Crumpler (1 Viewer)

[Banger]

I've read the impact of the trade on Duckett, Betts, Portis, Vick, Lelie, the Alt wr's, etc. but haven't really heard how you guys feel the trade will impact Crumpler. I think that this probably bumps him up 2-3 td's over the course of a season. Thoughts?

 

[Texican]

Maybe. More likely Vick runs it in instead of Ducket, IMO

 

[Dolfan]

I'm worried about Crumpler's injury issue..

 

[Banger]

Maybe. More likely Vick runs it in instead of Ducket, IMO

I can definitely see Vick getting a few but I don't think they are gonna look to have him get pounded as the GL back. I think the td's will be distributed amongst Dunn, Vick and Crumpler. Duckett averaged 10 td's over the last 3 years so there are a couple to go around.

 

[radballs]

Bump up Koenen significantly.

 

[Banger]

I'm worried about Crumpler's injury issue..

agreed but it sounds like he's on track for the opener. He's already Vick's top target so chemistry issues really aren't a concern.

 

[The Shizzle]

Dolfan Posted Today, 08:48 AM I'm worried about Crumpler's injury issue..

Agreed. Duckett's 8-10 TD's must go somewhere. Will this affect Vick's ranking? If Duckett gets 6-10 TD's per year, assume Dunn will take 1-3, Norwood and Griff take 3-5, Vick will run for 3-5 and maybe throw for 2-4 more? Anything think Vick should move up 3-4 QB's? I know those numbers don't add up right, Any thoughts on who those will spread out to?

 

[radballs]

Duckett's 8-10 TD's must go somewhere.

No they don't. Look for the offense to stall out more in the red zone and Koenen to get more kicking opportunities.

 

[Texican]

Duckett's 8-10 TD's must go somewhere.

No they don't. Look for the offense to stall out more in the red zone and Koenen to get more kicking opportunities.

Koenen owner?

 

[cr8f]

Give it to Griffith or McCrary.

 

[Tau837]

Duckett's 8-10 TD's must go somewhere.

No they don't. Look for the offense to stall out more in the red zone and Koenen to get more kicking opportunities.

I disagree with this. Last year for Duckett:Outside the opponent's 5 yard line: 109/370/1 rushing (3.4 ypc)Opponent's 5 yard line to goal line: 12/10/7 rushingI don't see the Falcons offense stalling because it doesn't get Duckett's 3.4 ypc production outside the goal line area. Unless you mean by stalling that they will be unable to punch it in from the goal line and will have to kick more point blank FGs.

 

[Tau837]

More on topic, Duckett scored 8 TDs last season. Dunn scored only 4. I think Dunn is now a lock for 8 and could easily get 10.

So that leaves only a few TDs to distribute. I don't see a big change for Crumpler. I mean, he had 5 last year, and I could see him with maybe 6 TDs this year, but that is a pretty trivial difference, and I personally expect a bump in WR TDs. I think Crumpler will basically get the same looks he got last year.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Duckett's 8-10 TD's must go somewhere.

No they don't. Look for the offense to stall out more in the red zone and Koenen to get more kicking opportunities.

Excellent point. J

 

[Tau837]

Duckett's 8-10 TD's must go somewhere.

No they don't. Look for the offense to stall out more in the red zone and Koenen to get more kicking opportunities.

Excellent point. J

Why is this an excellent point?To put a finer point on my earlier post in response to radballs, consider last year's red zone numbers for Duckett:Opp 20 -- Opp 6 - 11/42/1 rushing and 0 targets - is losing this level of production going to stall drives in the red zone?Opp 5 - Opp G - 12/10/7 rushing and 0 targets - does this "stalling in the red zone" argument really amount to an argument that Atlanta won't be able to punch it in from the goal line?

 

[cws3030]

Maybe. More likely Vick runs it in instead of Ducket, IMO

Maybe it's Matt Schuab.... more running for Mr. Vick = more chance of injury

 

[Joe Bryant]

Duckett's 8-10 TD's must go somewhere.

No they don't. Look for the offense to stall out more in the red zone and Koenen to get more kicking opportunities.

Excellent point. J

Why is this an excellent point?To put a finer point on my earlier post in response to radballs, consider last year's red zone numbers for Duckett:Opp 20 -- Opp 6 - 11/42/1 rushing and 0 targets - is losing this level of production going to stall drives in the red zone?Opp 5 - Opp G - 12/10/7 rushing and 0 targets - does this "stalling in the red zone" argument really amount to an argument that Atlanta won't be able to punch it in from the goal line?

