Curtis Martin on PUP list (1 Viewer)

[MLBrandow]

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/NYJ/9574370

Jets place RB Martin on PUP list

NFL.com wire reports

HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. (July 27, 2006) -- Jets running back Curtis Martin won't practice when training camp opens July 28 because of a lingering knee injury.

Martin was placed on the physically unable to perform list, along with receiver Justin McCareins and center Trey Teague. The 33-year-old Martin had arthroscopic surgery last December to clean out his right knee, then was limited during minicamp last month.

Though the surgery wasn't considered invasive, it has taken Martin some time to recover. Martin and coach Eric Mangini were unavailable for comment July 27, when players reported for camp.

Martin, who ranks fourth all-time on the NFL rushing list with 14,101 yards, reworked his contract so he could return for a 12th season. Last year, Martin gained only 735 yards in 12 games -- the first time in his career he failed to reach the 1,000-yard mark

With Martin out, the majority of the reps will go to Derrick Blaylock, Cedric Houston and rookie Leon Washington.

McCareins hurt his foot during minicamp, and Teague broke his left ankle during offseason workouts. Teague is still in a walking boot. The Jets also placed defensive back Rayshun Reed on the PUP list. The moves are a formality, and the players can be moved back onto the active roster at any time.

In other moves,the Jets signed first-round pick Nick Mangold and second-round selection Kellen Clemens, getting all their players signed in time for the start of training camp.

Mangold, a center out of Ohio State, is penciled in to start with fellow rookie D'Brickashaw Ferguson. The No. 4 overall pick signed his deal July 26. Clemens, a quarterback out of Oregon, is expected to compete for the starting job with Chad Pennington and Patrick Ramsey.

General manager Mike Tannenbaum has an excellent record of getting every draft pick into camp since he started negotiating contracts in 1997. He has signed every first-round pick on time, except for a brief absence from James Farrior in 1997.

The team also signed OL Pete McMahon and waived FB Luke Lawton.

===

Who emerges as the starter? How long is CMart out for? Does he assume a backup role?

Was pretty high on CMart flying under the radar, but knee problems and 33 don't go well together. Thought he'd be fine by TC.

 

[OddibeMcD]

Ugh, I'll take a real mess, b/c C-Mart will probably play at some point, but will be rusty from missing training camp (though he does stay in good shape) and play ineffective.

I'd call it C-Mart 40% Blaylock 40% and Houston 20%-including goalline duty.

 

[MLBrandow]

Yeah, it's a bummer too. A healthy CMart IMO could easily put up a 1k season. Big blow to his ADP in my book.

Lingering knee problems from a december surgery is a bad, bad sign.

 

[Z-Dog]

In the local media the news was reported as a formality - it was known that Martin would not be able to participate in training camp right from the opening bell.

As for the rest of the RBs, it's a pretty open competition. Personally, I think C-Mart becomes the 3rd-down back and Houston and Blaylock fight for the rest of the job, while Washington plays special teams and returns kicks and/or punts.

 

[MLBrandow]

In the local media the news was reported as a formality - it was known that Martin would not be able to participate in training camp right from the opening bell.

As for the rest of the RBs, it's a pretty open competition. Personally, I think C-Mart becomes the 3rd-down back and Houston and Blaylock fight for the rest of the job, while Washington plays special teams and returns kicks and/or punts.

Who do you like to emerge? Houston or Blaylock?

 

[joffer]

Houston is a little intriguing. I didn't follow him much in college. Any Jets' homers with an opinion on the guy?

 

[Z-Dog]

It's really tough to evaluate. Lots of guys look good in the second half of lost seasons. Houston looked like a determined runner with more speed than I expected. He has a nice burst and hits the hole hard, but I don't know if he has great vision or instincts. Hard to say - the line was so horrible, what may have seemed like poor vision to me was actually just awful blocking. Remember, that line was giving up sacks on three-step drops.

I'm leaning towards Blaylock, actually. He didn't look too great when he was healthy last year, but he only got 17 carries, which is really not enough to make any judgments. I look at what he was capable of in KC and I'm impressed. Lots of people will say that the O-line there would have made anyone look good, and there is something to that argument. But Blaylock has a career yards/catch of over 10 yards. That's impressive, and I think it demonstrates that this guy has some serious skills. Also, he strikes me as a Mangini type of player. He's not selfish, he's all about team, he's got good fundamentals, runs hard, and has a well-rounded set of skills. I think Houston is still learning, and may develop into something, but is a more limited player right now.

 

[MLBrandow]

It's really tough to evaluate. Lots of guys look good in the second half of lost seasons. Houston looked like a determined runner with more speed than I expected. He has a nice burst and hits the hole hard, but I don't know if he has great vision or instincts. Hard to say - the line was so horrible, what may have seemed like poor vision to me was actually just awful blocking. Remember, that line was giving up sacks on three-step drops.

