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Cowher: "Open competition" for Steelers Goal-line RB (1 Viewer)

Frenchy Fuqua

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FWP seems like a longshot here, but if he were to get goal-line carries he'd be a legit top 10 FF pick. Interestingly Tunch and Wolfley said yesterday that they believe FWP has put on 10 pounds from last season.

From the P-G:

That competition heats up tonight when the Steelers end their evening session at Latrobe Stadium with a live goal-line drill. Another is scheduled Saturday at Saint Vincent.

"We'll take a look at all those guys," Cowher said. "Verron, Duce, Cedric [Humes], even Willie. Jerome had been the guy the last couple years so there's open competition right now."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06214/710323-66.stm

 
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Ive been reading that Humes is in a similar mold as Bettis. Any chance he wins this this year? Whats his dynasty value either way?

 
Ive been reading that Humes is in a similar mold as Bettis. Any chance he wins this this year? Whats his dynasty value either way?
Barring injury I can't see Humes playing this year. The Steelers rotated 3 backs last year and Staley was inactive for most games. I think if the Steelers keep Humes he's likely to be inactive on game day unless Parker, Staley or Haynes is injured. Dynasty value, who knows? I know the Steelers were pleased to get him as late in the draft as they did. It will be interesting to see how he does in the preseason.
 
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The shark pick is Heath Miller. Look at this guy explode this year as the Steelers throw more in the red zone off play action fakes and boot legs.

 
:goodposting:

I look for Miller to step in and become the #2 pass-catching target on the team, now that Randle-El is gone.

 
even willie?
Cowher would not say "Open competition" except for Willie..... Willie has zero chance at winning this job. Nothing to see here at all ..... move on
Marcus Allen was one of the best goalline backs certainly not a big man. Why not Willie? he is certainly fast enough to beat the defenders to the corner and if the D takes that away he can fly over the top up the middle.
 
If Willie actually put on 10 lbs why wouldn't he get a shot at the GL? I never recalled Duce being a stellar GL back - or even staying healthy at all for that matter. If Willie even gets a few more GL carries this year his value could go a lot higher than he is being drafted!

 
even willie?
Cowher would not say "Open competition" except for Willie..... Willie has zero chance at winning this job. Nothing to see here at all ..... move on
Marcus Allen was one of the best goalline backs certainly not a big man. Why not Willie? he is certainly fast enough to beat the defenders to the corner and if the D takes that away he can fly over the top up the middle.
I assume you mean Allen was not "bulky". 6'2, 210 is a pretty big man. :-)
 
I never recalled Duce being a stellar GL back -
He never has been. The most rushing TDs he has ever had in a season is 5. Did that 3 times. Over his 9 seasons, he only has 24 rushing TDs. That's what always frustrated me when he was an Eagle.Combine that with his injuries, and I would say his chances to take Bettis' role are slim.
 
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I never recalled Duce being a stellar GL back -
He never has been. The most rushing TDs he has ever had in a season is 5. Did that 3 times. Over his 9 seasons, he only has 24 rushing TDs. That's what always frustrated me when he was an Eagle.Combine that with his injuries, and I would say his chances to take Bettis' role are slim.
But be careful not to conclude that Parker gets more goal-line touches if Staley is injured are not performing well in the role. Verron Haynes is much more likely than Parker to be the goal line RB in addition to his 3rd down role. I don't expect Cedric Humes (7th round pick) to be a factor but it's also a possibility.
 
I never recalled Duce being a stellar GL back -
He never has been. The most rushing TDs he has ever had in a season is 5. Did that 3 times. Over his 9 seasons, he only has 24 rushing TDs. That's what always frustrated me when he was an Eagle.Combine that with his injuries, and I would say his chances to take Bettis' role are slim.
But be careful not to conclude that Parker gets more goal-line touches if Staley is injured are not performing well in the role. Verron Haynes is much more likely than Parker to be the goal line RB in addition to his 3rd down role. I don't expect Cedric Humes (7th round pick) to be a factor but it's also a possibility.
I'm not assuming Parker gets them. I'm assuming Haynes will get most.
 
