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zamboni
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As a Jets homer, I'd love to be proved wrong, but I believe Curtis is really nearing the end. There's a point where every RB slides, and he's done it longer than anyone.
The other thing is that Mangini doesn't hold any loyalty to him (unlike Herm), so if Curtis struggles out of the gate, there could be a short leash waiting for him.
The other thing is that Mangini doesn't hold any loyalty to him (unlike Herm), so if Curtis struggles out of the gate, there could be a short leash waiting for him.
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Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
Thanks. I'll take the next one.
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jurb26
Footballguy
I truely think that one of the NYJ RBs will have a nice season, or maybe just the team will run the ball well and split the carries. They made some awsome upgrades on the oline and now have some QBs who can get the ball down the field and threaten with a virtical passing game. All this can only help open more rushing lanes for whoever the lucky RB is. I'm in the boat that Mart is done. Age has caught up. While he may impress in a few games here or there, I just can't see it for any porlonged pd of time.
gocats
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I watched quite a few Jets games, and there was little to no respect for the passing game, the oline didnt do a good enough job making holes, I truly believe that cmart will rebound and have a very solid season, I did not see any signs of wear despite playing through a severe injury, CMart is the Eddie Kennison of RBs getting no respect.
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Reaper
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I agree... I'm a Jets homer but, one who has rarely, if ever owned Martin but, now I think he may be a value play at the tail end of starting RB's drafted.... As said before the OL/QB situations of last year just could not have been worse and he was injured....One thing we all know is that few people in the NFL are training as hard as Cmart right now........
Traders2001
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Just joking , cause i laugh each i see someone post info and then there is always one guy asking for LINK.
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Rovers
Footballguy
I think the Jets will use a bit of RBBC this year. The additions of Ferguson and Mangold does little to improve the run blocking on the O line. My guess:
Martin: 225 carries, (if he stays healthy) 920 yards, 5 TD's.
Houston: 110 carries, 400 yards, 4 TD's
Blaylock/Washington: 45 carries, 200 yards, 2 TD's.
The Jets will continue to throw into the end zone with an O line that can't push the pile. Houston will be the short yardage RB, and may get more goal line carries. Until the Jets get some run blocking from the RT and RG, don't look for a whole lot of good numbers from the RB's.
Martin: 225 carries, (if he stays healthy) 920 yards, 5 TD's.
Houston: 110 carries, 400 yards, 4 TD's
Blaylock/Washington: 45 carries, 200 yards, 2 TD's.
The Jets will continue to throw into the end zone with an O line that can't push the pile. Houston will be the short yardage RB, and may get more goal line carries. Until the Jets get some run blocking from the RT and RG, don't look for a whole lot of good numbers from the RB's.
Reaper
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While we both agree that the Jets could use better run blockers, Ferguson is still an upgrade at LT any way you look at it run blocking and pass blocking... And Mangold is an upgrade at center given the mess of last year, I think Kendall is horrible at Center..... They have some depth as well plus a QB who, if nothing else can throw, wheras last year it was such a complete collapse that defenses only needed to stack the line and wait on the run....Overall we're pretty much agree - The question comes down to how much Gas Martin has left and at what point in a fantasy draft he becomes a Value Pick.
Red Apples
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cedric houston will be the primary rushed for the jets.
a 32 year old curtis martin has been a non-factor for what the last 3 years?
a 32 year old curtis martin has been a non-factor for what the last 3 years?
Kiddnets
Footballguy
- Curtis will be overlooked this year and put up solid #2/3 RB numbers as long as one of the QBs step up to keep the defense honest a bit. houston, Blaylock, Washington will split some carries but Martin should have one more solid season IMO. Brick and Mangold allow A Jones and Kendall to play their natural positions - the JEt OL has gone fromn a train wreck to a strength - Curtis will beneift
zamboni
Footballguy
Seriously. One should look before he leaps and makes such comments.
