Consequences of switching from Standard to PPR - Keeper League (1 Viewer)

[Ruffrodys05]

My main league, an established 12-team/6-player keeper league which I have served as commissioner for the past 12 years, has recently voted to switch from semi-standard scoring to PPR scoring. Our scoring system has evolved somewhat over the years. We've always been 6pt/TD across all positions with TD-length bonuses built in. I believe it is described as a TD-Heavy league. The evolution has occurred in our yardage scoring. Our current scoring rules are thus:

Roster

Full roster 18, Start 9: 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1K, 1D

(No restrictions on number of players per position other than must be able to field a starting lineup on gameday.)

Keeper Roster

6 players (No restrictions on number of players per position.)

Td Length (Offense or Defense)

1 - 9 Yds: 6 Pts

10 - 29 Yds: 9 Pts

30 - 39 Yds: 12 Pts

40 + Yds: 15 Pts

Punt/KO Returns 50+ Yds: 18 Pts

Yardage Scoring

All Positions - 1Pt/40 Yds Passing

All Positions - 1Pt/15 Yds Rushing/Receiving

So, after 12 years we enter the 2014 season attempting to adjust to the addition of PPR scoring. The league voted for this additional scoring in early March. Rosters must be reduced to keeper status by the end of July. Draft at end of August. 14 week regular season, 3 week playoffs.

NEW PPR Scoring

All Positions - 1Pt/Reception

I'm trying to get a picture of this from a league-wide view and also from a team/GM perspective, so:

*What are the obvious consequences of this change?

We keep a detailed record book and while records have been broken in recent years the number each year hasn't been substantial. I expect an explosion of broken player/team/league scoring records this season.

*What are the unforeseen consequences?

I'm sure there are other fantasy footballers out there who have had to deal with just such a scoring change in one of their leagues. Does anyone have any advice as to what I should be anticipating that I might otherwise overlook.

*Is it basically a wash, since every team and player is subject to the new scoring rules equally?

I'm not sure if this statement is all that accurate as teams may not actually be affected equally, but the rule will be applied equally.

*Am I asking the right questions?

My reasons for inquiring are twofold. I am interested in being prepared as commissioner, so as to be able to deal with and handle any situations we may encounter as a league. Also, I'm selfish. I want to establish an advantage over my league-mates. I want to win and be crowned the champ.

My apologies if this thread should have been started in the Assistant Coach forum, but I thought I'd get more interest and responses here in the Shark Pool.

Rody

 

[GregR]

Yes, it looks pretty TD heavy.

If I understand right that you are keeping all other scoring the same and just adding 1 pt PPR, you'll find that the top receivers are more valuable than they used to, and the RBs will shift about to favor backs who get receptions. Other than it's going to be pretty similar.

Biggest issue I see in a move like this is just the timing of it. If teams drafted, traded, and did waiver moves last year expecting no PPR this year, then the change can really help some teams and really hurt others. In my leagues, if we make this kind of an impactful change, we would announce it is coming a year before it goes into effect, so people have a season they can transition towards it.

 

[Ruffrodys05]

Biggest issue I see in a move like this is just the timing of it.

Yes, not a perfect situation. Fortunately this change/addition had been discussed many times previously and it certainly appeared the league would eventually make the leap. But I agree with you, it is a significant change in which owners must now transition quickly.

Thanks for the reply Greg, and thanks in advance to any others who reply, I appreciate your comments.

Rody

 

[Sweet Love]

I think your biggest gripe will be from teams that have not stockpiled pure PPR players. If they do not have an Edelman to offset owning a Ridley-type, you are going to hear it. Your old rules were so PPR unfriendly (emphasis on TDs and lower yardage points), there is probably a team or two built for TD only (maybe they were starting a guy like James Jones and Ridley and doing well). Reality is, they should be able to right the ship after a season as TD specialists have kind of died in the real NFL ( remember Moe Williams?).

 

[Ruffrodys05]

Your old rules were so PPR unfriendly (emphasis on TDs and lower yardage points)

This perspective never occurred to me until you just pointed it out. Thanks.

