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Avery
Footballguy
For this year?My expectations are Holt will outproduce him from here on out.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
You may want to try the search function.
I'd be surprised if he put up more than 350/3 from here on out.
I'd be surprised if he put up more than 350/3 from here on out.
bshell27
Footballguy
Probably, but my point was Holt is dead weight to me. So why not take a chance. Sorry this is becoming an assistant coach forum thread. I only meant to solicit opinions regarding Crabtree's value. Just using my team as an example as to why I would take a flier.
My Team (Start 3 RB's usually, S-Jax is making that tough on me though)
Garrard
Campbell
Ronnie Brown
S-Jax
Brandon Jacobs
Beanie
M. Bush
Chester Taylor
Ocho Cinco
Steve Smith (NYG)
Torry Holt
Devin Hester
Anthony Gonzalez
Cooley
Kaeding
Jets
My Team (Start 3 RB's usually, S-Jax is making that tough on me though)
Garrard
Campbell
Ronnie Brown
S-Jax
Brandon Jacobs
Beanie
M. Bush
Chester Taylor
Ocho Cinco
Steve Smith (NYG)
Torry Holt
Devin Hester
Anthony Gonzalez
Cooley
Kaeding
Jets
The Jerk
Footballguy
bshell27,
You posed a question. You got two answers. Your reply to those answers showed that you disagreed strongly with the answers you got from the Shark Pool. It appears you really want to acquire Crabtree, so trust your gut and do it.
Just realize that it will likely be November before Crabtree sees any significant time, and that SF is unlikely to suddenly pass the ball a lot -- both by choice and because they won't need to when playing inferior teams. The best chance for Crabtree to produce is 2-3 matchups week 12 to 16 against weak pass defenses on reasonably competent teams.
Again, it seems to me from your responses that you posted hoping to see people corroborate your instinct. If you feel strongly, go after him and don't worry about what anyone else suggests, including me.
You posed a question. You got two answers. Your reply to those answers showed that you disagreed strongly with the answers you got from the Shark Pool. It appears you really want to acquire Crabtree, so trust your gut and do it.
Just realize that it will likely be November before Crabtree sees any significant time, and that SF is unlikely to suddenly pass the ball a lot -- both by choice and because they won't need to when playing inferior teams. The best chance for Crabtree to produce is 2-3 matchups week 12 to 16 against weak pass defenses on reasonably competent teams.
Again, it seems to me from your responses that you posted hoping to see people corroborate your instinct. If you feel strongly, go after him and don't worry about what anyone else suggests, including me.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
I I drafted him in my keeper. I dropped him after week 2. I just picked him up off waivers & dropped Felix Jones (small rosters w/salary cap)
SuperGreen
Footballguy
lost season, don't bother
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
It's not like anyone else (WR-wise) is really lighting it up in SF. I'd roll with him over Holt at this point. He's a freakish talent, and you have to think he's in shape. At this point holt is a bad wr3. IF he becomes the go-to-guy in a highpowered SF offense (aided by a good defense) I'd rather have MC Tree
Muahahaha
Footballguy
1) Team built on running the ball with a strong defense.
2) Rookie WR
3) Long holdout, virtually zero knowledge of the playbook.
4) QB who averages 6.6 YPA.
The conditional probabiliities tell me extraordinarily low chance he is worth anything this year. Gotta be other better lottery tickets out there.
2) Rookie WR
3) Long holdout, virtually zero knowledge of the playbook.
4) QB who averages 6.6 YPA.
The conditional probabiliities tell me extraordinarily low chance he is worth anything this year. Gotta be other better lottery tickets out there.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Not worth an add in redraft leagues. IMO he's a good six weeks out from knowing the offense and his QB well enough to even consider. 350/3 is pretty much his ceiling, and I like all of your WRs (including Holt) more than a talent who has done nothing at the highest level.
On a non-FF football note, I hope Singletary makes him a gunner on special teams. We were winning without you, rook - go earn your stripes.
On a non-FF football note, I hope Singletary makes him a gunner on special teams. We were winning without you, rook - go earn your stripes.
PatrickT
Footballguy
That would be awesome.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
That would be, until he tears an ACL!
Routilla
Footballguy
I would be more interested in hearing about his practices from here on out. Yes he's behind on the playbook but I would think for deep routes he simply runs the route. If he's open he gets the ball, period. Now as far as blocking assignments on running plays etc. then there is a bit more of a learning curve. I don't see how he isn't their best WR. Give him a few weeks and let's see how much playing time he gets.
