Curt Shilling calls Barry Bonds a cheater (1 Viewer)

[Da Guru]

Asked if fans should boo Bonds when he gets the record Shilling replied:

"Oh yeah. I would think so. I mean, he admitted that he used steroids," said Schilling. " There's no gray area there.

He has admitted to cheating on his wife,and cheating on his taxes, and cheating on the game of baseball, so I think the reaction around the league, the game, being what it is, in the case of what people think. Hank Aaron not being there. The commissioner [bud Selig] trying to figure out where to be. It's sad."

 

[Power Monster]

I agree! ESPN is promoting this man...

 

[TommyGilmore]

Has he actually admitted to doing all these things? I thought that the only thing he actually admitted to was taking unknown "clear" and "cream" substances?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Except that Bonds hasnt admitted to any of those things.

Bonds is what, 42 now? He has 11 home runs this season. When he gets to 20 I think he will be the oldest player to ever hit 20 or more HRs in a season.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I dislike Bonds as much as any other current athlete, but what does him cheating on his wife have to do with anything?

 

[Da Guru]

I dislike Bonds as much as any other current athlete, but what does him cheating on his wife have to do with anything?

Shilling was basically say that Bonds is a cheater in general.

 

[PatsWillWin]

He admitted to taking cream & clear. The other two are pretty much true, but no, he did not "admit" to it.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I think we should put Curt Shilling and TOny Stewart in a room and see who's head explodes first from listening to the other persons drivel.

 

[Hammered Finz]

Curt Shilling has never met a microphone he didn't like..

 

[posty]

Has he actually admitted to doing all these things? I thought that the only thing he actually admitted to was taking unknown "clear" and "cream" substances?

No... He hasn't admitted to any of it...Why admit to something that you didn't do?

 

[Da Guru]

Curt Shilling has never met a microphone he didn't like..

That is a true!

 

[jonessed]

Unless Bonds breaks the record in SF I imagine he will get boo'd. Schilling's sentiment isn't exactly unique.

 

[Genedoc]

Since the cream and the clear were steroids, admitting to taking them is admitting to taking steroids.

The evidence for Bonds cheating, while not incontrovertible, is beyond any reasonable doubt. Same thing for McGwire and Sosa.

Schilling, while he is a loudmouth himself, was right about Bonds. He's a liar and a cheat, and his professional career is meaningless, just like Sosa and McGwire. His numbers mean nothing to the majority of baseball fans I know.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Tangent question: What happens when Bonds hits 50 HRs this season and wins the MVP?

 

[PatsWillWin]

Has he actually admitted to doing all these things? I thought that the only thing he actually admitted to was taking unknown "clear" and "cream" substances?

No... He hasn't admitted to any of it...Why admit to something that you didn't do?

XHe has admitted taking steroids.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Tangent question: What happens when Bonds hits 50 HRs this season and wins the MVP?

There is a 0% chance that he ever wins an MVP vote.

 

[Da Guru]

Tangent question: What happens when Bonds hits 50 HRs this season and wins the MVP?

It may prove that he did not need to cheat. But then, he would not be breaking the record this year.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Has he actually admitted to doing all these things? I thought that the only thing he actually admitted to was taking unknown "clear" and "cream" substances?

No... He hasn't admitted to any of it...Why admit to something that you didn't do?

He did admit to taking a "cream" and a "clear" substance.But as far as I can tell there has been no confirmation that Bonds' "cream and clear" are the same as the steroid "cream and clear"

 

[posty]

Has he actually admitted to doing all these things? I thought that the only thing he actually admitted to was taking unknown "clear" and "cream" substances?

No... He hasn't admitted to any of it...Why admit to something that you didn't do?

He did admit to taking a "cream" and a "clear" substance.But as far as I can tell there has been no confirmation that Bonds' "cream and clear" are the same as the steroid "cream and clear"

Yes he did say he rubbed that on him, but not that they were steroids...

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

Wouldn't it be fitting if Bonds broke the record off Schilling? Giants do have a June date with the Red Sox so it could happen. I would actually like to see that happen, the look on Schilling's face would be priceless.

 

[Da Guru]

Wouldn't it be fitting if Bonds broke the record off Schilling? Giants do have a June date with the Red Sox so it could happen. I would actually like to see that happen, the look on Schilling's face would be priceless.

