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Culpepper's value (1 Viewer)

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All the discussion of Culpeeper and the trade and how much he cost got me thinking.

What would fair compensation be for a high quality QB in a trade in terms of draft picks. We seldom actually see a guy who is healthy, happy and at a peak in his career traded -- without any practical considertaions (salary cap and the like) what would say the Patriots be able to get for Brady? Or the Colts for Manning? Whoever -- pick your favorite QB at the top of his game, injury free and with at least 5-6 great years ahead of him -- what do you think it would take in a trade to make it fair (and only draft picks -- no players involved)?

My initial thought is a team would have to get at least 3 first rounders for a guy like this.

I couldn't think of, off the top of my head, any trades like this that have taken place recently? It is relatively common for teams to trade to get the rookie QB they like but nobody seems to be willing to part with their franchise QB so vets are never traded.

 
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All the discussion of Culpeeper and the trade and how much he cost got me thinking.

What would fair compensation be for a high quality QB in a trade in terms of draft picks. We seldom actually see a guy who is healthy, happy and at a peak in his career traded -- without any practical considertaions (salary cap and the like) what would say the Patriots be able to get for Brady? Or the Colts for Manning? Whoever -- pick your favorite QB at the top of his game, injury free and with at least 5-6 great years ahead of him -- what do you think it would take in a trade to make it fair (and only draft picks -- no players involved)?

My initial thought is a team would have to get at least 3 first rounders for a guy like this.

I couldn't think of, off the top of my head, any trades like this that have taken place recently? It is relatively common for teams to trade to get the rookie QB they like but nobody seems to be willing to part with their franchise QB so vets are never traded.
I think they got just about nothing for him and caved in. I'd have brought him back to test his limitations and I think he would have been happy because they were winning. With the free agent signings and a healthy defense I think this team is one of the three best in the NFC with Culpepper. Without him I think they drop into that second group of teams which begins with the Giants and ends now somewhere near the Cardinals. I think they made a mistake and at the very least should have got more for him.
 
There is no doubt Culpepper was acquired by the Dolphins at a discount. I guess I wonder what fair compensation for him would be. Didn't Seattle give up a 1st Round pick for Matt Hasselbeck -- before he had ever started a regular season game? And Favre was acquired for a first round pick after a train wreck of a rookie year spent winning bets for Jerry Glanville prior to games and having a degenerative hip condition.

But I guess, as I asked, I'm wondering how much of discount? What would Daunte have been worth if he had been traded last offseason? might be another way to look at it.

 
Marshall Faulk was traded for a 2nd and a 5th in the prime of his career. NFL Gms value picks tremendously and don't give them up easily... I don't believe they would give up 3 first rounders for any player. :blackdot:

 
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Even rookie QBs cost no more than a first this year and a high pick next. Look at the deals the last couple of years for Vick, Manning, Rivers, etc..And thats for guys who haven't thrown in the league yet. I would say that that is your starting point. Three #1s is probably your ceiling. Thats way too much unless a team had two in one year from previous deals..

 
Marshall Faulk was traded for a 2nd and a 5th in the prime of his career. NFL Gms value picks tremendously and don't give them up easily... I don't believe they would give up 3 first rounders for any player. :blackdot:
True -- it is hard too imagine this trade actually occurring. But again, I'm not saying it could or should, I'm more looking at it from the other side of the equation. NFL GMs value franchise quarterbacks tremendously and I am interested in thinking about what kind of value one would have to get in return to trade a guy like Culpepper under "normal" circumstances. And Faulk is a good comparison but not a great one. He's a Running Back, and of course he was a special talent (as John Madden might say) but even great Running Backs are not the equivilant of great QBs. As folks are pointing out in the Culpepper to Dolphins thread -- AJ Feeley was acquired for a 2nd round pick, right. So Faulk's 2nd and 5th doesn't really give us a good idea of how much QBs are valued.

 
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Even rookie QBs cost no more than a first this year and a high pick next. Look at the deals the last couple of years for Vick, Manning, Rivers, etc..And thats for guys who haven't thrown in the league yet. I would say that that is your starting point. Three #1s is probably your ceiling. Thats way too much unless a team had two in one year from previous deals..
I guess I'd say that slightly differently -- even rookie QBs cost at least a first this year and a high pick next. And of course we all know that rookie QBs can fail. I think the question is what is a known quanity top 10 NFL QB really worth? Are we now at 2 #1s and would anyone in their right mind give up say, Tom Brady, for 2 ones? Maybe that is "fair" but it certainly sets a relatively low ceiling, at least in my mind.
 
Personally, I think GMS way overvalue draft picks.... I would rather acquire players that have a proven track record than guys who have never played a down in the league.

I am a 49ers fan.... I think Alex Smith sucks. If I could go back in time, and give up the ALex Smith pick + additional picks, I would easily do it to acquire Peyton Manning.... I think I would give up 3 first rounders... Call me nuts, but 3 guys who may or may not SUCK (who I will have to pay a tonne of money for) for Peyton Manning in the prime of his carreer......

 
Personally, I think GMS way overvalue draft picks.... I would rather acquire players that have a proven track record than guys who have never played a down in the league.

I am a 49ers fan.... I think Alex Smith sucks. If I could go back in time, and give up the ALex Smith pick + additional picks, I would easily do it to acquire Peyton Manning.... I think I would give up 3 first rounders... Call me nuts, but 3 guys who may or may not SUCK (who I will have to pay a tonne of money for) for Peyton Manning in the prime of his carreer......
I agree with this. Of course, once you start thinking about it practically, for the team that would give up the picks, you would have to build talent around the QB without #1 picks and that would be daunting.But again, when you start to think about the implcations of trading away a currently great player, could Peyton Manning be gotten for 3 #1s? How could the Colts feel compensated for giving up a guy like that. It would take guts, I think, even at that level of compensation.

 

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