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Could an owner groom a coach? (1 Viewer)

parasaurolophus

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Corporate America has learned that often it is better to find the right person and then teach them the trade, rather than find somebody in the trade and teach them to be a better manager or leader. I apologize if such discussion belongs in another forum.

I would love to see an owner try this.

Here is my proposal. I am going to go ahead and pretend that I own an NFL team. I would conduct a round of interviews looking for a "special consultant". I would seek 3 indiviuals around the age of 26-27. I would look for somebody who was a great leader, has a great ability to process statistics, was mentally tough, and had shown a track record of being able to adapt to new jobs and responsibilities at his current company. They would have their own film room and would have full access to all other facilities. I would create several other special "pseudo" projects for them so that when they were lingering around, people would not be wondering wtf they were doing there. I would also require them to begin a fairly rigorous workout program to get them into very good shape.

I would make sure they get very well educated in physical training and conditioning. This would be my "in". The most qualified of the group of three after about 2-3 years would become my teams new strength and conditioning coach. I see this as being the easiest way to put a non football person in charge of football personnel. Now I personally would like a coach who expects and demands their players to be in excellent shape. This would be a great way for him to get in the faces of some lazy players and demonstrate that he means business.

After gaining sufficient respect of the other coaches and the players, I would begin educating him to be a different positions coach, while still educating him in all apsects of the game. I would then promote him. Now he has a chance to show his skills in a more football related area. If I have picked the great leader and educator that I thought I did, he should immediately flourish. After a couple solid years, as an NFL assistant, he would be ready for my head coaching position.

Now if my team is doing great and I have a great head coach at that time, great. I am probably rich and have a different company anyway. I could probably just transplant my fully groomed head coach to my other company and he would probably make me millions there.

If my team sucks, and I need a new head coach. Yep I have one ready. He would be tough and he wouldnt follow conventional wisdom. He would look at situations analytically and decide based on his personnel what would be the best actions.

The media would already be crucifying him in the press, so if he made a bold 4th down call and didnt get it and they lost the game, so what? He would have no fear. If you surrounded him with the right locker room veterans and class act players, he should have no problem keeping his locker room. All you would need is one winning season and he would be supported.

I think this would work because it is fairly accurate to say that the best players DONT make the best coaches. Why? Why would guys who are amazing at their sport generally be bad at being a coach? Well maybe the best players rely so much on instinct and ability that they truly dont have a complete handle on being able to educate others to do what they did. Maybe they were always hard workers, so they cant comprehend having to motivate others to play.

People often say those who cant do, teach. Well I say we give that a try!!!! The fact that Norv Turner will probably get another shot at being a head coach tells me I might be on to something here. If a guy who keeps failing eventually everywhere he goes keeps getting jobs, the NFL HAS to be desperate for a good coach.

If it doesnt work so what? What have you lost? Your team already sucked. You would have wasted millions on your next bad coach anyway. Hell it would probably save you money even if it didnt work, because no way would you have to pay this guy anywhere near what you would have to pay a head coach. An up and coming bright 32 year old worker in corporate America would be very pleased to be making 350,000 a year as an NFL head coach. Especially if he was given incentive clauses based on his performance.

 
... rather than find somebody in the trade and teach them to be a better manager or leader.
Is this really what NFL teams are generally doing? For the most part, it seems to me that teams hire head coaches that know the trade and are good managers/leaders. :thumbup: Obviously, there are exceptions, but most NFL owners are pretty smart guys. If someone already exists with all the occupational skills needed (and there seems to be a decent supply; I mean we're only talking about 32 positions total) why spend the time/resources/money to groom someone who doesn't know the game?

 
... rather than find somebody in the trade and teach them to be a better manager or leader.
Is this really what NFL teams are generally doing? For the most part, it seems to me that teams hire head coaches that know the trade and are good managers/leaders. :lmao: Obviously, there are exceptions, but most NFL owners are pretty smart guys. If someone already exists with all the occupational skills needed (and there seems to be a decent supply; I mean we're only talking about 32 positions total) why spend the time/resources/money to groom someone who doesn't know the game?
You really think there is a huge wealth of these guys around? Why do the same yo yos keep getting hired? Why do we recycle coach after coach after coach? Either the owners are idiots, or there arent enough of these guys around. Either Tom Coughlin is a good coach or he isnt. Either Dom Capers is a good coach or he isnt. Bottom line is these guys have been fired for horrible performance. These guys will get hired again and again and again. How in the world does that happen?

