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Craps....easiest way to learn? (1 Viewer)
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johnnycakes
Footballguy
Sounds like a question Maurile will be weighing in on. 
KCitons
Footballguy
not sure about online, but you can buy a casino game for xbox, ps, or pc. Shooter is chosen on a clockwise rotation around the table. You can pass if you don't want to throw.
I learned at one of the smaller Vegas casinos about 20 years ago (Westward Ho). I just told the dealers I wanted to learn and put down $100. Had some decent rolls but in the end lost $80 and tipped the dealers the remaining $20. I still remember writing notes on how to play, and what bets to make on the plane ride home. Learning online and playing in real life are going to be very different. If the table is full you'll hear a lot of chatter that won't make sense.
I learned at one of the smaller Vegas casinos about 20 years ago (Westward Ho). I just told the dealers I wanted to learn and put down $100. Had some decent rolls but in the end lost $80 and tipped the dealers the remaining $20. I still remember writing notes on how to play, and what bets to make on the plane ride home. Learning online and playing in real life are going to be very different. If the table is full you'll hear a lot of chatter that won't make sense.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Go to a casino in the morning. You usually can find a cheap table (that might even be teaching it), a dealer who has no problem helping you and players who won't bust your ball for not knowing anything.
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
Dealers are usually very helpful.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Craps dealers (croupiers I think) are really the best.
Bet the minimum on the pass line, and whatever odds you're comfortable with. Watch the game, pick up what you can and ask questions when you are confused.
Las Vegas message board has a couple threads devoted to learning craps. My advice is to avoid the math nerds(unless you are one). Have fun, don't turn it into math homework.
Las Vegas message board has a couple threads devoted to learning craps. My advice is to avoid the math nerds(unless you are one). Have fun, don't turn it into math homework.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Online rules, play online simulator
If you wanna learn the 1000 intricacies, book and casino (ask questions). There is so super fast way to learn it all
If you wanna learn the 1000 intricacies, book and casino (ask questions). There is so super fast way to learn it all
The General
Footballguy
iPhone app then go on a slower day if and talk to the dealers as you play.
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
Goto wizard of odds dot com.
It's really easy once you know most of the bets are scams and only focus on a few.
Very volatile game though if you play correctly, need a huge roll.
Honestly I enjoyed that game for awhile and moved on, the swings were tough to handle
It's really easy once you know most of the bets are scams and only focus on a few.
Very volatile game though if you play correctly, need a huge roll.
Honestly I enjoyed that game for awhile and moved on, the swings were tough to handle
ghostguy123
Footballguy
John Bender
Footballguy
Pass.
6 and 8
Take max odds.
Bump 1 unit on the 6 or 8 after every one hit.
When up big grab a world bet or yo, son of yo.
6 and 8
Take max odds.
Bump 1 unit on the 6 or 8 after every one hit.
When up big grab a world bet or yo, son of yo.
When you say "every one hit" do you actually bump them up a unit each time? If so, you only cash when the point hits .......even with a long run and then a 7, you're only making minimal $ ($1 each hit on a $5 table)Pass.
6 and 8
Take max odds.
Bump 1 unit on the 6 or 8 after every one hit.
When up big grab a world bet or yo, son of yo.
Or am I missing something?
culdeus
Footballguy
He's talking about bumping the 6 and 8 place bets I think.When you say "every one hit" do you actually bump them up a unit each time? If so, you only cash when the point hits .......even with a long run and then a 7, you're only making minimal $ ($1 each hit on a $5 table)Pass.
6 and 8
Take max odds.
Bump 1 unit on the 6 or 8 after every one hit.
When up big grab a world bet or yo, son of yo.
Or am I missing something?
tri-man 47
Footballguy
The simple approach is to bet the pass/no-pass line and then add a bet to play the odds once a 'point' is established. The odds bet is not marked on the table, but you'll see other players doing it. The odds bet, as I understand it, is the best odds in the house. You can have a lot of fun with just these bets and rolling the dice when it comes around to you. As Bender says, you could also play the 6 and 8 after a 'point' gets established, since otherwise you can spend quite a while waiting to win/lose and place a new bet. Also the other stuff can get a little crazy ...but the odds are not in your favor. I like to keep it simple and just watch all the others.
