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Granderson is better.
I think it''s more of an accomplishment than a record. Baseball is all about stats, this is just another grouping of stats to measure success.
Guy's having a great season, just an odd 'record' or whatever to read about. I had 7 chicken wings, 4 beers, 2 salads and a slice and a coke today....new record.
Say what? Granderson is having a good season and is a very nice player, but let's not get carried away. You had it right the first time.Doctor Detroit said:I argued on a big Tigers board early this year that Grady Sizemore was better than Curtis Granderson long-term.Granderson is better.
Say what? Granderson is having a good season and is a very nice player, but let's not get carried away. You had it right the first time.Doctor Detroit said:I argued on a big Tigers board early this year that Grady Sizemore was better than Curtis Granderson long-term.Granderson is better.
You really think Granderson will have a better career than Sizemore?Say what? Granderson is having a good season and is a very nice player, but let's not get carried away. You had it right the first time.Doctor Detroit said:I argued on a big Tigers board early this year that Grady Sizemore was better than Curtis Granderson long-term.Granderson is better.
He's at least as good now. Granderson has better range in CF and maybe a little better arm which isn't saying much, and Granderson has made six errors in CF over the past 300 games, Sizemore 5.At the plate Sizemore has more HR power and draws more walks. Granderson has good gap power though and is probably a better baserunner after a hit. They both strike out a lot and they both have trouble against lefthanded pitchers. Sizemore is in his third full season and Granderson is in his second. Why are you so sure Sizemore will be so much better? He certainly is not a better fielder and he's just a slightly better hitter because of the walks. I can see the arguments for either player but I don't see a big difference either way. They are both good hitters, both good fielders, and they both are good baserunners. Sizemore is a year younger. I think both will increase their power numbers as they get older and both could shift to LF.You really think Granderson will have a better career than Sizemore?Say what? Granderson is having a good season and is a very nice player, but let's not get carried away. You had it right the first time.Doctor Detroit said:I argued on a big Tigers board early this year that Grady Sizemore was better than Curtis Granderson long-term.
I'd say the difference in defense is negligable. Sizemore is two years younger using "season age", as he just turned 25 last month and Granderson will be 27 before next season starts. Sizemore has shown pretty consistent OPS numbers over the past three seasons, whereas all of Granderson's MLB OPS success is based on his great '07 campaign. I'd agree that using Granderson's 2007 campaign compared to the average production of Sizemore 2005-2007 grades them fairly equal, but I'll take the kid that just turned 25 and has been posting All-Star caliber numbers since age 22. I'm not saying Granderson is a bad player, I think he is very good. I'm just not sure how anyone can say in good faith that he is better right now, or that he will have a better career than Grady Sizemore.He's at least as good now. Granderson has better range in CF and maybe a little better arm which isn't saying much, and Granderson has made six errors in CF over the past 300 games, Sizemore 5.At the plate Sizemore has more HR power and draws more walks. Granderson has good gap power though and is probably a better baserunner after a hit. They both strike out a lot and they both have trouble against lefthanded pitchers. Sizemore is in his third full season and Granderson is in his second. Why are you so sure Sizemore will be so much better? He certainly is not a better fielder and he's just a slightly better hitter because of the walks. I can see the arguments for either player but I don't see a big difference either way. They are both good hitters, both good fielders, and they both are good baserunners. Sizemore is a year younger. I think both will increase their power numbers as they get older and both could shift to LF.You really think Granderson will have a better career than Sizemore?Say what? Granderson is having a good season and is a very nice player, but let's not get carried away. You had it right the first time.Doctor Detroit said:I argued on a big Tigers board early this year that Grady Sizemore was better than Curtis Granderson long-term.Granderson is better.
I had the same but I had a diet coke. Does that mean my record was watered down compared to yours?
You just like Sizemore cuz he's white.I'd say the difference in defense is negligable. Sizemore is two years younger using "season age", as he just turned 25 last month and Granderson will be 27 before next season starts. Sizemore has shown pretty consistent OPS numbers over the past three seasons, whereas all of Granderson's MLB OPS success is based on his great '07 campaign. I'd agree that using Granderson's 2007 campaign compared to the average production of Sizemore 2005-2007 grades them fairly equal, but I'll take the kid that just turned 25 and has been posting All-Star caliber numbers since age 22. I'm not saying Granderson is a bad player, I think he is very good. I'm just not sure how anyone can say in good faith that he is better right now, or that he will have a better career than Grady Sizemore.He's at least as good now. Granderson has better range in CF and maybe a little better arm which isn't saying much, and Granderson has made six errors in CF over the past 300 games, Sizemore 5.At the plate Sizemore has more HR power and draws more walks. Granderson has good gap power though and is probably a better baserunner after a hit. They both strike out a lot and they both have trouble against lefthanded pitchers. Sizemore is in his third full season and Granderson is in his second. Why are you so sure Sizemore will be so much better? He certainly is not a better fielder and he's just a slightly better hitter because of the walks. I can see the arguments for either player but I don't see a big difference either way. They are both good hitters, both good fielders, and they both are good baserunners. Sizemore is a year younger. I think both will increase their power numbers as they get older and both could shift to LF.You really think Granderson will have a better career than Sizemore?Say what? Granderson is having a good season and is a very nice player, but let's not get carried away. You had it right the first time.I argued on a big Tigers board early this year that Grady Sizemore was better than Curtis Granderson long-term.Granderson is better.