Hi jstwin,I think because of what you have above. Duckett was outstanding at the goal line converting on 7 of his 12 attempts.Are you saying you think Dunn will be as successful as Duckett was?J

 

[Banger]

Duckett's 8-10 TD's must go somewhere.

No they don't. Look for the offense to stall out more in the red zone and Koenen to get more kicking opportunities.

Excellent point. J

Why is this an excellent point?To put a finer point on my earlier post in response to radballs, consider last year's red zone numbers for Duckett:Opp 20 -- Opp 6 - 11/42/1 rushing and 0 targets - is losing this level of production going to stall drives in the red zone?Opp 5 - Opp G - 12/10/7 rushing and 0 targets - does this "stalling in the red zone" argument really amount to an argument that Atlanta won't be able to punch it in from the goal line?

Hi jstwin,I think because of what you have above. Duckett was outstanding at the goal line converting on 7 of his 12 attempts.Are you saying you think Dunn will be as successful as Duckett was?J

In reality though even if he's half as effective and scores on 4 of 12, it would be 3 additional FG's. A bump but nothing to go make him any more attractive IMO.

 

[Tau837]

Duckett's 8-10 TD's must go somewhere.

No they don't. Look for the offense to stall out more in the red zone and Koenen to get more kicking opportunities.

Excellent point. J

Why is this an excellent point?To put a finer point on my earlier post in response to radballs, consider last year's red zone numbers for Duckett:Opp 20 -- Opp 6 - 11/42/1 rushing and 0 targets - is losing this level of production going to stall drives in the red zone?Opp 5 - Opp G - 12/10/7 rushing and 0 targets - does this "stalling in the red zone" argument really amount to an argument that Atlanta won't be able to punch it in from the goal line?

Hi jstwin,I think because of what you have above. Duckett was outstanding at the goal line converting on 7 of his 12 attempts.Are you saying you think Dunn will be as successful as Duckett was?J

Well, I posted on this in the other Dunn thread. In the 11 games since 2002 in which Duckett had 0 touches (not sure if he literally missed all of them, as the number of 0 touch games doesn't match games missed in career statistics in the FBG player pages), Dunn scored 7 rushing TDs. In the other 47 games Dunn played since 2002, he scored a total of 15 rushing TDs. It isn't conclusive evidence, but it certainly looks promising for Dunn. I don't know how to easily pin down the splits to a game log level (i.e., how did Dunn do at the goal line in those specific games that Duckett missed), but this data looks good for Dunn at first glance.The numbers aren't detailed enough for me to prove this, but I suspect that most of Dunn's 35 carries from the opponent's 5 yard line and in since 2002 have not been right on the goal line, but instead have tended to be at the 4-5 yard line... whereas I suspect that Duckett's 41 carries in that area have tended to be at the 1 or 2 yard line... if that were true, that could be enough to explain the discrepancy between Dunn's 12 rushing TDs in 35 such carries vs. Duckett's 22 rushing TDs in 41 such carries. But I can't really prove any of this.Even if my theory isn't true, and Duckett is a better goal line runner, that doesn't in and of itself mean that Dunn can't get the job done given more opportunities.And, besides, we're talking about 7 conversions in 12 attempts. Dunn's own conversion rate since 2002 would indicate that he would punch in 4 of those himself. So the question becomes, what happened on those other 3 times that Duckett "would have" punched it in? Well, unless it was 4th down, the team still had another chance to get it in, so missing those 3 TDs doesn't necessarily equate to a stall or a loss of TDs for the offense.At best, we're talking about losing a couple of TDs here. That is low enough that it isn't statistically significant. That is, the offense could gain those couple of "lost" goal line TDs back by hitting Lelie or White for a couple more long TDs this season.

 

[coolnerd]

Duckett's 8-10 TD's must go somewhere.

No they don't. Look for the offense to stall out more in the red zone and Koenen to get more kicking opportunities.

Koenen owner?

Touchdowns are not a zero sum game. The Falcons don't have to do anything with touchdowns Duckett had. Those scores could easily just disappear as remain the same or grow. If the Falcons are not as efficient at the goalline as with Duckett then they will either not score at all or kick more field goals.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Duckett's 8-10 TD's must go somewhere.

