Could Ryan Grant be cut? (1 Viewer)

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

Milwaukee Journal-Sentinal today:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/128290998.html

"It might seem like heresy to even consider the Packers letting Grant go, but the truth is about two weeks before the season opener the only certainties at the position for the 53-man roster are James Starks, Alex Green and John Kuhn."

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"The obvious pick would be Grant, the two-time 1,200-yard rusher. But there are other issues to consider such as Grant's $5.65 million salary cap number. If he is on the roster the first day of the season, he is guaranteed his $3.5 million base salary, which would lift his 2011 compensation thus far to around $4.75 million."

Grant is not worth that salary anymore. Period. He has looked slow and plodding this preseason even though some fluff pieces have said otherwise, and is ripe for either Starks or Green to take his job.

Grant = Sell. Before it's too late.

 

[Invictus~Bronte]

No..he won't

Another very irresponsible Rotoworld blurb

 

[beerbarron]

Milwaukee Journal-Sentinal today:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/128290998.html

"It might seem like heresy to even consider the Packers letting Grant go, but the truth is about two weeks before the season opener the only certainties at the position for the 53-man roster are James Starks, Alex Green and John Kuhn."

...

"The obvious pick would be Grant, the two-time 1,200-yard rusher. But there are other issues to consider such as Grant's $5.65 million salary cap number. If he is on the roster the first day of the season, he is guaranteed his $3.5 million base salary, which would lift his 2011 compensation thus far to around $4.75 million."

Grant is not worth that salary anymore. Period. He has looked slow and plodding this preseason even though some fluff pieces have said otherwise, and is ripe for either Starks or Green to take his job.

Grant = Sell. Before it's too late.

Grant still has NFL trade value.. not sure the organization would cut him...

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

No..he won'tAnother very irresponsible Rotoworld blurb

'Cept that Roto got if from the Milwaukee Journal, who suggested it.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

It is possible they could cut him and then try to renegotiate. But to keep him at that salary with 2 capable guys now behind him doen't make sense. TT has shown he can make those kinds of tough decisions.

 

[TheFanatic]

Dumbest thing I've seen in a while.

 

[Invictus~Bronte]

No..he won'tAnother very irresponsible Rotoworld blurb

'Cept that Roto got if from the Milwaukee Journal, who suggested it.

Yes..out there take and a a news source that preys on the sensational.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

Grant is not worth that salary anymore. Period.

Way to show 'em who's boss.

Show who? They overpaid Grant to begin with. Now, after an injury, the Packers have 2 other RBs on their roster who are capable players and Grant finds himself less valuable than he was. They don't need 3-- running is an afterthought with this team. They could use that cap space to lock up Finley before he makes the Pro Bowl this year and becomes unaffordable in FA next season.

 

[mlball77]

Does seem a touch far fetched to me at first glance, but I don't claim to know how GB mgmt operates. So maybe this isn't as unrealistic as I tend to think it is.

That said, beat writers and journalists often make judgment calls on things and many of us gobble up their 'take' as fact… when it's really just an educated guess (assuming the writer is on top of things). Unless it's something they can tie back to team coaches/mgmt, I often don't put a lot of weight into it. Something like, "Player X is having a good camp and should be the favorite to win the starting job at split end." --If the journalist is saying this based on what he's seen at practice etc., it is very different than him/her quoting a coach saying something similar to that. Just because a journalist likes what he/she is seeing from Player X at open practices doesn't mean that the player is necessarily impressing coaches or climbing the depth chart.

Back to this specific story... On one side of the coin, I don't think the case made by this writer is too crazy when finances are factored in. On the other side, I think that a team defending it's title really needs the threat of a legit rushing attack and Grant helps significantly in that cause. His salary isn't crazy-high, imo, so my guess is that GB keeps him this year and it's RBBC in GB. If Starks stays healthy and plays well (or Green), or if Grant struggles a bit, then Grant will become expendable going forward.

 

[Short Corner]

I wouldn't be surprised if it happened. They won the Super Bowl without him. Would be hard to justify that cap number.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Grant has rushed for 4.6 ypc and 4.3 ypc in the first 2 preseason games. That doesn't seem that bad to me.

Starks is already hurt. Again. And he rushed for just 3.5 ypc last year. Green has rushed for an amazing 1.3 ypc in his only preseason game so far and Kuhn is really a FB.

