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Crenshaw in a momentary moment of truth
Crenshaw in a momentary moment of truth
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Crenshaw - darling of GOP - blasts the "Freedom Caucus" (1 Viewer)
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sho nuff
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Of course…and if he ever throws his hat in the ring for the big office…guess who he will go running to?
GordonGekko
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Nikki Haley.
Crenshaw is the logical balance to Haley if she wins the RNC ticket in 2024. He has vast practical military experience and establishment Democrats might have lost the overall military vote for the next five general cycles given Afghanistan. He's not a warhawk and he can be tasked to run operations to bring home those American citizens still trapped in Afghanistan, if they are still present at that point and are still alive at that point.
He's very difficult to "cancel" and he immediately appeals to Trump's hard line MAGA base without having to supplicate to them. Poor white rural Christian America will embrace a soldier who risked all for this nation.
He's essentially almost the perfect VP candidate for Haley. He does not threaten her position, and in fact, serves to enhance her vast foreign policy experience. He's not charismatic but he also won't self inflict into scandal like Kamala Harris. He's also a natural counter point to the possibility of Buttigieg's potential run, as it negates Buttigieg's military record and removes the possibility that Mayor Pete will be the only former military man with his hat in the ring.
Feel free to address any of that.
rockaction
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The GOP is just in such a sad state of affairs that it not only pains a former conservative like me, it worries me as a democrat.
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Herb
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We can only hope. Did you write this as a pejorative?
Crenshaw is one of the very few GOPers that I wouldn't gladly throw into a dumpster if given the opportunity. Doesn't mean I'd vote for him, but as GG mentioned, a Haley/Crenshaw ticket would likely have Dems shaking, and would go at least a little ways toward making the GOP look like responsible adults again.
Amused to Death
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dkp993
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I seriously doubt it. McCain worked accross the aisle and was willing to compromise. In addition he was staunchly opposed to the rauchiness and dishonesty of Trump. We can hope but I don't see that happening with Crenshaw.
Sam Quentin
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Sam Quentin
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The Keating Five was a pretty bipartisan group
bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran was bipartisan
war in Iraq was bipartisan
giving massive territory weapons money and oil to ISIS was bipartisan
GordonGekko
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Crenshaw lost his right eye in his third tour in Afghanistan.
He watched establishment Democrats line up behind Joe Biden. And Biden took an already horrible situation in Afghanistan and made it a million times worse. Arming terrorists with our tax dollars and leaving American women behind to be gang raped are not things where actual compromise is possible.
If there is anyone right now in current professional politics who has a real reason not to compromise with the establishment Democrats and what madness they inflicted upon the world with their Afghanistan cluster ####, it's Dan Crenshaw.
I'd like to think when you start losing body parts in defense of our great nation, that you've earned the right to tell anyone who just gave our enemies billions of dollars in weapons to kill future generations of our children, paid for by you and me and everyone else here, to ESAD.
But let's not talk about that right? Let's try your methodology to try to castigate Crenshaw as some kind of MAGA zealot so you can push some more Orange Man Bad.
timschochet
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I would strongly consider voting for a Haley/Crenshaw ticket. I’m pretty sure I disagree with them on a majority of issues, but if they won the nomination it would represent a return to normalcy for the Republican Party and that alone would be worth it for me.
But I don’t see this. I expect Crenshaw to be ostracized and rejected by the base for his recent comments.
But I don’t see this. I expect Crenshaw to be ostracized and rejected by the base for his recent comments.
bigbottom
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He’s absolutely getting destroyed right now by the MAGA base in his own state. Being called a RINO, “worse than McCain”, “I won’t vote for him,” “he had us all fooled,” etc. He may ultimately win them back, but it’s pretty dire right now. One of his biggest (former) supporters, a conservative radio host from Crenshaw’s district and syndicated in over a couple dozen cities just posted this meme with the statement “No, I do not support Dan Crenshaw, & I am embarrassed I helped him get elected.” Primary issues seem to be Crenshaw’s support of red flag gun laws, voting for the immunization infrastructure/database bill, and opposing Trump’s claims that his loss was due to election fraud. Attacking right wing GOPers as grifters didn’t help.
I appreciate Crenshaw’s service to our country but we all know why the Gosars, MTGs etc and others get by with their garbage. Because all other Republicans don’t want to cross Trump because he loves them. Trump is the source of their existence and popularity. I don’t see how one can complain about these Republicans without identifying the real cancer in the party.
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Summer Wheat
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Stealthycat
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bigbottom
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It makes me like him more as well. But do you consider yourself part of Trump’s hard line MAGA base? Because that was the group I was referencing in response to GG’s post.
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Boston
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Not specific to Crenshaw but I also get a laugh when the opposing party claims they like someone because it is usually fool's gold...Bob Dole, McCain and Romney are three examples of pols that the dems have said they all have a lot of respect for and the one thing they all have in common is they lost a general election pretty easily.
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Boston
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Once in a while it happens. Sen Blackburn and Sen Blumenthal are currently working together on doing something about Instagram and social media.
bigbottom
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They are moderates trying to make Democrat sponsored legislation more moderate. I appreciate that they appear to be standing on principles, yes.
