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Curtis Martin worried about knee (1 Viewer)

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This was in todays Star Ledger - doesn't sound too promising - wanted to post it fopr all of you looking to steal Martin - I think it is more serious than any of us Jet fans thought. Jets of course don't draft a RB until the 4th!!!

Martin's status for season uncertain

Monday, August 07, 2006

BY DAVE HUTCHINSON

Star-Ledger Staff

Before the NFL Draft last April, Jets running back Curtis Martin, his surgically-repaired right knee still bothering him, met with the Jets and told them they should strongly consider selecting a running back high in the draft because of his concern about his ability to play this season, a team official told The Star-Ledger yesterday.

"You know it has to be serious for Curtis to do something like that," said the official, who requested anonymity because of coach Eric Mangini's policy against discussing injuries. "That tells you a lot about Curtis. He's always concerned about the team."

Martin, a future Hall of Famer, underwent what was thought to be a routine arthroscopic surgery last December to clean out his knee but the knee hadn't responded and still hasn't. As the Jets enter their second full week of training camp today at Hofstra University, there is growing concern that Martin's career is in jeopardy.

The Jets decided to draft Virginia left tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson with the fourth pick overall and Ohio State center Nick Mangold at 29th overall. They didn't draft a running back until the fourth round, selecting Florida State's Leon Washington.

If Martin does play this season, it's unlikely it will be at the start of the season. He was placed on the physically unable to perform list at the beginning of camp and the Jets are going to great lengths to keep him out of sight and away from the media.

Martin, 33, has had surgery on his right knee the past two seasons. It is believed that a great deal of the cartilage in the knee is gone and that's what is giving Martin trouble despite his well-documented threshold for pain.

"It's bone on bone," the official said.

The Jets, who are trying to keep Martin's condition hush-hush, have been quietly calling around the league inquiring about the availability of running backs. Chris Brown (Titans) and Thomas Jones (Bears), among others, are on their radar.

"Our starting running back on opening day may not be on the roster yet," the official said.

Jones, however, may be hard to pry away from Chicago, especially after starter Cedric Benson injured his shoulder in training camp on Friday night. Besides, Jones is nursing a hamstring injury.

Brown, who has requested a trade, appears to be the leading candidate although some in the organization aren't sold on him.

Part of the reason the Jets have been slow to address the running back situation is because they're reluctant to part with a second-round pick, the likely asking price for a starting-caliber running back. The Jets do have two second-rounders in 2007, having acquired one from the Redskins in a draft day trade, but they want to keep both as they seek to replenish the roster with young talent.

Right now, the Jets are standing pat. They want to see if a veteran becomes available at a cheaper price or if Derrick Blaylock, Cedric Houston or Washington steps up during the preseason.

Blaylock, a fifth-year veteran who was signed as a free agent two off-seasons ago, is currently starting in place of Martin. But some in the organization feel he's no more than a situational back at 5-8, 210 pounds.

Houston, a second-year pro, is a tough, solid runner but he doesn't appear to be a featured back. Washington is quick but raw. He's also only 5-8, 202 pounds.

Martin, entering his 12th season, made the trip to New Jersey over the weekend but was conspicuously absent from the sidelines and didn't come out to sign post-practice autographs.

Since the start of training camp, Martin, the fourth-leading rusher in NFL history with 14,101 yards, has been rehabbing. During his only interview, he said he's working as hard as the guys on the field and he wouldn't be working this hard if he didn't want to play.