 

[unckeyherb]

echoing what was already stated, when we switched from standard to our current system (.5ppr) we announced the change during the draft in 2008, but didn't make the switch until 2009. This gave people ample time tow draft twice and make other roster moves with the knowledge that we'd be transitioning.

 

[KellysHeroes]

grad the best WR u can during the transtion period

 

[Spin]

echoing what was already stated, when we switched from standard to our current system (.5ppr) we announced the change during the draft in 2008, but didn't make the switch until 2009. This gave people ample time tow draft twice and make other roster moves with the knowledge that we'd be transitioning.

This is how we switched our dynasty to a ppr. We agreed to do it a year from the current season, to give people a year to adjust their roster as they saw fit.

 

[ffgiant]

echoing what was already stated, when we switched from standard to our current system (.5ppr) we announced the change during the draft in 2008, but didn't make the switch until 2009. This gave people ample time tow draft twice and make other roster moves with the knowledge that we'd be transitioning.

This is how we switched our dynasty to a ppr. We agreed to do it a year from the current season, to give people a year to adjust their roster as they saw fit.

I agree. You probably need to give Team at least a year to adjust.

 

[kutta]

We changed our league last year to PPR but it's not a keeper. It does suck for historical records and such (we've had the league for almost 20 years, so all scoring records are now starting over). But I would object to changing a keeper league even if you do give one year to account for it. The only way I would really be OK with it is to completely redraft - which is something you should consider anyway since the scoring is going to be so vastly different.

It's not fair to people who have built a really strong team with your current rules to suddenly have a mediocre team with the new rules. Especially with six keepers.

Maybe you could have everyone only keep 2 or 3 players the first year?

 

[unckeyherb]

We changed our league last year to PPR but it's not a keeper. It does suck for historical records and such (we've had the league for almost 20 years, so all scoring records are now starting over). But I would object to changing a keeper league even if you do give one year to account for it. The only way I would really be OK with it is to completely redraft - which is something you should consider anyway since the scoring is going to be so vastly different.

It's not fair to people who have built a really strong team with your current rules to suddenly have a mediocre team with the new rules. Especially with six keepers.

Maybe you could have everyone only keep 2 or 3 players the first year?

Yeah that is what we do. Keep 2 with An option for a third with sacrificing your first round pick.

 

[Ruffrodys05]

I really appreciate everyone's comments regarding how it "should" play out with such a change to an established keeper league. I totally understand where everyone is coming from. That being said, the league voted, amidst varying objections, to go ahead and add PPR this coming season, with no transition period except this offseason. So no, there will not be a year-long transition period. Everyone, including me, will have to adjust quickly, within months. The change has been made and we are moving forward with this.

Regardless of how it's best to transition, since we are past that stage, I still want to know how you folks handled it as GM's when your established leagues changed to PPR. My original questions still hold merit and the answers you guys provide are important to me. There must surely be consequences folks had to deal with after the transition period.

*Did you underestimate how valuable high volume pass catching RB's are in PPR?

*Did owning a couple top tier WR1's on one fantasy team really make that big of a difference when compared to the team which had 4-5 second or third tier WR's?

Top tier TE's rank right up there with the top WR's in our league at years end, typically. They score the same as WR's. The only reason I rank them separately is because we don't employ a flex position in our starting rosters.

*Is the TE position one that some may overlook, or not place enough emphasis on, when considering their starting roster on draft day?

Again, thanks to everyone who has replied thus far, I appreciate all comments.

Rody

 

[GregR]

It probably isn't a huge change. WR and certain RBs will gain some value. The fact your league was very TD heavy takes it out of my realm of direct experience to say just how much it will change.

This is where something like VBD shines though. Just take a set of stats... they can be last year's preseason projections even as long as they are realistic, and enter the two scoring systems and compare the resulting value of players. WR and TE should get a bump, but you'll get a truer idea of how much if you do the math or let Draft Dominator do it for you.