dealing with disappointment like that is hard, especially when you don't have any prior experience at it. I don't think Leinart's bad form after the Rose Bowl was any more or less tacky then Vince Young's Heisman reaction. Colin
Thanks for reaffirming that Colin. I was hoping I wasn't :loco: .Back on topic - while I am not saying Leinart == Leaf, I am starting to see a path towards that ending. Hopefully for his sake I'm wrong, but the signs and parallels should be noted.

 
I disagree with the comparison, although I understand your reasoning. The things I remember most about Leaf from college were that he was immature (emotional, hotheaded at times, and literally immature by virtue of being an underclassman) and that he had a rocketlauncher on his shoulder. While people comparing him to Manning at the time were morons, I certainly understood why he was worth getting excited about and I certainly understood why San Diego would pine for him, especially when Andre Wadsworht was neither a sure thing nor a need for them at 3.

Conversly, Leinart has demonstrated more maturity and a good-not-great arm.

Colin

 
I also heard a lot of interviews with Leinart where he was complimentary of Texas. I recall he was on the Dan Patrick show the next day or the day after and he said everything you'd want to hear your player say about an opponent.

I guess what I'm saying is, when you come down to it I would want my player to believe his was the better team and that they should have found a way to win. But I would also want him to throw in the, "But Texas performed on the field and they deserved the national championship." The fact he didn't in the heat of the moment of dealing with the loss... not ideal, but we're not even in the same galaxy as Ryan Leaf, let alone the same ballpark.

Much as I hate complimenting Trojans in general, I really can't say I've seen much to suggest his attitude is any kind of a problem yet. If it interferes with his play then it's time to worry. But at this point the contract negotiations are keeping that from even being a possibility. And I figure the Bidwells are as much a part of the problems as Leinart's camp is on that.

 
GregR said:
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Speaking of SoCal, he has been sheltered at USC by the Trojans and the university (and likely Pete Carroll). He rarely faced adversity - winning a National Championship in 2005 and playing for it again in 2006. When he lost for the first time in 2 years to Texas, rather than "man up" and take the minor setback, he throws most of his team under the bus and disrespects Texas. ...
Could you elaborate on Leinart throwing most of his team under the bus? The only bus-throwing-under that I recall happening involving USC would have had Lendale White being the thrower and Leinart being the one thrown.
The statement was made from memory.I do recall this immediately after the game:

Leinart

Not really giving Texas quite their due.

I thought there was more afterward, but cannot find it.
:lmao: he was right.

 
when leinart flips out on a reporter like mel gibson on a bad, nick nolte, garey busey-esque bender and has to be physically restrained by karlos dansby in the locker room, than i will begin to see the parallels... :)

 
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GregR said:
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Speaking of SoCal, he has been sheltered at USC by the Trojans and the university (and likely Pete Carroll). He rarely faced adversity - winning a National Championship in 2005 and playing for it again in 2006. When he lost for the first time in 2 years to Texas, rather than "man up" and take the minor setback, he throws most of his team under the bus and disrespects Texas. ...
Could you elaborate on Leinart throwing most of his team under the bus? The only bus-throwing-under that I recall happening involving USC would have had Lendale White being the thrower and Leinart being the one thrown.
The statement was made from memory.I do recall this immediately after the game:

Leinart

Not really giving Texas quite their due.

I thought there was more afterward, but cannot find it.
:lmao: he was right.
Well, duh. :mellow:
 
Billy Ball Thorton said:
I can't remember where but I heard he's being offered less guarenteed money than Cutler, who was a pick behind him. And again, IIRC, we're talking 3 mill. or so.
I'm sure that's the info his agent leaked. Meanwhile the team leaked "Leinart won't settle for #10 $". As usual the truth most likely lies somewhere in between those extremes.
The reports I have seen say he is being offered less then the #10 last year, which was Mike Williams (a WR and former teammate). So add that to the less money then Cutler and you have a holdout.
What reports??? Were???From local AZ media it is being said that he wants VY type cake and they believe (matt and his agent) that the #9 and #11 pick this year signed poor contracts. Futhermore if you look at Bidwills dealing with the last two first round selections (Fitz and rolle) they went real smooth. Denny has made an impact with the Bidwills as far as spending money goes.
POSTED 1:08 p.m. EDT, August 10, 2006BREAKTHROUGH COMING IN LEINART TALKS?A league source tells us that talks will continue on Thursday regarding a contract for Cardinals quarterback Matt Leinart.Per the source, today's session is regarded as an important one with respect to whether there will be a breakthrough in the short term.Though the specifics as to the respective bargaining positions are currently sketchy, it's a safe bet that Leinart and company still want more money than the Cardinals are willing to pay. Complicating matters is the perception that the guy drafted in front of the 2004 Heisman winner, Ernie Sims, signed a bad deal and that the guy taken behind him, Jay Cutler, signed a mediocre one.
 

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