What if Shilling beaned him in the head..then said it was for the good of the game??

 

[PatsWillWin]

Wouldn't it be fitting if Bonds broke the record off Schilling? Giants do have a June date with the Red Sox so it could happen. I would actually like to see that happen, the look on Schilling's face would be priceless.

There's no way Bonds breaks the record on the road.

 

[Genedoc]

Wouldn't it be fitting if Bonds broke the record off Schilling? Giants do have a June date with the Red Sox so it could happen. I would actually like to see that happen, the look on Schilling's face would be priceless.

After making that statement, I'd be willing to bet very good money that Bonds doesn't hit a record breaking HR against Schilling. In fact, I'm stunned we haven't seen more pitchers just throw at him already.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Has he actually admitted to doing all these things? I thought that the only thing he actually admitted to was taking unknown "clear" and "cream" substances?

No... He hasn't admitted to any of it...Why admit to something that you didn't do?

He did admit to taking a "cream" and a "clear" substance.But as far as I can tell there has been no confirmation that Bonds' "cream and clear" are the same as the steroid "cream and clear"

Yes he did say he rubbed that on him, but not that they were steroids...

He used the cream and the clear. They are steroids. This is really not complicated.

Bonds told a U.S. grand jury that he used undetectable steroids known as "the cream" and "the clear," which he received from personal trainer Greg Anderson during the 2003 season. According to Bonds, the trainer told him the substances were the nutritional supplement flaxseed oil and a pain-relieving balm for the player's arthritis.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1937594

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

Schilling is an idiot, I am sure he would have embraced Roger just fine if he had come to Boston and you can't tell me Roger wasn't a juicer.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Schilling is an idiot, I am sure he would have embraced Roger just fine if he had come to Boston and you can't tell me Roger wasn't a juicer.

Link?

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

Schilling is an idiot, I am sure he would have embraced Roger just fine if he had come to Boston and you can't tell me Roger wasn't a juicer.

Link?

I don't have links to everyone that juiced in MLB.Pretty sure it wasn't just Palmeiro, Ryan Franklin, Bonds and a few others though.

The problem was widespread which is why Schilling should just shut his mouth, I'm sure he's got guys in his clubhouse that have juiced.

 

[Billy Bats]

Schilling is a loud mouth idiot. But he tells it like it is, so you have to give him credit there, kind of reminds me of Charles Barkley in that sense.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Schilling is an idiot, I am sure he would have embraced Roger just fine if he had come to Boston and you can't tell me Roger wasn't a juicer.

Link?

I don't have links to everyone that juiced in MLB.Pretty sure it wasn't just Palmeiro, Ryan Franklin, Bonds and a few others though.

The problem was widespread which is why Schilling should just shut his mouth, I'm sure he's got guys in his clubhouse that have juiced.

I don't doubt what you're saying here, but there's a big difference between "pretty sure it wasn't just Palmeiro, Franklin, Bonds and a few others" and "you can't tell me that Roger wasn't a juicer."

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

I don't doubt what you're saying here, but there's a big difference between "pretty sure it wasn't just Palmeiro, Franklin, Bonds and a few others" and "you can't tell me that Roger wasn't a juicer."

I don't know why this seems unclear to you.I believe Roger was a juicer.

 

[Da Guru]

Schilling is a loud mouth idiot. But he tells it like it is, so you have to give him credit there, kind of reminds me of Charles Barkley in that sense.

Exactly like Barkley.When asked..they both answer and don`t sidestep.

 

[cobalt_27]

Has he actually admitted to doing all these things? I thought that the only thing he actually admitted to was taking unknown "clear" and "cream" substances?

No... He hasn't admitted to any of it...Why admit to something that you didn't do?

He did admit to taking a "cream" and a "clear" substance.But as far as I can tell there has been no confirmation that Bonds' "cream and clear" are the same as the steroid "cream and clear"

Yes he did say he rubbed that on him, but not that they were steroids...

So, what do you think the cream and clear are? Noxema brand moisturizing lotions?

 

[ELM]

Tangent question: What happens when Bonds hits 50 HRs this season and wins the MVP?

There is a 0% chance that he ever wins an MVP vote.

if bonds' average stays where it is, he hits 50 homers and his OBP stays head and shoulders above everybody else and the giants have a solid record, he will be the MVP.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Tangent question: What happens when Bonds hits 50 HRs this season and wins the MVP?

