Could we have TEN future HOF QBs playing this year? (1 Viewer)

[Raider Nation]

Locks and near-locks

Brady

Brees

Rodgers

Rivers

P. Manning

E. Manning

Roethlisberger

It's early, but all the potential is there

Newton

Stafford

Luck (Yeah... you heard me! He's bust-proof and will post monster stats for 15 years)

 

[Trey]

In what world is Philip Rivers a near lock for the HOF?

 

[Sebowski]

Locks and near-locks

Brady

Brees

Rodgers

Rivers

P. Manning

E. Manning

Roethlisberger

It's early, but all the potential is there

Newton

Stafford

Luck (Yeah... you heard me! He's bust-proof and will post monster stats for 15 years)

RG3(Yeah... you heard me! He's bust-proof and will post monster stats for 15 years)

 

[Ghost Rider]

Rivers is a near-lock? No way. Not until he wins or at least plays in a Super Bowl. He doesn't have the advantage of playing in NY, Boston or Pittsburgh to drum up extra support. He has the stats, but doesn't have the playoffs success or play in the right city to be considered a near-lock right now.

 

[Raider Nation]

In what world is Philip Rivers a near lock for the HOF?

Rivers is a near-lock? No way.

I don't know what you guys have been watching, but he's almost certainly getting in.

 

[David Yudkin]

LOCKS

Brady

Brees

P. Manning

OFF TO GOOD STARTS

Rodgers

Rivers

E. Manning

Roethlisberger

Way too soon to really consider the other guys.

As far as good starts group goes, Rodgers certainly has been phenomenal so far, but one major injury and he could become a different player. Rivers has put up excellent numbers but hasn't won anything and SD in many years has been a major disappointment. Eli and Ben obviously have a couple of rings, but neither one has gotten much recogniztion in terms of MVP balloting, Pro Bowl selections, or rankings at the top of the yearly passing categories. If they play out their careers at a decent level with above average stats they should make it, but if they never played again I don't think they would make it.

 

[Raider Nation]

Locks and near-locks

Brady

Brees

Rodgers

Rivers

P. Manning

E. Manning

Roethlisberger

It's early, but all the potential is there

Newton

Stafford

Luck (Yeah... you heard me! He's bust-proof and will post monster stats for 15 years)

RG3(Yeah... you heard me! He's bust-proof and will post monster stats for 15 years)

I respectfully disagree.Griffin's bust potential is exponentially higher than Luck's, based solely on his style of play.

 

[Raider Nation]

LOCKS

Brady

Brees

P. Manning

OFF TO GOOD STARTS

Rodgers

Rivers

E. Manning

Roethlisberger

Way too soon to really consider the other guys.

Of course. But I'm trying to project how many future HOF'ers are playing at the same time.For that task, we must go out on the ledge a bit.

 

[Raider Nation]

Rivers has put up excellent numbers but hasn't won anything Eli and Ben obviously have a couple of rings, but...

So are rings important or aren't they?

 

[Ghost Rider]

In what world is Philip Rivers a near lock for the HOF?

Rivers is a near-lock? No way.

I don't know what you guys have been watching, but he's almost certainly getting in.

Who is the last QB to get in with limited playoff success? Possibly Warren Moon (only three playoff wins, same as Rivers), but he had the first black QB thing going for him; Rivers does not. Rivers needs some deep playoff runs to solidify his position as a HOF near-lock, especially since all of the other elite QBs of his era have SB wins. If Rivers does down as the only great QB of his era without a ring, while Brees, Rodgers, Peyton, Brady, Eli, Warner, Roethlisberger, etc. all have rings, he'll have a tough time getting in. Fair or not, playoff success is a HUGE thing when talking about a QB's overall greatness.

 

[Fensalk]

Ok don't laugh, but let's think about Tim Tebow for a moment. Completely unorthodox QB. But he willed the Broncos to massively overachieve last year. They had no business being in the second round of the playoffs. Let's imagine the guy becomes a decent passer, and continues to will future teams to overachieve. What happened last year then is not a fluke, it was a sign of things to come.