Boston
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Yup...I feel the same way about Crenshaw...one of the issues both sides have right now is they want 100% conformity which just isn't healthy.
timschochet
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A lot of the respect for those three have come in Trump years and in contrast to Trump. In this context Democrats have also expressed respect for George H W Bush and George W Bush, both of whom knew how to win general elections.
sho nuff
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And who they went up against. (also McCain was killed because of his VP choice...and I still voted for him).
I mean...Clinton was also a moderate who caught fire to win against Bush. So you have 2 of those going against popular moderates running for re-election. People can have respect for them (and I do), but still know they just weren't necessarily going to beat a moderate incumbent.
Boston
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100% (make that 110%) disagree about McCain...McCain was seen as "the Maverick" and was always held in high regard by the dems because quite often he bucked the GOP...once he became the nominee he turned into Genghis Khan...and once he lost all was good again...if the GOP wants to loss a general election the easiest way to do it is to nominate the guy/gal that the dems say they would consider voting for (which was Kasich most recently) or that they like.
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timschochet
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Boston
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The dems vilified GW while he was President...they warmed up to him during the Trump years because he agreed with him.
timschochet
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The bolded isn’t true. McCain lost much of his respect over his selection of a running mate, and he did not gain it back for years- his campaign for Senator in 2010, when he said “just build the damn fence!” didn’t do him any favors. It wasn’t until he stood up to Trump that the respect returned,
Your larger point seems to be that a Trump like, divisive candidate has a better shot of winning general elections for Republicans these days than a more traditional establishment type, because it’s more important to energize the base than it is to attract centrist independents and Democrats. . And you mat very well be right about that. But if you ARE right, it’s a sad state of affairs fir our society IMO.
Boston
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You took my words to the extreme and like usual are pretty one-sided...I do think getting your whole party onboard and energized is the most important thing and that applies to both parties...doesn't mean it has to be over-the-top divisive, but it does mean if the party faithful isn't fired-up about you, you absolutely cannot rely on independents and the other party to make up the difference because it won't happen...Romney is a perfect example of this and Hillary to a lesser degree...I think both parties need to be careful about the meaning of the 2020 election because for many reasons (Covid, Trump, Biden being able to get away with a Weekend at Bernie's campaign from his basement) it is probably the biggest outlier in American poltics.
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Stealthycat
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no I don't consider myself part of that and, powers shift, all the time ........ what doesn't shift is true to self and that's why Crenshaw is where he is IMO and people see that
he's not McCain by any stretch either IMO, that is just silly comparison
timschochet
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Well we agree there. Biden would not have won against any other candidate under any other circumstances. But I would argue that Trump, not Biden, was the outlier. At least I hope so.
I apologize for taking your words to their extreme. I’m pretty distraught right now because I think the Republicans are going to nominate Donald Trump again. I disagree with @GordonGekko about nearly everything but I so hope he’s right here that the Republicans are going to turn against Trump and towards someone like Haley. I don’t think he is right.
Sam Quentin
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I know Manchin and Sinema annoy the Ds, but at least they don’t get out there and constantly denounce other party members. They make their votes and don’t get into making personal attacks on their own caucus.
Boston
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It could happen and he could win...that being said I hope he doesn't run...the GOP is in position to absolutely dominate in 2024 but if Trump is the nominee all bets are off because it will take the focus off the dems and be all about him again...he is still a big part of the party and if he can do his thing in a manner like he did in Virginia you get the best of both worlds, the energy he brings without the baggage...IMO the winning ticket is DeSantis/Scott...I do like Haley but not sure she can energize the base the way DeSantis can.
Boston
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That is a good point (although I do think Manchin has taken some jabs at the far left)...Crenshaw is going against Reagan's gold rule.
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GordonGekko
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I believe Crenshaw will be fine overall. In the 2024 cycle, if he gets that far with Haley, the MAGA base will fall in line. What's the alternative? Not voting and risking someone like Newsom or AOC or Buttigieg to win? Haley will task Crenshaw to spearhead the operations to get Americans out of Afghanistan, well if those still abandoned and trapped there will still be alive at that point. The general public can get behind that.
In terms of his own stronghold, the redistricting now gives Crenshaw Montgomery County, which was a huge win for him in general. IIRC, he won against Sima in the last cycle by close to 7 points. Ronna McDaniel and RNC HQ wanted the new 38th to be carved out to give Wesley Hunt a chance to get into office and move forward. I've long seen Hunt as someone they want to groom for the long term. The RNC sees the pragmatism in keeping Crenshaw safe and building a base for Hunt to enter "brand name" status.
Either path will show Crenshaw holding on or moving forward. In general, I see him as a JAG ( Just Another Guy) He's not charismatic and he would struggle if a debate got too technical and too complex but he appeals to the military establishment and given the Democratic Party has just about lost the entire military in the this past year, he's basically in as close to a perfect position for VPOTUS as would be possible.
Desert_Power
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rockaction
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Yeah, this guy is against performance art
That depressed me in so many ways, but not in the way you intended. I'm not really susceptible to garbage like that, but it did drive home that the main faces of the Democrats are no better than I thought they were. AOC is a serious danger to the Republic. So is Harris. They're way left. Just so far left.