But Father Time may have finally caught up with Martin. As is always the case with him, his spirit is willing, but his body may not be up to the task.

 
so the question becomes.who will be the starter in NY?
If Curtis can't go - I think it will be a RBBC with Blaylock and Houston (with a sprinkling of Washington) - I also believe that there is a good chance they will grab a RB via pick up or trade sometime in August. If I were Tangini I would not give up a 2nd rd pick for TJones or Brown - dangle a 4th rder and see what you can get but this team needs as many high picks as possible. What was Atlanta looking for Duckett?
 
so the question becomes.who will be the starter in NY?
If Curtis can't go - I think it will be a RBBC with Blaylock and Houston (with a sprinkling of Washington) - I also believe that there is a good chance they will grab a RB via pick up or trade sometime in August. If I were Tangini I would not give up a 2nd rd pick for TJones or Brown - dangle a 4th rder and see what you can get but this team needs as many high picks as possible. What was Atlanta looking for Duckett?
you're right, he won't waste a high pick . . .he'd get someone like Suggs or Pinner for a late round pick . . . Brown isn't worth a 2nd anyway . . . Jones isn't going anywhere until Benson is 100 percent . . .
 
so the question becomes.who will be the starter in NY?
If Curtis can't go - I think it will be a RBBC with Blaylock and Houston (with a sprinkling of Washington) - I also believe that there is a good chance they will grab a RB via pick up or trade sometime in August. If I were Tangini I would not give up a 2nd rd pick for TJones or Brown - dangle a 4th rder and see what you can get but this team needs as many high picks as possible. What was Atlanta looking for Duckett?
you're right, he won't waste a high pick . . .he'd get someone like Suggs or Pinner for a late round pick . . . Brown isn't worth a 2nd anyway . . . Jones isn't going anywhere until Benson is 100 percent . . .
Anyone know what other RBs could be out their via cut or traded?
 
so the question becomes.who will be the starter in NY?
If Curtis can't go - I think it will be a RBBC with Blaylock and Houston (with a sprinkling of Washington) - I also believe that there is a good chance they will grab a RB via pick up or trade sometime in August. If I were Tangini I would not give up a 2nd rd pick for TJones or Brown - dangle a 4th rder and see what you can get but this team needs as many high picks as possible. What was Atlanta looking for Duckett?
you're right, he won't waste a high pick . . .he'd get someone like Suggs or Pinner for a late round pick . . . Brown isn't worth a 2nd anyway . . . Jones isn't going anywhere until Benson is 100 percent . . .
Anyone know what other RBs could be out their via cut or traded?
those are the only ones even worth a mention . . . few teams have good runningback depth . . .
 
The current Jets RB depth chart is:

CuMar

C. Houston

D. Blaylock

L. Washington

In briefly reading each guy's career stats and profiles, I'd say this was an open competition if Martin goes down.

Houston was drafted as a successful major college RB, albeit with modest measurables, who got a decent amount of work last year as a rookie and did ok;

Blaylock looks like a guy with decent skills that KC couldn't hang onto any more and didn't need to given the emergence of LJ, and he's been successful (albeit for the best running offense in the NFL) for the Chiefs when he played;

Washington looks to be talented and athletic, but is the smallest of the three guys and is of course also a rookie.

If I had to guess, I'd say Houston has the edge just because he had the experience from last year, but this is a new coaching staff so how much that actually matters is very difficult to say.

 
My guess is that while Curtis is out, Mangini will play all three guys and hope one emerges. I also think that they will look long and hard at any guys that will be cut in the coming weeks.

I could be way off, but I just don't see a trade for Brown given that camps are already in full force. I think it would have happened already.

 
My guess is that while Curtis is out, Mangini will play all three guys and hope one emerges. I also think that they will look long and hard at any guys that will be cut in the coming weeks.I could be way off, but I just don't see a trade for Brown given that camps are already in full force. I think it would have happened already.
If White is looking good and Henry looks healthy, then why wouldn't a rebuilding team like the Titans make a deal for picks with the Jets? The question would be whether the Jets have the cap room.
 
My guess is that while Curtis is out, Mangini will play all three guys and hope one emerges. I also think that they will look long and hard at any guys that will be cut in the coming weeks.I could be way off, but I just don't see a trade for Brown given that camps are already in full force. I think it would have happened already.
If White is looking good and Henry looks healthy, then why wouldn't a rebuilding team like the Titans make a deal for picks with the Jets? The question would be whether the Jets have the cap room.
The cap situation could indeed be an issue, but I just don't see the Jets bringing in Brown at this point in the middle of training camp. I could be wrong of course, as the team has assuredly surprised me before.
 