Anytime a young QB can do something special like Tebow did, I won't count him out.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Ok don't laugh, but let's think about Tim Tebow for a moment. Completely unorthodox QB. But he willed the Broncos to massively overachieve last year. They had no business being in the second round of the playoffs. Let's imagine the guy becomes a decent passer, and continues to will future teams to overachieve. What happened last year then is not a fluke, it was a sign of things to come.Anytime a young QB can do something special like Tebow did, I won't count him out.

Okay, I thought about Tebow for a moment. Now that that's over.. (And I am someone who has never been majorly pro or anti-Tebow when it comes to assessing his play on the field).

 

[socrates]

Ok don't laugh, but let's think about Tim Tebow for a moment. Completely unorthodox QB. But he willed the Broncos to massively overachieve last year. They had no business being in the second round of the playoffs. Let's imagine the guy becomes a decent passer, and continues to will future teams to overachieve. What happened last year then is not a fluke, it was a sign of things to come.Anytime a young QB can do something special like Tebow did, I won't count him out.

The Tebow love is out of hand . . .

 

[David Yudkin]

Rivers has put up excellent numbers but hasn't won anything Eli and Ben obviously have a couple of rings, but...

So are rings important or aren't they?

IMO, two rings is not a lock to make the HOF. If either of these two played for a lot more years, posted a sub .500 record each year, and posted below average annual stats or with a lot of turnovers, I don't think that helps their cause. Again IMO, other than their rings, their other credentials are mostly non existent. They don't have eye popping stats, they generally have been ignored in MVP balloting, they have not been regular All Pro or Pro Bowl winners, etc. I realize saying they "just" won two Super Bowls sounds a bit whacky and makes it sound like it's easy to accomplish, but the rest of what I said rings true. Maybe that matters, maybe it doesn't . . .

 

[Raider Nation]

Rivers needs some deep playoff runs to solidify his position as a HOF near-lock

It didn't hurt Marino.What if I told you that Dan's stats aren't that much more impressive than Rivers' after six full seasons as starters? Marino has a grand more passing yards or so and a good chunk more TDs, but he also threw way more interceptions than Rivers.Obviously I am no Rivers fan. But it's pretty clear that 4-5 more seasons at his current level and it's a mere formality.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

If Rivers can continue to play at his 2008-2010 pace for a few more years he most definitely should get in regardless of whether or not he wins a Superbowl.

 

[David Yudkin]

Rivers needs some deep playoff runs to solidify his position as a HOF near-lock

It didn't hurt Marino.What if I told you that Dan's stats aren't that much more impressive than Rivers' after six full seasons as starters? Marino has a grand more passing yards or so and a good chunk more TDs, but he also threw way more interceptions than Rivers.Obviously I am no Rivers fan. But it's pretty clear that 4-5 more seasons at his current level and it's a mere formality.

You're better than this. When Marino put up the numbers he did, NO ONE was putting up numbers like that. While Rivers isn't exactly a dime a dozen QB, many QBs are putting up big numbers each and every year.Kerry Collins has numbers that approach Marino's. Should he get in? You have to look at what each guy did IN HIS OWN ERA, not what they did 20-30 years later.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Rivers needs some deep playoff runs to solidify his position as a HOF near-lock

It didn't hurt Marino.What if I told you that Dan's stats aren't that much more impressive than Rivers' after six full seasons as starters? Marino has a grand more passing yards or so and a good chunk more TDs, but he also threw way more interceptions than Rivers.

Obviously I am no Rivers fan. But it's pretty clear that 4-5 more seasons at his current level and it's a mere formality.

I would remind you that most people know that comparing players from different eras never works. Marino put up astronomical numbers back when they weren't the norm; Rivers is putting up great numbers in an era where multiple QBs are throwing 40 TD passes in a season and nearly 1/3 of th starters are throwing for 4,000 yards in a season.

 

[Raider Nation]

I would counter-argue. Marino was putting up those numbers in part because no other team was throwing the ball that prolifically. Defenses these days are fully prepared for air assaults. They would see a passing attack like Marino's once a year, if that. In the 80s, teams were lucky if they had one capable cornerback.

