Cutler, how come no love? (1 Viewer)

[johnnybronco]

first rookie QB besides Marino to start his career with 4 straight multiple TD games.

he's been looking better and better every week and they kind of let the reigns loose this week on him allowing to throw a lot of deep balls. obviously i'm biased being a Broncos fan, but this kid is doing pretty good. He has a respectable 89.8 QB rating as well. That's only behind Manning, Garcia/Mcnabb, Brees, Palmer, Romo, Bulger, and Rivers as starters. 8th in the league isn't bad for a guy in his first 4 starts.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Should we erect the bust in Canton now or wait a season or two to see what he does?

It's fun cause you're a Broncos fan but the kid looks pretty green, he's done OK against Arizona and a defenseless Cinci team that botched an extra point. Do you seriously think you have a chance to win even 1 road game in the playoffs with a pure rookie under center?

 

[Workhorse]

Should we erect the bust in Canton now or wait a season or two to see what he does? It's fun cause you're a Broncos fan but the kid looks pretty green, he's done OK against Arizona and a defenseless Cinci team that botched an extra point. Do you seriously think you have a chance to win even 1 road game in the playoffs with a pure rookie under center?

As a Pats fan looking at the potential 1st round matchups, I'd MUCH rather see Cutler coming to Gillette than Pennington or Palmer.

 

[Tubalcane]

Should we erect the bust in Canton now or wait a season or two to see what he does? It's fun cause you're a Broncos fan but the kid looks pretty green, he's done OK against Arizona and a defenseless Cinci team that botched an extra point. Do you seriously think you have a chance to win even 1 road game in the playoffs with a pure rookie under center?

Here's an interesting stat for you: No rookie QB has ever started in the Super Bowl. Cutler won't either. As a Bronco fan I have to put my homerism aside and realize that stat I just quoted will stand forever. I don't expect them to get there this year. What I like, however, is that Cutler will get a chance to get some invaluable playoff experience providing they beat the Niners. It's a building process, and it looks like the Broncos are laying a solid foundation. Cutler can only benefit from playing in the playoffs. Unless somebody breaks him like Palmer last year.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Should we erect the bust in Canton now or wait a season or two to see what he does?

Hmmm, did anyone say that he should be in the Hall of Fame? Nope. I think the thread starter was merely saying that Cutler should be getting more props for playing as well as he has over the first month of his playing career.

It's fun cause you're a Broncos fan but the kid looks pretty green, he's done OK against Arizona and a defenseless Cinci team that botched an extra point. Do you seriously think you have a chance to win even 1 road game in the playoffs with a pure rookie under center?

Of course, he looks green, but he has played better than Plummer had all season. Will the Broncos win a road game in the playoffs with Cutler? It will be tough, but they have more of a chance with Cutler than they would have with Plummer, IMO.

Here's an interesting stat for you: No rookie QB has ever started in the Super Bowl. Cutler won't either. As a Bronco fan I have to put my homerism aside and realize that stat I just quoted will stand forever. I don't expect them to get there this year. What I like, however, is that Cutler will get a chance to get some invaluable playoff experience providing they beat the Niners. It's a building process, and it looks like the Broncos are laying a solid foundation. Cutler can only benefit from playing in the playoffs. Unless somebody breaks him like Palmer last year.

The Broncos weren't going anywhere with Plummer this season. Shanny knew it. Most Broncos fans knew it. By putting Cutler in, if they make the first round and lose, they will have achieved the same thing they would have with Plummer in there, but like you said, Cutler will have gotten some valuable experience, and that can only help him next season.

 

[johnnybronco]

geez, the posters are just so cynical on this board now, they don't even read the post before replying. The mentality on here is just to shred a post as fast as possible.

Did I say that Cutler was going to the Superbowl? Did I say he was going to win the Superbowl? Did I say he was going to win a playoff game on the road? Did I say he was a Hall of Famer?

All I said is that he looks pretty good and not many people are giving him that much credit. However, when Vince Young runs the ball 40 yards and scores but has a 60 pts passer rating, you guys are ready to rename Canton as Vince Young's Town. Same goes with Leinart. My point was just that he looks good, nothing else.

