Crayton says Patriot D isn't the real deal. (1 Viewer)

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Muzzle

When you lose 48-27, you can think whatever you'd like but you have to keep it quiet youngster.

 

[Bad_Mo]

I found Rod Woodson's comment last night on NFLN funny.

The guy has had one good game in his career. He needs to shut up....something along those lines.

Crayton sounded a little Fred Mitchell-esque to me.

 

[Stabmug]

:fred ex:

 

[The Moz]

Indy is prolly pissed at Crayton too. Now their D is going to get fired up.

 

[BigTex]

Muzzle

When you lose 48-27, you can think whatever you'd like but you have to keep it quiet youngster.

Hello cowboy, the weak spot on NE is there D. Their offense run like an oiled machine. But even with their high ranking, I wasn't impressed with their D. I'd like to know where NE ranks in the time of possession category.

 

[Moe Green]

TO and Crayton: you guys were humbled. You may be the best team in the NFC, but on your best day you are maybe the third best team in the NFL. Deal with it. Live it. Learn.

 

[noneother]

if that's the case, then how come the cowboy offense couldn't keep up with the NE offense... is the cowboy defense that bad too??

 

[BigTex]

TO and Crayton: you guys were humbled. You may be the best team in the NFC, but on your best day you are maybe the third best team in the NFL. Deal with it. Live it. Learn.

It's the defense that should be humbled.

 

[BigTex]

if that's the case, then how come the cowboy offense couldn't keep up with the NE offense... is the cowboy defense that bad too??

How many teams can "keep up" the NE offense? I didn't say that NE's d was terrible, just that it's their weak spot.

 

[Bankerguy]

TO and Crayton: you guys were humbled. You may be the best team in the NFC, but on your best day you are maybe the third best team in the NFL. Deal with it. Live it. Learn.

It's the defense that should be humbled.

On the money for your 2 posts above.I too thought the NE D was average. Dallas killed themselves with Holding and pre snap penalties that killed drives.Their Offense on the other hand played out of this world. Not sure any Defense can line up against them when healthy.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

if that's the case, then how come the cowboy offense couldn't keep up with the NE offense... is the cowboy defense that bad too??

How many teams can "keep up" the NE offense? I didn't say that NE's d was terrible, just that it's their weak spot.

This seems like a backhanded insult to the Cowboys. Scoring 2 offensive TDs and a couple field goals against NE is a credit to Dallas, not a castigation of NE.

 

[noneother]

if that's the case, then how come the cowboy offense couldn't keep up with the NE offense... is the cowboy defense that bad too??

How many teams can "keep up" the NE offense? I didn't say that NE's d was terrible, just that it's their weak spot.

challenging crayton, not you.... agreed.. I think a Welker type play against that def would mess with them... have bring harrison and/or merriweather up close... then hit em deep

 

[dgreen]

I wasn't impressed with their D.

They held Dallas' offense to 283 yards and 20 points.So, if you aren't impressed with the NE D, I assume you aren't too impressed with the Dallas O either?

 

[Bankerguy]

I wasn't impressed with their D.

They held Dallas' offense to 283 yards and 20 points.So, if you aren't impressed with the NE D, I assume you aren't too impressed with the Dallas O either?

The constant slow starts, penalties and mental errors.....no.

 

[BigTex]

if that's the case, then how come the cowboy offense couldn't keep up with the NE offense... is the cowboy defense that bad too??

How many teams can "keep up" the NE offense? I didn't say that NE's d was terrible, just that it's their weak spot.

This seems like a backhanded insult to the Cowboys. Scoring 2 offensive TDs and a couple field goals against NE is a credit to Dallas, not a castigation of NE.

 

[BigTex]

I wasn't impressed with their D.

They held Dallas' offense to 283 yards and 20 points.So, if you aren't impressed with the NE D, I assume you aren't too impressed with the Dallas O either?

The constant slow starts, penalties and mental errors.....no.

dgreen, you may assume what you will. But I still stand by my original post, "NE's d is their weak spot"

 

[Bankerguy]

It was however stupid for Crayton to say anything at all, whether or not that there is any merit to it. As a player, you just don't say this stuff.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Muzzle

When you lose 48-27, you can think whatever you'd like but you have to keep it quiet youngster.