 

[David Yudkin]

Let's look at the 2 SB ring thing a different way. Say any of the following wins 2 rings in the next few years:

Ryan Fitzgerald - BUF

Matt Schaub - HOU

Alex Smith - SF

Joe Flacco - BAL

Matt Hasselbeck - TEN

Mike Vick - PHI

Carson Palmer - OAK

Would those guys become lock HOFers if they won back to back titles?

 

[Sebowski]

Locks and near-locks

Brady

Brees

Rodgers

Rivers

P. Manning

E. Manning

Roethlisberger

It's early, but all the potential is there

Newton

Stafford

Luck (Yeah... you heard me! He's bust-proof and will post monster stats for 15 years)

RG3(Yeah... you heard me! He's bust-proof and will post monster stats for 15 years)

I respectfully disagree.Griffin's bust potential is exponentially higher than Luck's, based solely on his style of play.

His work ethic and intelligence won't let it happen. Also, he isn't an option/running QB. He is just mobile and athletic enough to run when it's called for.

You might appreciate this. His dad idolized Kenny Stabler and had RG3 study him to try and create more time in the pocket.

 

[Raider Nation]

Let's look at the 2 SB ring thing a different way. Say any of the following wins 2 rings in the next few years:Ryan Fitzgerald - BUFMatt Schaub - HOUAlex Smith - SFJoe Flacco - BALMatt Hasselbeck - TENMike Vick - PHICarson Palmer - OAKWould those guys become lock HOFers if they won back to back titles?

I get your point, but you're being a bit ridiculous.It's not as if Ben and Eli SUCK aside from their two rings.

 

[Raider Nation]

Locks and near-locks

Brady

Brees

Rodgers

Rivers

P. Manning

E. Manning

Roethlisberger

It's early, but all the potential is there

Newton

Stafford

Luck (Yeah... you heard me! He's bust-proof and will post monster stats for 15 years)

RG3(Yeah... you heard me! He's bust-proof and will post monster stats for 15 years)

I respectfully disagree.Griffin's bust potential is exponentially higher than Luck's, based solely on his style of play.

His work ethic and intelligence won't let it happen. Also, he isn't an option/running QB. He is just mobile and athletic enough to run when it's called for.

You might appreciate this. His dad idolized Kenny Stabler and had RG3 study him to try and create more time in the pocket.

I'm very impressed with the kid and meant no disrespect with the bust potential comment.It's just that Luck is the classic pocket passer with the highest QB grade since Elway. If I have to put my money on one of them not living up to expectations, it has to be Griffin.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I would counter-argue. Marino was putting up those numbers in part because no other team was throwing the ball that prolifically. Defenses these days are fully prepared for air assaults. They would see a passing attack like Marino's once a year, if that. In the 80s, teams were lucky if they had one capable cornerback.

I would counter-argue that it was amazing Marino put up the numbers he did despite having not much of a running game or any future HOFers at the skill positions, unlike Rivers, who had Tomlinson and his prime for several years plus a HOF lock in Antonio Gates to help him out on offense. Also, let me know when Rivers finished in the top 2 in TD passes five seasons in a row or leads the league in passing yards in four out of five seasons.

Let's look at the 2 SB ring thing a different way. Say any of the following wins 2 rings in the next few years:

Ryan Fitzgerald - BUF

Matt Schaub - HOU

Alex Smith - SF

Joe Flacco - BAL

Matt Hasselbeck - TEN

Mike Vick - PHI

Carson Palmer - OAK

Would those guys become lock HOFers if they won back to back titles?

Probably not, but it all depends on how they played in those two seasons, especially in the playoffs. For example, if a guy like Schaub, who has very good numbers in his career thus far, puts up two great statistical seasons and has two great postseasons on the way to two titles, he could very well enter the conversation. It's all just speculation, of course.In the case of Eli and Ben right now, I'd give Eli the slight edge simply because he has two SB MVP awards to Ben's zero, and Roethlisberger has never won a playoff game when he didn't have a top 5 defense, while Eli won the Super Bowl last year with the 27th ranked D.