white AND dreamy...You just like Sizemore cuz he's white.I'd say the difference in defense is negligable. Sizemore is two years younger using "season age", as he just turned 25 last month and Granderson will be 27 before next season starts. Sizemore has shown pretty consistent OPS numbers over the past three seasons, whereas all of Granderson's MLB OPS success is based on his great '07 campaign.He's at least as good now. Granderson has better range in CF and maybe a little better arm which isn't saying much, and Granderson has made six errors in CF over the past 300 games, Sizemore 5.At the plate Sizemore has more HR power and draws more walks. Granderson has good gap power though and is probably a better baserunner after a hit. They both strike out a lot and they both have trouble against lefthanded pitchers. Sizemore is in his third full season and Granderson is in his second. Why are you so sure Sizemore will be so much better? He certainly is not a better fielder and he's just a slightly better hitter because of the walks. I can see the arguments for either player but I don't see a big difference either way. They are both good hitters, both good fielders, and they both are good baserunners. Sizemore is a year younger.You really think Granderson will have a better career than Sizemore?Say what? Granderson is having a good season and is a very nice player, but let's not get carried away. You had it right the first time.I argued on a big Tigers board early this year that Grady Sizemore was better than Curtis Granderson long-term.
I think both will increase their power numbers as they get older and both could shift to LF.
I'd agree that using Granderson's 2007 campaign compared to the average production of Sizemore 2005-2007 grades them fairly equal, but I'll take the kid that just turned 25 and has been posting All-Star caliber numbers since age 22.
I'm not saying Granderson is a bad player, I think he is very good. I'm just not sure how anyone can say in good faith that he is better right now, or that he will have a better career than Grady Sizemore.
He's actually not white.RockNRolen said:white AND dreamy...SofaKings said:You just like Sizemore cuz he's white.I'd say the difference in defense is negligable. Sizemore is two years younger using "season age", as he just turned 25 last month and Granderson will be 27 before next season starts. Sizemore has shown pretty consistent OPS numbers over the past three seasons, whereas all of Granderson's MLB OPS success is based on his great '07 campaign.He's at least as good now. Granderson has better range in CF and maybe a little better arm which isn't saying much, and Granderson has made six errors in CF over the past 300 games, Sizemore 5.At the plate Sizemore has more HR power and draws more walks. Granderson has good gap power though and is probably a better baserunner after a hit. They both strike out a lot and they both have trouble against lefthanded pitchers. Sizemore is in his third full season and Granderson is in his second. Why are you so sure Sizemore will be so much better? He certainly is not a better fielder and he's just a slightly better hitter because of the walks. I can see the arguments for either player but I don't see a big difference either way. They are both good hitters, both good fielders, and they both are good baserunners. Sizemore is a year younger.You really think Granderson will have a better career than Sizemore?Say what? Granderson is having a good season and is a very nice player, but let's not get carried away. You had it right the first time.I argued on a big Tigers board early this year that Grady Sizemore was better than Curtis Granderson long-term.
I think both will increase their power numbers as they get older and both could shift to LF.
I'd agree that using Granderson's 2007 campaign compared to the average production of Sizemore 2005-2007 grades them fairly equal, but I'll take the kid that just turned 25 and has been posting All-Star caliber numbers since age 22.
I'm not saying Granderson is a bad player, I think he is very good. I'm just not sure how anyone can say in good faith that he is better right now, or that he will have a better career than Grady Sizemore.
In that case, I agree... Granderson is better.He's actually not white.RockNRolen said:white AND dreamy...SofaKings said:You just like Sizemore cuz he's white.I'd say the difference in defense is negligable. Sizemore is two years younger using "season age", as he just turned 25 last month and Granderson will be 27 before next season starts. Sizemore has shown pretty consistent OPS numbers over the past three seasons, whereas all of Granderson's MLB OPS success is based on his great '07 campaign.He's at least as good now. Granderson has better range in CF and maybe a little better arm which isn't saying much, and Granderson has made six errors in CF over the past 300 games, Sizemore 5.At the plate Sizemore has more HR power and draws more walks. Granderson has good gap power though and is probably a better baserunner after a hit. They both strike out a lot and they both have trouble against lefthanded pitchers. Sizemore is in his third full season and Granderson is in his second. Why are you so sure Sizemore will be so much better? He certainly is not a better fielder and he's just a slightly better hitter because of the walks. I can see the arguments for either player but I don't see a big difference either way. They are both good hitters, both good fielders, and they both are good baserunners. Sizemore is a year younger.You really think Granderson will have a better career than Sizemore?Say what? Granderson is having a good season and is a very nice player, but let's not get carried away. You had it right the first time.I argued on a big Tigers board early this year that Grady Sizemore was better than Curtis Granderson long-term.
