culpepper to visit detroit (1 Viewer)

[jrat169]

the detroit lions are very interested in aquiring culpepper if he gets cut this week

 

[Ilov80s]

the detroit lions are very interested in aquiring culpepper if he gets cut this week

not that coaches wouldn't lie to the press, but Marinellli stated this week that the Lions have zero interest in Culpepper.

 

[NoFBinLA]

Why in the name of all things football would they even do that?

Is Stanton suddenly a debacle? Did Kitna choke on some wings and fall into a coma?

Where's my :smokescreen: smiley I keep asking for. I need it.

 

[Dhizz]

the detroit lions are very interested in aquiring culpepper if he gets cut this week

not that coaches wouldn't lie to the press, but Marinellli stated this week that the Lions have zero interest in Culpepper.

They just drafted a QB, they have Kitna, is there any chance on earth he'd go "Man that QB for the Dolphins, I'd like to bring him in". You can't publicly throw all your QBs under the bus, regardless of who your QBs are, or who you’re getting.Cpepp put up amazing numbers with Moss/Carter. Roy/Calvin might be the kind of weapons that could bring Cpepp back. He's 30. He's had less injuries then McNabb, but people are saying he's done. Based on what?He has a canon, he needs the right team, and he can at least be fairly effective. This guy has one of the top 10 QB seasons on all time. I find it hard to believe that was an accident.

 

[Dhizz]

Why in the name of all things football would they even do that?Is Stanton suddenly a debacle? Did Kitna choke on some wings and fall into a coma?Where's my :smokescreen: smiley I keep asking for. I need it.

Cpepp is 5 years younger then Kitna, has generally put up far better numbers in his career, and Stanton is a lottery ticket. If you can get Cpepp CHEAP "4 year 10 mil" type deal, I'd eat that up if I were a Lions fan. Lets say Kitna is done after this year, you really feel good about Stanton in 2008? I'll take a 31 year old healthy Cpepp.

 

[pinequick]

the detroit lions are very interested in aquiring culpepper if he gets cut this week

Please post a link if you start a thread w/ info like this. TIA.

 

[NoFBinLA]

Why in the name of all things football would they even do that?Is Stanton suddenly a debacle? Did Kitna choke on some wings and fall into a coma?Where's my :smokescreen: smiley I keep asking for. I need it.

Cpepp is 5 years younger then Kitna, has generally put up far better numbers in his career, and Stanton is a lottery ticket. If you can get Cpepp CHEAP "4 year 10 mil" type deal, I'd eat that up if I were a Lions fan. Lets say Kitna is done after this year, you really feel good about Stanton in 2008? I'll take a 31 year old healthy Cpepp.

I don't see that kinda deal - from either side - happening.A lot of ifs here -- IF kitna is done, IF Stanton is no good, IF they are willing to roll the dice on CPepp's wheel and cough up solid money for it...I'm not saying it can't happen. I just don't think it will.

 

[Mimo]

This was talked about in the link below a few days ago but as a poster stated earlier Marinelli is on the record stating he has no interest.

BTW.........Kelly Herndon is scheduled to visit the Lions.

http://forums.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=93#S=93&F=1801

 

[jrat169]

thanks for the link Mimo

 

[lions327]

Marinelli said yesterday that the Lions are not interested in Culpepper.

 

[ruelvis]

the detroit lions are very interested in aquiring culpepper if he gets cut this week

Please post a link if you start a thread w/ info like this. TIA.

my guess is that the link says barry sanders is driving him there and they're both gonna try out at the same time...

 

[Dhizz]

the detroit lions are very interested in aquiring culpepper if he gets cut this week

Please post a link if you start a thread w/ info like this. TIA.

my guess is that the link says barry sanders is driving him there and they're both gonna try out at the same time...

Sanders comes out to retirement, and is named week 1 starter.Odds on him getting 1,000 yards?

 

[redman]

The real question for the board is, who made more of a spectacle of themself yesterday, Culpepper or Paris Hilton?

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

The real question for the board is, who made more of a spectacle of themself yesterday, Culpepper or Paris Hilton?

Culpepper was trying to make a spectacle though.

 

[fsufan]

Why in the name of all things football would they even do that?Is Stanton suddenly a debacle? Did Kitna choke on some wings and fall into a coma?Where's my :smokescreen: smiley I keep asking for. I need it.

think about it. Culpepper sits in 07 and get healthy. The Lions do not have to use their top 5 pick in 08 on a QB. Culpepper is the start in 08 and throwing the ball to CJ and Williams will be a FF stud once more

 

[lions327]

Why in the name of all things football would they even do that?Is Stanton suddenly a debacle? Did Kitna choke on some wings and fall into a coma?Where's my :smokescreen: smiley I keep asking for. I need it.

think about it. Culpepper sits in 07 and get healthy. The Lions do not have to use their top 5 pick in 08 on a QB. Culpepper is the start in 08 and throwing the ball to CJ and Williams will be a FF stud once more

They drafted Stanton in the 2nd round. The Lions don't have to use a pick at all next year on a rookie QB. They are very high on Stanton, and Martz thinks he will become a great QB. As good as Martz is with lesser talents, I don't doubt him for a minute. Stanton is the most gifted QB he has ever worked with. Culpepper would not be a fit in Martz' offense anyways. He is not coming here, and even if Stanton wasn't here, I still don't think the Lions would try to get him.