Hello cowboy, the weak spot on NE is there D. Their offense run like an oiled machine. But even with their high ranking, I wasn't impressed with their D. I'd like to know where NE ranks in the time of possession category.

I know what you're saying.......but after you lose 48-27, is that really what you say? I mean, if I'm Crayton and I'm at the field practicing, maybe I walk over to TO and say, "Hey man, that D wasn't all that. Next time we face them, we can do this or that." Everyone's entitled to say what they want, but after you lose, to me as hard of a pill it is to swallow, you swallow it. We had our chance and our hype and whether it was penalties that hurt us or whatever, it happened. It's like he's blaming NE for the penalties Dallas committed.

I appreciate the fact he's confident and he in particular this past month has played well but after you take a whoopin, you need to know when enough is enough for awhile.

 

[tombonneau]

I wasn't impressed with their D.

They held Dallas' offense to 283 yards and 20 points.So, if you aren't impressed with the NE D, I assume you aren't too impressed with the Dallas O either?

The constant slow starts, penalties and mental errors.....no.

dgreen, you may assume what you will. But I still stand by my original post, "NE's d is their weak spot"

I would say it's not as much of a strength but when you are top 5 in most statistical D categories tough to call it a weakness.I agree it's not where it should be yet ... but BB defenses tend to get better as the year goes on. With Seymour returning soon and Adalius Thomas learning his new position and Merriweather potentially getting up to speed, the D should be in prime form come December.

 

[dgreen]

I wasn't impressed with their D.

They held Dallas' offense to 283 yards and 20 points.So, if you aren't impressed with the NE D, I assume you aren't too impressed with the Dallas O either?

The constant slow starts, penalties and mental errors.....no.

dgreen, you may assume what you will. But I still stand by my original post, "NE's d is their weak spot"

It's their "weakest spot" or it is their "weak spot"? There's a difference. It can be their weakest spot, but still be pretty good.And, I'm just sayin' that "their weak spot" held the previous #1 offense to 283 yards.I think any team would take that as a "weak spot".I haven't watched the Patriots too much this season and I only saw the second half of the last game, so I'm really only going on stats. Their D seems fine. Plus, they've been without this Seymour guy who's about to come back.

 

[BigTex]

It was however stupid for Crayton to say anything at all, whether or not that there is any merit to it. As a player, you just don't say this stuff.

BG, I agree, but "sometimes" it's good to see a little fire in some players eventhough they got their ### handed to them. LOLWhat I'm saying is, there is a chance, a small chance that they "MAY" see them again. It's good to know as a fan that your team is not intimidated by the opossing team.As idiotic as it sounds coming after a beatdown...............I like it.

 

[kevinallen]

I found Rod Woodson's comment last night on NFLN funny.The guy has had one good game in his career. He needs to shut up....something along those lines.

I heard that too... but come on now, Crayton's actually in for a pretty darn good season if he keeps things rolling like he has. 75 recs and 1000 yards, would that make him worthy of being able to speak his mind?

 

[BigTex]

Muzzle

When you lose 48-27, you can think whatever you'd like but you have to keep it quiet youngster.

Hello cowboy, the weak spot on NE is there D. Their offense run like an oiled machine. But even with their high ranking, I wasn't impressed with their D. I'd like to know where NE ranks in the time of possession category.

I know what you're saying.......but after you lose 48-27, is that really what you say? I mean, if I'm Crayton and I'm at the field practicing, maybe I walk over to TO and say, "Hey man, that D wasn't all that. Next time we face them, we can do this or that." Everyone's entitled to say what they want, but after you lose, to me as hard of a pill it is to swallow, you swallow it. We had our chance and our hype and whether it was penalties that hurt us or whatever, it happened. It's like he's blaming NE for the penalties Dallas committed.

I appreciate the fact he's confident and he in particular this past month has played well but after you take a whoopin, you need to know when enough is enough for awhile.

I do understand what you're saying but see post #21.

 

[parrot]

"The only time they stopped us is when we had penalties. If that's stopping us, it is what it is."