I'm leaning towards Blaylock, actually. He didn't look too great when he was healthy last year, but he only got 17 carries, which is really not enough to make any judgments. I look at what he was capable of in KC and I'm impressed. Lots of people will say that the O-line there would have made anyone look good, and there is something to that argument. But Blaylock has a career yards/catch of over 10 yards. That's impressive, and I think it demonstrates that this guy has some serious skills. Also, he strikes me as a Mangini type of player. He's not selfish, he's all about team, he's got good fundamentals, runs hard, and has a well-rounded set of skills. I think Houston is still learning, and may develop into something, but is a more limited player right now.

And I, as well. Houston has a very low ceiling IMO as an NFL back. Although it's never easy to gauge NFL talent from under a season sample size, his splits are very unfriendly to his chances.While his YPC is expected to be low, that he started in the 2nd half of the season would indicate that he shouldn't wear down nearly as fast as defenses.

What I see in his splits, albeit limited, is a guy who burns himself out early. Low YPC is to be expected, but the way it splits is indicative of backup material.

Houston's 2005 Carry Splits -

1-5: 32/127/TD (4.0ypc)

6-10: 20/82/0TD (4.1ypc)

11-15: 15/65/0TD (4.3ypc)

16+: 14/28/TD (2.0ypc)

Blaylock seems to have the skillset on the field, as well as the numbers to back him up. The only real gripe for him is potentially his affinity for injury. And that may just be a result of being unlucky, rather than being soft. Hard to tell sometimes, and I didn't see how he went down last year or how he was injured with the Chiefs.

Blaylock's Career Carry Splits -

1-5: 94/420/4TD (4.5ypc)

6-10: 32/159/159/2TD (5.0ypc)

11-15: 21/74/2TD (3.5ypc)

16+: 26/123/2TD (4.7ypc)

Again, albeit small sample sizes, you see some crazy anomalies.

First, he's got 10 rushing TDs in 173 career attempts. That's a 5.78% scoring percentage. Pretty damn good. If you take away a couple of those 3TDs he had in the one freak game against ATL in 2004, you still get a 4.62% scoring percentage.

To give you an idea of how good that is, the average of the top 30 backs from last year was 2.95%. The average for the top 10 backs was 3.77%. The Stud TD backs are the ones that eclipse the 5% mark. So, effectively he's right up there.

Additionally, check out his 20+ yard carry splits. At 4.53% break percentage, that puts him among the elite break backs in the league as well (right about the Tiki Barber/Larry Johnson level).

Now, granted we are comparing 3rd down back numbers to feature back numbers, his big play ability rivals that of LJ in his 3rd down role before he took over. I'm not saying he's the next LJ, but the numbers support what we've seen flashes of: that this guy has the talent to be a very explosive runner.

And it's VERY hard not to like his career 10.2ypr average.

Anyway, if he could sustain a season as a feature back, we might see a poor man's Tiki Barber emerge.

 

[Traders2001]

No doubt . Houston would take over Blaylock is coming back from another injury and could not even take part in mini camps ( not sure about training camp yet ) Blaylock will be at very very best a 3rd down back.

 

[Traders2001]

It's really tough to evaluate. Lots of guys look good in the second half of lost seasons. Houston looked like a determined runner with more speed than I expected. He has a nice burst and hits the hole hard, but I don't know if he has great vision or instincts. Hard to say - the line was so horrible, what may have seemed like poor vision to me was actually just awful blocking. Remember, that line was giving up sacks on three-step drops.

I'm leaning towards Blaylock, actually. He didn't look too great when he was healthy last year, but he only got 17 carries, which is really not enough to make any judgments. I look at what he was capable of in KC and I'm impressed. Lots of people will say that the O-line there would have made anyone look good, and there is something to that argument. But Blaylock has a career yards/catch of over 10 yards. That's impressive, and I think it demonstrates that this guy has some serious skills. Also, he strikes me as a Mangini type of player. He's not selfish, he's all about team, he's got good fundamentals, runs hard, and has a well-rounded set of skills. I think Houston is still learning, and may develop into something, but is a more limited player right now.

And I, as well. Houston has a very low ceiling IMO as an NFL back. Although it's never easy to gauge NFL talent from under a season sample size, his splits are very unfriendly to his chances.While his YPC is expected to be low, that he started in the 2nd half of the season would indicate that he shouldn't wear down nearly as fast as defenses.

What I see in his splits, albeit limited, is a guy who burns himself out early. Low YPC is to be expected, but the way it splits is indicative of backup material.