No they don't. Look for the offense to stall out more in the red zone and Koenen to get more kicking opportunities.

Excellent point. J

Why is this an excellent point?To put a finer point on my earlier post in response to radballs, consider last year's red zone numbers for Duckett:Opp 20 -- Opp 6 - 11/42/1 rushing and 0 targets - is losing this level of production going to stall drives in the red zone?Opp 5 - Opp G - 12/10/7 rushing and 0 targets - does this "stalling in the red zone" argument really amount to an argument that Atlanta won't be able to punch it in from the goal line?

Hi jstwin,I think because of what you have above. Duckett was outstanding at the goal line converting on 7 of his 12 attempts.Are you saying you think Dunn will be as successful as Duckett was?J

Well, I posted on this in the other Dunn thread. In the 11 games since 2002 in which Duckett had 0 touches (not sure if he literally missed all of them, as the number of 0 touch games doesn't match games missed in career statistics in the FBG player pages), Dunn scored 7 rushing TDs. In the other 47 games Dunn played since 2002, he scored a total of 15 rushing TDs. It isn't conclusive evidence, but it certainly looks promising for Dunn. I don't know how to easily pin down the splits to a game log level (i.e., how did Dunn do at the goal line in those specific games that Duckett missed), but this data looks good for Dunn at first glance.The numbers aren't detailed enough for me to prove this, but I suspect that most of Dunn's 35 carries from the opponent's 5 yard line and in since 2002 have not been right on the goal line, but instead have tended to be at the 4-5 yard line... whereas I suspect that Duckett's 41 carries in that area have tended to be at the 1 or 2 yard line... if that were true, that could be enough to explain the discrepancy between Dunn's 12 rushing TDs in 35 such carries vs. Duckett's 22 rushing TDs in 41 such carries. But I can't really prove any of this.Even if my theory isn't true, and Duckett is a better goal line runner, that doesn't in and of itself mean that Dunn can't get the job done given more opportunities.And, besides, we're talking about 7 conversions in 12 attempts. Dunn's own conversion rate since 2002 would indicate that he would punch in 4 of those himself. So the question becomes, what happened on those other 3 times that Duckett "would have" punched it in? Well, unless it was 4th down, the team still had another chance to get it in, so missing those 3 TDs doesn't necessarily equate to a stall or a loss of TDs for the offense.At best, we're talking about losing a couple of TDs here. That is low enough that it isn't statistically significant. That is, the offense could gain those couple of "lost" goal line TDs back by hitting Lelie or White for a couple more long TDs this season.

Hi jstwin,Good points and I see where you're coming from.I guess the thing that worries me is that Dunn was terrible last year at the goal line converting only 1 of 7 goal line rushes. Agreed, that's a VERY small sample size. But it doesn't scream "out of line" given Dunn's size.So I guess I'm with you with It's fun to speculate though and talk about. Good discussion and points.J

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

For the record (2005):



Duckett from the:

1 - 6 carries, 6 yards, 6 TD

2 - 2 carries, 2 yards, 1 TD

3 - 1 carry, 2 yards, 0 TD

4 - 2 rush, 0 yards

5 - 1 carry, 0 yards

Dunn from the:

1 - 3 carries, 1 yard, 1 TD

2 - 1 carry, -1 yards, 0 TD

3 - 0 carries

4 - 2 rush, 3 yards

5 - 1 carry, 0 yards

Vick from the:

1 - 3 carries, 3 yards, 3 TD

2 - 1 carry, 2 yards, 1 TD

3 - 1 carry. 2 yards

4 - 1 rush, 2 yards

5 - 1 carry, 0 yards

 

[Tau837]

For the record (2005):



Duckett from the:

1 - 6 carries, 6 yards, 6 TD

2 - 2 carries, 2 yards, 1 TD

3 - 1 carry, 2 yards, 0 TD

4 - 2 rush, 0 yards

5 - 1 carry, 0 yards

Dunn from the:

1 - 3 carries, 1 yard, 1 TD

2 - 1 carry, -1 yards, 0 TD

3 - 0 carries

4 - 2 rush, 3 yards

5 - 1 carry, 0 yards

Vick from the:

1 - 3 carries, 3 yards, 3 TD

2 - 1 carry, 2 yards, 1 TD

3 - 1 carry. 2 yards

4 - 1 rush, 2 yards

5 - 1 carry, 0 yards

Jeff, where did you get this data? Did you have to manually compile it, or is there a source with this breakdown?