 

[Dhizz]

Why in the name of all things football would they even do that?Is Stanton suddenly a debacle? Did Kitna choke on some wings and fall into a coma?Where's my :smokescreen: smiley I keep asking for. I need it.

think about it. Culpepper sits in 07 and get healthy. The Lions do not have to use their top 5 pick in 08 on a QB. Culpepper is the start in 08 and throwing the ball to CJ and Williams will be a FF stud once more

They drafted Stanton in the 2nd round. The Lions don't have to use a pick at all next year on a rookie QB. They are very high on Stanton, and Martz thinks he will become a great QB. As good as Martz is with lesser talents, I don't doubt him for a minute. Stanton is the most gifted QB he has ever worked with. Culpepper would not be a fit in Martz' offense anyways. He is not coming here, and even if Stanton wasn't here, I still don't think the Lions would try to get him.

Culpepper wouldn't fit in his offense? Huh? Baking powder?69.2% 4717yards 39tds 11intsCareer64% 90.8 QB rating.Accurate, big arm, solid. 1st year in the league he throws for 4k yards and 33 tds? Mcnabb is a train wreck physically, but Cpepp is done and washed up. People are forgetting the monster seasons this guy has put up in the past.I guess what you mean by not fit in Martz offense, is he's actually accomplished in the NFL, Martz prefers grocery clerks.

 

[lions327]

Why in the name of all things football would they even do that?Is Stanton suddenly a debacle? Did Kitna choke on some wings and fall into a coma?Where's my :smokescreen: smiley I keep asking for. I need it.

think about it. Culpepper sits in 07 and get healthy. The Lions do not have to use their top 5 pick in 08 on a QB. Culpepper is the start in 08 and throwing the ball to CJ and Williams will be a FF stud once more

They drafted Stanton in the 2nd round. The Lions don't have to use a pick at all next year on a rookie QB. They are very high on Stanton, and Martz thinks he will become a great QB. As good as Martz is with lesser talents, I don't doubt him for a minute. Stanton is the most gifted QB he has ever worked with. Culpepper would not be a fit in Martz' offense anyways. He is not coming here, and even if Stanton wasn't here, I still don't think the Lions would try to get him.

Culpepper wouldn't fit in his offense? Huh? Baking powder?69.2% 4717yards 39tds 11intsCareer64% 90.8 QB rating.Accurate, big arm, solid. 1st year in the league he throws for 4k yards and 33 tds? Mcnabb is a train wreck physically, but Cpepp is done and washed up. People are forgetting the monster seasons this guy has put up in the past.I guess what you mean by not fit in Martz offense, is he's actually accomplished in the NFL, Martz prefers grocery clerks.

Martz' offense is based on accuracy, reading coverages, and quick decisions. Culpepper is not good at reading defenses and is definitely not accurate. He is slow and poor when it comes to making decisions. Stats don't always tell every story. Every player is not always a fit in every system, either offense or defense. One more thing, pro sports is also a "what have you done for me lately" thing. Culpepper has done nothing for a few years. There is no guarantee he will ever be a factor in any offense. But there is no way he would be able to run Martz' offense.

 

[inzanitee]

yeah, Culp is NOT an accurate passer.

 

[jrat169]

i think he would fit in great.... detroit really needs a guy who can bomb it deep(isnt that what pepp does best?)

drew stanton? com on guys your killin me

 

[Traders2001]

Why in the name of all things football would they even do that?Is Stanton suddenly a debacle? Did Kitna choke on some wings and fall into a coma?Where's my :smokescreen: smiley I keep asking for. I need it.

think about it. Culpepper sits in 07 and get healthy. The Lions do not have to use their top 5 pick in 08 on a QB. Culpepper is the start in 08 and throwing the ball to CJ and Williams will be a FF stud once more

Culpepper days as a starting QB are finished , he lost his mobility it was 90% of his game ( The guy cant read defenses , when he cant move he is a terrible QB ) now he cant move anymore .

 

[lions327]

i think he would fit in great.... detroit really needs a guy who can bomb it deep(isnt that what pepp does best?)drew stanton? com on guys your killin me

You need to do some research on Stanton...especially with Martz teaching him...before you jump to the conclusion that he isn't any good. Stanton will be a very good NFL QB. If I were the Lions, I would not trade him even up for Culpepper. Not only is he a terrible fit in Martz' offense, I think his days as a solid starting QB are over.

 

[fsufan]

Why in the name of all things football would they even do that?Is Stanton suddenly a debacle? Did Kitna choke on some wings and fall into a coma?Where's my :smokescreen: smiley I keep asking for. I need it.

think about it. Culpepper sits in 07 and get healthy. The Lions do not have to use their top 5 pick in 08 on a QB. Culpepper is the start in 08 and throwing the ball to CJ and Williams will be a FF stud once more

Culpepper days as a starting QB are finished , he lost his mobility it was 90% of his game ( The guy cant read defenses , when he cant move he is a terrible QB ) now he cant move anymore .

i agree. i watched most of his games in Minny and the guy survived by his legs and great talent around him. With out those I think he is a backup for the rest of his career

 

[Phlash]

Martz' offense is based on accuracy, reading coverages, and quick decisions. Culpepper is not good at reading defenses and is definitely not accurate. He is slow and poor when it comes to making decisions. Stats don't always tell every story. Every player is not always a fit in every system, either offense or defense. One more thing, pro sports is also a "what have you done for me lately" thing. Culpepper has done nothing for a few years. There is no guarantee he will ever be a factor in any offense. But there is no way he would be able to run Martz' offense.

yeah, Culp is NOT an accurate passer.

