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Could Football be my Religion? (1 Viewer)

KCitons

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Odd question on the surface. But when you look at the legal aspect, in the eyes of the Government, would it be possible to state you are a follower of football? At the present time, my belief in a God is undetermined, but my belief in man made religion went out the window a long time ago. Maybe it's my desire to find balance that took me so far to the other end of the spectrum.

According to the IRS, to be considered a legal Church you must:

1- Have a distinct legal existence and a religious history. Well the legal existence should be easy to determine, but I'm not sure about tying it in to religious history. (maybe the Immaculate Reception, or the Hail Mary would be suffice) Otherwise, nearly a hundred years of existence should make a solid foundation.

2- A recognized creed and a form of worship. This should be easy to develop a creed. It's just a group of words that defines our belief in football. The form of worship is even easier and would of course include a Saturday and/or Sunday of gathering at a building with others. There may be breaking of bread (in order to insert the ham, roast beef, and cheese) and the drinking of wine (or beer). Many interdenominational Churches have bands and visual interaction during their services. Ours would be similar. In fact a majority the service would be centered around large A/V screens.

3- Established places of Worship Duh, see rule two. Not like you would want to move the beer tap, fryers and big screen tv's every week.

4- A Regular Congregation and a Regular Religious Service I have a feeling there would be a ton of regulars. In fact, the congregation may grow too large. Regular Religious Service? Are you kidding me? I can give you the exact schedule for half of the year. Beyond that, there would be "special" holidays during the March, April, May, June. Let's call them "mock draft days"

5- An Organization of Ordained Ministers. Hmm, Could we get Roger Goodell to visit this site http://www.themonastery.org/ordination. If not, we are going to need a few volunteers. A word of caution, it could take up to 72 hours to process. So, don't wait until Friday night to start this.

Seems simple enough. Who's with me?

 
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I am an ordained minister with the ULC, and I wholeheartedly volunteer my services for thursday night, Saturdays, Sundays, and Monday nights this fall.

 
Not sure how this ended up in the Shark Pool, I thought I started it in FFA forum. Mods please move.

 
Some of you people are super weird.
Yeah, but it would be weirder if we only ate fish on Fridays. Or we waved a live chicken over our heads three times in hopes of transferring our sins. And if someone prefers baseball over football, we won't declare them infidels and wage a war on rival bars.....er, I mean churches.

 
Some of you people are super weird.
Yeah, but it would be weirder if we only ate fish on Fridays. Or we waved a live chicken over our heads three times in hopes of transferring our sins. And if someone prefers baseball over football, we won't declare them infidels and wage a war on rival bars.....er, I mean churches.
At least we actually could see what we worship....

 
This thread brings back memories from years back when some aspiring entepreneur established the "Church of Monday Night Football" and sold paraphenalia for a while . . .

 
"In England and Wales 390,127 people (almost 0.8%) stated their religion as Jedi on their 2001 Census forms, surpassing Sikhism, Judaism, and Buddhism, and making it the fourth largest reported religion in the country"

I don't see why not

 
Your religion is whatever you want it to be, so sure, why not.

All the other recognized religions to this point are made up, so why not this? Just because certain "legalities" may say otherwise??? God created commandments, not amendments.....................or something like that.

 
Please do this. I need something to justfy my obsessively reading the Shark Pool in May when I'm not in a dynasty league.

 
I thought of doing a book like this with a chapter or whatever for each team (really a way to visit all of the stadiums and write it off as a business expense)... treat each team like an individual religion with different rituals and cultural quirks. Still might.

 
"In England and Wales 390,127 people (almost 0.8%) stated their religion as Jedi on their 2001 Census forms, surpassing Sikhism, Judaism, and Buddhism, and making it the fourth largest reported religion in the country"I don't see why not
The Office for National Statistics revealed the total figure in a press release entitled "390,000 Jedis there are".
:lol:

 
I was waiting for someone with a legal background to chime in on this subject. I would be curious as to why a bar would not be able to apply for tax exempt status. Seems like a nice loophole.