I think that partly backs up the point I tried to make earlier. Duckett's ratio of goal line carries was more heavily weighted to the 2 and in than Dunn's. I suspect this trend probably held true in previous years as well. So the gap between Dunn's 12 TDs in 35 carries vs. Duckett's 22 in 41 since 2002 isn't quite as big as it looks.

Interesting that for the non-Duckett carries, Vick and Dunn split the carries evenly. If they get a similar number of total carries inside the 6 yard line and split them evenly again, Vick could easily add another 3-5 short rushing TDs.

 

[ImTheScientist]

 

[radballs]

Duckett's 8-10 TD's must go somewhere.

No they don't. Look for the offense to stall out more in the red zone and Koenen to get more kicking opportunities.

Koenen owner?

Touchdowns are not a zero sum game. The Falcons don't have to do anything with touchdowns Duckett had. Those scores could easily just disappear as remain the same or grow. If the Falcons are not as efficient at the goalline as with Duckett then they will either not score at all or kick more field goals.

This was my point. Some people assume that you just redistribute those missing TDs. Sometimes they just disappear.

 

[Tau837]

Duckett's 8-10 TD's must go somewhere.

No they don't. Look for the offense to stall out more in the red zone and Koenen to get more kicking opportunities.

Koenen owner?

Touchdowns are not a zero sum game. The Falcons don't have to do anything with touchdowns Duckett had. Those scores could easily just disappear as remain the same or grow. If the Falcons are not as efficient at the goalline as with Duckett then they will either not score at all or kick more field goals.

This was my point. Some people assume that you just redistribute those missing TDs. Sometimes they just disappear.

This is true. And sometimes they increase. Here are Atlanta's rushing TD totals from the past 4 years:2005 - 172004 - 202003 - 172002 - 23If anything, I'd say it is more likely they will score more on the ground this year than less.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I'll try to get us back on topic.....

CRUMPLER: I think it helps him because they will bootleg more near the goaline resulting in either a MV TD or a Crumpler TD (more than likely) Crumpler should up his TD total to 7-8 this year because of Ducketts absence.

 

[Banger]

I'll try to get us back on topic.....CRUMPLER: I think it helps him because they will bootleg more near the goaline resulting in either a MV TD or a Crumpler TD (more than likely) Crumpler should up his TD total to 7-8 this year because of Ducketts absence.

my thoughts exactly...

 

[Tau837]

I'll try to get us back on topic.....CRUMPLER: I think it helps him because they will bootleg more near the goaline resulting in either a MV TD or a Crumpler TD (more than likely) Crumpler should up his TD total to 7-8 this year because of Ducketts absence.

So Duckett leaving = career high for TDs for Crumpler? Crumpler has been a steady contributor for years. The upside for more TDs is with Dunn, Vick, and the WRs. Crumpler is the least likely to change because of this.

 

[Banger]

I'll try to get us back on topic.....CRUMPLER: I think it helps him because they will bootleg more near the goaline resulting in either a MV TD or a Crumpler TD (more than likely) Crumpler should up his TD total to 7-8 this year because of Ducketts absence.

So Duckett leaving = career high for TDs for Crumpler? Crumpler has been a steady contributor for years. The upside for more TDs is with Dunn, Vick, and the WRs. Crumpler is the least likely to change because of this.

why the wr's and not the leading pass catcher on the team and the one who Vick has the most chemistry with?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

For the record (2005):



Duckett from the:

1 - 6 carries, 6 yards, 6 TD

2 - 2 carries, 2 yards, 1 TD

3 - 1 carry, 2 yards, 0 TD

4 - 2 rush, 0 yards

5 - 1 carry, 0 yards

Dunn from the:

1 - 3 carries, 1 yard, 1 TD

2 - 1 carry, -1 yards, 0 TD

3 - 0 carries

4 - 2 rush, 3 yards

5 - 1 carry, 0 yards

Vick from the:

1 - 3 carries, 3 yards, 3 TD

2 - 1 carry, 2 yards, 1 TD

3 - 1 carry. 2 yards

4 - 1 rush, 2 yards

5 - 1 carry, 0 yards

Jeff, where did you get this data? Did you have to manually compile it, or is there a source with this breakdown?