You guys who started the Superbowl talk are complete morons. Even as a Bronco fan, I don't think he's even close to that. Could he go to NE and win there, yeah I think he could. More to do with the Broncos having the Patriots number the last few years than Cutler.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I think too many are letting their hatred or great disliking for Mike Shanahan (whom they probably dislike a lot because of the way he handles his RB's, thus messing with their fantasy football success) get in the way here.

 

[BoltzNBrew]

As much as I dislike the Broncos I have to admit this kid has a great deep ball.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Cutler's been doing well, but he's like the 7th or 8th most fascinating QB story this season.

 

[thesurfshop19]

Even as a Broncos fan, I have to agree with most others in this thread.

Based on 4 games with a 2-2 record, that's not enough to justify the same amount of regard that Vince Young gets for 6 straight wins to put a formerly 0-5 team in actual playoff contention.

Cutler looks great and has a great shot to play in the playoffs this season ... if he can win in NE (obviously the Broncos won't win in Indy ) I guarantee he'll get the love.

No need to rush things for the kid. Let's keep him humble!

 

[LBH]

geez, the posters are just so cynical on this board now, they don't even read the post before replying. The mentality on here is just to shred a post as fast as possible.Did I say that Cutler was going to the Superbowl? Did I say he was going to win the Superbowl? Did I say he was going to win a playoff game on the road? Did I say he was a Hall of Famer?All I said is that he looks pretty good and not many people are giving him that much credit. However, when Vince Young runs the ball 40 yards and scores but has a 60 pts passer rating, you guys are ready to rename Canton as Vince Young's Town. Same goes with Leinart. My point was just that he looks good, nothing else. You guys who started the Superbowl talk are complete morons. Even as a Bronco fan, I don't think he's even close to that. Could he go to NE and win there, yeah I think he could. More to do with the Broncos having the Patriots number the last few years than Cutler.

I agree with you. You have to like the way he is looking with not a lot of exp. The fact that he should have a decent running game and a couple of young WR's around for a while makes him really valuable from a fantasy keeper perspective. Like the way B.Marshall looks, he could be a sleeper next year too. Bronco fans should be happy, he's definitely a big upgrade over Plummer.

 

[shredhead]

Should we erect the bust in Canton now or wait a season or two to see what he does? It's fun cause you're a Broncos fan but the kid looks pretty green, he's done OK against Arizona and a defenseless Cinci team that botched an extra point. Do you seriously think you have a chance to win even 1 road game in the playoffs with a pure rookie under center?

As I told you in the thread last week MoP, Yes they have a chance to win a road game in the playoffs with Cutler. It is a longshot (as I said in that post) but it is not out of the realm of possibility. And no, I am not smoking anything. MoP, I am dissappointed in you. I can give you a lot of credit for my fantasy championship because of your off season and pre season knowledge that you shared on this board (and your weekly runningback threads). I read and used a ton of the information that you were so kind to share. I thank you for that. Lately however, your posts have just seemed to be ripping on people for their information. Maybe it is just that you don't like the Broncos or maybe you are just fed up with a lot of the idiocracy on this board. I can certainley understand that if it is indeed the case. But please take a step back and realize that not all are as informed as you when it comes to NFL information and try to get back to the helpful posts that you had in the off season and early season. Sorry for the rant, but you are one of the posters in this forum that i enjoy reading so I thought I'd point this out to you. Here's to you MoP

 

[Rovers]

I've been a member of the "Cutler Cult" for some time now.... I still think he will be the best of last years draft for many years to come. I just about cried when the Jets didn't draft him. I like what I've seen so far.... sure, he'll make mistakes, but I think over time he could be one of the great ones. He's mobile, and has an absolute cannon for an arm. He throws too hard, in fact. Getting beat up at Vandy prepared him for the NFL. I wish he were a Jet.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

geez, the posters are just so cynical on this board now, they don't even read the post before replying. The mentality on here is just to shred a post as fast as possible.Did I say that Cutler was going to the Superbowl? Did I say he was going to win the Superbowl? Did I say he was going to win a playoff game on the road? Did I say he was a Hall of Famer?All I said is that he looks pretty good and not many people are giving him that much credit. However, when Vince Young runs the ball 40 yards and scores but has a 60 pts passer rating, you guys are ready to rename Canton as Vince Young's Town. Same goes with Leinart. My point was just that he looks good, nothing else. You guys who started the Superbowl talk are complete morons. Even as a Bronco fan, I don't think he's even close to that. Could he go to NE and win there, yeah I think he could. More to do with the Broncos having the Patriots number the last few years than Cutler.

