Crowell v.s. McKinnon (1 Viewer)

[shoecrew22]

Prevailing thoughts and opinions?

Both guys are available in a lot of leagues still. The shark pool is always great at predicting the next big guys..

let's here the arguments boys

skill

opportunity

situation

 

[groin pains]

This is pretty difficult to predict. McKinnon value is based on any potential suspension to AP. Both are currently #2's Gun to my head, I would go with McKinnon. I think the NFL has egg on their face and AP's punishment may be swift and severe.

 

[Englishteacher]

Pure talent, I think you go Crowell. Opportunity, with Peterson's situation, maybe McKinnon.

I dropped Crowell for Asiatta but that's more of a redraft move than a dynasty one.

We have small rosters and can carry only 5 RB's. Charles, Lacy, Hyde, Michael, and now, Asiata are my guys. I think it has to do with your league and team structure what you need. Outside of Charles and Lacy (who has a rung bell), I didn't have a guy on my roster who was going to get a lion's share of carries.I'm already carrying Hyde who is a backup (albeit, one of the better ones) and Michael who was largely inactive last year and is currently hurt. I needed a guy who could cover byes and fill in if Lacy's concussions are serious.

Crowell was SEC Freshman of the Year, so he's legit. He's also a major headcase.

Mckinnon is a new guy to the position and he played at a small school.

I'd say Crowell is probably more "pro ready", given he was a 5 star recruit and played in the SEC at RB, as opposed to McKinnon. Then again, McKinnon was drafted and Crowell was not. Some major red flags there with character.

Both should be backups initially with the starters out, but I see West as more of an impediment than Asiata. While solid, Asiata probably won't wow you. If McKinnon can play and "get it" he faces less competition.

Murky.

 

[Casting Couch]

Assuming both will be splitting carries, I like Crowell. Having said that, I think Crowell sees more touches over the course of the season

Answer = Crowell

 

[shoecrew22]

Great replies gentlemen!

Lets keep this going...

 

[Englishteacher]

Assuming both will be splitting carries, I like Crowell. Having said that, I think Crowell sees more touches over the course of the season

Answer = Crowell

I like Crowell, the ball player, much better too. The rest of the equation, including the character thing, is murky.

But, SEC Freshman of the Year is impressive. Given the right opportunity and getting some direction, I like Crowell.

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

I think in dynasty they are both super intriguing but I like McKinnon more because I believe this will be ADPs last season in minny and Asiata is IMO just a holdover fillin rashad Jennings type... I believe the browns believe in Terrance west and if Tate stays injured I think they will try to be right by giving west ultimately more opportunity to keep the job than the Vikings will give to Asiata to keep the job in minny...

Crowell and McKinnon are both very capable of becoming stud RBs in tho league... McKinnon is going to blow the doors off of his opportunity in my opinion... He is a freakazoid and I think he runs with more power than people will expect... I'd be happy with either one but I'd choose McKinnon if I could only go with one guy

 

[Time Kibitzer]

McKinnon's nowhere near being able to handle a full RB load, yet alone if he ever does become able. Crowell by a mile.

 

[treat88]

Assuming that AP is gone for an extended period, I'd go McKinnon.

I agree he's extremely raw, but Asiata is not nearly the competition for touches that Tate, who will be back at some point even if not for long, and West are.

I'm not sure we know Crowell is able to handle a full load anymore than we do McKinnon is. Rooks both.

 

[DAG]

I think if you're willing to wait it out a bit longer McKinnon has the higher ceiling considering the combination of athleticism + having his head on straight + Norv Turner + a better organization. More immediately, I'm guessing (emphasis on guessing because we don't know a lot about either guy) that Crowell could be more immediately productive since McKinnon is the one making the bigger positional transition (from option QB/multi-threat weapon to RB).

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Assuming that AP is gone for an extended period, I'd go McKinnon.

I agree he's extremely raw, but Asiata is not nearly the competition for touches that Tate, who will be back at some point even if not for long, and West are.

I'm not sure we know Crowell is able to handle a full load anymore than we do McKinnon is. Rooks both.