I think that partly backs up the point I tried to make earlier. Duckett's ratio of goal line carries was more heavily weighted to the 2 and in than Dunn's. I suspect this trend probably held true in previous years as well. So the gap between Dunn's 12 TDs in 35 carries vs. Duckett's 22 in 41 since 2002 isn't quite as big as it looks.

Interesting that for the non-Duckett carries, Vick and Dunn split the carries evenly. If they get a similar number of total carries inside the 6 yard line and split them evenly again, Vick could easily add another 3-5 short rushing TDs.

Not a re-hi-jack, just answering the question.Manually did this with the play-by-play data.

Back to CRUMPLER.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Crumpler is VERY high on my rankings for a reason, and the absence of Mr. Duckett only adds to that valuation.

Crump is THE MAN at WR/TE in Atlanta.

White / Jenkins / Lelie have to show me something - anything - that would make me change that idea. Yes, Vick has worked with the WRs in the offseason, and Crump had surgery - but when push comes to shove and Vick's running around back there looking for a receiver - I'm betting that his eyes gravitate towards the big guy running down the seam.

 

[bonesman]

For the record (2005):



Duckett from the:

1 - 6 carries, 6 yards, 6 TD

2 - 2 carries, 2 yards, 1 TD

3 - 1 carry, 2 yards, 0 TD

4 - 2 rush, 0 yards

5 - 1 carry, 0 yards

Dunn from the:

1 - 3 carries, 1 yard, 1 TD

2 - 1 carry, -1 yards, 0 TD

3 - 0 carries

4 - 2 rush, 3 yards

5 - 1 carry, 0 yards

Vick from the:

1 - 3 carries, 3 yards, 3 TD

2 - 1 carry, 2 yards, 1 TD

3 - 1 carry. 2 yards

4 - 1 rush, 2 yards

5 - 1 carry, 0 yards

while this is telling... i think 1st downs converted on 3rd/2nd and short (especially in opponents territory) will tell you more about wether or not drives are more likely to stall w/ out Duckett

 

[Aaronstory]

Crumpler is VERY high on my rankings for a reason, and the absence of Mr. Duckett only adds to that valuation.Crump is THE MAN at WR/TE in Atlanta.White / Jenkins / Lelie have to show me something - anything - that would make me change that idea. Yes, Vick has worked with the WRs in the offseason, and Crump had surgery - but when push comes to shove and Vick's running around back there looking for a receiver - I'm betting that his eyes gravitate towards the big guy running down the seam.

I couldn't agree more here. Crumpler is the one constant for Vick.

 

[Tau837]

Crumpler is VERY high on my rankings for a reason, and the absence of Mr. Duckett only adds to that valuation.Crump is THE MAN at WR/TE in Atlanta.White / Jenkins / Lelie have to show me something - anything - that would make me change that idea. Yes, Vick has worked with the WRs in the offseason, and Crump had surgery - but when push comes to shove and Vick's running around back there looking for a receiver - I'm betting that his eyes gravitate towards the big guy running down the seam.

I couldn't agree more here. Crumpler is the one constant for Vick.

Let's step back for a moment. The thread was started about how Duckett's trade affects Crumpler's value. I responded to some degree about that, but also helped take us down a tangent about how Duckett's trade affects the Atlanta offense and Dunn in particular.Then I think some simply started posting generally about how good Crumpler is. That isn't the issue under discussion here IMO. I mean, I don't think anyone is here arguing that he isn't good.To Jeff's post: Crumpler had 65/877/5 receiving. What is your current projection for Crumpler, just to get some numbers on the table? How much of those numbers do you feel is related to Duckett leaving?Aaronstory: Crumpler was Vick's constant last year. So what are you saying, he'll get more than 65/877/5 this year? How much more? How much due to Duckett leaving?EDIT: The reason I'm interested in the "how much due to Duckett" part of this is because (a) it is the thread topic and (b) if one determines this, one can determine how much of Duckett's expected production is available for others like Dunn & Vick... which is actually more interesting to me.