Houston's 2005 Carry Splits -

1-5: 32/127/TD (4.0ypc)

6-10: 20/82/0TD (4.1ypc)

11-15: 15/65/0TD (4.3ypc)

16+: 14/28/TD (2.0ypc)

Blaylock seems to have the skillset on the field, as well as the numbers to back him up. The only real gripe for him is potentially his affinity for injury. And that may just be a result of being unlucky, rather than being soft. Hard to tell sometimes, and I didn't see how he went down last year or how he was injured with the Chiefs.

Blaylock's Career Carry Splits -

1-5: 94/420/4TD (4.5ypc)

6-10: 32/159/159/2TD (5.0ypc)

11-15: 21/74/2TD (3.5ypc)

16+: 26/123/2TD (4.7ypc)

Again, albeit small sample sizes, you see some crazy anomalies.

First, he's got 10 rushing TDs in 173 career attempts. That's a 5.78% scoring percentage. Pretty damn good. If you take away a couple of those 3TDs he had in the one freak game against ATL in 2004, you still get a 4.62% scoring percentage.

To give you an idea of how good that is, the average of the top 30 backs from last year was 2.95%. The average for the top 10 backs was 3.77%. The Stud TD backs are the ones that eclipse the 5% mark. So, effectively he's right up there.

Additionally, check out his 20+ yard carry splits. At 4.53% break percentage, that puts him among the elite break backs in the league as well (right about the Tiki Barber/Larry Johnson level).

Now, granted we are comparing 3rd down back numbers to feature back numbers, his big play ability rivals that of LJ in his 3rd down role before he took over. I'm not saying he's the next LJ, but the numbers support what we've seen flashes of: that this guy has the talent to be a very explosive runner.

And it's VERY hard not to like his career 10.2ypr average.

Anyway, if he could sustain a season as a feature back, we might see a poor man's Tiki Barber emerge.

I dont agree with your statement cause Blaylock played in KC where Sammy Morris would make the pro bowl rush for 1800 yds and score 20 TD,s , i mean anyone except me would run for over 1500 yds and score 20 td s in KC.This is the Jets we are talking about Houston in the games he played last year did better then Martin ( and they had one of the worst OL in football and no qB.

I say Houston gets the first crack at it and then if it doesnt work there is a guy by the name of Washington they selected in the 4th round , but Blaylock wont even be a factor.

 

[Emmitt Smith]

Curtis Martin.

18,355

 

[The Moz]

Houston is a ton better than Blaylock ! Blaylock had 2 great games in his carrer. I game agianst Atlanta in the second half where he scored 4 TD's - oh that was after Priest got 4 TDs already and the back ups was in. And 1 games against the saints where he had 150 and 1 TD . w/o a great O line Blaylock is garbage. Houston actually looked decent.

 

[Sinrman]

Houston is a ton better than Blaylock ! Blaylock had 2 great games in his carrer. I game agianst Atlanta in the second half where he scored 4 TD's - oh that was after Priest got 4 TDs already and the back ups was in. And 1 games against the saints where he had 150 and 1 TD . w/o a great O line Blaylock is garbage. Houston actually looked decent.

Grammar police, grammar police!

 

[Sidewinder16]

Via the Blogger:

The Star-Ledger

Second-year pro Cedric Houston is expected to work with the first team today. Veteran Derrick Blaylock and rookie Leon Washington are also in the mix.

 

[harrycarey]

Houston is a ton better than Blaylock !  Blaylock had 2 great games in his carrer.  I game agianst Atlanta in the second half where he scored 4 TD's - oh that was after Priest got 4 TDs already and the back ups was in.  And 1 games against the saints where he had 150 and 1 TD .  w/o a great O line Blaylock is garbage.  Houston actually looked decent.

Grammar police, grammar police!

Tool police, tool police!

 

[Kleck.]

I've been targeting Blaylock in all of my early drafts. With an ADP of 18th+ I believe he is being underrated/forgotten by most, and there really is no risk.

 

[Otis]

Via the Blogger:

The Star-Ledger

Second-year pro Cedric Houston is expected to work with the first team today. Veteran Derrick Blaylock and rookie Leon Washington are also in the mix.

Those of you above who are comparing stats are wasting your time. Comparing Houston's limited stats last year behind that disastrous O-line to ANYONE's stats in KC is about as apples-to-oranges as it gets. There is zero value in that analysis.

I like Houston to come out this year.

 

[Gadzooks]

I think Martin going on the PUP is the best possible news for those who are targeting CMart in the later rounds. More people will overlook him and continue the popular theory that he is done. The PUP doesn't mean much, he can come off of it at any time. Being the veteran he is, he doesn't really need training camp, he keeps himself in great shape year round. I see it as it just being a case of not wanting to over work him so he stays healthy for the entire season. I think Blaylock is a solid RB, I don't think they have total faith in Houston since he got a chance to audition last year and if the team really felt he could the MAN, they would've cut Martin in the offseason to gain more cap space.