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Rovers
Footballguy
Mangold may not, probably won't start at center in front of Teague. He may beat out Moore at RG though, as he gets groomed to be the franchise center. Adrian Jones' natural position is LT, not RT. He is a classic LT.... fast feet, big wingspan. Kendall was horrible at center, and his return to LG will be a big improvement. Even if Teague gets hurt, Mangold could step in. To call the Jets O line a strength at this point is at least a year premature, particularly when talking about run blocking. The pass blocking will improve, but Ferguson isn't going to be some pro bowler in his first year. He'll get schooled some..... if things go well, I mean REALLY well, he could be a top 5 LT by 2008.
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My bottom line opinion is that the Jets won't put up good rushing numbers this year, whether or not Martin gets 200+ carries or not. They just don't possess the run blocking on the O line to be very good, yet. Better than last year? Yes, but only marginally. At RG, Moore is at best aveage, and can Jones bulk up enough to become a good drive blocking RT? He is a finnesse blocker, not a power blocker.... as in LT, not RT in a power man blocking scheme.
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Dr. Octopus
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Watch football much? 2005: Curtis Martin banged up, o-line banged up, QBs banged up.
2004: NFL leading rusher Curtis Martin. Non-factor?
I think even Curtis realizes he will be phased out of the offense this year. He took a paycut to remain on the roster and has openly said that he will do what he can to mentor the younger backs. He'll go into the season as the primary ball carrier with Houston in the mix and as the season wears on Houston will get more and more of the workload. All this time Derrick Blaylock will be the third down back and see occasional carries as well. RBBC, the four letter word of fantasy footballers.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Good points butMangini has stated that Magold will not be playing guard this year - he will be competing for the Center spot. From what I have read about Teague I think he will be the backup with his versatility to play any position on the line.Mangold may not, probably won't start at center in front of Teague. He may beat out Moore at RG though, as he gets groomed to be the franchise center. Adrian Jones' natural position is LT, not RT. He is a classic LT.... fast feet, big wingspan. Kendall was horrible at center, and his return to LG will be a big improvement. Even if Teague gets hurt, Mangold could step in. To call the Jets O line a strength at this point is at least a year premature, particularly when talking about run blocking. The pass blocking will improve, but Ferguson isn't going to be some pro bowler in his first year. He'll get schooled some..... if things go well, I mean REALLY well, he could be a top 5 LT by 2008.
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My bottom line opinion is that the Jets won't put up good rushing numbers this year, whether or not Martin gets 200+ carries or not. They just don't possess the run blocking on the O line to be very good, yet. Better than last year? Yes, but only marginally. At RG, Moore is at best aveage, and can Jones bulk up enough to become a good drive blocking RT? He is a finnesse blocker, not a power blocker.... as in LT, not RT in a power man blocking scheme.
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LT - big upgrade - Brick could be a top OL
Center - Big upgrade - Kendall was terrible at Center - MAngold will be solid early
Guards - Moore is unspectacular but Kendall at Guard is a very goo upgrade
RT - Even though Jones is not a big power blocker - he can't be any worse than what they had out there last year (who the heck did they have playing RT after Fabini got hurt and Jones swung to LT - can't recall)
Any way you cut it the OL has gone from possibly the worst in the league to respectable - that bodes well for Curtis.
Dr. Octopus
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old man Scott Gragg.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
1) Age
2) QB, WR, O-Line with 2 rookies
3) The Jets
All reasons why I will not have C-mart on my team!
2) QB, WR, O-Line with 2 rookies
3) The Jets
All reasons why I will not have C-mart on my team!
brednbuddah
Footballguy
Curtis Martin will be a serviceable BYE week/injury fill-in. I think it would be foolish to think he''ll carry your team as a RB#2/RB#3.
Too many things are going against him to have a "bounce-back" year.
New Coach who has no loyalties to anyone.
a crowed RB situation, RBBC likely.
GL opps, slim to none.
young inexperienced oline.
Ds will force the jets to throw (8 in the box)
RB in the twilight of his career.
I'd love to see him prove me wrong.
Too many things are going against him to have a "bounce-back" year.