Crowell was handling a full load in an NFL style offense in the SEC as an 18 year old. Barely over a month ago McKinnon took his first handoff from the backfield in a game since high school. Simply being rookies has little to do with it.

 

[mrbigg]

I'm going with Crowell. Opportunity will show itself to him down the season. No way this will be Ben Tate only injury. Strong athletic ability. McKinnon is still behind Asia and I believe he will slowly get eased in. I like the Browns running game. And when Josh Gordon comes back and open that whole field up, Rb on that team will have an increased in ypc

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

Assuming that AP is gone for an extended period, I'd go McKinnon.

I agree he's extremely raw, but Asiata is not nearly the competition for touches that Tate, who will be back at some point even if not for long, and West are.

I'm not sure we know Crowell is able to handle a full load anymore than we do McKinnon is. Rooks both.

Crowell was handling a full load in an NFL style offense in the SEC as an 18 year old. Barely over a month ago McKinnon took his first handoff from the backfield in a game since high school. Simply being rookies has little to do with it.

Raw yes but let's wait and see how he stacks up... Patterson is raw as a WR but that doesn't seem to mess with him too much... An honestly it's not like he was playing CB and changed to RB... He was playin option QB and calling plays from the pistol... As far as protections is it all that much different seeing the play from 2 or 3 yds further back in the backfield? He has tremendous short area quickness and wiggle in tight spaces which is huge for an RB... I don't know anything abt how either of these guys are in pass protection at this pt so I won't speak to that.I think he will flash big time with a few touches and even being raw he will carve a role out for himself in this offense for the future... In actually very high in Crowell also and if he keeps his head on straight I believe he can be special as well...

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Assuming that AP is gone for an extended period, I'd go McKinnon.

I agree he's extremely raw, but Asiata is not nearly the competition for touches that Tate, who will be back at some point even if not for long, and West are.

I'm not sure we know Crowell is able to handle a full load anymore than we do McKinnon is. Rooks both.

Crowell was handling a full load in an NFL style offense in the SEC as an 18 year old. Barely over a month ago McKinnon took his first handoff from the backfield in a game since high school. Simply being rookies has little to do with it.

Raw yes but let's wait and see how he stacks up... Patterson is raw as a WR but that doesn't seem to mess with him too much... An honestly it's not like he was playing CB and changed to RB... He was playin option QB and calling plays from the pistol... As far as protections is it all that much different seeing the play from 2 or 3 yds further back in the backfield? He has tremendous short area quickness and wiggle in tight spaces which is huge for an RB... I don't know anything abt how either of these guys are in pass protection at this pt so I won't speak to that.I think he will flash big time with a few touches and even being raw he will carve a role out for himself in this offense for the future... In actually very high in Crowell also and if he keeps his head on straight I believe he can be special as well...

It's hugely different imo. Running QB sweeps over and over is very different from running between the tackles against an NFL defense. He's definitely fast but I'm not convinced he has great wiggle in tight spaces, and he seems to go down on first contact very frequently. I don't see much reason to think he'll be anything more than a COP back in the NFL. Especially in his rookie season, regardless of ADP's presence.

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

Assuming that AP is gone for an extended period, I'd go McKinnon.

I agree he's extremely raw, but Asiata is not nearly the competition for touches that Tate, who will be back at some point even if not for long, and West are.

I'm not sure we know Crowell is able to handle a full load anymore than we do McKinnon is. Rooks both.

Crowell was handling a full load in an NFL style offense in the SEC as an 18 year old. Barely over a month ago McKinnon took his first handoff from the backfield in a game since high school. Simply being rookies has little to do with it.

Raw yes but let's wait and see how he stacks up... Patterson is raw as a WR but that doesn't seem to mess with him too much... An honestly it's not like he was playing CB and changed to RB... He was playin option QB and calling plays from the pistol... As far as protections is it all that much different seeing the play from 2 or 3 yds further back in the backfield? He has tremendous short area quickness and wiggle in tight spaces which is huge for an RB... I don't know anything abt how either of these guys are in pass protection at this pt so I won't speak to that.I think he will flash big time with a few touches and even being raw he will carve a role out for himself in this offense for the future... In actually very high in Crowell also and if he keeps his head on straight I believe he can be special as well...