Memo to Pat: Your offense amassed less than 300 total yards.Your offense started the game with 3 three-and-outs. No penalties were called.Late in the game, down by 14, your special teams gave you the ball on the NE 23. Your offense put up a field goal. Penalties? Nope. On your next possession, really your last chance to remain in the game, your QB, under heavy pressure, threw a silly interception. Again, no penalties.

 

[twitch]

Every NE fan needs to send Patrick Crayton a thank you letter and a Christmas card.

 

[BigTex]

I wasn't impressed with their D.

They held Dallas' offense to 283 yards and 20 points.So, if you aren't impressed with the NE D, I assume you aren't too impressed with the Dallas O either?

The constant slow starts, penalties and mental errors.....no.

dgreen, you may assume what you will. But I still stand by my original post, "NE's d is their weak spot"

I would say it's not as much of a strength but when you are top 5 in most statistical D categories tough to call it a weakness.I agree it's not where it should be yet ... but BB defenses tend to get better as the year goes on. With Seymour returning soon and Adalius Thomas learning his new position and Merriweather potentially getting up to speed, the D should be in prime form come December.

I answered this in my first posting. It wouldn't surprise me if their d falls out of the top 10 before it's all over with.

 

[Bankerguy]

I wasn't impressed with their D.

They held Dallas' offense to 283 yards and 20 points.So, if you aren't impressed with the NE D, I assume you aren't too impressed with the Dallas O either?

The constant slow starts, penalties and mental errors.....no.

dgreen, you may assume what you will. But I still stand by my original post, "NE's d is their weak spot"

It's their "weakest spot" or it is their "weak spot"? There's a difference. It can be their weakest spot, but still be pretty good.And, I'm just sayin' that "their weak spot" held the previous #1 offense to 283 yards.I think any team would take that as a "weak spot".I haven't watched the Patriots too much this season and I only saw the second half of the last game, so I'm really only going on stats. Their D seems fine. Plus, they've been without this Seymour guy who's about to come back.

In large part to the TOP disparity. I honestly think the penalties really hurt Dallas. The 4th and 1 hold by Kosier killed all momentum. Dallas was driving the ball and that penalty made them punt. I believe NE then held the ball for nearly 6-7 mintues on a 10-12 drive for a score. This really changed the game.Again full credit to NE and their team, they obviously deserved to win. However, I was not blown away by their Defense. It was certainly not dominating in any form. I believe the plays run stats was something like 70+ for the Pats and 40ish for Dallas. The best Def is a good Off.

 

[Bossman]

He would have been better off saying... "They are who we thought they were.... and we let 'em off the hook! Lets just crown their azzes!"

 

[Bossman]

Dal's first 3 offensive series were 3 and out. If NE's defense is a weak link, I'd like to know who was on the field Sunday.

A better statement may be "New Englands defense is great... but their offense is better"

 

[Brutis]

Muzzle

When you lose 48-27, you can think whatever you'd like but you have to keep it quiet youngster.

Hello cowboy, the weak spot on NE is there D. Their offense run like an oiled machine. But even with their high ranking, I wasn't impressed with their D. I'd like to know where NE ranks in the time of possession category.

NE Defesne are considered so good because of the Patriot offense. Think about it, the offense is up by so much at half time that half the time the NE defense is on the field they KNOW the opposing offense has to throw the ball since they are down by so much. If a defense knows you are going to throw the ball they have a huge advantage and look better than they actually are. If that makes sense.

 

[BigTex]

I wasn't impressed with their D.

They held Dallas' offense to 283 yards and 20 points.So, if you aren't impressed with the NE D, I assume you aren't too impressed with the Dallas O either?

The constant slow starts, penalties and mental errors.....no.

dgreen, you may assume what you will. But I still stand by my original post, "NE's d is their weak spot"

It's their "weakest spot" or it is their "weak spot"? There's a difference. It can be their weakest spot, but still be pretty good.And, I'm just sayin' that "their weak spot" held the previous #1 offense to 283 yards.I think any team would take that as a "weak spot".I haven't watched the Patriots too much this season and I only saw the second half of the last game, so I'm really only going on stats. Their D seems fine. Plus, they've been without this Seymour guy who's about to come back.