The speculation on this is just silly.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

If Grant were cut he would be on the Detroit starting roster before he could even get out of the Green Bay parking lot.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

There was a lot of fuming at the time Grant signed his contract but looking back now it's tough to argue he's been overpaid considering where the RB market has gone since that deal, and that Grant has produced consistently except for one IR season.

Just imagine if GB had paid Ahman Green the (wasted) money that Houston did.

 

[Funkley]

Brilliant......cut your starting running back because he's " too expensive" and then turn around and give the savings to a guy who has proven far less at this point than Grant. This is why fans dont run football teams.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Grant is not worth that salary anymore. Period.

Way to show 'em who's boss.

Show who? They overpaid Grant to begin with. Now, after an injury, the Packers have 2 other RBs on their roster who are capable players and Grant finds himself less valuable than he was. They don't need 3-- running is an afterthought with this team. They could use that cap space to lock up Finley before he makes the Pro Bowl this year and becomes unaffordable in FA next season.

How many RBs did they need last year?

 

[We Tigers]

If Grant were cut he would be on the Detroit starting roster before he could even get out of the Green Bay parking lot.

This is dead-on. If they do want him gone, both the Cardinals and Lions would surely love to take on his last year for a late draft pick.

 

[Longtucky Lemmings]

If Grant were cut he would be on the Detroit starting roster before he could even get out of the Green Bay parking lot.

Honestly, this might be the major factor in making this NOT likelyHaving said that, my guess is TT is considering cutting Grant. As another poster said, the Packers wont he SB without Grant all season....the majority of which Brandon Jackson was starting. Let me repeat that - BRANDON JACKSON got them through their SB winning season (albeit Starks took them through the playoffs)Given that the Packers have some big name players coming up on FA (Sitton, Finley, etc.) cap space is definitely a concern. It would not at all surprise me to see TT cut Grant, sign a RB from another teams 53 player cuts and then use the saved cash to sign Sitton and FInley to in-season extensions.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

Grant is not worth that salary anymore. Period.

Way to show 'em who's boss.

Show who? They overpaid Grant to begin with. Now, after an injury, the Packers have 2 other RBs on their roster who are capable players and Grant finds himself less valuable than he was. They don't need 3-- running is an afterthought with this team. They could use that cap space to lock up Finley before he makes the Pro Bowl this year and becomes unaffordable in FA next season.

How many RBs did they need last year?

None, actually. The won the superbowl with basically zero running game.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

If Grant were cut he would be on the Detroit starting roster before he could even get out of the Green Bay parking lot.

Honestly, this might be the major factor in making this NOT likelyHaving said that, my guess is TT is considering cutting Grant. As another poster said, the Packers wont he SB without Grant all season....the majority of which Brandon Jackson was starting. Let me repeat that - BRANDON JACKSON got them through their SB winning season (albeit Starks took them through the playoffs)

Given that the Packers have some big name players coming up on FA (Sitton, Finley, etc.) cap space is definitely a concern.

It would not at all surprise me to see TT cut Grant, draft a RB in the 3rd round, and then use the saved cash to sign Sitton and FInley to in-season extensions.

Fixed.People wondered why TT spent his 3rd round pick on Alex Green- over guys like Kendall Hunter, etc. Maybe this was why?

 

[Claymaker52]

A couple of the writers for the Journal-Sentinel have been periodically beating this drum all camp so far. One day it's Brandon Saine that's going to take his spot, the next day it's Martin Nance. Meanwhile no one else is reporting this and there have not been any quotes out of the organization that anything like this is in the works. Starks has been banged up again and Green isn't ready. I would be very surprised if Grant were cut. Maybe if GB wasn't banking on a big season they could cut his salary and go with youth. But Starks hasn't proven he can stay healthy and Green is a mid-round rookie with a lot to learn yet. They can still definitely use Grant this year.

 

[two_dollars]

I wouldn't be surprised if it happened. They won the Super Bowl without him. Would be hard to justify that cap number.

They also won the SB without Finley, how much would they save cutting him?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Are we trying to push Grant back to an 8th round pick again?

 

[CentralPA]

Wow, whoever wrote that column needs to get his head checked. Grant is virtually a lock be the starter in GB.

 

[zoonation]

Starks' health right now makes this a non-starter. I'm sure they would like to cut Grant, who isn't near the back Starks is when healthy IMO. But Starks isn't 100% and they would be one hit away from starting a rookie. That isn't going to fly for a Superbowl contender that throws a ton and needs a back that can pick up the blitz and perform in audible situations.