It's hugely different imo. Running QB sweeps over and over is very different from running between the tackles against an NFL defense. He's definitely fast but I'm not convinced he has great wiggle in tight spaces, and he seems to go down on first contact very frequently. I don't see much reason to think he'll be anything more than a COP back in the NFL. Especially in his rookie season, regardless of ADP's presence.

We shall see I guess one way or another... The only small sample size we have for how he runs between the tackles was this preseason...

 

[lod01]

Crowell is a 5 star talent coming out of HS and probably the best RB in this class. Had he not screwed up so bad in college, this discussion wouldn't even be happening. 5-11, 225 he has Marshawn Lynch potential.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Assuming that AP is gone for an extended period, I'd go McKinnon.

I agree he's extremely raw, but Asiata is not nearly the competition for touches that Tate, who will be back at some point even if not for long, and West are.

I'm not sure we know Crowell is able to handle a full load anymore than we do McKinnon is. Rooks both.

Crowell was handling a full load in an NFL style offense in the SEC as an 18 year old. Barely over a month ago McKinnon took his first handoff from the backfield in a game since high school. Simply being rookies has little to do with it.

Ok, I'll bite. How is 430 carries from the QB position in 24 games (18/game) -- along with being responsible for the entire offense -- not 'carrying the load'?

 

[ericttspikes]

Georgia Southern beating Florida without completing a pass was great. I think McKinnon can handle being a NFL RB. Agree that he is raw, but his potential is exciting. Gets a rap for being small, but he's the same weight and only an inch smaller than LT was, and I never thought of him as a small back.

Crowell looks great in his brief NFL action, but seems to come with more baggage. I think West is a better RB than Asiata though. Looking forward to McKinnon getting some carries at the next level.

 

[Biabreakable]

I believe McKinnon is the better athlete. A more football smart player capable of giving good production in a variety of roles for a football team than Crowell.

Neither one of them is very experienced with protecting the QB at the NFL level.

The competition for playing time and opportunity would be in Crowells favor, depending on what ends up happening with Adrian Peterson.

I have McKinnon ranked higher than Crowell in dynasty. I have him ranked ahead of Terrance West as well. My last rookie rankings I posted August 25th had McKinnon in the second tier of prospects. 21st overall.

This was before the terrible news about Adrian Peterson. I am not sure how much higher McKinnon's value goes up now. But he has a clearer path to playing now than I thought he would a few days ago.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Assuming that AP is gone for an extended period, I'd go McKinnon.

I agree he's extremely raw, but Asiata is not nearly the competition for touches that Tate, who will be back at some point even if not for long, and West are.

I'm not sure we know Crowell is able to handle a full load anymore than we do McKinnon is. Rooks both.

Crowell was handling a full load in an NFL style offense in the SEC as an 18 year old. Barely over a month ago McKinnon took his first handoff from the backfield in a game since high school. Simply being rookies has little to do with it.

Ok, I'll bite. How is 430 carries from the QB position in 24 games (18/game) -- along with being responsible for the entire offense -- not 'carrying the load'?

It's more like "carrying the load from the RB position".

 

[mrbigg]

Assuming that AP is gone for an extended period, I'd go McKinnon.

I agree he's extremely raw, but Asiata is not nearly the competition for touches that Tate, who will be back at some point even if not for long, and West are.

I'm not sure we know Crowell is able to handle a full load anymore than we do McKinnon is. Rooks both.

Crowell was handling a full load in an NFL style offense in the SEC as an 18 year old. Barely over a month ago McKinnon took his first handoff from the backfield in a game since high school. Simply being rookies has little to do with it.

Ok, I'll bite. How is 430 carries from the QB position in 24 games (18/game) -- along with being responsible for the entire offense -- not 'carrying the load'?

It's more like "carrying the load from the RB position".