John Bender
Footballguy
So if table min is 15....you have 18 on the 6 or 8. If you hit one you take down all the proceeds but your next bet on the hit number is 24
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lod01
Footballguy
Love the craps machines like this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPNES5DHcos You can get some huge rolls on these.
The ones that roll the dice automatically suck. They are about as true a roll as you can get so the hot rolls are virtually non-existent. When I sit at those , I bet against the 4 & 10 right after they come up. It's rare when they will roll back to back and you can make about $50 an hour betting $10 on each one. Of course there is a lot of sitting with no bets.
The ones that roll the dice automatically suck. They are about as true a roll as you can get so the hot rolls are virtually non-existent. When I sit at those , I bet against the 4 & 10 right after they come up. It's rare when they will roll back to back and you can make about $50 an hour betting $10 on each one. Of course there is a lot of sitting with no bets.
lod01
Footballguy
I'm not a fan of the pass line. I only play it when I am the shooter.
Let's say the number is 4 or 10 and the max at the table is double odds. If you just have to play the pass line then you will win $50 on a $10 bet backed up with $20. If you were to just place the 4 or 10 with $30, you will win $54. Same is true for 5, 6, 8 & 9 at double odds.
It takes 5x odds to make the pass line the better bet on 4 & 10.
Let's say the number is 4 or 10 and the max at the table is double odds. If you just have to play the pass line then you will win $50 on a $10 bet backed up with $20. If you were to just place the 4 or 10 with $30, you will win $54. Same is true for 5, 6, 8 & 9 at double odds.
It takes 5x odds to make the pass line the better bet on 4 & 10.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Stack up your money in your backyard and take a piss on it.
culdeus
Footballguy
lod01
Footballguy
lod01
Footballguy
Yeah, I know the correct play according to the odds are a pass line bet followed by 2 come line bets. Unfortunately I have for the most part see this fail far more often than it works.
Back in the days of the old Horseshoe where they let you take any odds you want, it was the bet to make. You could put $1 on the line and back it up with $100 which was fantastic.
Putting 10 on the line and backing it with 20 blows.
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Frostillicus
Footballguy
Bobcat10
Footballguy
No. What JB said. The unit is technically 6.
I usually don't press right away though.
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shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Well, for one, the pass line is a lower house edge than playing 4 or 10.
If you have your preferences fine, just as long as you realize that there are better (as in, less house edge) bets to make.
KCitons
Footballguy
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
i like to wait until a good shooter comes up. you can tell he's good because he will move the dice around on the table deliberately before shooting. those guys will roll less 7s and you'll win long term.
GOB
Footballguy
Finally some decent advice in this thread.
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
fightingillini
Footballguy
Always remember that the stickman is ALWAYS propping up the bets that are favorable to the house......ie craps, hard ways, field, Yo, any seven, etc. They never tell you to take your odds, which the house has no edge on.
Just play the pass line, take at least 2x odds, and place other numbers......6 and the 8 have the lowest vig at 1.52%. 4 and the 10 are the worst vig at 6.67%. I think the 5 and 9 have a 4% vig.
Many get confused with come betting vs place betting to get additional numbers. It's pretty simple. The come bet is EXACTLY a pass line bet....only done when a number is established. You can take odds on the come bet once you have a number. The come bet has a lower vig than a place bet, but the kicker is that the Come bet is a contract once a number is established.....you can't take the come bet down (you can take down odds at any time). And you can't pick your number...just like a pass line bet. And one seven knocks down ALL of your Come bets with odds.
Place betting has a higher vig, but more flexiblity.....you can increase,decrease, or take down your place bets at any time, as well as pick and choose what number you want.
Craps is a great game, but it is very volatile and you can lose hundreds of dollars pretty quickly. As long as you have the bankroll necessary, you will do fine by playing the best bets at the table.