 
... rather than find somebody in the trade and teach them to be a better manager or leader.
Is this really what NFL teams are generally doing? For the most part, it seems to me that teams hire head coaches that know the trade and are good managers/leaders. :) Obviously, there are exceptions, but most NFL owners are pretty smart guys. If someone already exists with all the occupational skills needed (and there seems to be a decent supply; I mean we're only talking about 32 positions total) why spend the time/resources/money to groom someone who doesn't know the game?
You really think there is a huge wealth of these guys around? Why do the same yo yos keep getting hired? Why do we recycle coach after coach after coach? Either the owners are idiots, or there arent enough of these guys around. Either Tom Coughlin is a good coach or he isnt. Either Dom Capers is a good coach or he isnt. Bottom line is these guys have been fired for horrible performance. These guys will get hired again and again and again. How in the world does that happen?
A wealth? If you define that as being "enough to fill the positions available" then yes, I believe there are a wealth of candidates, already in the industry, that could succeed as NFL head coaches. Do owners make bad choices sometimes? Sure. Doesn't mean viable candidates aren't out there.Belichick was a retread who was fired for horrible performance.

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Just because a guy doesn't get it done for one team, or even two, doesn't mean he can't be a good head coach.
 
Just because a guy doesn't get it done for one team, or even two, doesn't mean he can't be a good head coach.
Exactly. Keep in mind, many times the HC is fired for reasons not really attributable to him. Not always obviously, but sometimes the players don't match his scheme, the GM is an idiot (Lions), or other issues. I figure we have probably a handful of truly brilliant coaches who are great leaders. Even they don't always win quickly with the players they're given. Most of the HCs have a philosophy that works with the right players. They may or may not be able to adapt to their team.
 
Just because a guy doesn't get it done for one team, or even two, doesn't mean he can't be a good head coach.
Exactly. Keep in mind, many times the HC is fired for reasons not really attributable to him. Not always obviously, but sometimes the players don't match his scheme, the GM is an idiot (Lions), or other issues. I figure we have probably a handful of truly brilliant coaches who are great leaders. Even they don't always win quickly with the players they're given. Most of the HCs have a philosophy that works with the right players. They may or may not be able to adapt to their team.
And by definition this makes them poor leaders. Which is exactly my point.
 
So perhaps Al Davis should audition folks through his own version of the Apprentice. Or Maybe some other media whore owner like Snyder or Jones should take up the cause. They could bring in Seal Team Leaders, trauma surgeons, emergency management personel, young entreprenuers and CEO's, a lawyer or two for the audience to hate on, a FBG and a Madden Champion and see what happens.

 
hburgers11 said:
-OZ- said:
Sidewinder16 said:
Just because a guy doesn't get it done for one team, or even two, doesn't mean he can't be a good head coach.
Exactly. Keep in mind, many times the HC is fired for reasons not really attributable to him. Not always obviously, but sometimes the players don't match his scheme, the GM is an idiot (Lions), or other issues. I figure we have probably a handful of truly brilliant coaches who are great leaders. Even they don't always win quickly with the players they're given. Most of the HCs have a philosophy that works with the right players. They may or may not be able to adapt to their team.
And by definition this makes them poor leaders. Which is exactly my point.
Soooo...you are saying that Bill Belichick is a poor leader?
 