Ive been reading that Humes is in a similar mold as Bettis. Any chance he wins this this year? Whats his dynasty value either way?
Barring injury I can't see Humes playing this year. The Steelers rotated 3 backs last year and Staley was inactive for most games. I think if the Steelers keep Humes he's likely to be inactive on game day unless Parker, Staley or Haynes is injured. Dynasty value, who knows? I know the Steelers were pleased to get him as late in the draft as they did. It will be interesting to see how he does in the preseason.
Keep a sharp eye on Humes. I'd like to hear how practice is going for him from any of you going to camp.Staley has a hard time staying healthy and Haynes never really impressed anyone as a goal line back (more of a 3rd down/change of pace guy).Humes has alot to learn but if he can catch on here.. perfect system for a big RB.
 
even willie?
Cowher would not say "Open competition" except for Willie..... Willie has zero chance at winning this job. Nothing to see here at all ..... move on
Marcus Allen was one of the best goalline backs certainly not a big man. Why not Willie? he is certainly fast enough to beat the defenders to the corner and if the D takes that away he can fly over the top up the middle.
Because Cedric Humes squats 600 pounds to make sure his legs don't get tired
 
'D' silences trash-talking offense

By Mike Prisuta

TRIBUNE-REVIEW

Thursday, August 3, 2006

It didn't appear as if running back Verron Haynes had reached the end zone on fourth-and-goal from the 1-yard line Wednesday night at Memorial Stadium in Latrobe.

And it sounded as if there was no way Haynes could have broken the plane prior to fumbling; the blow he absorbed at the 1 was ferocious.

The only mystery surrounding the latest showdown of training camp between the Steelers' first-team offense and the first-team defense revolved around who actually made the tackle and forced the ball from Haynes' grasp.

No one on the defense was taking complete credit for the play at the conclusion of the first live goal-line drill of 2006.

"I don't think that was me," strong safety Troy Polamalu said. "I don't know who it was."

"I saw Farrior hit him," linebacker Larry Foote said. "Somebody came and finished him, but I saw Farrior hit him first."

So how about it, James?

"I don't know," Farrior said. "I hit something. I don't know what, though. It was kind of loud, so it might have been me.

"I'll take a little bit of it, not all of it."

Free safety Ryan Clark was the unidentified co-conspirator with Farrior, but that mattered little to the Steelers' defense.

Keeping the first-team offense out of the end zone meant everything.

"They've been talking a lot of trash, especially Verron," Foote said. "I'm happy he got a couple carries in there. He's been talking a lot, but you know he didn't score."

Offensive coordinator Ken Whisenhunt attacked with three tight ends (Heath Miller, Jerame Tuman and offensive tackle Trai Essex) and fullback Dan Kreider trying to pave the way for Duce Staley on first and second down and Haynes thereafter.

Defensive coordinator #### LeBeau countered with four linemen (Aaron Smith, Casey Hampton, Chris Hoke and Brett Keisel), four linebackers (Clark Haggans, Farrior, Foote and James Harrison) and three safeties (Mike Logan, Polamalu and Clark).

"They've been talking all week about how they were going to dominate and run the ball down our throats," Farrior said. "We just had to come out here and prove to them that we're still on top on this team."

The second-team offense scored on a play-action pass from quarterback Charlie Batch to fullback Branden Joe on second-and-goal.

"You can't do this enough," Steelers coach Bill Cowher said. "That's the first time we've hit (tackled) since the Super Bowl, to be honest with you. I think it got the juices going."

Mike Prisuta can be reached at mprisuta@tribweb.com or .
 
With Jerome Bettis retired, Cowher said Haynes, Humes, Staley and Parker all will get a chance at goal-line duties. Staley also has been seeing a good bit of time on third downs.

"Duce is a guy who really didn't have a training camp last year," said Cowher. "The more he's out here, the better he's going to get back to having a feel for the game. The year off has really invigorated him more than anything else. I like where he is."

 
I am drafting Haynes in every league as a 14th or 15th rounder....I think he can take over Bettis's role plus some. I dont see FWP getting 300 carries. Maybe similar to last season, but for some reason I have a gut feeling about Haynes that he can bust out and be a Bettis/Alstott-type.