WHAT?!Culp is absurdly accurate! You don't have *poor accuracy* and one of the best completion percentages for your career in the NFL. He can absolutely hit guys in stride and has great downfield and short range accuracy. I don't know how he got the misnomer of not being accurate.

 

[lions327]

Martz' offense is based on accuracy, reading coverages, and quick decisions. Culpepper is not good at reading defenses and is definitely not accurate. He is slow and poor when it comes to making decisions. Stats don't always tell every story. Every player is not always a fit in every system, either offense or defense.

One more thing, pro sports is also a "what have you done for me lately" thing. Culpepper has done nothing for a few years. There is no guarantee he will ever be a factor in any offense. But there is no way he would be able to run Martz' offense.

yeah, Culp is NOT an accurate passer.

WHAT?!Culp is absurdly accurate! You don't have *poor accuracy* and one of the best completion percentages for your career in the NFL. He can absolutely hit guys in stride and has great downfield and short range accuracy. I don't know how he got the misnomer of not being accurate.

Maybe you should go back and watch some of his games.

 

[fsufan]

Martz' offense is based on accuracy, reading coverages, and quick decisions. Culpepper is not good at reading defenses and is definitely not accurate. He is slow and poor when it comes to making decisions. Stats don't always tell every story. Every player is not always a fit in every system, either offense or defense.

One more thing, pro sports is also a "what have you done for me lately" thing. Culpepper has done nothing for a few years. There is no guarantee he will ever be a factor in any offense. But there is no way he would be able to run Martz' offense.

yeah, Culp is NOT an accurate passer.

WHAT?!Culp is absurdly accurate! You don't have *poor accuracy* and one of the best completion percentages for your career in the NFL. He can absolutely hit guys in stride and has great downfield and short range accuracy. I don't know how he got the misnomer of not being accurate.

Maybe you should go back and watch some of his games.

culpepper's career stats

he has completed 64% for his career

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/CulpDa00.htm

+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

| Passing | Rushing |

+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |

+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

| 1999 min | 1 | 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 | 3 6 0 |

| 2000 min | 16 | 297 474 62.7 3937 8.3 33 16 | 90 470 7 |

| 2001 min | 11 | 235 366 64.2 2612 7.1 14 13 | 71 416 5 |

| 2002 min | 16 | 334 551 60.6 3859 7.0 18 23 | 105 603 10 |

| 2003 min | 14 | 295 454 65.0 3479 7.7 25 11 | 72 422 4 |

| 2004 min | 16 | 379 548 69.2 4717 8.6 39 11 | 89 406 2 |

| 2005 min | 7 | 139 216 64.4 1564 7.2 6 12 | 23 148 1 |

| 2006 mia | 4 | 81 134 60.4 929 6.9 2 3 | 10 20 1 |

+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

| TOTAL | 85 | 1760 2743 64.2 21097 7.7 137 89 | 463 2491 30 |

 

[HoezNTrix]

Okay, I agree Culpepper is not accurate at all. That season where he completed 70 percent of his passes was all luck when he would just lob it up to Moss every play and Moss would make a spectacular catch for it. But wait, wasnt Moss hurt that year?

 

[SSOG]

Okay, I agree Culpepper is not accurate at all. That season where he completed 70 percent of his passes was all luck when he would just lob it up to Moss every play and Moss would make a spectacular catch for it. But wait, wasnt Moss hurt that year?

A-freaking-men.Knock his decision-making skills all you want, but his accuracy was superb.

 

[moleculo]

I honestly think that Det would be the best place for Cpep and Cpep would be an excellent addition to Det. This makes alot of sense to me, and here's why:

* Kitna - I'm not sold that he can ever be a pro-bowl caliber QB. Granted, he had a nice year last year, but I don't think he has what it takes to lead a mediocre at best team to the next level. In 10 NFL seasons, he has led one team to playoffs. Culpepper has led 2 teams in 8 years to the playoffs (better, but not by a whole lot), and he has been a 3x pro-bowler.

* experience in the NFC North - he is familiar with the style of play and the opponents. NFC North and playing with Det represents at least 9 games in a Dome. I don't know if that makes a difference or not.

* Excellent WR's in Roy and Calvin - reminiscent of Moss and Carter? Maybe. With a Martz offense, it should be obvious that any QB will put up good fantasy #'s, and CPep would be an idiot not to see that.

Honestly - if you were given the choice between Kitna and Culpepper any time between 1999 and 2006, it would be Culpepper in a landslide. Has that much changed between then and now? I believe that Culpepper would be the only choice to bring the Lions to .500 and beyond. Heck, at the very least it would make for a decent camp battle.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

i think he would fit in great.... detroit really needs a guy who can bomb it deep(isnt that what pepp does best?)drew stanton? com on guys your killin me

You need to do some research on Stanton...especially with Martz teaching him...before you jump to the conclusion that he isn't any good. Stanton will be a very good NFL QB. If I were the Lions, I would not trade him even up for Culpepper. Not only is he a terrible fit in Martz' offense, I think his days as a solid starting QB are over.

