Consensus Top 350 Albums of All-Time: 20. Led Zeppelin II – Led Zeppelin (279 Viewers)

[Mrs. Rannous]

I youtubed both Thin Lizzy versions and I still like The Boys are back and still dislike Whiskey in a Jar.

Good man.

 

[KarmaPolice]

are we sharing our albums that didn't make it?

I was thinking about a few metal albums to suggest, but also worry about the shtick irritating people. Not trying to do that.

I thought you might get a kick out of Puritania but i dunno if you saw me link it earlier

Yeah, i must have missed that. I can try that tomorrow maybe. After Blood Incantation and Ziltoid i feel like I am in a ****ing time warp.

no rush or anything, it was a joke about "alien music". To be honest I've never listened to any other Dimmu Borgir stuff except that.

Oh. I didn't see the band name. Ive heard a bit of their stuff.

 

[timschochet]

Cat Stevens is a lost name like Lew Alcindor or Cassius Clay.

There's actually a big difference between Yusuf and Lew Alcindor and Cassius Clay.

Yusuf converted to Islam. Alcindor and Clay converted to the Nation Of Islam, led by "prophet" Elijah Muhammad, whose backstory in Detroit and in the Midwest is staggering and astoudning. That people fell for him and continue to speaks to something and I won't ruin the thread. But Elijah Muhammad's origins as a "prophet" are so ridiculous that to have followed this man takes an extra special credulity or emotional dissatisfaction that is off the charts. Motivating factors can run the gamut, but even those sympathetic to reasoning of the followers often have trouble writing about Elijah qua Elijah. And it's not just because he was a bad dude (he was), it was his background and his theological claims and practices. Hoo boy.

I knew him as Cat Stevens

Makes sense. You only hear about his conversion when it is brought up, which nobody wants to do. For good reasons.

eta* This is just by way of clarification and explanation. BP said this when I was pretty much done with them post. (I added the last sentence or two to clarify.)

OK guys I was joking! I thought it was obvious I was being tongue in cheek.

tim. It's you. I have no idea whether you're serious or not. LOL. I enjoy your presence, bud. I'm laughing. But I honestly never know. And I'm not worked up or anything. The story of Elijah Muhammad is something I found out about eight months (?) or so ago. I mean I've never talked about it on the board because why would I? But damn, it's weird. So when I see it, I write more out of disbelief than anger or scorn. It's so insane I just shake my head.

Actually Kareem was never a member of the Nation of Islam. Like Yusuf, he converted to Islam proper. Ali WAS a member of the Nation of Islam but only for a few years. Though he was associated with Elijah Muhammad’s son Herbert for decades, Ali quickly became a traditional Muslim (like Kareem) and stayed one for the rest of his life.

 

[timschochet]

And while you’re right about Elijah Muhammad’s strange background, there are some parallels between him and another American prophet of note: Joseph Smith.

 

[timschochet]

The main difference between Cat Stevens and Ali and Jabbar is that the latter two achieved much of their greatness AFTER their conversion, whereas Yusuf…did not. He had a great run for a small stretch of time in the early 70s but was unable to continue it. It was as if he lost the skill to write songs after a couple of years.

This is not unusual for the early 70s singer songwriters. James Taylor, Carole King, Joni Mitchell, Gordon Lightfoot et al, not only had almost no hits post 1976 or so, the quality of their music just wasn’t at the level it was earlier. Whatever magic they had (and IMO, it’s arguably the best songwriting era we’ve ever seen) it was lost in a few years for most of them.

The one guy I always wonder about, though, is Jim Croce. I consider him to be a little above the rest in terms of songwriting skills and I think that, if he hadn’t tragically died, he might have had a long and memorable career ala Paul Simon.

 

[timschochet]

If I had to do my list over I would have included, perhaps, Fleetwood Mac’s first two albums from the late 60s. I’ve been on a British blues kick lately (Free, Savoy Brown, Chicken Shack, John Mayall, etc.) and the stuff by Peter Green is simpky outstanding,

In the same vein, ZZ Top’s First Record (that’s the name of the album) is as good as anything I think I’ve ever heard by this band. Every song is amazing.

 

[timschochet]

The main difference between Cat Stevens and Ali and Jabbar is that the latter two achieved much of their greatness AFTER their conversion, whereas Yusuf…did not. He had a great run for a small stretch of time in the early 70s but was unable to continue it. It was as if he lost the skill to write songs after a couple of years.

Nah, the difference between Cat and Ali is that one joined the NOI, which openly advocates that whites and Jews are the devil. Kareem also knew this, and he's still a bitter old man. Listen to him speak or write. The difference between Cat and Lew is that Lew has a reasonable gripe with colonialism, slavery, and White America. Cat is a dupe who can't condemn terrorists. That's the difference.

I wouldn't get into this with you, but you're doing that tim thing where you declare things and it betrays a framing of the world.

Yeah I was trying to bring the conversation back to music. Let’s drop the other stuff because the powers that be may be uncomfortable with where it goes.

 

[timschochet]

The main difference between Cat Stevens and Ali and Jabbar is that the latter two achieved much of their greatness AFTER their conversion, whereas Yusuf…did not. He had a great run for a small stretch of time in the early 70s but was unable to continue it. It was as if he lost the skill to write songs after a couple of years.

Nah, the difference between Cat and Ali is that one joined the NOI, which openly advocates that whites and Jews are the devil. Kareem also knew this, and he's still a bitter old man. Listen to him speak or write. The difference between Cat and Lew is that Lew has a reasonable gripe with colonialism, slavery, and White America. Cat is a dupe who can't condemn terrorists. That's the difference.

I wouldn't get into this with you, but you're doing that tim thing where you declare things and it betrays a framing of the world.

Yeah I was trying to bring the conversation back to music. Let’s drop the other stuff because the powers that be may be uncomfortable with

I say we delete it all and not subject everybody to it. I am more than happy to do that.

I've deleted mine. I think for the early morning checkers-in it's a more pleasant read.

dont think it’s necessary. We didn’t go over the line. We were getting close but not over IMO.

 

[rockaction]

The main difference between Cat Stevens and Ali and Jabbar is that the latter two achieved much of their greatness AFTER their conversion, whereas Yusuf…did not. He had a great run for a small stretch of time in the early 70s but was unable to continue it. It was as if he lost the skill to write songs after a couple of years.

Nah, the difference between Cat and Ali is that one joined the NOI, which openly advocates that whites and Jews are the devil. Kareem also knew this, and he's still a bitter old man. Listen to him speak or write. The difference between Cat and Lew is that Lew has a reasonable gripe with colonialism, slavery, and White America. Cat is a dupe who can't condemn terrorists. That's the difference.

I wouldn't get into this with you, but you're doing that tim thing where you declare things and it betrays a framing of the world.

Yeah I was trying to bring the conversation back to music. Let’s drop the other stuff because the powers that be may be uncomfortable with

I say we delete it all and not subject everybody to it. I am more than happy to do that.

I've deleted mine. I think for the early morning checkers-in it's a more pleasant read.

dont think it’s necessary. We didn’t go over the line. We were getting close but not over IMO.

I'm talking about consideration for the reader who just wants music. This has nothing to do with angering the mods. These are our friends or good acquaintances or iFriends, or whatever you'd like to call them. Let's not subject them to a religion/race slapfight. I'm deleting this also. I know some are reading. I'm not trying to hide it. I just think it's off-point.