Cleary, any margin of error by an opposing offense will only show against this team. If you make any mistakes what so ever, this offense will make you pay. IMHO, it's their "weak" spot. The teams that both NE and Dallas has played up to their "showdown" I wasn't too impressed with. Outside of SD, NE hasn't really played anyone of note. And I'm sure SD gave them plenty of board material going back to last year.Don't get me wrong (as I'm sure someone will) NE is one of the best in the league. But this D is suspect.

 

[twitch]

I wasn't impressed with their D.

They held Dallas' offense to 283 yards and 20 points.So, if you aren't impressed with the NE D, I assume you aren't too impressed with the Dallas O either?

The constant slow starts, penalties and mental errors.....no.

dgreen, you may assume what you will. But I still stand by my original post, "NE's d is their weak spot"

I would say it's not as much of a strength but when you are top 5 in most statistical D categories tough to call it a weakness.I agree it's not where it should be yet ... but BB defenses tend to get better as the year goes on. With Seymour returning soon and Adalius Thomas learning his new position and Merriweather potentially getting up to speed, the D should be in prime form come December.

I answered this in my first posting. It wouldn't surprise me if their d falls out of the top 10 before it's all over with.

dont count on it. They still get the Jets, Buffalo, and Miami twice. Those are stat padding games if ever there were.

 

[Phlash]

The Patriots defense is awful, just look at the teams they've played:

Jets - Come on, barely JV quality

Chargers - This offense has nothing outside of LT and Gates. Get some more players fellas.

Bills - Yawn, rookie QB and awful offense in general.

Cincinnati Bengals - This year has shown they are just a bad offensive team. My flag football team could've stopped 'em, pathetic that the Pats gave up 14 to 'em.

Cleveland Browns - Don't even bring up the fact that they scored over 40 points twice this season because that wouldn't help the argument that the Patriots D is weak. Seriously, its the Browns.

Dallas Cowboys - Yawn, overrated offense. Who do they have outside of TO and Witten? That offense isn't even a little good.

Seriously, Pats D will falter against a real offense. Just you wait.

 

[Bankerguy]

Dal's first 3 offensive series were 3 and out. If NE's defense is a weak link, I'd like to know who was on the field Sunday.A better statement may be "New Englands defense is great... but their offense is better"

Dallas and their #1 Offense have done this all year.No different against you guys.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I wasn't impressed with their D.

They held Dallas' offense to 283 yards and 20 points.So, if you aren't impressed with the NE D, I assume you aren't too impressed with the Dallas O either?

The constant slow starts, penalties and mental errors.....no.

dgreen, you may assume what you will. But I still stand by my original post, "NE's d is their weak spot"

Well, I think everyone would agree with you, it's certainly not their offense. In fact, I bet 99.9 percent of the people would say that their offense is better than their defense.

 

[Bankerguy]

I found Rod Woodson's comment last night on NFLN funny.The guy has had one good game in his career. He needs to shut up....something along those lines.

I heard that too... but come on now, Crayton's actually in for a pretty darn good season if he keeps things rolling like he has. 75 recs and 1000 yards, would that make him worthy of being able to speak his mind?

Until Glenn comes back around Week 9 or 10.

 

[BigTex]

Muzzle

When you lose 48-27, you can think whatever you'd like but you have to keep it quiet youngster.

Hello cowboy, the weak spot on NE is there D. Their offense run like an oiled machine. But even with their high ranking, I wasn't impressed with their D. I'd like to know where NE ranks in the time of possession category.

NE Defesne are considered so good because of the Patriot offense. Think about it, the offense is up by so much at half time that half the time the NE defense is on the field they KNOW the opposing offense has to throw the ball since they are down by so much. If a defense knows you are going to throw the ball they have a huge advantage and look better than they actually are. If that makes sense.

This would make my point even more relative (sp?). Clearly (IMHO) NE's Offense makes their defense.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

He would have been better off saying... "They are who we thought they were.... and we let 'em off the hook! !"

Now that would have been funny. I love that Coors Light Commercial. The guy who's asking the questions plays that great, some of the facial expressions he has after the Green clips, priceless.