Martin's status for season uncertain

Monday, August 07, 2006

BY DAVE HUTCHINSON

Star-Ledger Staff

Martin, 33, has had surgery on his right knee the past two seasons.

It is believed that a great deal of the cartilage in the knee is gone and that's what is giving Martin trouble despite his well-documented threshold for pain.

"It's bone on bone," the official said.
This is what has pretty much ended Marshall Faulk's career.Once all the cartlidge is gone... :shrug:

 
Anyone know what other RBs could be out their via cut or traded?
3rd RB has to play special teams or FB or....he has to do something extra. Very common reason they get cut is simply that they don't.Arizona and Miami have backs that will be OK if cut but the Jets want a feature back. Suppose Smith doesn't work out in Houston...they're not getting a thoroughbred going that route and they're probably comparable to Houston and Blaylock so what's the point? No team is going to cut a top RB and the Jets are in wishful thinking mode IMO. 3rd draft pick or less(don't want to part with 2nd in article above) won't fetch them a featured back either. Something has to give here. They'll have to give up more.I have liked Marion Barber and Chris Perry when I saw them play. If they're really committed to getting a featured back they should see what it would take and pay that *considerable* price to get one of them. If not, it will cost them their first next year(actual pick) anyway
 
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I've heard rumblings that Eric Shelton and Cedric Cobbs are both potentially going to be cut, although neither are probably a better option than Houston and/or Blaylock.

 
Jeez. I was touting Martin as solid value in round 5-6, but after reading this, I won't touch him with a 40-foot pole.

 
You also have to consider the possibility of the Jets packing it in this season. No no no I'm not saying they're not going to try, but to sell off next years potential talent for someone that likely isn't even a short-term solution seems like a bad idea. Mangini is in his first ever year as a head coach, so expectations are low and hes not going to get too much grief for having a down year; heck, everyone knows they'll be one of the worst teams this year with an infinitesimal shot at the playoffs. So I think they're better off rolling with the best of the bunch behind CuMar on the depth chart.

 
Jeez. I was touting Martin as solid value in round 5-6, but after reading this, I won't touch him with a 40-foot pole.
Thats why I posted this - I also figured I could steal him as a late 3rd RB with upside - now unless something changes I would drop him to late rd flyer...
 
You also have to consider the possibility of the Jets packing it in this season. No no no I'm not saying they're not going to try, but to sell off next years potential talent for someone that likely isn't even a short-term solution seems like a bad idea. Mangini is in his first ever year as a head coach, so expectations are low and hes not going to get too much grief for having a down year; heck, everyone knows they'll be one of the worst teams this year with an infinitesimal shot at the playoffs. So I think they're better off rolling with the best of the bunch behind CuMar on the depth chart.
:goodposting: Totally agree - this year is to implement the system and develop. Let Chad/Ramsey take the beatings while Clemmens develops. OL will gel - Defense will improve. Top 10 pick in 2007 with 2 second rd picks should land them a solid RB and WR to team up with Clemens for the long haul. Don't panic and trade to save this season unless you can steal someone for minimal ala Ramsey. Thank God Herm/Badaway are gone - they would be offering a 1st rder for some retread.
 
Hard to imagine that we football fans could lose Marshall Faulk, Priest Holmes, and Curtis Martin all in the same year.

:sadbanana:

Has there ever been a case where three or more top (arguably HOF-caliber) RBs retired in the same year?

 
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I like the Jonathan Wells suggestion.
He'd be good for depth, but I don't think either he (or Lee Suggs as suggested) offer anything more than what the Jets already have.I agree with next year as being the year Mangini finds his own stud RB to replace Curtis, not an incumbent.
 
If the Jets stand pat, I think Houston takes over the feature role.