Ugh. I get the commercial was designed and manipulated to make me feel that way, but watching those clips, unedited? Effective in the end, I guess. The stupid narration and the images that were supposed to be seen as positive ones - the guns on the shoulder, the town meeting, etc. -- were reminders of how bad the right is in its reconstructive measures. What, is there a ####### civil war at a town hall again? Over what? Who didn't tell me?
This can all go to hell.
GordonGekko
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If DeSantis runs, he needs an African American to split the ticket.
It would be helpful if that was a woman, but there's no one remotely practical to pick. So Boston is right, it would be Scott if anyone. Two white males, i.e. DeSantis and Crenshaw, is just not going to work in today's current political climate. If Newsom picked a white male for his VPOTUS nominee, well that's (D)ifferent, but the nearly the entire left leaning activist complicit MSM is basically a woke propaganda machine now.
Establishment Democrats still have a stranglehold on Big Tech, Big Social Media, Hollywood, Big Education and nearly all of the MSM. Two straight white males on the ticket just lends into the inevitable white supremacist narrative. Also DeSantis has a military background, while it's not as storied as Crenshaw's record, he simply needs Crenshaw a lot less than Nikki Haley would.
The complication with DeSantis is COVID19. No one knows where that will head and how that will turn out and given the large population bases of CA and FL, that will have a massive impact on what Newsom and DeSantis end up doing.
The DNC has pushed itself into a corner here. They've almost limited themselves to trying to force Michelle Obama to run or simply use Stacey Abrams like a Mitt Romney archetype political punching bag. I actually feel bad for Mayor Pete fans. Establishment Democrats have done everything possible to railroad him. He should have never taken the deal to push Medicare For All Who Want It as an ACA patchover. The reality of M4A is inevitable at some point. Buttigieg could have went in a different direction with health care and then try to cut a deal with AOC and the Progressives. Bernie Sanders got a thousand delegates in 2020. Buttigieg could have structured himself in the past to have placed himself in a position to inherit Sander's base. That's the difference between Klobuchar and Buttigieg. Klobuchar is so vicious, she already knows the kind of woke smug establishment bottom feeders she's dealing with, she's not trying to outkick her coverage. She's going to stay in her own lane where she's left alone and has her own narrow pocket of autonomy.
I just don't understand how anyone who is a Mayor Pete fan could be supportive of this current iteration of the Democratic Party. Personally I think he's a nimrod, but that being said, he would still offer more functional governance than the caricature range of Biden, Harris, AOC, Newsom, etc, etc.
jamny
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bigbottom
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We’ll see. There are lots of calls for him getting primaried next go around. Sure he’ll win against the Democrat in his district. But my response was not with respect to his viability as a VP candidate (I think he’d be a good one), but in response to your assertion that he “appeals to Trump's hard line MAGA base without having to supplicate to them.” What we are seeing now in his own back yard directly contradicts that statement. My guess is that before the next primary season, he’ll start towing the MAGA line again.
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Herb
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I don't understand how anyone could be supportive of the current iteration of either party.
beer 30
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I like Crenshaw, a lot. He's sensible, for the most part, is pretty transparent on what he is doing and explains why he is doing it, is relatable and certainly put his time in serving the country. I hate to see him getting run on a rail by his base but as someone mentioned upthread, the fringe in the parties is looking for 100% buy in by their membership.
Grace Under Pressure
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Yes, Donald Trump will be the nominee. I would add "obviously", but that can wait until he announces and the party predictably circles around him, led by the exact "Freedom Caucus" members that Crenshaw is rightfully calling out. May as well mentally prepare for that.
unckeyherb
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I'm a fan of Crenshaw. He seems thoughtful, principled and honest-whether you buy his brand of politics is irrelevant-he knows what he stands for and says it. He represents a general return to normalcy in conservatism, so he'll probably be sent to the gallows soon enough.
BladeRunner
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Crenshaw is the man. Id vote for him on a heartbeat.
Haley/Crenshaw or Crenshaw/Haley. Don't care - they got my vote!
Haley/Crenshaw or Crenshaw/Haley. Don't care - they got my vote!
timschochet
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Sorry but as much as I’m willing to criticize the Democrats (there’s a whole lot to rip them for) I’m not seeing them doing any primary challenges for not towing the line. I’m not seeing the liberal base angrily demanding loyalty to one man and being willing to kick out of the Democratic Party anyone who isn’t. There is nobody in the Democratic Party facing what Crenshaw and Liz Cheney are currently facing.
This is not a both sides thing. It’s a Republican thing, and it’s awful. I think conservatives need to own it.
Crenshaw had a piece earlier in the year where he said too many of the gop have gotten away from issues and are more worried about “owning” the left. More truth. You see it often here.
but he also has a commercial where he’s parachuting in to fight antifa in Georgia.
so he’s figured out how to appeal to all levels of wisdom
but he also has a commercial where he’s parachuting in to fight antifa in Georgia.
so he’s figured out how to appeal to all levels of wisdom