(oh, and I'm surprised this still hasn't been moved to the FFA area)

 
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Raider Nation said:
Do you like the Cardinals? Or Dana Bible? Or Desmond Bishop?
More of a Priest Holmes fan myself, and Leonard Pope. Barry Church could be the starter this year for "God's team", and He can watch his team through the hole in the roof.

All of that without a single mention of "Tebowing".

 
I was waiting for someone with a legal background to chime in on this subject. I would be curious as to why a bar would not be able to apply for tax exempt status. Seems like a nice loophole.

(oh, and I'm surprised this still hasn't been moved to the FFA area)
There is a commerciality doctrine, which says that if primary purpose is commercial (or activities carried out in the private sector), than not tax-exempt. I think that would catch most bars.

 
I was waiting for someone with a legal background to chime in on this subject. I would be curious as to why a bar would not be able to apply for tax exempt status. Seems like a nice loophole.

(oh, and I'm surprised this still hasn't been moved to the FFA area)
There is a commerciality doctrine, which says that if primary purpose is commercial (or activities carried out in the private sector), than not tax-exempt. I think that would catch most bars.
Certainly, but how does a Church pay it's priests, ministers and nuns? If I remember correctly, I was paid $2 each time served as an alter boy. (let the jokes fly) Also, churches hold wedding receptions, and other events (Friday Fish Fry) that makes as much money on those given nights as any bar or restaurant. Still fail to see the difference.

 
I was waiting for someone with a legal background to chime in on this subject. I would be curious as to why a bar would not be able to apply for tax exempt status. Seems like a nice loophole.

(oh, and I'm surprised this still hasn't been moved to the FFA area)
There is a commerciality doctrine, which says that if primary purpose is commercial (or activities carried out in the private sector), than not tax-exempt. I think that would catch most bars.
Certainly, but how does a Church pay it's priests, ministers and nuns? If I remember correctly, I was paid $2 each time served as an alter boy. (let the jokes fly) Also, churches hold wedding receptions, and other events (Friday Fish Fry) that makes as much money on those given nights as any bar or restaurant. Still fail to see the difference.
The difference is "primary purpose."

 
I was waiting for someone with a legal background to chime in on this subject. I would be curious as to why a bar would not be able to apply for tax exempt status. Seems like a nice loophole.

(oh, and I'm surprised this still hasn't been moved to the FFA area)
There is a commerciality doctrine, which says that if primary purpose is commercial (or activities carried out in the private sector), than not tax-exempt. I think that would catch most bars.
Certainly, but how does a Church pay it's priests, ministers and nuns? If I remember correctly, I was paid $2 each time served as an alter boy. (let the jokes fly) Also, churches hold wedding receptions, and other events (Friday Fish Fry) that makes as much money on those given nights as any bar or restaurant. Still fail to see the difference.
The difference is "primary purpose."
But, how do you determine the primary purpose? The primary purpose of a bar is to create revenue for the owner and in turn put money into the economy through its employees. The primary purpose of the Catholic Church is.....? I'll have to come back to that. What is the primary purpose of charging $500 for a reception or $8 for a plate of fish? To create revenue.

 
So could you set up a "church" bar? Primary purpose is to watch sports (football), and not to make money. What's wrong with that? Sell beer and chicken wings to cover expenses only, not to generate revenue.....

 
I was waiting for someone with a legal background to chime in on this subject. I would be curious as to why a bar would not be able to apply for tax exempt status. Seems like a nice loophole.

(oh, and I'm surprised this still hasn't been moved to the FFA area)
There is a commerciality doctrine, which says that if primary purpose is commercial (or activities carried out in the private sector), than not tax-exempt. I think that would catch most bars.
Certainly, but how does a Church pay it's priests, ministers and nuns? If I remember correctly, I was paid $2 each time served as an alter boy. (let the jokes fly) Also, churches hold wedding receptions, and other events (Friday Fish Fry) that makes as much money on those given nights as any bar or restaurant. Still fail to see the difference.
The difference is "primary purpose."
But, how do you determine the primary purpose? The primary purpose of a bar is to create revenue for the owner and in turn put money into the economy through its employees. The primary purpose of the Catholic Church is.....? I'll have to come back to that. What is the primary purpose of charging $500 for a reception or $8 for a plate of fish? To create revenue.
It's based on the organization, not the activity. If a church did nothing other than serve as a reception hall, it would not be tax-exempt either.