A name that could come cheaper than a 2nd rounder would be Lee Suggs who has become expendable in Cleveland. They would likely accept a 4th rounder for him.

when Healthy, Suggs is feature back material but that is the rub

 
A whole lot of wild speculation in here about the Jets trading for a starter.

:no:

Their week 1 starter is already on the roster.

 
A whole lot of wild speculation in here about the Jets trading for a starter.:no:Their week 1 starter is already on the roster.
Except that Suggs would not need to be traded for, I still think he is likely to be cut and I think if he is signed he instantly becomes the best running back on the Jets roster.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
Hard to imagine that we football fans could lose Marshall Faulk, Priest Holmes, and Curtis Martin all in the same year.:sadbanana:Has there ever been a case where three or more top (arguably HOF-caliber) RBs retired in the same year?
and Ricky Williams
 
I doubt Cedric Houston will be a starting rb in this league. I watched him a lot in college and was pretty shocked he found a stable spot on an nfl roster. He's dependable, but besides that all his skills are average to below average IMO.

 
zamboni said:
purestrength said:
I like the Jonathan Wells suggestion.
He'd be good for depth, but I don't think either he (or Lee Suggs as suggested) offer anything more than what the Jets already have.I agree with next year as being the year Mangini finds his own stud RB to replace Curtis, not an incumbent.
I reckon talent wise, Suggs blows away any of the Jets current RB's. Trouble is, it's highly doubtful Suggs would be able to make it through TC & pre season, without succumbing to some type of injury. Dude is not only made of glass, it's that fine crystal variety.
 
This report differs

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?sectio...&id=2533779

while it's a week or so ago, if Curtis is working out and in shape and just the way he talked about wanting to be out there and "the fire burning"....it's enough for me to think he'll be there. Maybe I'm just too big a fan of his

Although the premise of the article (first post)begins with "back in April"

 
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You also have to consider the possibility of the Jets packing it in this season. No no no I'm not saying they're not going to try, but to sell off next years potential talent for someone that likely isn't even a short-term solution seems like a bad idea. Mangini is in his first ever year as a head coach, so expectations are low and hes not going to get too much grief for having a down year; heck, everyone knows they'll be one of the worst teams this year with an infinitesimal shot at the playoffs. So I think they're better off rolling with the best of the bunch behind CuMar on the depth chart.
:goodposting: Totally agree - this year is to implement the system and develop. Let Chad/Ramsey take the beatings while Clemmens develops. OL will gel - Defense will improve. Top 10 pick in 2007 with 2 second rd picks should land them a solid RB and WR to team up with Clemens for the long haul. Don't panic and trade to save this season unless you can steal someone for minimal ala Ramsey. Thank God Herm/Badaway are gone - they would be offering a 1st rder for some retread.
I agree in that it seems pretty clear that the Jets and the Bills are playing for 3rd place in that division this year, and in the conference that has been widely regarded as having the best talent in it anyway. They aren't going anywhere this post-season, especially with an entirely new regime. The only trade they'll make will be for a young guy who can potentially start for them long term, which is why the Chris Brown deal might make some sense. Brown certainly has the talent - his only question has been durability. They won't get someone like Artose Pinner because IMHO they already have three guys on their roster who may well be as good or better than Pinner in Washington, Blaylock and Houston. The bottom line here is that without a healthy CuMar, you can make a good argument that there's nobody on that roster who you would want starting for your fantasy team in anything but the deepest leagues, unless one of those other RB's manages not only to grab ahold of the starting job but to also show that he's a consistent performer during the season. I doubt that will happen and I figure what we'll instead see are 2-4 different RB's rushing for between 300 and 700 yards apiece, with no one scoring more than 4 rushing TD's. That bodes well for neither the Jets' rushing or passing game. :thumbdown:
 