There is a 0% chance that he ever wins an MVP vote.

if bonds' average stays where it is, he hits 50 homers and his OBP stays head and shoulders above everybody else and the giants have a solid record, he will be the MVP.

There are voters who don't vote for pitchers because they don't believe a player who plays every 5 days can be an MVP. There are voters who don't believe that DH's can be MVP's. There is simply no way that these old baseball salts would give Bonds the MVP - absolutely no way, IMO.

I'm not saying he couldn't be the most valuable player in baseball - I'm saying he will not be voted the Most Valuable Player in baseball.

 

[ThisGuy]

He's taking attention away from "The Sock"

 

[Darth Cheney]

Tangent question: What happens when Bonds hits 50 HRs this season and wins the MVP?

There is a 0% chance that he ever wins an MVP vote.

if bonds' average stays where it is, he hits 50 homers and his OBP stays head and shoulders above everybody else and the giants have a solid record, he will be the MVP.

There are voters who don't vote for pitchers because they don't believe a player who plays every 5 days can be an MVP. There are voters who don't believe that DH's can be MVP's. There is simply no way that these old baseball salts would give Bonds the MVP - absolutely no way, IMO.

I'm not saying he couldn't be the most valuable player in baseball - I'm saying he will not be voted the Most Valuable Player in baseball.

So voters who don't like Bonds and think that his homerun title will be illegitimate would make the MVP illegitimate because they'd focus on a players attitude/persona instead of his contribution on field? That's why I love baseball..........

 

[PatsWillWin]

Tangent question: What happens when Bonds hits 50 HRs this season and wins the MVP?

There is a 0% chance that he ever wins an MVP vote.

if bonds' average stays where it is, he hits 50 homers and his OBP stays head and shoulders above everybody else and the giants have a solid record, he will be the MVP.

There are voters who don't vote for pitchers because they don't believe a player who plays every 5 days can be an MVP. There are voters who don't believe that DH's can be MVP's. There is simply no way that these old baseball salts would give Bonds the MVP - absolutely no way, IMO.

I'm not saying he couldn't be the most valuable player in baseball - I'm saying he will not be voted the Most Valuable Player in baseball.

So voters who don't like Bonds and think that his homerun title will be illegitimate would make the MVP illegitimate because they'd focus on a players attitude/persona instead of his contribution on field? That's why I love baseball..........

If they think he's cheating and his HR's are illegitimate, then it's much more than his "attitude/persona".

 

[Bobcat10]

Schilling is such a fake it's gross.

He pounded Gary Thorne for not getting his facts straight about the "bloody" sock.

Now he blasts Bonds without getting his facts straight like a complete moron.

This guy is such tool. Can't wait till he retires.

 

[cobalt_27]

Tangent question: What happens when Bonds hits 50 HRs this season and wins the MVP?

There is a 0% chance that he ever wins an MVP vote.

if bonds' average stays where it is, he hits 50 homers and his OBP stays head and shoulders above everybody else and the giants have a solid record, he will be the MVP.

There are voters who don't vote for pitchers because they don't believe a player who plays every 5 days can be an MVP. There are voters who don't believe that DH's can be MVP's. There is simply no way that these old baseball salts would give Bonds the MVP - absolutely no way, IMO.

I'm not saying he couldn't be the most valuable player in baseball - I'm saying he will not be voted the Most Valuable Player in baseball.

So voters who don't like Bonds and think that his homerun title will be illegitimate would make the MVP illegitimate because they'd focus on a players attitude/persona instead of his contribution on field? That's why I love baseball..........

No. I think the fact that he's a juicer that would have more to do with an MVP snub than his attitude/persona.

 

[Fullback Fro]

Schilling is an idiot, I am sure he would have embraced Roger just fine if he had come to Boston and you can't tell me Roger wasn't a juicer.

Link?

I don't have links to everyone that juiced in MLB.Pretty sure it wasn't just Palmeiro, Ryan Franklin, Bonds and a few others though.

The problem was widespread which is why Schilling should just shut his mouth, I'm sure he's got guys in his clubhouse that have juiced.

I don't doubt what you're saying here, but there's a big difference between "pretty sure it wasn't just Palmeiro, Franklin, Bonds and a few others" and "you can't tell me that Roger wasn't a juicer."