 
I am drafting Haynes in every league as a 14th or 15th rounder....I think he can take over Bettis's role plus some. I dont see FWP getting 300 carries. Maybe similar to last season, but for some reason I have a gut feeling about Haynes that he can bust out and be a Bettis/Alstott-type.
Haynes impressed me last year every time he got the chance to play. If anything happens to FWP, I think Verron is the guy who takes over.
 
I never recalled Duce being a stellar GL back -
He never has been. The most rushing TDs he has ever had in a season is 5. Did that 3 times. Over his 9 seasons, he only has 24 rushing TDs. That's what always frustrated me when he was an Eagle.Combine that with his injuries, and I would say his chances to take Bettis' role are slim.
I think that Duce has a good shot as the GL back. One reason is that Haynes will likely win back the 3rd down job and still play a role on special teams, just like last season. This leaves the GL back role wide open for Duce or Humes. Also I think if Duce is only asked to carry the ball 7-10 times a game, he can stay healthy the entire seaon.Humes is really going to have to impress the coaches to win the job over Staley.
 
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I never recalled Duce being a stellar GL back -
He never has been. The most rushing TDs he has ever had in a season is 5. Did that 3 times. Over his 9 seasons, he only has 24 rushing TDs. That's what always frustrated me when he was an Eagle.Combine that with his injuries, and I would say his chances to take Bettis' role are slim.
I think that Duce has a good shot as the GL back. One reason is that Haynes will likely win back the 3rd down job and still play a role on special teams, just like last season. This leaves the GL back role wide open for Duce or Humes. Also I think if Duce is only asked to carry the ball 7-10 times a game, he can stay healthy the entire seaon.Humes is really going to have to impress the coaches to win the job over Staley.
Any reports on Humes yet?
 
The thing is, FWP got exactly 1 carry inside the 5 last season. He is starting from about zero, so everything he picks up is gravy. In 05, the Steelers ran 35 plays (outside of FG attempts) inside their opponents 5: They rushed for 13 TDs and Bettis accounted for 18 carries of those including 9 TDs. Thats huge. If Parker picks up even a quarter of the goalline carries it will be an opportunity to realistically score 3 or 4 more TDs. I do think the Steelers will look to throw the ball and use Roths legs more without Bettis, but there is still a gravy train of up for grabs FPs out there. If FWP is running with authority up and down the field and nobody else on the roster has looked sharp, why would he not see some shots inside the 5? Not saying its going to happen, but its certainly a plausible scenario. And again, thats just gravy because his projections assume he wont get those carries.

 
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From Washington Observor's columnist Dale Lolley (from his blog). Thanks to ACP for finding this.

http://www.o-ronline.net/weblog/football/

Of interest, however, was that Willie Parker's name has also been thrown into the short-yardage back debate.

Parker got the first two carries in the drill, being stopped for no gain on first down and a gain of three yards on second. Both runs were between the tackles.

Verron Haynes was stopped for a two-yard loss on third down and then failed to get into the end zone on a dive through the line to the 1 on fourth down.

Duce Staley was in the backfield with the second unit, which included linebacker James Harrison at fullback and defensive end Brett Keisel at tight end.

Staley carried for a one-yard gain on first down and Batch threw a four-yard TD pass to Harrison in the front corner of the end zone on second down to get the score. Keisel was also open in the back corner of the end zone on the play.
 
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This story is starting to get legs.

Not so fast: Haynes, Staley and Parker want Bettis' job

Sunday, August 06, 2006

By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The star of the Steelers' goal-line drills the previous two summers had to lobby his coaches to get back into the mix this year. Yesterday, Willie Parker reappeared at halfback as the live action started at the 5.

The message: Don't assume the job Jerome Bettis left automatically will go to either Verron Haynes or Duce Staley. Parker, who came from way behind in the pack a year ago to have one of the surprise seasons in the NFL with 1,202 yards rushing, wants it all.

"He's having probably as good a camp as anyone here," coach Bill Cowher said yesterday.