 

[Raider Nation]

I would counter-argue. Marino was putting up those numbers in part because no other team was throwing the ball that prolifically. Defenses these days are fully prepared for air assaults. They would see a passing attack like Marino's once a year, if that. In the 80s, teams were lucky if they had one capable cornerback.

I would counter-argue that it was amazing Marino put up the numbers he did despite having not much of a running game or any future HOFers at the skill positions, unlike Rivers, who had Tomlinson and his prime for several years plus a HOF lock in Antonio Gates to help him out on offense.

You get to mention Gates. Were Duper, Clayton and Fryar garbage?

 

[David Yudkin]

Let's look at the 2 SB ring thing a different way. Say any of the following wins 2 rings in the next few years:Ryan Fitzgerald - BUFMatt Schaub - HOUAlex Smith - SFJoe Flacco - BALMatt Hasselbeck - TENMike Vick - PHICarson Palmer - OAKWould those guys become lock HOFers if they won back to back titles?

I get your point, but you're being a bit ridiculous.It's not as if Ben and Eli SUCK aside from their two rings.

Eli has been to 2 Pro Bowls in 8 seasons. 0 All Pros, 0 regular season MVPs.His best single season ranking was 4th in passing yards, 4th in passing TD, 4th in YPA, 9th in completion%, and 7th in passer rating.He's had a 69-50 record as a starter in the regular season (not excatly jaw dropping).Clearly his big selling points are his 2 SB victories and SB MVPs.Bottom line for Eli, a case could be made that he might not have been a Top 5 QB in any individual season so far in his career. Maybe he will repeat his 2011 performance from here on out, but here to for without his SB rings I doubt anyone would be clamoring that he was a legit HOF candidate.If he continues to put up decent numbers, ends with some high ranking career numbers, keeps winning a fair percentage of his starts, I agree that by the time he is done he will probably merit HOF consideration (although it could certainly be argued that he was never a force at QB compared to his peers). He did have two of the greatest season ending SB runs in recent memory, and that could trump everything else.Ben also has been to 2 Pro Bowls in 8 seasons. 0 All Pros, 0 regular season MVPs.His best single season ranking was 7th in passing yards, 3rd in passing TD, 1st in YPA, 4th in completion%, and 2nd in passer rating.He's had an 80-33 record as a starter (which is excellent), but some would argue the defense has played a bigger role in winning than Ben has.Unlike Eli, he has not won 2 SB MVP awards. He's also had a lot of off field issues.(I get that the Steelers were not a classic pass all day long team and that repressed his overall stats, so we don't need a lengthy debate on that.)MAYBE Roelisberger at some point bordered as being a Top 5 QB . . . but I don't think many people would say he's consistently been one of the Top 3-5 QB in the league.I don't know what makes a HOF QB, but IMO, it should be someone that was considered in the Top 3-5 for at least 10 years. Maybe my definition is way off base, but both Ben and Eli would be borderline in my book. Maybe the HOF voters have a different approach and maybe they are close to locks, who knows.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I would counter-argue. Marino was putting up those numbers in part because no other team was throwing the ball that prolifically. Defenses these days are fully prepared for air assaults. They would see a passing attack like Marino's once a year, if that. In the 80s, teams were lucky if they had one capable cornerback.

I would counter-argue that it was amazing Marino put up the numbers he did despite having not much of a running game or any future HOFers at the skill positions, unlike Rivers, who had Tomlinson and his prime for several years plus a HOF lock in Antonio Gates to help him out on offense.

You get to mention Gates. Were Duper, Clayton and Fryar garbage?

Nope, but they weren't future HOFers, which was my point. Don't try pulling a Skip Bayless on me here.

 

[Raider Nation]

Let's look at the 2 SB ring thing a different way. Say any of the following wins 2 rings in the next few years:Ryan Fitzgerald - BUFMatt Schaub - HOUAlex Smith - SFJoe Flacco - BALMatt Hasselbeck - TENMike Vick - PHICarson Palmer - OAKWould those guys become lock HOFers if they won back to back titles?