Roger was named by a fellow player as a juicer. i forgot who it was off the top of m,y head but he has basically all the same characteristics as bonds. His head has grown. He is weay more ripped than when he came into the league and he looks to be in line to break all kinds of pitching records. Why does no one wnat to see this? While I do beleive Barry likely took steroids, It doesn't significantl;y tarnish his accomplishments. No one knows how many juiced up fastballs he yarded.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I think it was Canseco.

 

[Fullback Fro]

I think it was Canseco.

not conseco

 

[Darth Cheney]

Tangent question: What happens when Bonds hits 50 HRs this season and wins the MVP?

There is a 0% chance that he ever wins an MVP vote.

if bonds' average stays where it is, he hits 50 homers and his OBP stays head and shoulders above everybody else and the giants have a solid record, he will be the MVP.

There are voters who don't vote for pitchers because they don't believe a player who plays every 5 days can be an MVP. There are voters who don't believe that DH's can be MVP's. There is simply no way that these old baseball salts would give Bonds the MVP - absolutely no way, IMO.

I'm not saying he couldn't be the most valuable player in baseball - I'm saying he will not be voted the Most Valuable Player in baseball.

So voters who don't like Bonds and think that his homerun title will be illegitimate would make the MVP illegitimate because they'd focus on a players attitude/persona instead of his contribution on field? That's why I love baseball..........

If they think he's cheating and his HR's are illegitimate, then it's much more than his "attitude/persona".

So they think he his still cheating and thus wouldn't give him the MVP this year?? Or are they "punishing"him for their perceived past trangressions? You can't go back and play the games over. Games that were played by steriod users aren't going to be void. I don't see why the individual records should be.

 

[Wrigley]

Tangent question: What happens when Bonds hits 50 HRs this season and wins the MVP?

There is a 0% chance that he ever wins an MVP vote.

if bonds' average stays where it is, he hits 50 homers and his OBP stays head and shoulders above everybody else and the giants have a solid record, he will be the MVP.

Who ever said Bonds still wasn't on the juice?They don't/can't test for HGH........I'm sure he's still on the stuff.

 

[cobalt_27]

Tangent question: What happens when Bonds hits 50 HRs this season and wins the MVP?

There is a 0% chance that he ever wins an MVP vote.

if bonds' average stays where it is, he hits 50 homers and his OBP stays head and shoulders above everybody else and the giants have a solid record, he will be the MVP.

There are voters who don't vote for pitchers because they don't believe a player who plays every 5 days can be an MVP. There are voters who don't believe that DH's can be MVP's. There is simply no way that these old baseball salts would give Bonds the MVP - absolutely no way, IMO.

I'm not saying he couldn't be the most valuable player in baseball - I'm saying he will not be voted the Most Valuable Player in baseball.

So voters who don't like Bonds and think that his homerun title will be illegitimate would make the MVP illegitimate because they'd focus on a players attitude/persona instead of his contribution on field? That's why I love baseball..........

If they think he's cheating and his HR's are illegitimate, then it's much more than his "attitude/persona".

So they think he his still cheating and thus wouldn't give him the MVP this year?? Or are they "punishing"him for their perceived past trangressions? You can't go back and play the games over. Games that were played by steriod users aren't going to be void. I don't see why the individual records should be.

Would you put it past BB to still be on HGH and/or steroids?

 

[Genedoc]

Tangent question: What happens when Bonds hits 50 HRs this season and wins the MVP?

There is a 0% chance that he ever wins an MVP vote.

if bonds' average stays where it is, he hits 50 homers and his OBP stays head and shoulders above everybody else and the giants have a solid record, he will be the MVP.

There are voters who don't vote for pitchers because they don't believe a player who plays every 5 days can be an MVP. There are voters who don't believe that DH's can be MVP's. There is simply no way that these old baseball salts would give Bonds the MVP - absolutely no way, IMO.

I'm not saying he couldn't be the most valuable player in baseball - I'm saying he will not be voted the Most Valuable Player in baseball.

So voters who don't like Bonds and think that his homerun title will be illegitimate would make the MVP illegitimate because they'd focus on a players attitude/persona instead of his contribution on field? That's why I love baseball..........

