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Cops record themselves fabricating criminal charges (1 Viewer)

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Glad we trust the police.  Mandatory body and dash cams can't come soon enough.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-future/police-accidentally-record-themselves-conspiring-fabricate-criminal-charges-against

The ACLU of Connecticut is suing state police for fabricating retaliatory criminal charges against a protester after troopers were recorded discussing how to trump up charges against him. In what seems like an unlikely stroke of cosmic karma, the recording came about after a camera belonging to the protester, Michael Picard, was illegally seized by a trooper who didn’t know that it was recording and carried it back to his patrol car, where it then captured the troopers’ plotting.

“Let’s give him something,” one trooper declared. Another suggested, “we can hit him with creating a public disturbance.” “Gotta cover our ###,” remarked a third.

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In the end they decide on two criminal infractions: “reckless use of a highway by a pedestrian,” and “creating a public disturbance.” They have a chilling discussion on how to support the public disturbance charge, and the top-level supervisor explains to the other two, “what we say is that multiple motorists stopped to complain about a guy waving a gun around, but none of them wanted to stop and make a statement.”

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Sure, let's just sweep this under the rug so we can go back to believing everything the cops tell us when a brown man gets murdered shot by police.

 
If what the ACLU alleges is true, all three officers should be fired for cause, lose their pensions, and be prosecuted criminally.

 
the only thing I have a problem with is taking his camera. 

why was this guy protesting at a dui checkpoint??

 
If you just comply with the police officer every thing will be fine.   I just don't understand why people don't listen to the Po Po and no one will get hurt.  

 
I really think we have an issue with the type of guy that becomes a cop.  First your best and brightest don't typically become cops because they can make a ton more money elsewhere much more safely.  And many cops seem to have a "cop" personality where they enjoy the authority being a cop yields.  Perhaps this second part is ok, but I think that it can lead us to issues when the cops are a little too aggressive and believing in their authority.

For the record, my BIL is a cop and having been around him and a good amount of cops through various events over the years has directly led me to forming this opinion.

 
Rich Conway said:
If what the ACLU alleges is true, all three officers should be fired for cause, lose their pensions, and be prosecuted criminally.
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Whoa, whoa it's not like the guy probably hadn't had run-ins with the law before.  These officers were just doing the best they could in a highly-stressful environment.  I'd say force then to take a leave of absence.  They'll learn their lesson then.

 
If it takes that many random events to record this, how many times does it happen when it is not recorded? 1000x? 10000x? The few bad apples phrase is always misinterpreted by pro-police people. The whole point of the phrase is that with a few bad apples, all of the apples are spoiled, not that the rest of them are good. I would not consider an officer who covers up for another officer a good apple, even if they themselves have always acted correctly out in public.

Also, purely anecdotal, but none of the people I know who have become police officers were the best or brightest temperament wise. One was the stereotypical elementary school bully who later sold stolen stuff(from stores) to others at the high school. The other 2 I can immediately think of started out as nice but fairly below average intelligence, joined the marines, and came back racist as hell, then they became cops.

I know it is not feasible, but I always felt like politicians and positions of authority like cops should be done by a random draft like jury duty, because the people that want to become a cop or politician are often (not always) the people you don't want for the job.

 
The only surprise left in this society is the people who are surprised cops are dirty, politicians are bought, corporations are profit-driven and institutions (religious, social etc) are power grabs. 

How you can have a 1959's Pollyanna view of any of these is shocking to me. 

 
mr roboto said:
The only surprise left in this society is the people who are surprised cops are dirty, politicians are bought, corporations are profit-driven and institutions (religious, social etc) are power grabs. 

How you can have a 1959's Pollyanna view of any of these is shocking to me. 
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They not only exist, but are proud of it.

 
Homer J Simpson said:
Good god. 
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What? He's 100% right. Nothing to gain on this one. This one happened in Nov. 2015, well after the Brown incident, yet it's funny, we never heard about this. BTW, no one rioted either and this one is far worse than any of the others I've seen except for the guy sitting on the ground who got shot with his hands up.

 
proninja said:
One of my good friends became a cop after getting her masters in criminal justice, and she's one of the brightest people I've ever met. I met her in college Astronomy class when we were 16, I was going to Spanish after that, she was going to Differential Equations. 

Hey, look, anecdotal evidence
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So you don't think any of what I posted is true?  You don't think certain personality types are more attracted to police as a career? 

 
proninja said:
I think your logic very well could be true, but I'd need some sort of, you know, evidence before I accepted it as fact. Don't be offended, but the machinations of your brain aren't quite enough to shape what I think reality is. 
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Since when?

 
James Daulton said:
I really think we have an issue with the type of guy that becomes a cop.  First your best and brightest don't typically become cops because they can make a ton more money elsewhere much more safely.  And many cops seem to have a "cop" personality where they enjoy the authority being a cop yields.  Perhaps this second part is ok, but I think that it can lead us to issues when the cops are a little too aggressive and believing in their authority.

For the record, my BIL is a cop and having been around him and a good amount of cops through various events over the years has directly led me to forming this opinion.
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There was an interesting article about police officers and how they have a much higher rate of domestic abuse than the average family.  http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/09/police-officers-who-hit-their-wives-or-girlfriends/380329/  Kind of pathetic really.

I don't like how being a police officer seems to lend itself to acting like an unruly jackass when someone disobeys your orders.  Lately it seems like I'll see 4 or 5 police cars just to apprehend 1 black dude.  Or how they protect their 'brothers in blue' or whatever, not only from accountability but criticism as well.  Just a big blue gang with a monopoly on violence.  It'd be nice if we lived in a society where citizens had some type of say in the methods by which they are policed.  

 
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