 

[dgreen]

I wasn't impressed with their D.

They held Dallas' offense to 283 yards and 20 points.So, if you aren't impressed with the NE D, I assume you aren't too impressed with the Dallas O either?

The constant slow starts, penalties and mental errors.....no.

dgreen, you may assume what you will. But I still stand by my original post, "NE's d is their weak spot"

It's their "weakest spot" or it is their "weak spot"? There's a difference. It can be their weakest spot, but still be pretty good.And, I'm just sayin' that "their weak spot" held the previous #1 offense to 283 yards.I think any team would take that as a "weak spot".I haven't watched the Patriots too much this season and I only saw the second half of the last game, so I'm really only going on stats. Their D seems fine. Plus, they've been without this Seymour guy who's about to come back.

In large part to the TOP disparity. I honestly think the penalties really hurt Dallas. The 4th and 1 hold by Kosier killed all momentum. Dallas was driving the ball and that penalty made them punt. I believe NE then held the ball for nearly 6-7 mintues on a 10-12 drive for a score. This really changed the game.Again full credit to NE and their team, they obviously deserved to win. However, I was not blown away by their Defense. It was certainly not dominating in any form. I believe the plays run stats was something like 70+ for the Pats and 40ish for Dallas. The best Def is a good Off.

Holding tends to indicate you were beat, no?Part of TOP was the NE offense, but it was also the NE defense. Dallas began the game with 3 straight 3-and-outs. They had one more 3-and-out, a 4-play drive ending in a punt, and a 1-play drive with an INT. That, to me, is more about NE's D than their O.Dallas put together three straight scoring drives to take the lead. Their offense seemed to be clicking. But, that's what you expect from #1 O entering the game. The NE D took over and allowed Dallas 28 more yards on 13 plays.

 

[twitch]

The Patriots defense is awful, just look at the teams they've played:Jets - Come on, barely JV qualityChargers - This offense has nothing outside of LT and Gates. Get some more players fellas.Bills - Yawn, rookie QB and awful offense in general.Cincinnati Bengals - This year has shown they are just a bad offensive team. My flag football team could've stopped 'em, pathetic that the Pats gave up 14 to 'em.Cleveland Browns - Don't even bring up the fact that they scored over 40 points twice this season because that wouldn't help the argument that the Patriots D is weak. Seriously, its the Browns.Dallas Cowboys - Yawn, overrated offense. Who do they have outside of TO and Witten? That offense isn't even a little good.Seriously, Pats D will falter against a real offense. Just you wait.

Is Indy the only real O on the schedule? man, youre tough.

 

[BigTex]

I wasn't impressed with their D.

They held Dallas' offense to 283 yards and 20 points.So, if you aren't impressed with the NE D, I assume you aren't too impressed with the Dallas O either?

The constant slow starts, penalties and mental errors.....no.

dgreen, you may assume what you will. But I still stand by my original post, "NE's d is their weak spot"

I would say it's not as much of a strength but when you are top 5 in most statistical D categories tough to call it a weakness.I agree it's not where it should be yet ... but BB defenses tend to get better as the year goes on. With Seymour returning soon and Adalius Thomas learning his new position and Merriweather potentially getting up to speed, the D should be in prime form come December.

I answered this in my first posting. It wouldn't surprise me if their d falls out of the top 10 before it's all over with.

dont count on it. They still get the Jets, Buffalo, and Miami twice. Those are stat padding games if ever there were.

I didn't know that. LOL

 

[Bankerguy]

I wasn't impressed with their D.

They held Dallas' offense to 283 yards and 20 points.So, if you aren't impressed with the NE D, I assume you aren't too impressed with the Dallas O either?

The constant slow starts, penalties and mental errors.....no.

dgreen, you may assume what you will. But I still stand by my original post, "NE's d is their weak spot"

It's their "weakest spot" or it is their "weak spot"? There's a difference. It can be their weakest spot, but still be pretty good.And, I'm just sayin' that "their weak spot" held the previous #1 offense to 283 yards.I think any team would take that as a "weak spot".I haven't watched the Patriots too much this season and I only saw the second half of the last game, so I'm really only going on stats. Their D seems fine. Plus, they've been without this Seymour guy who's about to come back.