hburgers11 said:
-OZ- said:
Sidewinder16 said:
Just because a guy doesn't get it done for one team, or even two, doesn't mean he can't be a good head coach.
Exactly. Keep in mind, many times the HC is fired for reasons not really attributable to him. Not always obviously, but sometimes the players don't match his scheme, the GM is an idiot (Lions), or other issues. I figure we have probably a handful of truly brilliant coaches who are great leaders. Even they don't always win quickly with the players they're given. Most of the HCs have a philosophy that works with the right players. They may or may not be able to adapt to their team.
And by definition this makes them poor leaders. Which is exactly my point.
<_< The inability to redesign your gameplan doesn't neccessarily make you a poor leader.
 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
So perhaps Al Davis should audition folks through his own version of the Apprentice. Or Maybe some other media whore owner like Snyder or Jones should take up the cause. They could bring in Seal Team Leaders, trauma surgeons, emergency management personel, young entreprenuers and CEO's, a lawyer or two for the audience to hate on, a FBG and a Madden Champion and see what happens.
This has legs.
 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
So perhaps Al Davis should audition folks through his own version of the Apprentice. Or Maybe some other media whore owner like Snyder or Jones should take up the cause. They could bring in Seal Team Leaders, trauma surgeons, emergency management personel, young entreprenuers and CEO's, a lawyer or two for the audience to hate on, a FBG and a Madden Champion and see what happens.
This has legs.
I'd watch it!
 
hburgers11 said:
-OZ- said:
Sidewinder16 said:
Just because a guy doesn't get it done for one team, or even two, doesn't mean he can't be a good head coach.
Exactly. Keep in mind, many times the HC is fired for reasons not really attributable to him. Not always obviously, but sometimes the players don't match his scheme, the GM is an idiot (Lions), or other issues. I figure we have probably a handful of truly brilliant coaches who are great leaders. Even they don't always win quickly with the players they're given. Most of the HCs have a philosophy that works with the right players. They may or may not be able to adapt to their team.
And by definition this makes them poor leaders. Which is exactly my point.
Soooo...you are saying that Bill Belichick is a poor leader?
I frequently say Belichek is the best coach in the league. I think Belichek has found his niche and has no restrictions on what he does and quite frankly is about as unconventional as you can get. He is a different coach than he was before.Coughlin=sameTurner=sameMora=sameetc etc. Can guys change their ways and learn? of course. Do they usually? Nope. I think BB could win anywhere now. He is however the exception, not the norm.
 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
So perhaps Al Davis should audition folks through his own version of the Apprentice. Or Maybe some other media whore owner like Snyder or Jones should take up the cause. They could bring in Seal Team Leaders, trauma surgeons, emergency management personel, young entreprenuers and CEO's, a lawyer or two for the audience to hate on, a FBG and a Madden Champion and see what happens.
This has legs.
I'd watch it!
Yep, I'd be all over it. The winning team each week gets to hang out in big Al's sweet palatial estate. The losing team gets to spoon feed him apple sauce and change his Depends.
 
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hburgers11 said:
-OZ- said:
Sidewinder16 said:
Just because a guy doesn't get it done for one team, or even two, doesn't mean he can't be a good head coach.
Exactly. Keep in mind, many times the HC is fired for reasons not really attributable to him. Not always obviously, but sometimes the players don't match his scheme, the GM is an idiot (Lions), or other issues. I figure we have probably a handful of truly brilliant coaches who are great leaders. Even they don't always win quickly with the players they're given.

Most of the HCs have a philosophy that works with the right players. They may or may not be able to adapt to their team.
And by definition this makes them poor leaders. Which is exactly my point.
What about coaches who have shown success at some point, but then can't adapt to/lead/manage a new team later? Guys like Tom Flores, Mike Ditka, Joe Gibbs, Dennis Green, Steve Mariucci, Bum Phillips and Buddy Ryan showed success with one team, then later failed or were mediocre at best with another. Did they suddenly forget how to be leaders? Are any of these guys good coaches, in your estimation?What about guys like Wayne Fontes or John Fox, whose teams seem to run hot and cold? Are they good leaders/coaches one year, but then forget how to be good leaders/coaches the next year?

It's possible your idea has merit and could generate a successful NFL head coach, although I'm skeptical as to it's plausibility. There are hundreds, of coaches and assistants already in the NFL, and hundreds, if not thousands, more in the college ranks. I'm pretty sure you could find 32 guys from that pool of people, that already know the trade, and who are also good leaders/motivators/managers.

 

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