I get your point, but you're being a bit ridiculous.It's not as if Ben and Eli SUCK aside from their two rings.

Eli has been to 2 Pro Bowls in 8 seasons. 0 All Pros, 0 regular season MVPs.His best single season ranking was 4th in passing yards, 4th in passing TD, 4th in YPA, 9th in completion%, and 7th in passer rating.He's had a 69-50 record as a starter in the regular season (not excatly jaw dropping).Clearly his big selling points are his 2 SB victories and SB MVPs.Bottom line for Eli, a case could be made that he might not have been a Top 5 QB in any individual season so far in his career. Maybe he will repeat his 2011 performance from here on out, but here to for without his SB rings I doubt anyone would be clamoring that he was a legit HOF candidate.If he continues to put up decent numbers, ends with some high ranking career numbers, keeps winning a fair percentage of his starts, I agree that by the time he is done he will probably merit HOF consideration (although it could certainly be argued that he was never a force at QB compared to his peers). He did have two of the greatest season ending SB runs in recent memory, and that could trump everything else.Ben also has been to 2 Pro Bowls in 8 seasons. 0 All Pros, 0 regular season MVPs.His best single season ranking was 7th in passing yards, 3rd in passing TD, 1st in YPA, 4th in completion%, and 2nd in passer rating.He's had an 80-33 record as a starter (which is excellent), but some would argue the defense has played a bigger role in winning than Ben has.Unlike Eli, he has not won 2 SB MVP awards. He's also had a lot of off field issues.(I get that the Steelers were not a classic pass all day long team and that repressed his overall stats, so we don't need a lengthy debate on that.)MAYBE Roelisberger at some point bordered as being a Top 5 QB . . . but I don't think many people would say he's consistently been one of the Top 3-5 QB in the league.I don't know what makes a HOF QB, but IMO, it should be someone that was considered in the Top 3-5 for at least 10 years. Maybe my definition is way off base, but both Ben and Eli would be borderline in my book. Maybe the HOF voters have a different approach and maybe they are close to locks, who knows.

Fair points. However, prior to the arrival of Nicks (and Cruz's breakthrough last year), where was Eli's big weapon in the passing game? Same with Ben. Wallace only showed up a couple years back. Since '04, Ben had Holmes (hot and cold) and Ward, who was largely a possession receiver.Contrast that to some of the weapons the "lock" HOF QBs have enjoyed.

 

[flc735]

Ok don't laugh, but let's think about Tim Tebow for a moment. Completely unorthodox QB. But he willed the Broncos to massively overachieve last year. They had no business being in the second round of the playoffs. Let's imagine the guy becomes a decent passer, and continues to will future teams to overachieve. What happened last year then is not a fluke, it was a sign of things to come.Anytime a young QB can do something special like Tebow did, I won't count him out.

he would need to win at least 3 superbowls as the starting qb to have a chancethe standard for qb's getting in is raising. steve young only passed for 4k yards once. if he put up those stats today, he wouldn't sniff the hall of fame.it's all relative to their era. at the same time, the typical stats an rb would have to put up to get in will be much less in the future than it was in the pastpeyton, rodgers, brees and brady are locksi would need to see another superbowl and/or a big step up in production for eli or rothy to get inrivers, cam and stafford are a looooong way offluck is bust proof, he's already been running an nfl offense in collegerg3 is certainly not bust proof. he'll be good in ff because of his legs but i would be surprised if he became an elite nfl qb

 

[The Big Donkey]

Let's look at the 2 SB ring thing a different way. Say any of the following wins 2 rings in the next few years:Ryan Fitzgerald - BUFMatt Schaub - HOUAlex Smith - SFJoe Flacco - BALMatt Hasselbeck - TENMike Vick - PHICarson Palmer - OAKWould those guys become lock HOFers if they won back to back titles?

I get your point, but you're being a bit ridiculous.It's not as if Ben and Eli SUCK aside from their two rings.