 
I was waiting for someone with a legal background to chime in on this subject. I would be curious as to why a bar would not be able to apply for tax exempt status. Seems like a nice loophole.

(oh, and I'm surprised this still hasn't been moved to the FFA area)
There is a commerciality doctrine, which says that if primary purpose is commercial (or activities carried out in the private sector), than not tax-exempt. I think that would catch most bars.
Certainly, but how does a Church pay it's priests, ministers and nuns? If I remember correctly, I was paid $2 each time served as an alter boy. (let the jokes fly) Also, churches hold wedding receptions, and other events (Friday Fish Fry) that makes as much money on those given nights as any bar or restaurant. Still fail to see the difference.
The difference is "primary purpose."
But, how do you determine the primary purpose? The primary purpose of a bar is to create revenue for the owner and in turn put money into the economy through its employees. The primary purpose of the Catholic Church is.....? I'll have to come back to that. What is the primary purpose of charging $500 for a reception or $8 for a plate of fish? To create revenue.
It's based on the organization, not the activity. If a church did nothing other than serve as a reception hall, it would not be tax-exempt either.
Exactly, which is why I included the 5 things the IRS uses to define a Church.

So could you set up a "church" bar? Primary purpose is to watch sports (football), and not to make money. What's wrong with that? Sell beer and chicken wings to cover expenses only, not to generate revenue.....
I don't know why you couldn't make money. Churches make money all the time. They pay for new Churches, repairs, electricity, etc. I think the grey area is how much you can pay the "Pastor".

 
So could you set up a "church" bar? Primary purpose is to watch sports (football), and not to make money. What's wrong with that? Sell beer and chicken wings to cover expenses only, not to generate revenue.....
I don't know why you couldn't make money. Churches make money all the time. They pay for new Churches, repairs, electricity, etc. I think the grey area is how much you can pay the "Pastor".
I didn't mean to say that you wouldn't or couldn't make money - just that it wouldn't be your primary focus. Your primary focus would have to be to serve your constituents (not sure if that's the word to use here). Money would first be used to purchase up to 10 or so 60" high definition TVs and killer sound system allowing you to switch audio to any game of your choice. And for a top-notch acoustical setting, comfortable leather seating with built in heat and beverage holder, electricity, food and drink for all patrons of the establishment.....on and on.

 
The sticking point is the amount of money that would need to be fronted in order to get the "church" built. Would that come strictly from donations? Or would an entrepreneur take out a loan. (do banks give loans on churches?) Would the people that donate be allowed special privileges? Nearly every church I have ever attended, did not require a donation. It was expected, but not required. If it's only for members, then it's a club (not a church)

I guess I would compare the business structure to something along the lines of Billy Graham or any other TV evangelist. They have made tons of money and their followers received little in return.

 
I thought of doing a book like this with a chapter or whatever for each team (really a way to visit all of the stadiums and write it off as a business expense)... treat each team like an individual religion with different rituals and cultural quirks. Still might.
awesome idea.

Peace

 
I thought of doing a book like this with a chapter or whatever for each team (really a way to visit all of the stadiums and write it off as a business expense)... treat each team like an individual religion with different rituals and cultural quirks. Still might.
Honestly, it would probably sell quite a lot of copies

 
Some of you people are super weird.
Yeah, but it would be weirder if we only ate fish on Fridays. Or we waved a live chicken over our heads three times in hopes of transferring our sins. And if someone prefers baseball over football, we won't declare them infidels and wage a war on rival bars.....er, I mean churches.
Yeah, but we may wage war on others within our religion.

Either way... I'm in.

 
I thought of doing a book like this with a chapter or whatever for each team (really a way to visit all of the stadiums and write it off as a business expense)... treat each team like an individual religion with different rituals and cultural quirks. Still might.
Honestly, it would probably sell quite a lot of copies
It could be our Bible. Every religion needs a "Good Book". Something to place your hand on when you swear.

 

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