Having said all of that, Starks will take the job from Grant at some point this year, and GB will be paying Grant a lot of money to be a backup.

 

[barteeparty]

I don't believe this but if true, James Starks' value would go through the roof...

 

[Short Corner]

I wouldn't be surprised if it happened. They won the Super Bowl without him. Would be hard to justify that cap number.

They also won the SB without Finley, how much would they save cutting him?

You tell me.

 

[Wadsworth]

I guess stranger things have happened. But not many.

 

[sho nuff]

It is possible they could cut him and then try to renegotiate. But to keep him at that salary with 2 capable guys now behind him doen't make sense. TT has shown he can make those kinds of tough decisions.

Sure...and while they won it all last year, it was a struggle to get into the playoffs and part of that was because they had no running game.Grant has looked extremely good so far and showed he still has a little burst so far. And while Nance looked good in one preseason game late against 3rd stringers...so what, how has he looked before when he had the chance...like last year.He is ok, but not enough to hang the hat on.Only scenario would be a trade, he does still have some value (though, the salary while not huge, could still pose a problem in trading as someone may not want to take on that $$$ for a guy with one year left on the contract.

 

[TheFanatic]

I don't believe this but if true, James Starks' value would go through the roof...

Wouldn't he have to be healthy for that to happen? Grab Green fast if they cut Grant. Not sure why I'm even saying this as I think there is about 0% chance they cut Grant... $5 million is peanuts for a vet in the new NFL.

 

[cvnpoka]

grant being cut was a foregone conclusion around here last december. wheres that starks fanboy that was adamant it would happen and even challenged a bet on who would have more carries? (ofc he backed out, when someone stepped up)

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Doesn't surprise that Grant is possible cut material. Starks has always been the shark play. Grant still going much higher in drafts mainly on his defacto starting status. When Starks is healthy, Grant will mainly ride the bench.

 

[GroveDiesel]

The James Starks love seems way overboard in here. His ypc for the regular season last year was terrible. And in the playoffs he had 2 very nice games and 2 pretty lousy ones. Not sure why he's getting so much love.

 

[Dragon1952]

Why would they pay him his $1.75 million roster bonus a month early if there was even an inkling of a doubt that he would make the team?

 

[brewer]

Why would they pay him his $1.75 million roster bonus a month early if there was even an inkling of a doubt that he would make the team?

Going away gift

 

[Zab]

Good thing I drafted Starks.

Grant's not the same player anymore.

 

[TheFanatic]

Good thing I drafted Starks. Grant's not the same player anymore.

What evidence do you have of that? Guy blew out his knee. He's had 8 carries for 36 yards and a 4.5 average in the preseason. That's about the only thing one could base his skills declining on. I'm not seeing it.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

It is possible they could cut him and then try to renegotiate. But to keep him at that salary with 2 capable guys now behind him doen't make sense. TT has shown he can make those kinds of tough decisions.

Sure...and while they won it all last year, it was a struggle to get into the playoffs and part of that was because they had no running game.Grant has looked extremely good so far and showed he still has a little burst so far.

And while Nance looked good in one preseason game late against 3rd stringers...so what, how has he looked before when he had the chance...like last year.

He is ok, but not enough to hang the hat on.

Only scenario would be a trade, he does still have some value (though, the salary while not huge, could still pose a problem in trading as someone may not want to take on that $$$ for a guy with one year left on the contract.

Sorry Sho, I usually agree with you on Packer matters, but not this. I think Grant has lost a step. When we see longer game action it will become apparent.

 

[B Maverick]

From my leagues CBS Player Page:

News: A story in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel speculates that Packers RB Ryan Grant is on the roster bubble. According to the story, Grant is one of two rushers, the other being Dimitri Nance, for a spot on the running back depth chart. The paper assumes that James Starks, John Kuhn and rookie Alex Green are all locks to make the team and that the Packers will only carry four backs. Meanwhile, Grant has seen nothing but playing time with the first-team offense in camp and in limited preseason action. Head coach Mike McCarthy said he'd like to give Grant more carries in an effort to get him ready for the season.

Analysis: The Packers gave Grant a $1.75 million roster bonus in late July and have given him plenty of time with the first-string offense. That's not typical of players in danger of losing a roster spot. We'd be completely shocked if the Packers punted on Grant this season, especially since their other backs aren't exactly considered reliable enough to shoulder the rushing workload. Grant's looked fine this preseason and should be a factor in the Packers offense in 2011. Don't let this story -- which is really more about Nance's slim chances to make the team -- get in the way of taking Grant with a Round 5 or 6 pick as a No. 2 or 3 RB. If anything, hope that fellow owners in your league read this and let Grant fall to you.