Cleary, any margin of error by an opposing offense will only show against this team. If you make any mistakes what so ever, this offense will make you pay. IMHO, it's their "weak" spot. The teams that both NE and Dallas has played up to their "showdown" I wasn't too impressed with. Outside of SD, NE hasn't really played anyone of note. And I'm sure SD gave them plenty of board material going back to last year.Don't get me wrong (as I'm sure someone will) NE is one of the best in the league. But this D is suspect.

Suspect may not be the right word. I think "Average" or just slight better than average is more appropriate. However, convincing Pats fans of anything short of them having 1-53 man HOF roster is difficult these days.

 

[dgreen]

Don't get me wrong (as I'm sure someone will) NE is one of the best in the league. But this D is suspect.

Not sure what you mean by this. Can we try to quantify it?What offenses this year can beat the NE D?

 

[BigTex]

I found Rod Woodson's comment last night on NFLN funny.The guy has had one good game in his career. He needs to shut up....something along those lines.

I heard that too... but come on now, Crayton's actually in for a pretty darn good season if he keeps things rolling like he has. 75 recs and 1000 yards, would that make him worthy of being able to speak his mind?

Until Glenn comes back around Week 9 or 10.

Yes, once we get at full strength I will get my popcorn ready. I'd like to see how Tank is going to fit in. From what I understand he' working out hard so we'll see.

 

[jonessed]

Don't get me wrong (as I'm sure someone will) NE is one of the best in the league. But this D is suspect.

Not sure what you mean by this. Can we try to quantify it?What offenses this year can beat the NE D?

The Cowboys did quite well against that D. It was the offense they couldn't handle.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Muzzle

When you lose 48-27, you can think whatever you'd like but you have to keep it quiet youngster.

Hello cowboy, the weak spot on NE is there D. Their offense run like an oiled machine. But even with their high ranking, I wasn't impressed with their D. I'd like to know where NE ranks in the time of possession category.

NE Defesne are considered so good because of the Patriot offense. Think about it, the offense is up by so much at half time that half the time the NE defense is on the field they KNOW the opposing offense has to throw the ball since they are down by so much. If a defense knows you are going to throw the ball they have a huge advantage and look better than they actually are. If that makes sense.

This would make my point even more relative (sp?). Clearly (IMHO) NE's Offense makes their defense.

Or you could think of it the other way as well. Everyone knows how good NE's offense is and will score on just about every defense. So, with that knowledge going into the game, team's will be throwing everything but the kitchen sink at NE to try and keep up with NE's offense. NE's defense quite honostly could be looking at each team's best playbook each and every week just because the opposing teams will need to score to try and keep up.Just saying, there's many ways you can look at it. I think everyone agrees that Ne's offense is better than their D.

What I'm saying is after you lose the way Dallas did, you don't need Patrick Crayton of all people talking to the media about it. If the reason Dallas didn't keep up with Ne's offense is because of penalties, then so be it. Go get better, get away from the cameras and practice till it hurts.

 

[Bankerguy]

I wasn't impressed with their D.

They held Dallas' offense to 283 yards and 20 points.So, if you aren't impressed with the NE D, I assume you aren't too impressed with the Dallas O either?

The constant slow starts, penalties and mental errors.....no.

dgreen, you may assume what you will. But I still stand by my original post, "NE's d is their weak spot"

It's their "weakest spot" or it is their "weak spot"? There's a difference. It can be their weakest spot, but still be pretty good.And, I'm just sayin' that "their weak spot" held the previous #1 offense to 283 yards.I think any team would take that as a "weak spot".I haven't watched the Patriots too much this season and I only saw the second half of the last game, so I'm really only going on stats. Their D seems fine. Plus, they've been without this Seymour guy who's about to come back.

In large part to the TOP disparity. I honestly think the penalties really hurt Dallas. The 4th and 1 hold by Kosier killed all momentum. Dallas was driving the ball and that penalty made them punt. I believe NE then held the ball for nearly 6-7 mintues on a 10-12 drive for a score. This really changed the game.Again full credit to NE and their team, they obviously deserved to win. However, I was not blown away by their Defense. It was certainly not dominating in any form. I believe the plays run stats was something like 70+ for the Pats and 40ish for Dallas. The best Def is a good Off.