I would like you to read what I wrote out loud and in a normal voice tone. One of the things people do is take what someone writes and they have a voice inside their heads...we all do it. If the viewpoint is not agreeing with your viewpoint than that voice in your head tends to sound sarcastic and very cynical, probably a decibel or 2 or 3 louder than I would have said it. I was having a little fun and asking if we should erect Cutler's bust in the HoF now. It was just a joke but I understand how you took it. I feel Denver should have sat him down all year. I think playing on the road in the playoffs as a rookie, could be damaging long term to Cutler...many on here will think not but I don't think it will help him at all. He will look like a deer in headlights if he has to march into Foxboro for the opening round. Or worse he might end up in Indy at this point. If Denver gets blown out in a playoff game he will learn almost nothing...and I think it could be a detriment to his long term growth.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Should we erect the bust in Canton now or wait a season or two to see what he does? It's fun cause you're a Broncos fan but the kid looks pretty green, he's done OK against Arizona and a defenseless Cinci team that botched an extra point. Do you seriously think you have a chance to win even 1 road game in the playoffs with a pure rookie under center?

As I told you in the thread last week MoP, Yes they have a chance to win a road game in the playoffs with Cutler. It is a longshot (as I said in that post) but it is not out of the realm of possibility. And no, I am not smoking anything. MoP, I am dissappointed in you. I can give you a lot of credit for my fantasy championship because of your off season and pre season knowledge that you shared on this board (and your weekly runningback threads). I read and used a ton of the information that you were so kind to share. I thank you for that. Lately however, your posts have just seemed to be ripping on people for their information. Maybe it is just that you don't like the Broncos or maybe you are just fed up with a lot of the idiocracy on this board. I can certainley understand that if it is indeed the case. But please take a step back and realize that not all are as informed as you when it comes to NFL information and try to get back to the helpful posts that you had in the off season and early season. Sorry for the rant, but you are one of the posters in this forum that i enjoy reading so I thought I'd point this out to you. Here's to you MoP

Thanks I think. I am a bit of a cynic lately. I have cut way down on my posting because of the fact I haven't had a lot of nice things to say to a lot of the thread posters so I just skip a lot of them. I wasn't trying to squash anyone, but anytime a rookie does anything, we get the "Why no love" for such and such. How bout why there is not more love for the LT from San Diego, McNeil? Is it a coincidence that LT has broken all these records this season and this guy has blown open 4x4 wide holes, allowed few sacks, and IIRC has not had a holding call all season...HELLO! Now there is a Rookie we should sink our teeth into. I understand Cutler plays a more visible role. I have him on a dynasty league and would love to see him do well so I can send Peyton on his merry way while he still valuable...but the fact is Cutler is a rookie, and Denver will have a tough time next season winning 10 games with Cutler under center. Unless they get a bonafide stud at RB, maybe they will.

 

[Rovers]

Denver will have a tough time winning ten games because of Cutler next year? I beg to differ.... if they win ten games it will be BECAUSE of Cutler being under center. He's exceptionally smart, has the arm, but most importantly, IMO, has the make up to be an NFL QB.... the leadership and fearlessness they have to have. This kid throws a pick, and it doesn't even faze him. 4 starts, and a couple of TD passes in each game.

Based on that, why in the world would one discount Denver going into next year? makes no sense to me at all.

 

[lod2005]

The TD pass to Scheffler was amazing. The DB actually thought he was taking it too the house and the ball was going so fast he flat out whiffed on it and he was left wondering how it got through his hands untouched. He is why I picked Marshall. I would have taken Cutler all day had he fallen to that spot where i picked Marshall.