Parker did not score, gaining 3 yards on two carries, but he staked his claim and his coaches will consider it.

"He did such a good job for us last year and he's really shown, especially in this camp, that he's a strong inside runner," coordinator Ken Whisenhunt said. "So we wanted to give him an opportunity."

Parker scored last year and the year before, too, in the goal-line drills as the undrafted rookie from 2004 built his case to become the Steelers' starting halfback in his second season. But all last season, after Parker would help his offense deliver the ball inside the opponent's 5, on came The Bus to finish the trip. It's why Parker led the team with 1,202 yards, but scored just four touchdowns while Bettis ran for 368 yards and had nine scores.

Wednesday night, in the first goal-line drill of camp, Haynes and Staley got their chances, but not Parker. He told his coaches he'd like to stay on the field when the offense moves close to the end zone.

"If you're a running back," Parker said, "and you don't like goal-line [plays] and scoring touchdowns, I think you're in the wrong position or profession."

Parker will have chances to score touchdowns, and those could come on more occasions from 75 yards away rather than 5 yards. He ran that far early in the third quarter of the Super Bowl to stake the Steelers to a 14-3 lead against Seattle.

That record Super Bowl sprint guaranteed that Parker will be stuck with a nickname he never particularly embraced, Fast Willie Parker. Figuring if you can't beat them, join them, Parker had his representatives at Octagon trademark "Fast Willie." He's also what he calls a Verizon ambassador, pitching the company's high-speed Internet service, "Fast FIOS with Fast Willie Parker."

"I think it's a great deal, a great partnership, it's going to go a long ways," Parker said.

Ahh, but does Parker have that kind of longevity? It's a question he hears everywhere, although not to his face. It was about this time last year that he shot up the depth chart to become the team's starting halfback after early camp injuries to Staley and Bettis.

"If you think about Willie Parker a year ago at this camp," Cowher said. "He was probably the fourth back."

Then, he had to prove that, as an undrafted player who was fast and quick at 5 feet 10, 209 pounds, he could handle a season's worth of carries as a starter.

Now that he accomplished that with 225 carries and just 13/4 games missed out of 20, there is, as he says, "another question." And that is?

"Can he do it again?"

Parker added, "As long as I have something to prove,"

He no longer has to fight for a roster berth or beat anyone out for the starting job. Neither did the most productive season by a Steelers running back in the past five make him "the man" in Parker's eyes.

"Can I be a star?" Parker said, answering a question with a question. "The league is set up to put you up and then break you down. I can't even answer that question. I want to be a star in this league, but that's something I can't answer right now. The media builds you up and brings you down. That's the way life goes. That's just part of this game."

But Cowher talked yesterday as if he believes Parker can play better than he did during his breakout season of 2005.

"He has some confidence. You can see the way the kid's running, the way the kid's catching the ball, the way the kid's blocking," Cowher said.

Bettis, who mentored Parker and Haynes, is no longer in camp passing on lessons in football and life to the younger backs. Parker talks often with Bettis, who will work the NBC-TV studio for its Sunday night NFL games this season. The two chatted on the phone just before training camp started, talking nothing about football.

"What's the most important thing he passed on to me?" Parker wondered. "He passed on things way beyond football, about life, respect for others and things like that.

"I miss him a lot, but it's time for me to grow up from a football standpoint, move away from him."

Perhaps even take over his job at the goal line, too.

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(Ed Bouchette can be reached at ebouchette@post-gazette.com or 412-263-3878. )

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Being a good goaline back isn't just about bulk, it's about being able to hit a very small crease fast before it closes and relying on your momentum to carry you into the endzone. If it were all about bulk you'd just have your starting Right Tackle run it in every time. Willie Parker is the man here, girls.

 
Being a good goaline back isn't just about bulk, it's about being able to hit a very small crease fast before it closes and relying on your momentum to carry you into the endzone. If it were all about bulk you'd just have your starting Right Tackle run it in every time. Willie Parker is the man here, girls.
I hope you are right. If FWP were to get the bulk of the carries, be able to withstand the punishment, and get the goal-line looks, he'd by in the Top 10.
 