Stanton's biggest problem is that he just had some complete melt downs mentally. If he can prevent those in Detroit, then his physical talent should allow him to be a good QB. He has a ways to go before being very good though.

 

[lions327]

i think he would fit in great.... detroit really needs a guy who can bomb it deep(isnt that what pepp does best?)drew stanton? com on guys your killin me

You need to do some research on Stanton...especially with Martz teaching him...before you jump to the conclusion that he isn't any good. Stanton will be a very good NFL QB. If I were the Lions, I would not trade him even up for Culpepper. Not only is he a terrible fit in Martz' offense, I think his days as a solid starting QB are over.

Stanton's biggest problem is that he just had some complete melt downs mentally. If he can prevent those in Detroit, then his physical talent should allow him to be a good QB. He has a ways to go before being very good though.

I believe Stantons shortcomings and bad mistakes at key times were more a result of his poor mechanics and fundamentals than anything. If you break down fundamentally, it will show the most when you really need to make a play and are putting pressure on yourself. With bad fundamentals, the more you press, the worse it gets...and it is dramatically magnified.

 

[Gopher State]

Rather then spend Money on a QB who is heading the wrong side of 30, questionable knee, questionable attitude, I think the lions could better spend their money on the D side of the ball.

 

[SSOG]

Rather then spend Money on a QB who is heading the wrong side of 30, questionable knee, questionable attitude, I think the lions could better spend their money on the D side of the ball.

The wrong side of 30? That's a concern for RBs, but QBs? Culpepper is 6 months older than Tom Brady, 3 months older than Marc Bulger, 2 months younger than Donovan McNabb, 6 months younger than Chad Pennington, 9 months younger than Peyton Manning, a year and a half younger than Matt Hasselbeck, and a full two years younger than Jake Delhomme. Just something to consider before writing Culpepper off as "over the hill".

 

[lions327]

Rather then spend Money on a QB who is heading the wrong side of 30, questionable knee, questionable attitude, I think the lions could better spend their money on the D side of the ball.

The wrong side of 30? That's a concern for RBs, but QBs? Culpepper is 6 months older than Tom Brady, 3 months older than Marc Bulger, 2 months younger than Donovan McNabb, 6 months younger than Chad Pennington, 9 months younger than Peyton Manning, a year and a half younger than Matt Hasselbeck, and a full two years younger than Jake Delhomme. Just something to consider before writing Culpepper off as "over the hill".

I don't know that he is necessarily over the hill, but a QB who relied on his running ability and has had major knee injuries is certainly not a lock to return to his old form. There are a lot of questions about Culpepper. I don't think his age is an issue as much as his health. As far as the Lions, he isn't coming here. QB is the least of the Lions concerns.

 

[Beetlejuice]

Stop all of this Culpepper to the Lions speculation....it's not going to happen. "If" the Lions had any interest in Culpepper why would they have spent a 2nd round pick on Stanton? It's not as though it is "news" that Culpepper is going to become available, it was widely assumed Miami would eventually trade for Trent Green well before the draft this year. If Detroit was planning on making a Culpepper run why would they have drafted Stanton and spent a 2nd round choice on him in the process? Kitna is going to be the QB heading into the regular season. Culpepper is not going to be physically ready to challenge Kitna for the starting role. He's also not going to spend the year as a backup to Kitna and impede the progress of Stanton in years following.

He's not going to Detroit, he's not going to Atlanta to backup Michael Vick nor is he going to Indy to backup Manning. None of those destinations offer him what he wants- a chance to play. He's said all along that he believes he is a starting NFL QB, he's not going to go anywhere where he doesn't have a chance to compete for a starting spot for not only this year but beyond. Realisitically....the uncertainty at QB in Jax and the possibility of replacing McNair in Baltimore at some point (as Boller will be gone after this year and was never the answer) are the two most logical places being frequently suggested on this board for Culpepper. Personally, I think GB (if he wants a chance to heal behind Favre) and Chicago (when healthy he can push/compete with Grossman) are even better destinations for him.

 

[Obie Wan]

Stop all of this Culpepper to the Lions speculation....it's not going to happen. "If" the Lions had any interest in Culpepper why would they have spent a 2nd round pick on Stanton? It's not as though it is "news" that Culpepper is going to become available, it was widely assumed Miami would eventually trade for Trent Green well before the draft this year. If Detroit was planning on making a Culpepper run why would they have drafted Stanton and spent a 2nd round choice on him in the process? Kitna is going to be the QB heading into the regular season. Culpepper is not going to be physically ready to challenge Kitna for the starting role. He's also not going to spend the year as a backup to Kitna and impede the progress of Stanton in years following. He's not going to Detroit, he's not going to Atlanta to backup Michael Vick nor is he going to Indy to backup Manning. None of those destinations offer him what he wants- a chance to play. He's said all along that he believes he is a starting NFL QB, he's not going to go anywhere where he doesn't have a chance to compete for a starting spot for not only this year but beyond. Realisitically....the uncertainty at QB in Jax and the possibility of replacing McNair in Baltimore at some point (as Boller will be gone after this year and was never the answer) are the two most logical places being frequently suggested on this board for Culpepper. Personally, I think GB (if he wants a chance to heal behind Favre) and Chicago (when healthy he can push/compete with Grossman) are even better destinations for him.