Be funny if on a run play he gets the ball and then throw it deep

 

[treat88]

Assuming that AP is gone for an extended period, I'd go McKinnon.

I agree he's extremely raw, but Asiata is not nearly the competition for touches that Tate, who will be back at some point even if not for long, and West are.

I'm not sure we know Crowell is able to handle a full load anymore than we do McKinnon is. Rooks both.

Crowell was handling a full load in an NFL style offense in the SEC as an 18 year old. Barely over a month ago McKinnon took his first handoff from the backfield in a game since high school. Simply being rookies has little to do with it.

I do understand what you are saying and he certainly looked like a stud in 2011.

In the interim he has struggled to play through some relatively minor lower extremity injuries, including this pre season.

He also, as I'm sure you know, fell out of the draft due to the character concerns.

I just don't buy that he has shown that he can be relied upon any more or any less than McKinnon has. If you think he's a better RB, that's cool, I won't argue that. But he hasn't shown he can stay on the field for a "full load" at all.

 

[Ryan Swope's Pro Career]

Let's revisit this now that both have been trendy pickups over the past two week. Who would you rather have ROS?

 

[munygon2]

I'd rather have Crowell ROS.

 

[mnmplayer]

Assuming that AP is gone for an extended period, I'd go McKinnon.

I agree he's extremely raw, but Asiata is not nearly the competition for touches that Tate, who will be back at some point even if not for long, and West are.

I'm not sure we know Crowell is able to handle a full load anymore than we do McKinnon is. Rooks both.

Crowell was handling a full load in an NFL style offense in the SEC as an 18 year old. Barely over a month ago McKinnon took his first handoff from the backfield in a game since high school. Simply being rookies has little to do with it.

Ok, I'll bite. How is 430 carries from the QB position in 24 games (18/game) -- along with being responsible for the entire offense -- not 'carrying the load'?

It's more like "carrying the load from the RB position".

Be funny if on a run play he gets the ball and then throw it deep

its a legit threat. LT had more than a few TD passes in his career, and I think it was under Norm. I have to assume McKinnon is a better passer than LT so the thought probably has crossed Norm's mind. it would be a fancy way to get CP a TD.

Edited to add: Looked it up and LT had a passer rating of 146.9 with 7 TDs & 0 INTs.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Unless you think Crowell is going to pass Ben Tate it's gotta be McKinnon at this point.

 

[nastynate]

The greater opportunity is with McKinnon.

 

[Kendall The Great]

Just a heads up, Min RB situation is back to being clear as mud...

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/298248/vikings-wants-to-get-asiatas-touches-back-up

Vikings wants to get Asiata's touches back up

Coach Mike Zimmer said he wants to get Matt Asiata more touches this week against the Bills.

Zimmer expanded and added that he wants Jerick McKinnon's touches to come down from Week 6. Against the Lions last Sunday, McKinnon out-touched Asiata 17-3 and out-snapped Asiata 48-15. Zimmer wants that to change because Asiata is "dependable," and added that running backs who can't pass-protect can "get the quarterback killed." We take that as a direct reference to the raw McKinnon. McKinnon is a high-upside stach, while Asiata is a low-upside RB3.
Source: Joe Buscaglia on Twitter
Oct 15 - 12:32 PM

 

[MikeApf]

Prevailing thoughts and opinions?

Both guys are available in a lot of leagues still. The shark pool is always great at predicting the next big guys..

let's here the arguments boys

skill

opportunity

situation

I'd say McKinnon. Has a legit chance to start from hear forward. I don't think AP is coming back and so he can win the job outright.

Crowell needs an injury to Tate to win the job, IMO though he could beat out West for # 2.

On balance, advantage McKinnon...

 

[mrbigg]

If McKinnon gets the lead within the next 3 weeks, I expect a Teddy injury following it shortly

 

[mnmplayer]

don't go out on a limb or anything since he was already injured and missed a game with Asiata starting (in his first game)...

 

[oswizzle]

more like his first game as a pro and all the running around he did....he would have been fine if the next game wasn't on Thursday