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Maui Monster
Footballguy
Everyone is really underestimating how good a WR this guys is. Yes it may take him a few weeks to get acclimated, but I could honestly see a TD a week after that. he has some of the stickiest hands ever and knows how to come down with the ball. He is a natural (unlike Heyward-Bey). Bottom line NFL teams use the most talented and productive guy. Give him 3-4 weeks and he will produce.
No more than WR3 of course but still worth a roster spot.
No more than WR3 of course but still worth a roster spot.
Dynasty = gold
Redraft = dirt.
This guy gets his hands on his first NFL playbook in week 4 and a guy in my redraft league picked him up.
He coulda bought a nice breakfast with that drop add money and been better off.
If you're thinking about doing this in redraft, take a good look at the other fliers on your WW and pick one. Your chances of getting a usable player just went up 1000%.
Redraft = dirt.
This guy gets his hands on his first NFL playbook in week 4 and a guy in my redraft league picked him up.
He coulda bought a nice breakfast with that drop add money and been better off.
If you're thinking about doing this in redraft, take a good look at the other fliers on your WW and pick one. Your chances of getting a usable player just went up 1000%.
Saints-Man
Footballguy
tim_whatley
Footballguy
I bet he catches a TD in his first game vs. Houston.
UglyTuco
Footballguy
On a non-FF football note, I hope Singletary makes him a gunner on special teams. We were winning without you, rook - go earn your stripes.
I don't doubt that he will, Samurai Mike will make him earn it. Sing is great for sound bytes, he was mic'd up for the Niners vs. Rams game:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-sound-...9ers-tough-love
I especially loved this one "Man, Chilo's gonna make me knock him out."
I don't doubt that he will, Samurai Mike will make him earn it. Sing is great for sound bytes, he was mic'd up for the Niners vs. Rams game:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-sound-...9ers-tough-love
I especially loved this one "Man, Chilo's gonna make me knock him out."
falcoatl
Footballguy
I take it you are in the knee-jerk reaction group that added him once he signed. I would be incredibly surprised if he even gets on the field let alone catches a pass.
two_dollars
Footballguy
Had I made it to the NFL out of college, Mike Singeltary is the coach I would want to play for. He demands the best and he cares. He truely cares. As far as Crabtree goes, he's not going to endanger him. He's not concerned with the financial crap. When Crabtree shows up, Mike will look at him and tell him "Rook it's time to play football, get your nose in the playbook." then he's going to ride him during practice to get him in shape and catch him up. When he does, he will get every opportunity to help Mike's team win. If Mike doesn't feel he's ready, he will not be in the game. Basicly, it's up to Crabtree how much and when he sees the field.
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Steady Mooobin
Footballguy
No way in hell does Mike Singletary let this jack, you know what, see the field in any significant capacity unless he is borderline genius when it comes to learning the playbook.
ding.
There may be a reason he fell in the draft. We'll see. I have him tucked away on my roster in case he turns out to be the real deal. Who knows? CHarles Rogers had all the tools, too. He was a natural.
Raye has already said that, for the first few weeks he's eligible at least, he's only going to be on field as the 3rd WR in 3 receiver sets. I think Mike Sando reported that the 3 WR set is a package that the Niners have only used for something like 45 plays in their 4 games so far. So, for ~10-15 plays a game, Crabtree will have to fight V. Davis, Bruce, and Morgan for targets, all of whom have rapport with Hill at this point. Maybe he leapfrogs those guys at some point near the end of the season, but unless he's the next Randy Moss or something, I highly doubt he'll have the opportunity in this offense.Bottom line, I can't see Crabtree having any potential to contribute to your fantasy teams this season.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
Nah, I know he's good. I'm a Texas Tech homer and I watched him play.Great hands? Yes.Yards after the catch? Yes.But he has apparently been studying Josh Morgan's position, and the offensive coordinator says he wants Crabtree to learn the slot position first instead. And after he learns it, he'll only be in the game for 3rd down packages. I'm willing to bet he won't be startable in FF this year. Grab him in a keeper league for next year. Or in redraft, pick him up if you have deep benches, and only as an "unknown" and unlikely potential breakout.Maui Monster said:
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I don't think he'll have much value in re-drafts, but I do agree he has more upside than Holt.