Eli has been to 2 Pro Bowls in 8 seasons. 0 All Pros, 0 regular season MVPs.His best single season ranking was 4th in passing yards, 4th in passing TD, 4th in YPA, 9th in completion%, and 7th in passer rating.He's had a 69-50 record as a starter in the regular season (not excatly jaw dropping).Clearly his big selling points are his 2 SB victories and SB MVPs.Bottom line for Eli, a case could be made that he might not have been a Top 5 QB in any individual season so far in his career. Maybe he will repeat his 2011 performance from here on out, but here to for without his SB rings I doubt anyone would be clamoring that he was a legit HOF candidate.If he continues to put up decent numbers, ends with some high ranking career numbers, keeps winning a fair percentage of his starts, I agree that by the time he is done he will probably merit HOF consideration (although it could certainly be argued that he was never a force at QB compared to his peers). He did have two of the greatest season ending SB runs in recent memory, and that could trump everything else.Ben also has been to 2 Pro Bowls in 8 seasons. 0 All Pros, 0 regular season MVPs.His best single season ranking was 7th in passing yards, 3rd in passing TD, 1st in YPA, 4th in completion%, and 2nd in passer rating.He's had an 80-33 record as a starter (which is excellent), but some would argue the defense has played a bigger role in winning than Ben has.Unlike Eli, he has not won 2 SB MVP awards. He's also had a lot of off field issues.(I get that the Steelers were not a classic pass all day long team and that repressed his overall stats, so we don't need a lengthy debate on that.)MAYBE Roelisberger at some point bordered as being a Top 5 QB . . . but I don't think many people would say he's consistently been one of the Top 3-5 QB in the league.I don't know what makes a HOF QB, but IMO, it should be someone that was considered in the Top 3-5 for at least 10 years. Maybe my definition is way off base, but both Ben and Eli would be borderline in my book. Maybe the HOF voters have a different approach and maybe they are close to locks, who knows.

http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2012/02/08/eli-manning-nfls-greatest-quarterback-in-playoff-road-games/

 

[The Kerminator]

Locks and near-locks

Brady

Brees

Rodgers

Rivers

P. Manning

E. Manning

Roethlisberger

It's early, but all the potential is there

Newton

Stafford

Luck (Yeah... you heard me! He's bust-proof and will post monster stats for 15 years)

Brady and P. Manning are locks. Brees and Rodgers are near locks barring an injury to shorten their careers.E. Manning and Roethlisberger are good bets based on their Super Bowls.

Rivers needs to do more and have more success in the playoffs. I would put Romo in the same category as Rivers.

As far as Stafford, Newton, Luck . . . you're right, it's still early and the potential is there. But you could say that about any QB in the NFL. Vick? Give him a couple of Super Bowls and he could be worthy. Ryan? Same thing. Luck hasn't even played a down yet . . . not even pre-season and we are to project a HOF career?

 

[David Yudkin]

http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2012/02/08/eli-manning-nfls-greatest-quarterback-in-playoff-road-games/

I hope people realize that most QBs on elite teams earned home games and didn't need to win a ton of road games. Put another way, Eli could be matched or surpassed by Joe Flacco or Mark Sanchez next year. Eli is 1-2 at home . . . hardly anything to write home about.

 

[Raider Nation]

Luck hasn't even played a down yet . . . not even pre-season and we are to project a HOF career?

Yes. Again... for this exercise, I was forced to make projections. After all, this is a fantasy football board. It's what we do all day.

 

[dgreen]

10 in one season has happened before.

1937: 1

1938: 1

1939: 2

1940: 2

1941: 2

1942: 2

1943: 2

1944: 2

1945: 3

1946: 4

1947: 4

1948: 6

1949: 9

1950: 9

1951: 8

1952: 8

1953: 6

1954: 6

1955: 6

1956: 6

1957: 8

1958: 8

1959: 8

1960: 8

1961: 8

1962: 8

1963: 7

1964: 7

1965: 7

1966: 7

1967: 8

1968: 8

1969: 9

1970: 10

1971: 10

1972: 9

1973: 10

1974: 9

1975: 8

1976: 6

1977: 6

1978: 5

1979: 5

1980: 4

1981: 3

1982: 3

1983: 5

1984: 5

1985: 6

1986: 7

1987: 7

1988: 6

1989: 7

1990: 7

1991: 7

1992: 7

1993: 7

1994: 7

1995: 6

1996: 6

1997: 5

1998: 5

1999: 4

2000: 2

1970-1973 was clearly the Golden Age of Passing.