Being a good goaline back isn't just about bulk, it's about being able to hit a very small crease fast before it closes and relying on your momentum to carry you into the endzone. If it were all about bulk you'd just have your starting Right Tackle run it in every time.
:goodposting:
 
If this holds true it may be time to consider Willie as a late first rounder in non-PPR leagues.

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By Joe Starkey

TRIBUNE-REVIEW

Wednesday, August 23, 2006

...Cowher also said that starting tailback Willie Parker has a good chance to remain in games in short-yardage situations, as the team has not settled on a replacement for Jerome Bettis in such situations.
 
even willie?
Cowher would not say "Open competition" except for Willie..... Willie has zero chance at winning this job. Nothing to see here at all ..... move on
Marcus Allen was one of the best goalline backs certainly not a big man. Why not Willie? he is certainly fast enough to beat the defenders to the corner and if the D takes that away he can fly over the top up the middle.
I assume you mean Allen was not "bulky". 6'2, 210 is a pretty big man. :-)
Willie is listed as 5'9", 209 on the Steelers' website. He's not exactly Warrick Dunn (5'9", 180).
 
The shark pick is Heath Miller. Look at this guy explode this year as the Steelers throw more in the red zone off play action fakes and boot legs.
Play action and bootlegs only work if you can run the ball effectively inside the 10/red zone. I agree that Miller stands to benefit some, but not until the running game proves it can get it done down there.
 
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Training Camp Notebook: Parker to be goal-line back, at least for now

Thursday, August 24, 2006

By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Willie Parker will stay in the game when the Steelers near the goal line, at least to start the season. There will be no Jerome Bettis-like role this season unless somehow Verron Haynes or Duce Staley prove they can fill it. So far, they have not done that.

"If somebody starts to surface and becomes that guy, as the season goes on I wouldn't rule it out," Cowher said. "But I can't say right now there's been one person like there was with Jerome. And I don't think that's a bad thing. That's the way it was last year. This year's a different year."
 
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Training Camp Notebook: Parker to be goal-line back, at least for now

Thursday, August 24, 2006

By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Willie Parker will stay in the game when the Steelers near the goal line, at least to start the season. There will be no Jerome Bettis-like role this season unless somehow Verron Haynes or Duce Staley prove they can fill it. So far, they have not done that.

"If somebody starts to surface and becomes that guy, as the season goes on I wouldn't rule it out," Cowher said. "But I can't say right now there's been one person like there was with Jerome. And I don't think that's a bad thing. That's the way it was last year. This year's a different year."
:pickle: and

:wub: for FWP

Agree that if he can now "steal" 3/4 red-zone scores, his ADP goes up about 4 slots to RB12/13

 
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Training Camp Notebook: Parker to be goal-line back, at least for now

Thursday, August 24, 2006

By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Willie Parker will stay in the game when the Steelers near the goal line, at least to start the season. There will be no Jerome Bettis-like role this season unless somehow Verron Haynes or Duce Staley prove they can fill it. So far, they have not done that.

"If somebody starts to surface and becomes that guy, as the season goes on I wouldn't rule it out," Cowher said. "But I can't say right now there's been one person like there was with Jerome. And I don't think that's a bad thing. That's the way it was last year. This year's a different year."
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This is HUGE news and clearly puts FWP into the late first early second range. Could still be a steal in drafts with owners who arent up to date on the goaline situation.

 
FWP was about the only thing good on O for the Steelers tonight, catching 3 passes in his only drive. I am starting to believe that he will take a huge leap forward in 2006. He was hot & cold last year but he has looked very good this preseason. If he stays healthy I'm looking for a top 6-8 finish.

Cook: Fast Willie is quickly becoming indispensable for Steelers

Saturday, August 26, 2006

By Ron Cook, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

PHILADELPHIA -- Bill Cowher has cast his vote for the Steelers' most important player and the choice might surprise you.

Remember, Ben Roethlisberger doesn't count.

Willie Parker.

Then again, if you watched Fast Willie go 75 yards off right tackle in Super Bowl XL and saw Duce Staley and Verron Haynes struggle to get anything going in the running game in the 16-7 exhibition loss to the Philadelphia Eagles last night, you probably aren't all that shocked.