Atlanta is the best spot for playing time in 2007, especially since Culpepper fits witht the playground system Vick likes so much.Vick won't be starting there for very long until he is arrested, supsended or both.They have no back up.Howver, can;t see Petrino continuing to run a playground in Atlanta. He wants to run a sophisticated offense and C-Pep is not the guy for that long term.

 

[burd]

CPepp's most probable scenario revolves him signing with a team that isn't 100% sure on their existing QB in 2007 and might consider signing him as an option for 2008. This scenario makes him available for a lot of teams, but some teams won't make a play for him because it can create a lot of team critisism.

Teams that may have a different opinion of their current QB after this season include: Jax, NY Giants, Raiders, Baltimore, Chicago, Green Bay, possibly Atlanta or Philly.

My shot-in-the-dark prediction is for CPepp going to Baltimore ... no reason in particular, just a hunch.

 

[hutchins929]

Stop all of this Culpepper to the Lions speculation....it's not going to happen. "If" the Lions had any interest in Culpepper why would they have spent a 2nd round pick on Stanton? It's not as though it is "news" that Culpepper is going to become available, it was widely assumed Miami would eventually trade for Trent Green well before the draft this year. If Detroit was planning on making a Culpepper run why would they have drafted Stanton and spent a 2nd round choice on him in the process? Kitna is going to be the QB heading into the regular season. Culpepper is not going to be physically ready to challenge Kitna for the starting role. He's also not going to spend the year as a backup to Kitna and impede the progress of Stanton in years following.

I agree that the Lions probably wont bring in C-Pepp. However, for you to say that the Lions wouldn't bring him in because they knew that Pepp would be available is just crazy. For a team not to go after a QB in the draft, that they like, because they believe a team will release a guy, that might sign with them, is nucking futs! What if they were wrong and he doesn't get released? What if he is released but then doesn't want to sign with you? Teams have to have a back up plan, right? I do think that he won't be in Detroit, but I think that your logic behind the idea is what's wrong.

 

[pinequick]

Okay, I agree Culpepper is not accurate at all. That season where he completed 70 percent of his passes was all luck when he would just lob it up to Moss every play and Moss would make a spectacular catch for it. But wait, wasnt Moss hurt that year?

A-freaking-men.Knock his decision-making skills all you want, but his accuracy was superb.

I think he held the NCAA record for a while for completion percentage for a career. You know, playing with all those studs down there at UCF.

 

[pinequick]

BTW, why are we even talking about this? The coach has said it isn't going to happen, and the only link in this thread is to some Lions message board.

I may start my own thread:

"Aikman to fill void--signs with Cowboys" and just let that thread take off with wild, baseless speculation, too.

 

[Beetlejuice]

Stop all of this Culpepper to the Lions speculation....it's not going to happen. "If" the Lions had any interest in Culpepper why would they have spent a 2nd round pick on Stanton? It's not as though it is "news" that Culpepper is going to become available, it was widely assumed Miami would eventually trade for Trent Green well before the draft this year. If Detroit was planning on making a Culpepper run why would they have drafted Stanton and spent a 2nd round choice on him in the process? Kitna is going to be the QB heading into the regular season. Culpepper is not going to be physically ready to challenge Kitna for the starting role. He's also not going to spend the year as a backup to Kitna and impede the progress of Stanton in years following.

I agree that the Lions probably wont bring in C-Pepp. However, for you to say that the Lions wouldn't bring him in because they knew that Pepp would be available is just crazy. For a team not to go after a QB in the draft, that they like, because they believe a team will release a guy, that might sign with them, is nucking futs! What if they were wrong and he doesn't get released? What if he is released but then doesn't want to sign with you? Teams have to have a back up plan, right? I do think that he won't be in Detroit, but I think that your logic behind the idea is what's wrong.

No, my logic is not wrong. It's very simple. If Detroit had any intention of making a run at Culpepper (be it by trade or free agency), then they would not have drafted Stanton with a second round choice particularly when they are seemingly satisfied with their incumbent John Kitna for at least 2007. Why do they need a backup plan when they already have Kitna? Your statement is what does not make sense. What backup plan? They have Kitna, they took Stanton, and Culpepper will not come to Detroit and play caddy for a year when it is clearly not the best situation for him to become a starter once again. Apparently for some reason you did not believe it was very apparent that Miami had no intention of holding onto Culpepper this season. Believe it or not, this was pretty common knowledge well before the draft. Here let me help you a little further....they drafted John Beck in the second round BEFORE Detroit took Stanton. They have been coveting Trent Green for several months. Culpepper has a contract with a 5.5 million dollar base salary for 2007. Culpepper was not coming back. He was going to be available to Detroit or any other team. At any point they could have traded for him, Miami did not want him and had no intention of keeping him. With that being said, they knew he would be released as his contract is nearly untradeable considering his physical situation. They drafted Stanton with the intention of playing him most likely next season if not 2009. They would not have drafted a young QB with a second round pick if they did not intend to let him compete for a starting position. Culpepper is not going to put himself in this environment as he believes he is a starting NFL QB. This logic is pretty basic and isn't that hard to follow along.....