 

[VaTerp]

Apparently Im one of the few people who are high on Grant this year.

I haven't seen much Packer pre-season action but I've read where he is in top shape and is very motivated by the fact that the team won a Super Bowl without him.

His salary is not burdensome at all and the other options at the RB position are still largely unproven. Yes, they won a Super Bowl without him but that doesnt mean he can't contribute to the run they want to make this year.

I would be shocked if Grant is cut and think he surprises people with low end RB2 value this season.

 

[sho nuff]

It is possible they could cut him and then try to renegotiate. But to keep him at that salary with 2 capable guys now behind him doen't make sense. TT has shown he can make those kinds of tough decisions.

Sure...and while they won it all last year, it was a struggle to get into the playoffs and part of that was because they had no running game.Grant has looked extremely good so far and showed he still has a little burst so far.

And while Nance looked good in one preseason game late against 3rd stringers...so what, how has he looked before when he had the chance...like last year.

He is ok, but not enough to hang the hat on.

Only scenario would be a trade, he does still have some value (though, the salary while not huge, could still pose a problem in trading as someone may not want to take on that $$$ for a guy with one year left on the contract.

Sorry Sho, I usually agree with you on Packer matters, but not this. I think Grant has lost a step. When we see longer game action it will become apparent.

Lost a step...based on what?The couple runs to the edges he had the other day for 5-6 yards?

I have seen absolutely no evidence that he lost any step.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Good thing I drafted Starks. Grant's not the same player anymore.

Guy blew out his knee.

It was the ankle. Those are sometimes tougher to come back from than the knee. And Grant was no burner before the injury, and he's no spring chicken either. Even if he loses a half step, it's a big deal and puts his role in the balance.

 

[Todem]

It is possible they could cut him and then try to renegotiate. But to keep him at that salary with 2 capable guys now behind him doen't make sense. TT has shown he can make those kinds of tough decisions.

Sure...and while they won it all last year, it was a struggle to get into the playoffs and part of that was because they had no running game.Grant has looked extremely good so far and showed he still has a little burst so far. And while Nance looked good in one preseason game late against 3rd stringers...so what, how has he looked before when he had the chance...like last year.He is ok, but not enough to hang the hat on.Only scenario would be a trade, he does still have some value (though, the salary while not huge, could still pose a problem in trading as someone may not want to take on that $$$ for a guy with one year left on the contract.

I looked for your post immediatly.I trust Sho-Nuff on anything Packers. He has proven to be a valuable poster on this team.Let Grant slip to the 6th or 7th round. I will scoop him up Friday if he is there in the 6th.

 

[Todem]

It is possible they could cut him and then try to renegotiate. But to keep him at that salary with 2 capable guys now behind him doen't make sense. TT has shown he can make those kinds of tough decisions.

Sure...and while they won it all last year, it was a struggle to get into the playoffs and part of that was because they had no running game.Grant has looked extremely good so far and showed he still has a little burst so far.

And while Nance looked good in one preseason game late against 3rd stringers...so what, how has he looked before when he had the chance...like last year.

He is ok, but not enough to hang the hat on.

Only scenario would be a trade, he does still have some value (though, the salary while not huge, could still pose a problem in trading as someone may not want to take on that $$$ for a guy with one year left on the contract.

Sorry Sho, I usually agree with you on Packer matters, but not this. I think Grant has lost a step. When we see longer game action it will become apparent.

Lost a step...based on what?The couple runs to the edges he had the other day for 5-6 yards?

I have seen absolutely no evidence that he lost any step.

I watched Grant. He looked strong and was seeking contact. He is no doubt the bst RB on this team. Starks is a marginal talent. Grant takes this offense to a higher level and takes more pressure off Rodgers and the passing game.

Grant is now becoming a value pick if you can be patient in the draft and see him slip into the 6th round.

 

[sho nuff]

I watched Grant. He looked strong and was seeking contact. He is no doubt the bst RB on this team. Starks is a marginal talent. Grant takes this offense to a higher level and takes more pressure off Rodgers and the passing game.

Grant is now becoming a value pick if you can be patient in the draft and see him slip into the 6th round.

Now here I will disagree with you big time.In addition, Green is showing some burst and if he gets the blitz pick ups down, he will be a weapon on this offense.