I'm putting CMart down for 1100 yards on the ground and another 150 to 200 in the air with 10 to 12 TD's. And you can get him late!!!!!!!!

 

[MLBrandow]

Those of you above who are comparing stats are wasting your time.  Comparing Houston's limited stats last year behind that disastrous O-line to ANYONE's stats in KC is about as apples-to-oranges as it gets.  There is zero value in that analysis.

I like Houston to come out this year.

Thanks for not reading what I wrote. Albeit limited sample size, they also reflect his wear and build.He has a break at about 15 carries, which is what he averaged in college.

That statement about anyone can run behind KC's line can be refuted in two words: Mike Cloud.

I have been very high on CMart to hit 1200 mark and move up on the all-time rushing list. However, lingering knee problems from a december surgery are a big red flag to me.

I hope that we see him in TC at some point looking like a future HOF RB and not washed up.

I think Martin going on the PUP is the best possible news for those who are targeting CMart in the later rounds. More people will overlook him and continue the popular theory that he is done. The PUP doesn't mean much, he can come off of it at any time. Being the veteran he is, he doesn't really need training camp, he keeps himself in great shape year round. I see it as it just being a case of not wanting to over work him so he stays healthy for the entire season. I think Blaylock is a solid RB, I don't think they have total faith in Houston since he got a chance to audition last year and if the team really felt he could the MAN, they would've cut Martin in the offseason to gain more cap space.

I'm putting CMart down for 1100 yards on the ground and another 150 to 200 in the air with 10 to 12 TD's. And you can get him late!!!!!!!!

I agree with this if CMart's knee problems = just fluff and precautionary holdout.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Rush Attempts:

1-5: 5.3

6-10: 3.5

11-15: 3.4

16-20: 3.3

Yet people aren't worried about this guy.

I'm not too concerned about Martin yet. The Jets are taking advantage of the league rules and suiting up as many guys as they can.

The thing that does worry me is that if Martin's knee is really bad and he can't go, we might not find out from Mangini until week 5. So drafting Martin carries a good deal of added risk.

But it wasn't a "serious" surgery and he's had months to recover, so he *should* be ok. In an ideal world he'd be 100% healthy and running, but that's just not going to be the case. A downgrade for Martin, but not the end of the world.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

Yeah, it's a bummer too. A healthy CMart IMO could easily put up a 1k season. Big blow to his ADP in my book.

Lingering knee problems from a december surgery is a bad, bad sign.

I don't get "lingering knee problems" from that report. Sure, it could end up being bad, but just putting him on the PUP doesn't tell you that. Like Chase said, they're doing it because they can. Too soon to assume he'll be a back-up imo.

 

[cstu]

(Rotoworld) Cedric Houston, recovered from a broken wrist, is expected to work with New York's first team offense with Curtis Martin hurt.Impact: This could provide some clarity to the Jets' running back situation. If Martin struggles to get 100% this season, Houston appears to be ahead of Derrick Blaylock and rookie Leon Washington in line for carries. The other two may compete for passing down duties.

 

[MLBrandow]

Rush Attempts:

1-5: 5.3

6-10: 3.5

11-15: 3.4

16-20: 3.3

There's no real drop-off there, and the team was bad all year.I wouldn't worry about Houston if he had a solid ypc under 4 behind a bad line. It's the fact that it noticably deteriorates with more carries.

 

[cstu]

Those of you above who are comparing stats are wasting your time. Comparing Houston's limited stats last year behind that disastrous O-line to ANYONE's stats in KC is about as apples-to-oranges as it gets. There is zero value in that analysis.

I like Houston to come out this year.

Thanks for not reading what I wrote. Albeit limited sample size, they also reflect his wear and build.He has a break at about 15 carries, which is what he averaged in college.

That statement about anyone can run behind KC's line can be refuted in two words: Mike Cloud.

Houston had a thyroid condition in college which wasn't diagnosed so it made him get more tired that he should have been. He's now on thyroid medication and should be fine running 20 times a game. It's also hard to hold a 3.7 YPC against a guy who had one of the worst OL's in football last year.

 

[glock]

Yeah, it's a bummer too. A healthy CMart IMO could easily put up a 1k season. Big blow to his ADP in my book.

Lingering knee problems from a december surgery is a bad, bad sign.

I had "non-invasive" knee surgery the end of November and I'm not ready for a 1K season either. :(

 

[cstu]

Rush Attempts:

1-5: 5.3

6-10: 3.5

11-15: 3.4

16-20: 3.3

There's no real drop-off there, and the team was bad all year.I wouldn't worry about Houston if he had a solid ypc under 4 behind a bad line. It's the fact that it noticably deteriorates with more carries.

You can tell that based on the 3 games he had 5 carries or less? By the way, the team averaged 3.46, Martin 3.3 and Houston 3.7 YPC.