 

[hutchins929]

No, my logic is not wrong. It's very simple. If Detroit had any intention of making a run at Culpepper (be it by trade or free agency), then they would not have drafted Stanton with a second round choice particularly when they are seemingly satisfied with their incumbent John Kitna for at least 2007. Why do they need a backup plan when they already have Kitna? Your statement is what does not make sense. What backup plan? They have Kitna, they took Stanton, and Culpepper will not come to Detroit and play caddy for a year when it is clearly not the best situation for him to become a starter once again. Apparently for some reason you did not believe it was very apparent that Miami had no intention of holding onto Culpepper this season. Believe it or not, this was pretty common knowledge well before the draft. Here let me help you a little further....they drafted John Beck in the second round BEFORE Detroit took Stanton. They have been coveting Trent Green for several months. Culpepper has a contract with a 5.5 million dollar base salary for 2007. Culpepper was not coming back. He was going to be available to Detroit or any other team. At any point they could have traded for him, Miami did not want him and had no intention of keeping him. With that being said, they knew he would be released as his contract is nearly untradeable considering his physical situation. They drafted Stanton with the intention of playing him most likely next season if not 2009. They would not have drafted a young QB with a second round pick if they did not intend to let him compete for a starting position. Culpepper is not going to put himself in this environment as he believes he is a starting NFL QB. This logic is pretty basic and isn't that hard to follow along.....

If any team put all of their eggs in one basket, then they're morons! I don't care what the situation is, if you are relying on another team (your compitition) to do something in order for you to get the guy you want... then your not doing your job. What if Detroit really wanted C-Pepp and in that the followed your advice. They dont draft a QB. they then hope that the guy gets released. then if he does get released then you try to get him on board, but he's not interested. Now if Kitna goes down your screwed! It just makes more sense to cover all the bases.

 

[Beetlejuice]

No, my logic is not wrong. It's very simple. If Detroit had any intention of making a run at Culpepper (be it by trade or free agency), then they would not have drafted Stanton with a second round choice particularly when they are seemingly satisfied with their incumbent John Kitna for at least 2007. Why do they need a backup plan when they already have Kitna? Your statement is what does not make sense. What backup plan? They have Kitna, they took Stanton, and Culpepper will not come to Detroit and play caddy for a year when it is clearly not the best situation for him to become a starter once again. Apparently for some reason you did not believe it was very apparent that Miami had no intention of holding onto Culpepper this season. Believe it or not, this was pretty common knowledge well before the draft. Here let me help you a little further....they drafted John Beck in the second round BEFORE Detroit took Stanton. They have been coveting Trent Green for several months. Culpepper has a contract with a 5.5 million dollar base salary for 2007. Culpepper was not coming back. He was going to be available to Detroit or any other team. At any point they could have traded for him, Miami did not want him and had no intention of keeping him. With that being said, they knew he would be released as his contract is nearly untradeable considering his physical situation. They drafted Stanton with the intention of playing him most likely next season if not 2009. They would not have drafted a young QB with a second round pick if they did not intend to let him compete for a starting position. Culpepper is not going to put himself in this environment as he believes he is a starting NFL QB. This logic is pretty basic and isn't that hard to follow along.....

If any team put all of their eggs in one basket, then they're morons! I don't care what the situation is, if you are relying on another team (your compitition) to do something in order for you to get the guy you want... then your not doing your job. What if Detroit really wanted C-Pepp and in that the followed your advice. They dont draft a QB. they then hope that the guy gets released. then if he does get released then you try to get him on board, but he's not interested. Now if Kitna goes down your screwed! It just makes more sense to cover all the bases.

You are trying to keep alive a rumor that apparently has no legs. Detroit has no interest in Culpepper, nor does Cleveland, Oakland, Philadelphia, or obviously Miami- all the teams that drafted QB's in the first two rounds. Though each situation is very different and some would have been much more likely CPepp destinations than others, every one of those teams had the "option" to keep the door open for Culpepper by trade (which he may have blocked) or free agency when he ultimately became available- as again, it was well known Miami had no interest in keeping him.. They all went with the expense of drafting a young QB in the second round or higher, that is the option that they chose rather than rolling the dice on landing him as a free agent- if any of them actually had an interest in the first place. If Detroit did not have an experienced QB going into the second year of their system who played o.k. last year (beyond a high INT total) then your argument of "keeping options open" would definitely have merit. If they could get the 2004 version of CPepp they would be in hard for him even if they had drafted Stanton. But apparently Detroit is content with Kitna and like what they drafted in Stanton- those are not my words but what has been said out of Detroit this offseason. Their words at this point are following their actions from the draft. Once he is cut, which is inevitable, then you will have your chance to come back and say "I told you so" to all of us if Detroit shows an interest, and I'll gladly eat crow if that happens. At this point you are arguing just to argue.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I think the OP has confused what a sports talk radio host has said the Lions should do, rather than what the Lions will do, If Daunte is cut.