 

[Raider Nation]

Good info.

At the risk of sounding lazy, got names to go with those three "10" years?

 

[dgreen]

1970 and 1971:

George Blanda

Bart Starr

Johnny Unitas

Sonny Jurgensen

Len Dawson

Fran Tarkenton

Joe Namath

Bob Griese

Roger Staubach

Terry Bradshaw

1973:

George Blanda

Johnny Unitas

Sonny Jurgensen

Len Dawson

Fran Tarkenton

Joe Namath

Bob Griese

Roger Staubach

Terry Bradshaw

Dan Fouts

I didn't look into how much they played. I just used everyone's start and end year to determine if they "played" in any given year.

 

[Raider Nation]

Interesting, thanks. We all know that Namath doesn't really count, so I'll go with nine for those years.

 

[The Big Donkey]

http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2012/02/08/eli-manning-nfls-greatest-quarterback-in-playoff-road-games/

I hope people realize that most QBs on elite teams earned home games and didn't need to win a ton of road games. Put another way, Eli could be matched or surpassed by Joe Flacco or Mark Sanchez next year. Eli is 1-2 at home . . . hardly anything to write home about.

Eli 2 Hollywood Tom 0

 

[Fensalk]

Ok don't laugh, but let's think about Tim Tebow for a moment. Completely unorthodox QB. But he willed the Broncos to massively overachieve last year. They had no business being in the second round of the playoffs. Let's imagine the guy becomes a decent passer, and continues to will future teams to overachieve. What happened last year then is not a fluke, it was a sign of things to come.Anytime a young QB can do something special like Tebow did, I won't count him out.

he would need to win at least 3 superbowls as the starting qb to have a chancethe standard for qb's getting in is raising. steve young only passed for 4k yards once. if he put up those stats today, he wouldn't sniff the hall of fame.it's all relative to their era. at the same time, the typical stats an rb would have to put up to get in will be much less in the future than it was in the pastpeyton, rodgers, brees and brady are locksi would need to see another superbowl and/or a big step up in production for eli or rothy to get inrivers, cam and stafford are a looooong way offluck is bust proof, he's already been running an nfl offense in collegerg3 is certainly not bust proof. he'll be good in ff because of his legs but i would be surprised if he became an elite nfl qb

I think the two paths to greatness for a QB is to either put up gaudy stats or consistently put the team on his shoulders and carry them far beyond their talent level. Tebow did the latter last year. Once a player shows me tremendous heart like that, I consider him a special player. I think we'll see it again at some point.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Rivers needs some deep playoff runs to solidify his position as a HOF near-lock

It didn't hurt Marino.

You didnt just make that comparison did you?

 

[Raider Nation]

Rivers needs some deep playoff runs to solidify his position as a HOF near-lock

It didn't hurt Marino.

You didnt just make that comparison did you?

Strictly talking numbers, GB. If you placed Rivers' first six full years side-by-side with Marino's first six full years and left the names off, nobody would think it's silly.

 

[Beerguzzler]

Locks and near-locks

Brady

Brees

Rodgers

Rivers

P. Manning

E. Manning

Roethlisberger

It's early, but all the potential is there

Newton

Stafford

Luck (Yeah... you heard me! He's bust-proof and will post monster stats for 15 years)

I think your list is pretty solid except the rookies/Newton - let them play 5 years at least. Even as a Charger fan I can't say Rivers is a lock, but he does have the stats to get in if he plays 5-6 more years as he probably will. I, like every other Charger fan, would like to see some playoff success.

 

[Raider Nation]

I think your list is pretty solid except the rookies/Newton - let them play 5 years at least.