It's funny, the biggest worry coming into the preseason was Roethlisberger's status after his horrific motorcycle accident June 12. That's no longer an issue. It's clear Big Ben is just fine. Maybe he didn't have his best game against the Eagles in his two series. He threw one pass too high for Cedrick Wilson, one pass behind Heath Miller and another pass right to Eagles safety Brian Dawkins for an interception. He also wasted a timeout and took a delay-of-game penalty. But he's far down the list -- all the way at the bottom, actually -- of Cowher's worries. He's going to have a terrific year.

If the star treatment Parker received last night is an indication, depth at running back might be the No. 1 concern, even more worrisome than Hines Ward's lingering hamstring injury.

It's clear Cowher believes he has to do all he can to keep Parker from getting hurt before the real games start, that he believes the Steelers would have a hard time winning without him. Parker played just one series against the Eagles. Roethlisberger and center Jeff Hartings played two. The rest of the starters played the first half.

Don't be surprised if Parker doesn't play at all in the final exhibition game against Carolina Thursday night.

It will be a shock if he does.

The star treatment is legit. Parker has that look. It's not just that 75-yard touchdown run against Seattle in the Super Bowl or the 1,202 regular-season yards he gained last year. He has had a fine training camp and exhibition season, so good that Cowher announced earlier this week that he would stay on the field -- at least for now -- in short-yardage situations, a job held by Jerome Bettis last season and one the team hoped Staley would win this summer.

Parker justified that faith with another strong performance last night. He had runs of 2, 4 and 7 yards and caught passes for 9, 11 and -2 yards. Don't be fooled by those modest numbers. They would have been drastically better if Parker hadn't had such a hard time slipping on the slick Lincoln Financial Field.

The offense certainly looked different with Parker than it did with Staley or Haynes, who alternated series in the first half and into the third quarter after Parker left.

That's not all the fault of the two backups. The Steelers' normally superb offensive line didn't exactly distinguish itself on this night. There wasn't a lot of running room.

Unfortunately, Staley and Haynes didn't make much room for themselves.

Staley had six carries for 18 yards behind the first line in the first half and finished with 11 carries for 21 yards, a lousy 1.9 yards-per-carry average. He couldn't convert a fourth-and-1 play in the third quarter. Haynes had just one carry for 1 yard in the first half -- in fairness, it's hard to judge that -- and gained 14 yards on his four second-half carries.

Sure, it's only the exhibition season. Staley and Haynes are proven veterans. Maybe they'll turn it up once the regular season starts. Steelers coaches are convinced Haynes will do just fine in his role again as the third-down back. They're also hopeful Staley is able to shake off the rust from two injury-plagued seasons and be the premier back he was in the first half of the 2004 season.

Just in case one or the other doesn't happen, though, Parker had better stay healthy.

Despite the depth problems, the Steelers' running game actually is far ahead of where it was a year ago. Staley and Bettis were hurt at this point and unable to start the regular season. Parker still was largely unproven.

That's why Cowher gave Parker the star treatment in the final exhibition game, not playing him at Carolina even though it was his homecoming to his native North Carolina. Cowher had to make sure he had a starting running back to line up against Tennessee in the opener. Wouldn't you know it that Parker torched the Titans for 161 yards and a touchdown in a 34-7 win?

That was the first indication that Fast Willie is the real deal.

The run in Super Bowl XL merely was one more confirmation.

Now, Parker gets the star treatment for reasons that go beyond the concerns about Staley and Haynes.

He gets it because he's a star.

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(Ron Cook can be reached at rcook@post-gazette.com or 412-263-1525. )
 
FWP was about the only thing good on O for the Steelers tonight, catching 3 passes in his only drive. I am starting to believe that he will take a huge leap forward in 2006. He was hot & cold last year but he has looked very good this preseason. If he stays healthy I'm looking for a top 6-8 finish.
I think the Steelers have solved their goal-line RB problem. Based on the preseason production, they're not going to get there very often. :bag: I know it wasn't much different last year, but still...
 
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