But to start the year, Grant will be the man...IMO...Starks will be taking the majority of the carries by the end of the year.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I wouldn't be surprised if it happened. They won the Super Bowl without him. Would be hard to justify that cap number.

$3.5 MM isn't that much for a starting RB and they already paid him a $1.5 MM roster bonus earlier this offseason. Since they are paying the other RBs peanuts it would seem odd to cut Grant now after he's been running with the first team when he could at least be solid depth.

 

[sho nuff]

I wouldn't be surprised if it happened. They won the Super Bowl without him. Would be hard to justify that cap number.

$3.5 MM isn't that much for a starting RB and they already paid him a $1.5 MM roster bonus earlier this offseason. Since they are paying the other RBs peanuts it would seem odd to cut Grant now after he's been running with the first team when he could at least be solid depth.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

If Grant were cut he would be on the Detroit starting roster before he could even get out of the Green Bay parking lot.

Honestly, this might be the major factor in making this NOT likelyHaving said that, my guess is TT is considering cutting Grant. As another poster said, the Packers wont he SB without Grant all season....the majority of which Brandon Jackson was starting. Let me repeat that - BRANDON JACKSON got them through their SB winning season (albeit Starks took them through the playoffs)

Given that the Packers have some big name players coming up on FA (Sitton, Finley, etc.) cap space is definitely a concern.

It would not at all surprise me to see TT cut Grant, sign a RB from another teams 53 player cuts and then use the saved cash to sign Sitton and FInley to in-season extensions.

I think people forget that they were very close to not even making the playoffs last season and needed help at the end of the year just to get in.

 

[PahtyTom]

http://thesidelineview.com/columns/caplans-nfl-corner/source-packers-restructure-grants-contract

The Green Bay Packers have restructured the contract of veteran RB Ryan Grant’s contract, thesidelineview.com has learned.

Grant, who was to earn $3.5 million in base salary for 2011, had his base salary cut to $2.5 million earlier this month, a source confirmed.

Grant, who is on the final year of his contract, had a $1 million roster bonus due on the 15th day of the new league year on his previous deal plus $750,000 in total per game roster bonuses ($46,875/game). Grant has the same exact amount ($1.75 million) in bonuses due in the new contract, but it’s not known if the bonus structure is the same or if the roster bonus has been paid or if the date has been pushed back.

Grant’s salary cap number has been trimmed from $5.65 million to roughly $3.87 million.

RB Dimitri Nance, according to a local report, could push Grant off the roster this season.

Should Grant be released, second-year RB James Starks figures to have the best chance to start, with Nance and rookie Alex Green also pushing for carries and snaps.

just saw Grant restructured his deal

 

[Todem]

I watched Grant. He looked strong and was seeking contact. He is no doubt the bst RB on this team. Starks is a marginal talent. Grant takes this offense to a higher level and takes more pressure off Rodgers and the passing game.

Grant is now becoming a value pick if you can be patient in the draft and see him slip into the 6th round.

Now here I will disagree with you big time.In addition, Green is showing some burst and if he gets the blitz pick ups down, he will be a weapon on this offense.

But to start the year, Grant will be the man...IMO...Starks will be taking the majority of the carries by the end of the year.

He runs hard. I just don't see him as a top flight NFL RB. He also runs even more straight up than Ryan. But your much closer to the situation.

Your that high on Starks?

 

[GroveDiesel]

http://thesidelineview.com/columns/caplans-nfl-corner/source-packers-restructure-grants-contract

The Green Bay Packers have restructured the contract of veteran RB Ryan Grant’s contract, thesidelineview.com has learned. Grant, who was to earn $3.5 million in base salary for 2011, had his base salary cut to $2.5 million earlier this month, a source confirmed. Grant, who is on the final year of his contract, had a $1 million roster bonus due on the 15th day of the new league year on his previous deal plus $750,000 in total per game roster bonuses ($46,875/game). Grant has the same exact amount ($1.75 million) in bonuses due in the new contract, but it’s not known if the bonus structure is the same or if the roster bonus has been paid or if the date has been pushed back. Grant’s salary cap number has been trimmed from $5.65 million to roughly $3.87 million. RB Dimitri Nance, according to a local report, could push Grant off the roster this season. Should Grant be released, second-year RB James Starks figures to have the best chance to start, with Nance and rookie Alex Green also pushing for carries and snaps.

just saw Grant restructured his deal

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