 

[moleculo]

No, my logic is not wrong. It's very simple. If Detroit had any intention of making a run at Culpepper (be it by trade or free agency), then they would not have drafted Stanton with a second round choice particularly when they are seemingly satisfied with their incumbent John Kitna for at least 2007. Why do they need a backup plan when they already have Kitna? Your statement is what does not make sense. What backup plan? They have Kitna, they took Stanton, and Culpepper will not come to Detroit and play caddy for a year when it is clearly not the best situation for him to become a starter once again. Apparently for some reason you did not believe it was very apparent that Miami had no intention of holding onto Culpepper this season. Believe it or not, this was pretty common knowledge well before the draft. Here let me help you a little further....they drafted John Beck in the second round BEFORE Detroit took Stanton. They have been coveting Trent Green for several months. Culpepper has a contract with a 5.5 million dollar base salary for 2007. Culpepper was not coming back. He was going to be available to Detroit or any other team. At any point they could have traded for him, Miami did not want him and had no intention of keeping him. With that being said, they knew he would be released as his contract is nearly untradeable considering his physical situation. They drafted Stanton with the intention of playing him most likely next season if not 2009. They would not have drafted a young QB with a second round pick if they did not intend to let him compete for a starting position. Culpepper is not going to put himself in this environment as he believes he is a starting NFL QB. This logic is pretty basic and isn't that hard to follow along.....

If any team put all of their eggs in one basket, then they're morons! I don't care what the situation is, if you are relying on another team (your compitition) to do something in order for you to get the guy you want... then your not doing your job. What if Detroit really wanted C-Pepp and in that the followed your advice. They dont draft a QB. they then hope that the guy gets released. then if he does get released then you try to get him on board, but he's not interested. Now if Kitna goes down your screwed! It just makes more sense to cover all the bases.

You are trying to keep alive a rumor that apparently has no legs. Detroit has no interest in Culpepper, nor does Cleveland, Oakland, Philadelphia, or obviously Miami- all the teams that drafted QB's in the first two rounds. Though each situation is very different and some would have been much more likely CPepp destinations than others, every one of those teams had the "option" to keep the door open for Culpepper by trade (which he may have blocked) or free agency when he ultimately became available- as again, it was well known Miami had no interest in keeping him.. They all went with the expense of drafting a young QB in the second round or higher, that is the option that they chose rather than rolling the dice on landing him as a free agent- if any of them actually had an interest in the first place. If Detroit did not have an experienced QB going into the second year of their system who played o.k. last year (beyond a high INT total) then your argument of "keeping options open" would definitely have merit. If they could get the 2004 version of CPepp they would be in hard for him even if they had drafted Stanton. But apparently Detroit is content with Kitna and like what they drafted in Stanton- those are not my words but what has been said out of Detroit this offseason. Their words at this point are following their actions from the draft. Once he is cut, which is inevitable, then you will have your chance to come back and say "I told you so" to all of us if Detroit shows an interest, and I'll gladly eat crow if that happens. At this point you are arguing just to argue.

I think you are giving a little too much credit to Millen and co. you are assuming that the Lions have a strategic plan WRT personnel decisions. I'm not convinced they are not operating on an ad-hoc basis, making short-sighted decisions based on best option available at that time.

 

[Heinz 57]

Detroit is a club that I could see Culpepper playing for.

Unlike the Colts which some knucklehead suggested earlier.

 

[hutchins929]

You are trying to keep alive a rumor that apparently has no legs. Detroit has no interest in Culpepper, nor does Cleveland, Oakland, Philadelphia, or obviously Miami- all the teams that drafted QB's in the first two rounds. Though each situation is very different and some would have been much more likely CPepp destinations than others, every one of those teams had the "option" to keep the door open for Culpepper by trade (which he may have blocked) or free agency when he ultimately became available- as again, it was well known Miami had no interest in keeping him.. They all went with the expense of drafting a young QB in the second round or higher, that is the option that they chose rather than rolling the dice on landing him as a free agent- if any of them actually had an interest in the first place.

If Detroit did not have an experienced QB going into the second year of their system who played o.k. last year (beyond a high INT total) then your argument of "keeping options open" would definitely have merit. If they could get the 2004 version of CPepp they would be in hard for him even if they had drafted Stanton. But apparently Detroit is content with Kitna and like what they drafted in Stanton- those are not my words but what has been said out of Detroit this offseason. Their words at this point are following their actions from the draft. Once he is cut, which is inevitable, then you will have your chance to come back and say "I told you so" to all of us if Detroit shows an interest, and I'll gladly eat crow if that happens. At this point you are arguing just to argue.

You are trying to keep alive a rumor that apparently has no legs.

Not once did I say that Culpepper would be a Lion. Not once... I just said that for you to say that it isn't going to happen because they have already addressed that through the draft is an ignorant thing to assume. If an organization thinks that a guy can come in and make your team better than they would be stupid not to try to bring him in. Once again I am not saying they believe that Culpepper will make Detroit better than with Kitna or even Stanton under center.I am not trying to keep alive any rumor. I am just disagreeing with you. No team (not just Detroit) would pin their hopes on a QB that isn't currently free to sign. They would need to have other plans, so if he doesn't become available, you've covered your ###. I said earlier that I didn't see Culpepper in Detroit in this upcoming season. So I don't know where you got that from. I just think that you saying that a team would risk not having a back up or a future starter because they want one guy, is an idiotic thing to say. Even Matt Millen isn't that stupid. Like I said before their are too many ???.

like I said earlier...