Andy Dufresne said:
Hard to imagine that we football fans could lose Marshall Faulk, Priest Holmes, and Curtis Martin all in the same year.:sadbanana:Has there ever been a case where three or more top (arguably HOF-caliber) RBs retired in the same year?
None of these guys have retired yet, and that's a big deal. If they all retire in the same year, it's going to be hell on the HoF selection guys. I dont' think Priest Holmes is going to make it to the hall in such a case. He only has four seasons over 1000 yards, and only 8,000 total yards - well short of true HoF numbers. He's got 86 TDs, true, but no superbowls or even particularly memorable playoff moments. If you have to choose between him and Faulk, it's a no-brainer. Faulk has more yards, more TDs, a 1,000 yard receiving season, and a title. His productive career was much longer. As for Martin, his totals are silly: 14k yards, some 10 straight 1,000 yard seasons (tied the record) and the greatest longevity of all the other backs. It's not all that different from the arguments going back and forth about Terrel Davis and whether he should be in the Hall. I could only see Holmes make it if he doesn't retire the same year as Faulk and Martin.Anyway, assuming nobody emerges in camp, I expect the Jets will trade for Chris Brown. He's starting-caliber, he's young, and he's available from a team that is perfectly happy to get a draft pick for him. And there aren't any serious salary cap ramifications, since he's still playing out his rookie deal that he signed as a 3rd rounder and is making uner $1 million this year.
 
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Andy Dufresne said:
Hard to imagine that we football fans could lose Marshall Faulk, Priest Holmes, and Curtis Martin all in the same year.:sadbanana:Has there ever been a case where three or more top (arguably HOF-caliber) RBs retired in the same year?
None of these guys have retired yet, and that's a big deal. If they all retire in the same year, it's going to be hell on the HoF selection guys. I dont' think Priest Holmes is going to make it to the hall in such a case. He only has four seasons over 1000 yards, and only 8,000 total yards - well short of true HoF numbers. He's got 86 TDs, true, but no superbowls or even particularly memorable playoff moments. If you have to choose between him and Faulk, it's a no-brainer. Faulk has more yards, more TDs, a 1,000 yard receiving season, and a title. His productive career was much longer. As for Martin, his totals are silly: 14k yards, some 10 straight 1,000 yard seasons (tied the record) and the greatest longevity of all the other backs. It's not all that different from the arguments going back and forth about Terrel Davis and whether he should be in the Hall. I could only see Holmes make it if he doesn't retire the same year as Faulk and Martin.Anyway, assuming nobody emerges in camp, I expect the Jets will trade for Chris Brown. He's starting-caliber, he's young, and he's available from a team that is perfectly happy to get a draft pick for him. And there aren't any serious salary cap ramifications, since he's still playing out his rookie deal that he signed as a 3rd rounder and is making uner $1 million this year.
IMO - Faulk and Martin are HOFers while Priest is not.
 
Once again, the anonymous team official strikes. It's better than nothing, because I'm sure they're right more than say a random article generator would be, but I'm far from convinced.

The Jets could have traded for Reggie Bush, but didn't. If they really thought Martin was done, I believe they would have. And since we don't know who the team official is, we have no idea if this is third or fourth hand information. Maybe Martin said to Mangini, 'I don't know where I'm going to be in 6 months, health-wise, and if you think you can get Reggie, well I won't be mad and I'll support the decision.'

Without any reliable quotes, this story doesn't add any more information than what we have, which is Martin's currently in one of three situations:

1) He's done and the Jets are being quiet about it so they could trade for a RB

2) The Jets are being honest, he's not done but he's rehabbing. He could be fine by the time the season starts.

3) Martin's fine now, but the Jets don't want him to go through Mangini's tough practices.

At this point, we just don't know what situation it is. One writer who claims to have some source in the organization and likes to sell newspapers argues that it's the first one. I've seen other writers argue that it's the other two. We're not going to know for awhile, I'd imagine.

To address the other two issues...

1) It's laughable to suggest that the Jets will pack it in this year IN AUGUST.

2) I think Jets fans are split close to 50/50 about who is better, Blaylock or Houston. I firmly reside in the Blaylock camp, as I'm impressed that he put up numbers equal to Larry Johnson and Priest Holmes when in Kansas City. No, not 'he put up great numbers but was in KC', but he put up numbers equal to what we think two of the best RBs of the last five years have done.