Thanks, but I wish people would understand the point of this exercise.If there was a generic "Who is on track for the Hall of Fame?" thread, I wouldn't have mentioned Stafford, Newton or Luck. But for the purposes of this thread ("Will there be 10 future Hall-of-Famers playing this fall?"), I have to go out on the limb and make some gut calls.

 

[Tau837]

Rivers needs some deep playoff runs to solidify his position as a HOF near-lock

It didn't hurt Marino.

You didnt just make that comparison did you?

Strictly talking numbers, GB. If you placed Rivers' first six full years side-by-side with Marino's first six full years and left the names off, nobody would think it's silly.

Anyone who knew they played more than 20 years apart would think it's silly. And I say that as the biggest Rivers fan in this forum.

 

[Raider Nation]

Rivers needs some deep playoff runs to solidify his position as a HOF near-lock

It didn't hurt Marino.

You didnt just make that comparison did you?

Strictly talking numbers, GB. If you placed Rivers' first six full years side-by-side with Marino's first six full years and left the names off, nobody would think it's silly.

Anyone who knew they played more than 20 years apart would think it's silly. And I say that as the biggest Rivers fan in this forum.

It was 15 years from the end of Marino's career to the start of Rivers'. We're not exactly talking Y.A. Tittle here.

 

[Tau837]

Rivers needs some deep playoff runs to solidify his position as a HOF near-lock

It didn't hurt Marino.

You didnt just make that comparison did you?

Strictly talking numbers, GB. If you placed Rivers' first six full years side-by-side with Marino's first six full years and left the names off, nobody would think it's silly.

Anyone who knew they played more than 20 years apart would think it's silly. And I say that as the biggest Rivers fan in this forum.

It was 15 years from the end of Marino's career to the start of Rivers'. We're not exactly talking Y.A. Tittle here.

You chose to compare their first 6 seasons, which are more than 20 years apart. No offense, but you're coming off as being pretty clueless on this line of thinking.

 

[Raider Nation]

Rivers needs some deep playoff runs to solidify his position as a HOF near-lock

It didn't hurt Marino.

You didnt just make that comparison did you?

Strictly talking numbers, GB. If you placed Rivers' first six full years side-by-side with Marino's first six full years and left the names off, nobody would think it's silly.

Anyone who knew they played more than 20 years apart would think it's silly. And I say that as the biggest Rivers fan in this forum.

It was 15 years from the end of Marino's career to the start of Rivers'. We're not exactly talking Y.A. Tittle here.

You chose to compare their first 6 seasons, which are more than 20 years apart. No offense, but you're coming off as being pretty clueless on this line of thinking.

Why would I possibly take offense to that?

 

[stewartcjae]

Rivers needs some deep playoff runs to solidify his position as a HOF near-lock

It didn't hurt Marino.

You didnt just make that comparison did you?

Strictly talking numbers, GB. If you placed Rivers' first six full years side-by-side with Marino's first six full years and left the names off, nobody would think it's silly.

Problem I see with Rivers is that you could do the exact same thing with Romo's numbers. They are very similar. Rivers might have him beat in some categories, but its not far enough apart where you can grant one in on stats alone, and not the other. IMO

 

[Raider Nation]

Rivers needs some deep playoff runs to solidify his position as a HOF near-lock

It didn't hurt Marino.

You didnt just make that comparison did you?

Strictly talking numbers, GB. If you placed Rivers' first six full years side-by-side with Marino's first six full years and left the names off, nobody would think it's silly.

Problem I see with Rivers is that you could do the exact same thing with Romo's numbers. They are very similar. Rivers might have him beat in some categories, but its not far enough apart where you can grant one in on stats alone, and not the other. IMO

Without looking up Romo's career stats, I would have brushed this off as silly because he doesn't pass the eye test and he always seems to make mistakes at the worst time. But his stats are remarkably similar to Rivers. He is a couple years older than Philip though, and if his team keeps failing, you get the feeling Dallas may look for another option soon. I never get the feeling, however, that Rivers is replaceable.

 

[rizzler]

I know some of you HATE this...

But the HOF would need to be on bath salts to let Rivers in there as it stands now.