If any team put all of their eggs in one basket, then they're morons! I don't care what the situation is, if you are relying on another team (your competition) to do something in order for you to get the guy you want... then your not doing your job. What if Detroit really wanted C-Pepp and in that the followed your advice. They don't draft a QB. they then hope that the guy gets released. then if he does get released then you try to get him on board, but he's not interested. Now if Kitna goes down your screwed! It just makes more sense to cover all the bases.

that is the option that they chose rather than rolling the dice on landing him as a free agent

This is my point... It is a big gamble to shoot for a guy and miss when you haven't covered your ###. If you pick up a guy through the draft or free agency then you go after a guy that you think will make your ball team better, and you don't land him it isn't a big deal. If you do get him you can always choose to cut or trade one of the other QB's. I am not saying that this is what Detroit is doing, I am just saying that it is a possibility. I do think though that Culpepper will be in Baltimore, maybe Chicago or Green Bay.

 

[lions327]

Marinelli loves Kitna's leadership and so does Martz. He isn't going anywhere. They also like Stanton and he is clearly the Lions QB of the future. Even if there was a need for a QB, Culpepper wouldn't be coming here. He is a terrible fit in Martz' offense. He can't read defenses and can't make quick decisions.

Culpepper is not coming here.

Get over it.

 

[Beetlejuice]

You are trying to keep alive a rumor that apparently has no legs. Detroit has no interest in Culpepper, nor does Cleveland, Oakland, Philadelphia, or obviously Miami- all the teams that drafted QB's in the first two rounds. Though each situation is very different and some would have been much more likely CPepp destinations than others, every one of those teams had the "option" to keep the door open for Culpepper by trade (which he may have blocked) or free agency when he ultimately became available- as again, it was well known Miami had no interest in keeping him.. They all went with the expense of drafting a young QB in the second round or higher, that is the option that they chose rather than rolling the dice on landing him as a free agent- if any of them actually had an interest in the first place.

If Detroit did not have an experienced QB going into the second year of their system who played o.k. last year (beyond a high INT total) then your argument of "keeping options open" would definitely have merit. If they could get the 2004 version of CPepp they would be in hard for him even if they had drafted Stanton. But apparently Detroit is content with Kitna and like what they drafted in Stanton- those are not my words but what has been said out of Detroit this offseason. Their words at this point are following their actions from the draft. Once he is cut, which is inevitable, then you will have your chance to come back and say "I told you so" to all of us if Detroit shows an interest, and I'll gladly eat crow if that happens. At this point you are arguing just to argue.

You are trying to keep alive a rumor that apparently has no legs.

Not once did I say that Culpepper would be a Lion. Not once... I just said that for you to say that it isn't going to happen because they have already addressed that through the draft is an ignorant thing to assume. If an organization thinks that a guy can come in and make your team better than they would be stupid not to try to bring him in. Once again I am not saying they believe that Culpepper will make Detroit better than with Kitna or even Stanton under center.I am not trying to keep alive any rumor. I am just disagreeing with you. No team (not just Detroit) would pin their hopes on a QB that isn't currently free to sign. They would need to have other plans, so if he doesn't become available, you've covered your ###. I said earlier that I didn't see Culpepper in Detroit in this upcoming season. So I don't know where you got that from. I just think that you saying that a team would risk not having a back up or a future starter because they want one guy, is an idiotic thing to say. Even Matt Millen isn't that stupid. Like I said before their are too many ???.

like I said earlier...

If any team put all of their eggs in one basket, then they're morons! I don't care what the situation is, if you are relying on another team (your competition) to do something in order for you to get the guy you want... then your not doing your job. What if Detroit really wanted C-Pepp and in that the followed your advice. They don't draft a QB. they then hope that the guy gets released. then if he does get released then you try to get him on board, but he's not interested. Now if Kitna goes down your screwed! It just makes more sense to cover all the bases.

that is the option that they chose rather than rolling the dice on landing him as a free agent

This is my point... It is a big gamble to shoot for a guy and miss when you haven't covered your ###. If you pick up a guy through the draft or free agency then you go after a guy that you think will make your ball team better, and you don't land him it isn't a big deal. If you do get him you can always choose to cut or trade one of the other QB's. I am not saying that this is what Detroit is doing, I am just saying that it is a possibility. I do think though that Culpepper will be in Baltimore, maybe Chicago or Green Bay.

O.k., I'll stop being ignorant in your eyes and instead simply give in to your logic and paint a broad stroke across the entire league as you have chosen to do (rather than keep it specifically in Detroit as I have done all along and as this thread was intended) as I officially make the following statement that should cover nearly everything...."When Culpepper is ultimately released he will be equally available to all other teams and will be free to sign with whoever no matter what they may have publicly said, their current cap situation, their view on his current health and long term prognosis, no matter their current offensive scheme, no matter how strong their current QB situation appears to be, no matter what offseason moves they have executed to this point, and no matter how firm their commitment to the QB's that are already on their roster appears to be as well. I'm not saying where he's going to go....I'm just saying don't rule anyone out as there's a chance he could go anywhere. Oh, and there's a chance he could bring along Elvis with him as well and that would really help attendance."

You win.

 

[hutchins929]

"When Culpepper is ultimately released he will be equally available to all other teams and will be free to sign with whoever no matter what they may have publicly said, their current cap situation, their view on his current health and long term prognosis, no matter their current offensive scheme, no matter how strong their current QB situation appears to be, no matter what offseason moves they have executed to this point, and no matter how firm their commitment to the QB's that are already on their roster appears to be as well. I'm not saying where he's going to go....I'm just saying don't rule anyone out as there's a chance he could go anywhere. Oh, and there's a chance he could bring along Elvis with him as well and that would really help attendance."

I dont think he's a free agent