New Coach who has no loyalties to anyone.
a crowed RB situation, RBBC likely.
GL opps, slim to none.
young inexperienced oline.
Ds will force the jets to throw (8 in the box)
RB in the twilight of his career.
I'd love to see him prove me wrong.
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Red Apples
Footballguy
ok i guees he was kind of a factor in 2004, man 2005 was so bad it really did leave a bad taste in my mouth.but im sure cmart will be back better than ever, he's only 32 and i wish all you guys who think he will be a solid # 2 good luck, hey while you are at it dont forget about priest holmes and marshall faulk they were also factors in 2004.YOU'VE BEEN NOTIFIED
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fruity pebbles
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I don't think 33 years old is too soon to write off a runningback.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Age +
2005 Knee surgery (albeit, not major surgery) +
uncertain QB situation +
new OL =
I won't be looking to draft CMart. That said... if he falls to me in the 5th and I need a RB, I'll take that chance. If it's between him and my #1 QB or #2 WR, I'll probably go with those instead.
2005 Knee surgery (albeit, not major surgery) +
uncertain QB situation +
new OL =
I won't be looking to draft CMart. That said... if he falls to me in the 5th and I need a RB, I'll take that chance. If it's between him and my #1 QB or #2 WR, I'll probably go with those instead.
Curtis Martin is a good value play in like the 5th or 6th.
But the best value play at RB on the Jets roster is Derrick Blaylock. For all that people devalued his performance in KC b/c of the O-line, Blaylock was signed to 5-year, $11 million deal with a $3 million signing bonus. That's not what you pay for 100 touches a year. Blaylock didn't look good when he played last year, but the same could be said for every player on the Jets offense.
I don't know if Blaylock will win the starting job, but he sure will get a shot to play a large role in the Jets offense, and he will likely be available in the last rounds of most league drafts.
But the best value play at RB on the Jets roster is Derrick Blaylock. For all that people devalued his performance in KC b/c of the O-line, Blaylock was signed to 5-year, $11 million deal with a $3 million signing bonus. That's not what you pay for 100 touches a year. Blaylock didn't look good when he played last year, but the same could be said for every player on the Jets offense.
I don't know if Blaylock will win the starting job, but he sure will get a shot to play a large role in the Jets offense, and he will likely be available in the last rounds of most league drafts.
Red Apples
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the notification? cedric houston will be the man.YOU'VE BEEN NOTIFIED
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cmart is the old man and blaylock is just a woman.
Gopher State
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I roll the dice on C-Mart in the 6 or later rounds, thats where he is a value play.
The Football Freak
Footballguy
He was able to put up 850 total yards and 5 TD's in 12 games with a nagging knee injury that was fixed. I also saw on Total Access that he is running stairs again, not something you would do if your knee was still hurt. The o-line has improved, the QB situation, while not stellar, has improved. 1100-1200 total and 8-9 TDs is not out of the question at all, very nice value for a player that can and will be taken in the 5th or later. His game is not about speed, it's about patience and toughness, and I think he will have one or two more decent seasons before all the injuries catch up and he calls it quits.
Red Apples
Footballguy
you know who'd be a nice fit in new york?
travis henry.
travis henry.
Red Apples
Footballguy
why... did i miss one?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I like Martin as much as the next guy, but I have to say that history is not on his side.You are projecting Martin at 192 fantasy points for the season as a 33 year old. Only one 33 year old RB has scored that many points at that age--John Riggins at 34 (and he did it at 35 as well). Riggins had the benefit of 24 TD--something I highly doubt we will see from Martin this year.1200 yds 7 Tds
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41-245yds 1Td
And can be had in the 5th round, I'll take a mans man like Cmart over a little nancy girl like KJ and the overrated McGahee any day of the week, and I'll do so several rounds later.
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Maybe Martin's conditioning puts him in a different category, but I'm not sure I would want to have to rely on Martin as one of my key scorers on a fantasy team. If you can get him and hope he pans out and your team has other reliable options, then maybe, but to hand him your RB2 job and have no Plan B is too risky IMO.
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