 

[Aaronstory]

Crumpler is VERY high on my rankings for a reason, and the absence of Mr. Duckett only adds to that valuation.Crump is THE MAN at WR/TE in Atlanta.White / Jenkins / Lelie have to show me something - anything - that would make me change that idea. Yes, Vick has worked with the WRs in the offseason, and Crump had surgery - but when push comes to shove and Vick's running around back there looking for a receiver - I'm betting that his eyes gravitate towards the big guy running down the seam.

I couldn't agree more here. Crumpler is the one constant for Vick.

Aaronstory: Crumpler was Vick's constant last year. So what are you saying, he'll get more than 65/877/5 this year? How much more? How much due to Duckett leaving?

Good points all around, but I'll concentrate on my contribution. (Sorry, posting at work limits the length of my posts)I actually agree with those above that think the kicking game will get a boost. The ATL offense has hardly been what I would call an offensive powerhouse. They run the ball well, and Vick does his thing. The limited success they have had in any semblance of a passing game has come from Crumpler, although the two young WRs started to show a glimmer last year.Taking Duckett out of the equation, in my mind, limits their goalline efficiency, not their red-zone efficiency.Taking it down to the 1 yard line will not be the problem. It's what to do when they get there. Banging Dunn and/or the rookie into the line seems pointless (at least to me). Their WRs are hardly big endzone targets. That leaves Vick and Crumpler, which means Vick running or Vick passing to Crumpler. What I would gather from that is that both Vick and Crumpler will see slight bumps in thier TD totals (perhaps one or two). But it's not like DCs will not be keying on Crumpler, which is why I don't think you will see a large jump in TD #s, but rather more stalled drives.If you understand any of that, I'll be very impressed. I hate posting at work...

 

[radballs]

I'll try to get us back on topic.....CRUMPLER: I think it helps him because they will bootleg more near the goaline resulting in either a MV TD or a Crumpler TD (more than likely) Crumpler should up his TD total to 7-8 this year because of Ducketts absence.

This thread was never hijacked as far as I can tell. Talking about the team as a whole gives us all a greater insight about the opportunities for each of the individuals. That means making comments about Duckett's loss and how it affects Dunn, Vick, or nobody is also relevant to whether or not it affects Crumpler at all.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Crumpler is VERY high on my rankings for a reason, and the absence of Mr. Duckett only adds to that valuation.Crump is THE MAN at WR/TE in Atlanta.White / Jenkins / Lelie have to show me something - anything - that would make me change that idea. Yes, Vick has worked with the WRs in the offseason, and Crump had surgery - but when push comes to shove and Vick's running around back there looking for a receiver - I'm betting that his eyes gravitate towards the big guy running down the seam.

I couldn't agree more here. Crumpler is the one constant for Vick.

Let's step back for a moment. The thread was started about how Duckett's trade affects Crumpler's value. I responded to some degree about that, but also helped take us down a tangent about how Duckett's trade affects the Atlanta offense and Dunn in particular.Then I think some simply started posting generally about how good Crumpler is. That isn't the issue under discussion here IMO. I mean, I don't think anyone is here arguing that he isn't good.To Jeff's post: Crumpler had 65/877/5 receiving. What is your current projection for Crumpler, just to get some numbers on the table? How much of those numbers do you feel is related to Duckett leaving?Aaronstory: Crumpler was Vick's constant last year. So what are you saying, he'll get more than 65/877/5 this year? How much more? How much due to Duckett leaving?EDIT: The reason I'm interested in the "how much due to Duckett" part of this is because (a) it is the thread topic and (b) if one determines this, one can determine how much of Duckett's expected production is available for others like Dunn & Vick... which is actually more interesting to me.

To my portion:I had Crump in the 60-70 rec / 700-800 yard / 6 TD camp before the trade.Now I have Crump at the high end of all those ranges, with 7 TDS.I'd expect 70/850/7 now for him.I think one of the Duckett TDs goes to Crump.I can see where you are going with this.I think of the 8 TDs from Duckett last year - 1 goes to Vick, 3 to Dunn, rushing. Crump gets 1 more receiving, and maybe a WR gets another. That is 6. Two disappear and become field goals.That's my

 

[Sweetness_34]

Not to hijack the thread, but I believe the exact same scenario will occur in Pittsburgh, where Ben liks to roll out too and Cowher is going to increase the % of passing this year for the Steelers, with Ben being more mature etc. What this means is that Heath Miller will get more TDs this year with Bettis gone.

What do folks think about the Miller scenario with Bettis now gone and FWP unproven as goal line back.