If they think he's cheating and his HR's are illegitimate, then it's much more than his "attitude/persona".

So they think he his still cheating and thus wouldn't give him the MVP this year?? Or are they "punishing"him for their perceived past trangressions? You can't go back and play the games over. Games that were played by steriod users aren't going to be void. I don't see why the individual records should be.

Maybe not in the record book, but that's exactly what they are in the hearts and minds of many baseball fans.

 

[greenroom]

Schilling is an idiot, I am sure he would have embraced Roger just fine if he had come to Boston and you can't tell me Roger wasn't a juicer.

Link?

Link to show me that Bonds "with his knowledge and his willingness that he used steriods" ???O wait there is none. He admitted that trainers put steroids on him but told him they were something else.

No drug tests that show a positive for steroids. How long have the Feds been trying to get something on Bonds and as of yet they have not??

To me Schilling is just as big of a ### as Bonds. Yet we give Schilling a pass. When he was in front of congress he did not tell the whole truth. Yet he gets a pass??

 

[Billy Bats]

Schilling is an idiot, I am sure he would have embraced Roger just fine if he had come to Boston and you can't tell me Roger wasn't a juicer.

Link?

To me Schilling is just as big of a ### as Bonds. Yet we give Schilling a pass. When he was in front of congress he did not tell the whole truth. Yet he gets a pass??

I'm curious, please refresh my memory, what didn't Schilling tell the whole truth about? ETA: I know the obvious answer is steroids, but what does he know that he didn't share?

 

[Darth Cheney]

Tangent question: What happens when Bonds hits 50 HRs this season and wins the MVP?

There is a 0% chance that he ever wins an MVP vote.

if bonds' average stays where it is, he hits 50 homers and his OBP stays head and shoulders above everybody else and the giants have a solid record, he will be the MVP.

There are voters who don't vote for pitchers because they don't believe a player who plays every 5 days can be an MVP. There are voters who don't believe that DH's can be MVP's. There is simply no way that these old baseball salts would give Bonds the MVP - absolutely no way, IMO.

I'm not saying he couldn't be the most valuable player in baseball - I'm saying he will not be voted the Most Valuable Player in baseball.

So voters who don't like Bonds and think that his homerun title will be illegitimate would make the MVP illegitimate because they'd focus on a players attitude/persona instead of his contribution on field? That's why I love baseball..........

If they think he's cheating and his HR's are illegitimate, then it's much more than his "attitude/persona".

So they think he his still cheating and thus wouldn't give him the MVP this year?? Or are they "punishing"him for their perceived past trangressions? You can't go back and play the games over. Games that were played by steriod users aren't going to be void. I don't see why the individual records should be.

Would you put it past BB to still be on HGH and/or steroids?

I do not think that BB is on HGH and/or steroids anymore.EDITED TO ADD: I think that Bonds is guilty in the court of public opinion...but in the court of law he is innocent until proven guilty.

 

[cobalt_27]

Tangent question: What happens when Bonds hits 50 HRs this season and wins the MVP?

There is a 0% chance that he ever wins an MVP vote.

if bonds' average stays where it is, he hits 50 homers and his OBP stays head and shoulders above everybody else and the giants have a solid record, he will be the MVP.

There are voters who don't vote for pitchers because they don't believe a player who plays every 5 days can be an MVP. There are voters who don't believe that DH's can be MVP's. There is simply no way that these old baseball salts would give Bonds the MVP - absolutely no way, IMO.

I'm not saying he couldn't be the most valuable player in baseball - I'm saying he will not be voted the Most Valuable Player in baseball.

So voters who don't like Bonds and think that his homerun title will be illegitimate would make the MVP illegitimate because they'd focus on a players attitude/persona instead of his contribution on field? That's why I love baseball..........

If they think he's cheating and his HR's are illegitimate, then it's much more than his "attitude/persona".

So they think he his still cheating and thus wouldn't give him the MVP this year?? Or are they "punishing"him for their perceived past trangressions? You can't go back and play the games over. Games that were played by steriod users aren't going to be void. I don't see why the individual records should be.

Would you put it past BB to still be on HGH and/or steroids?

I do not think that BB is on HGH and/or steroids anymore.EDITED TO ADD: I think that Bonds is guilty in the court of public opinion...but in the court of law he is innocent until proven guilty.