I think both will increase their power numbers as they get older and both could shift to LF.
I'd agree that using Granderson's 2007 campaign compared to the average production of Sizemore 2005-2007 grades them fairly equal, but I'll take the kid that just turned 25 and has been posting All-Star caliber numbers since age 22.
I'm not saying Granderson is a bad player, I think he is very good. I'm just not sure how anyone can say in good faith that he is better right now, or that he will have a better career than Grady Sizemore.
I knew you'd come around.RockNRolen said:
Sizemore = Overrated. Cleveland is known for pumping up losers to star status: Brad Daugherty, Ernest Byner, Roger Dorn...In that case, I agree... Granderson is better.He's actually not white.white AND dreamy...You just like Sizemore cuz he's white.I'd say the difference in defense is negligable. Sizemore is two years younger using "season age", as he just turned 25 last month and Granderson will be 27 before next season starts. Sizemore has shown pretty consistent OPS numbers over the past three seasons, whereas all of Granderson's MLB OPS success is based on his great '07 campaign.He's at least as good now. Granderson has better range in CF and maybe a little better arm which isn't saying much, and Granderson has made six errors in CF over the past 300 games, Sizemore 5.At the plate Sizemore has more HR power and draws more walks. Granderson has good gap power though and is probably a better baserunner after a hit. They both strike out a lot and they both have trouble against lefthanded pitchers. Sizemore is in his third full season and Granderson is in his second. Why are you so sure Sizemore will be so much better? He certainly is not a better fielder and he's just a slightly better hitter because of the walks. I can see the arguments for either player but I don't see a big difference either way. They are both good hitters, both good fielders, and they both are good baserunners. Sizemore is a year younger.You really think Granderson will have a better career than Sizemore?Say what? Granderson is having a good season and is a very nice player, but let's not get carried away. You had it right the first time.I argued on a big Tigers board early this year that Grady Sizemore was better than Curtis Granderson long-term.Granderson is better.
I think both will increase their power numbers as they get older and both could shift to LF.
I'd agree that using Granderson's 2007 campaign compared to the average production of Sizemore 2005-2007 grades them fairly equal, but I'll take the kid that just turned 25 and has been posting All-Star caliber numbers since age 22.
I'm not saying Granderson is a bad player, I think he is very good. I'm just not sure how anyone can say in good faith that he is better right now, or that he will have a better career than Grady Sizemore.
Rollins has 19 triples and he just broke Willie Wilson's AB record.2 games to go.
Yes. Comparing Granderson's ISoD to Sizemore's leads me to believe that Sizemore will likely better the better player.
I think that I read Rollins is the first guy to perform another grouping of stuff:30/30/30/200 2B/HR/SB/HITSThe grouping things are okay, but 30/30 and 40/40 are more time tested.Anymore , with the extra offense, one needs to add stuff.
What is ISoD?
He is the clear MVP to me.
It's called the isolated discipline which is OBP v Average so essentially how many walks Sizemore gets compared to Granderson. I think to make a correct call on that you have to give Granderson one more full year to really make this a predictor of use. If Granderson can be more patient and just draw walks against LH pitching he'll be right there with Sizemore. Each player has improved on their OBP over their first two and three full seasons respectively. This may even take 4 full years to know because you have players like Vernon Wells who are way up and down from year to year.
just got it in the last game.
Rollins:30 Hrs38 doubles20 triples41 SBsGranderson:23 Hrs38 doubles23 triples26 SBs
"Gay"
Absolutely unreal...over 100 years of baseball and this only happened 2 times before this year...then it happens TWICE. That is one tremendous accomplishment.just got it in the last game.
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:spittake: PA 2B 3B HR RBI OPS+Rollins 406 25 9 12 47 129Granderson 341 20 13 13 38 155Year Ag Tm Lg Pos G PO A E DP FP lgFP RFg lgRFg RF9 lgRF9 GS Inn +--------------+---+----+------+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+------+ 2007 26 DET AL CF 157 424 10 5 4 .989 .989 2.76 2.42 3.04 2.71 0 1285.0 2007 28 PHI NL SS 162 227 479 11 110 .985 .975 4.36 4.00 4.41 4.44 0 1441.3
Last player was Mays in 57. Frank Schulte was the 1st.Great for Rollins and Granderson.Just curious, did they say who the other two guys were? Bobby Bonds? Jimmy Wynn? Joe Morgan? Sorry, too lazy to look it up......TIA