Just play the pass line, take at least 2x odds, and place other numbers......6 and the 8 have the lowest vig at 1.52%. 4 and the 10 are the worst vig at 6.67%. I think the 5 and 9 have a 4% vig.
Many get confused with come betting vs place betting to get additional numbers. It's pretty simple. The come bet is EXACTLY a pass line bet....only done when a number is established. You can take odds on the come bet once you have a number. The come bet has a lower vig than a place bet, but the kicker is that the Come bet is a contract once a number is established.....you can't take the come bet down (you can take down odds at any time). And you can't pick your number...just like a pass line bet. And one seven knocks down ALL of your Come bets with odds.
Place betting has a higher vig, but more flexiblity.....you can increase,decrease, or take down your place bets at any time, as well as pick and choose what number you want.
Craps is a great game, but it is very volatile and you can lose hundreds of dollars pretty quickly. As long as you have the bankroll necessary, you will do fine by playing the best bets at the table.
RUSF18
Footballguy
Help me out with something really simple...when people say this, do they say "take" to mean to lay down a pass line odds bet of 2x the original wager on the pass line bet?
Think I've heard this as "backing up your pass line bet"?
Thanks.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
satch
Footballguy
I like to play minimum bet on pass line, then determine my odds bet depending on the established point.
If the point is 6/8 I'll bet 3x.
If the point is 5/9 I'll bet 2x.
If the point is 4/10 I'll bet 1x.
Many people bet max odds regardless of the point, which will make you a ton of money when the point consistently hits. But you can also lose a ton of money real fast using that method, especially on a 10X+ odds table. I'd rather bet min odds on the 4/10. Sure, I won't win big if it hits but chances are it won't hit and I'll only lose $20. If it does hit I'm happy with a modest win. I prefer my method because it allows me to take advantage of the true odds bets to an extent without the risk of flying through my limited bankroll sooner than I'd like. I've found this method to produce a fun, relaxed, and more consistently positive outcome. It's not quite as exciting, but it avoids the awful feeling of walking away ftom the table down $300 in 15 minutes. I'd rather walk away down $300 after 3 hours of fun and entertainment. Though, truth be told I usually walk away with more than I started with using this method. Not claiming it's a fool-proof system or anything because it's obviously not. Just sharing my experiences. I'd recommend this system to a beginner looking to enjoy playing craps. Even when you lose, you'll have enjoyed playing for a while and your losses will be much easier to take. Plus, the longer you can stay at the table the better chances you have at being their for the hot dice!
If the point is 6/8 I'll bet 3x.
If the point is 5/9 I'll bet 2x.
If the point is 4/10 I'll bet 1x.
Many people bet max odds regardless of the point, which will make you a ton of money when the point consistently hits. But you can also lose a ton of money real fast using that method, especially on a 10X+ odds table. I'd rather bet min odds on the 4/10. Sure, I won't win big if it hits but chances are it won't hit and I'll only lose $20. If it does hit I'm happy with a modest win. I prefer my method because it allows me to take advantage of the true odds bets to an extent without the risk of flying through my limited bankroll sooner than I'd like. I've found this method to produce a fun, relaxed, and more consistently positive outcome. It's not quite as exciting, but it avoids the awful feeling of walking away ftom the table down $300 in 15 minutes. I'd rather walk away down $300 after 3 hours of fun and entertainment. Though, truth be told I usually walk away with more than I started with using this method. Not claiming it's a fool-proof system or anything because it's obviously not. Just sharing my experiences. I'd recommend this system to a beginner looking to enjoy playing craps. Even when you lose, you'll have enjoyed playing for a while and your losses will be much easier to take. Plus, the longer you can stay at the table the better chances you have at being their for the hot dice!
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Watching an old movie the other day I became convinced that it is still better than playing blackjack.
Blackjack Dealer: Why don't you give me half the money you were going to bet, then we'll go out back, I'll kick you in the nuts and we'll call it a day!
RUSF18
Footballguy
If Vegas Vacation is considered an old movie these days, that makes me feel like a dinosaur.