Holding tends to indicate you were beat, no?Part of TOP was the NE offense, but it was also the NE defense. Dallas began the game with 3 straight 3-and-outs. They had one more 3-and-out, a 4-play drive ending in a punt, and a 1-play drive with an INT. That, to me, is more about NE's D than their O.Dallas put together three straight scoring drives to take the lead. Their offense seemed to be clicking. But, that's what you expect from #1 O entering the game. The NE D took over and allowed Dallas 28 more yards on 13 plays.

If you listened to the commentary, even the commentator mention it was a stupid penalty because it had no effect on Barber getting the first down on 4th and 1. This Hold also killed the momentum they had coming out of 3 straight scoring drives and handing back to the Pats. The other penalties were Pre-Snap and Procedure type penalties that wiped out good plays especially the Owens one for an illegal shift.

 

[BigTex]

I wasn't impressed with their D.

They held Dallas' offense to 283 yards and 20 points.So, if you aren't impressed with the NE D, I assume you aren't too impressed with the Dallas O either?

The constant slow starts, penalties and mental errors.....no.

dgreen, you may assume what you will. But I still stand by my original post, "NE's d is their weak spot"

It's their "weakest spot" or it is their "weak spot"? There's a difference. It can be their weakest spot, but still be pretty good.And, I'm just sayin' that "their weak spot" held the previous #1 offense to 283 yards.I think any team would take that as a "weak spot".I haven't watched the Patriots too much this season and I only saw the second half of the last game, so I'm really only going on stats. Their D seems fine. Plus, they've been without this Seymour guy who's about to come back.

In large part to the TOP disparity. I honestly think the penalties really hurt Dallas. The 4th and 1 hold by Kosier killed all momentum. Dallas was driving the ball and that penalty made them punt. I believe NE then held the ball for nearly 6-7 mintues on a 10-12 drive for a score. This really changed the game.Again full credit to NE and their team, they obviously deserved to win. However, I was not blown away by their Defense. It was certainly not dominating in any form. I believe the plays run stats was something like 70+ for the Pats and 40ish for Dallas. The best Def is a good Off.

Holding tends to indicate you were beat, no?Part of TOP was the NE offense, but it was also the NE defense. Dallas began the game with 3 straight 3-and-outs. They had one more 3-and-out, a 4-play drive ending in a punt, and a 1-play drive with an INT. That, to me, is more about NE's D than their O.Dallas put together three straight scoring drives to take the lead. Their offense seemed to be clicking. But, that's what you expect from #1 O entering the game. The NE D took over and allowed Dallas 28 more yards on 13 plays.

Going into the game I believe NE had/has the #1 O and Dallas was/is #2. Dallas has scored most of their poinst in the second half, this has been the case all season and last week was no exception.

 

[Bankerguy]

I found Rod Woodson's comment last night on NFLN funny.The guy has had one good game in his career. He needs to shut up....something along those lines.

I heard that too... but come on now, Crayton's actually in for a pretty darn good season if he keeps things rolling like he has. 75 recs and 1000 yards, would that make him worthy of being able to speak his mind?

Until Glenn comes back around Week 9 or 10.

Yes, once we get at full strength I will get my popcorn ready. I'd like to see how Tank is going to fit in. From what I understand he' working out hard so we'll see.

Pretty sure he will be Week 9 vs. NYFG. I don't see a reduction to his suspension coming. Also, I don't believe he will be the dominant player some are making him out to be. Here's hoping though.

 

[dgreen]

Don't get me wrong (as I'm sure someone will) NE is one of the best in the league. But this D is suspect.

Not sure what you mean by this. Can we try to quantify it?What offenses this year can beat the NE D?

The Cowboys did quite well against that D. It was the offense they couldn't handle.

So, the 2nd ranked offense in the NFL can beat the NE D. Anyone else? There has to be many more if this D is suspect or even average.And, is 283 yards the line for "quite well"?