That being said, we haven't seen Blaylock stay healthy long-term or excel for the Jets. I don't think Blaylock's a big injury risk going forward, and I think his size is fine. But whether Blaylock's a little better than Houston or Houston's a little better than Blaylock, I see no reason for the Jets not to have a committee this year. The team would probably be better for it, unless one emerges as a star.

 
Why on earth would the Jets trade for a running back now? Is this a team that can make a difference this year? You've turned over the entire coaching staff, 3/4 of your OL. Are we only a RB away?

 
Once again, the anonymous team official strikes. It's better than nothing, because I'm sure they're right more than say a random article generator would be, but I'm far from convinced.The Jets could have traded for Reggie Bush, but didn't. If they really thought Martin was done, I believe they would have. And since we don't know who the team official is, we have no idea if this is third or fourth hand information. Maybe Martin said to Mangini, 'I don't know where I'm going to be in 6 months, health-wise, and if you think you can get Reggie, well I won't be mad and I'll support the decision.'
I certainly agree with you Chase - the J-E-T-S would have made a run for Bush in that case... but who's telling us that they didn't? Initially, they would have been negociating with the Texans - and all of a sudden - they need to talk to the Saints, that must have been more than pleased to see Bush fall to them - thus, being very harsh in their negociations with the Jets...Again, this is all assumptions on my part... no facts / links hereProbably that they think they are comfortable with picking D'Brick in this draft - go with Houston/Blaylock for a year - and hoping to grab CuMar replacement's in next year's draft (Adrian Peterson - if they get a top pick - if not: Michael Bush or Marshawn Lynch) - Let's not kid ourselves in thinking that they won't have a top10 pick next year...What makes me believe that this "anonymous team offical" story is boggus is the fact that, with the 29th pick this year - the J-E-T-S could have picked Addai or White (or at least force the Colts to trade up and get more if they really targeted Mangold) if they knew all along...My 2 cents
 
Once again, the anonymous team official strikes. It's better than nothing, because I'm sure they're right more than say a random article generator would be, but I'm far from convinced.The Jets could have traded for Reggie Bush, but didn't. If they really thought Martin was done, I believe they would have. And since we don't know who the team official is, we have no idea if this is third or fourth hand information. Maybe Martin said to Mangini, 'I don't know where I'm going to be in 6 months, health-wise, and if you think you can get Reggie, well I won't be mad and I'll support the decision.'
I certainly agree with you Chase - the J-E-T-S would have made a run for Bush in that case... but who's telling us that they didn't? Initially, they would have been negociating with the Texans - and all of a sudden - they need to talk to the Saints, that must have been more than pleased to see Bush fall to them - thus, being very harsh in their negociations with the Jets...Again, this is all assumptions on my part... no facts / links here
The Jets had a firm offer from NO. IIRC, it involved giving up the 29th pick and maybe a third rounder. If the Jets were desperate for a runner, they would have been more likely to make that move.
Let's not kid ourselves in thinking that they won't have a top10 pick next year...
I really don't think anyone on the Jets team or Jets staff or Jets management thinks the Jets are going to have a top-10 pick next year.
What makes me believe that this "anonymous team offical" story is boggus is the fact that, with the 29th pick this year - the J-E-T-S could have picked Addai or White (or at least force the Colts to trade up and get more if they really targeted Mangold) if they knew all along...My 2 cents
Excellent point. Jets could have also traded up for DeAngelo Williams.
 
I doubt Cedric Houston will be a starting rb in this league. I watched him a lot in college and was pretty shocked he found a stable spot on an nfl roster. He's dependable, but besides that all his skills are average to below average IMO.
He also played with an undiagnosed thyroid condition.
 
at some point a vet will get cut and the jets can sign him for peanuts if they want to rather than having to trade a pick away - Stay Tuned

 

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