First thing is to learn some vocabulary... (http://www.teachmecraps.com/glossary.php).
Then at the table...
Bet the minimum on the pass line, when a point is established place on odds bet of at least 2x your pass line bet (you place this bet directly behind your pass line bet). Don't make any other bets. Watch the table, listen and learn. Watch what a bettor next to you is doing, the vocabulary he's using.
After you get comfortable, maybe that your first session maybe it's your third, make some other bets. Maybe a Come bet (which is exactly the same as a pass line bet, but can only be made once a point is established). Or maybe, place a bet on the 6, 8 or both. Place bets on the 6/8 must be in $6 increments. Place bets on the 4/5/9/10 should be in $5 increments.
Experiment with different ideas...Increase your odds bet. If you have a place bet, press your bet (or tell them to go up a unit), press it all the way (take all of your winnings and increase your wager on the number you just won). Play 3-point Molly, place 2 come bets so you have 3 numbers working as soon as possible.
The beauty of the game is everyone has a different play style and after a while you will develop your own. And each style can/will play differently. One guy can be treading water, while another guy is making a fortune on the same set of dice rolls. Doesn't mean one guy is right and the other guys is wrong. A different set of dice rolls and the guy treading water might be making a mint.
Personally, I like to bet the pass line, then take 2-5x odds depending upon the number and how the session is going. Then I'll place the 6/8 for $18 a piece. If one of those hits I'll tell the dealer to "make me $30". If that hits then I'll go to $42. If it hits, ride it for once, then go to $60. Sometimes I'll play this a little differently depending upon the session, maybe I'll stay at a number before increasing it, maybe I'll place the 5/9.
If I'm placing the 5/9 I like to go up a unit if it hits and if hits again then I'll place the minimum on the 4 or 10. And if the 4/10 hits then I'll buy it for a quarter.
A million different ways to play, just need to get out there and find one you are comfortable with.
Good luck!
Then at the table...
Bet the minimum on the pass line, when a point is established place on odds bet of at least 2x your pass line bet (you place this bet directly behind your pass line bet). Don't make any other bets. Watch the table, listen and learn. Watch what a bettor next to you is doing, the vocabulary he's using.
After you get comfortable, maybe that your first session maybe it's your third, make some other bets. Maybe a Come bet (which is exactly the same as a pass line bet, but can only be made once a point is established). Or maybe, place a bet on the 6, 8 or both. Place bets on the 6/8 must be in $6 increments. Place bets on the 4/5/9/10 should be in $5 increments.
Experiment with different ideas...Increase your odds bet. If you have a place bet, press your bet (or tell them to go up a unit), press it all the way (take all of your winnings and increase your wager on the number you just won). Play 3-point Molly, place 2 come bets so you have 3 numbers working as soon as possible.
The beauty of the game is everyone has a different play style and after a while you will develop your own. And each style can/will play differently. One guy can be treading water, while another guy is making a fortune on the same set of dice rolls. Doesn't mean one guy is right and the other guys is wrong. A different set of dice rolls and the guy treading water might be making a mint.
Personally, I like to bet the pass line, then take 2-5x odds depending upon the number and how the session is going. Then I'll place the 6/8 for $18 a piece. If one of those hits I'll tell the dealer to "make me $30". If that hits then I'll go to $42. If it hits, ride it for once, then go to $60. Sometimes I'll play this a little differently depending upon the session, maybe I'll stay at a number before increasing it, maybe I'll place the 5/9.
If I'm placing the 5/9 I like to go up a unit if it hits and if hits again then I'll place the minimum on the 4 or 10. And if the 4/10 hits then I'll buy it for a quarter.
A million different ways to play, just need to get out there and find one you are comfortable with.
Good luck!
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
It did come out 14 years after the first Vacation movie, if that makes you feel any younger.
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johnnycakes
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RUSF18
Footballguy
What size bankroll vs the table min is recommended for this style of play? I assume there's plenty of variation player to player but looking for a rough guideline similar to limit poker.