 

[LBH]

Denver will have a tough time winning ten games because of Cutler next year? I beg to differ.... if they win ten games it will be BECAUSE of Cutler being under center. He's exceptionally smart, has the arm, but most importantly, IMO, has the make up to be an NFL QB.... the leadership and fearlessness they have to have. This kid throws a pick, and it doesn't even faze him. 4 starts, and a couple of TD passes in each game. Based on that, why in the world would one discount Denver going into next year? makes no sense to me at all.

I agree, Cutler looks good to me. He's got a ton of upside in that offense

 

[Ghost Rider]

I feel Denver should have sat him down all year. I think playing on the road in the playoffs as a rookie, could be damaging long term to Cutler...many on here will think not but I don't think it will help him at all. He will look like a deer in headlights if he has to march into Foxboro for the opening round. Or worse he might end up in Indy at this point. If Denver gets blown out in a playoff game he will learn almost nothing...and I think it could be a detriment to his long term growth.

Kind of like how the buttkicking Roethlisberger, as a rookie, and the Steelers took in the AFC title game two years ago was a detriment to his? Oh, and how did he rebound from that the following year?

 

[Biabreakable]

Cutler is playing better than Plummer was so he gives the Donkeys the best chance to win.

I think he is getting plently of respect. Just look at his current dynasty ranking in the polls.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I feel Denver should have sat him down all year. I think playing on the road in the playoffs as a rookie, could be damaging long term to Cutler...many on here will think not but I don't think it will help him at all. He will look like a deer in headlights if he has to march into Foxboro for the opening round. Or worse he might end up in Indy at this point. If Denver gets blown out in a playoff game he will learn almost nothing...and I think it could be a detriment to his long term growth.

Kind of like how the buttkicking Roethlisberger, as a rookie, and the Steelers took in the AFC title game two years ago was a detriment to his? Oh, and how did he rebound from that the following year?

Was 7-5 and going nowhere quick, then a defense carried Steeltown to a title. I guess you think Big Ben won it all on his own right? I don't think he did much more in that SB than Trent Dilfer did with the Ravens. You can see how great ben has been this season too, right?

 

[Gr00vus]

Cutler's going to be a good one. With him Walker, Marshall and Scheffler in town the Denver passing game is going to be a problem for years to come. I just hope they don't find themselves another Terrel Davis anytime soon, because they're going to be a handful next year regardless.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Cutler's going to be a good one. With him Walker, Marshall and Scheffler in town the Denver passing game is going to be a problem for years to come. I just hope they don't find themselves another Terrel Davis anytime soon, because they're going to be a handful next year regardless.

Hey Groovus, what would Rivers/San Diego be like if they had a Walker and a Marshall at the WR positions?

 

[Banger]

Cutler's going to be a good one. With him Walker, Marshall and Scheffler in town the Denver passing game is going to be a problem for years to come. I just hope they don't find themselves another Terrel Davis anytime soon, because they're going to be a handful next year regardless.

seriously. If they can get a good RB to keep teams honest they can be down right scary with Cutler's play action ability/big time arm combined with Walker's ability to get behind the defense. 2 40+ yard bombs in the last 2 games. I'm REALLY liking Walker A LOT next year.

 

[broncofan13000]

geez, the posters are just so cynical on this board now, they don't even read the post before replying. The mentality on here is just to shred a post as fast as possible.Did I say that Cutler was going to the Superbowl? Did I say he was going to win the Superbowl? Did I say he was going to win a playoff game on the road? Did I say he was a Hall of Famer?All I said is that he looks pretty good and not many people are giving him that much credit. However, when Vince Young runs the ball 40 yards and scores but has a 60 pts passer rating, you guys are ready to rename Canton as Vince Young's Town. Same goes with Leinart. My point was just that he looks good, nothing else. You guys who started the Superbowl talk are complete morons. Even as a Bronco fan, I don't think he's even close to that. Could he go to NE and win there, yeah I think he could. More to do with the Broncos having the Patriots number the last few years than Cutler.

 

[Gr00vus]

Cutler's going to be a good one. With him Walker, Marshall and Scheffler in town the Denver passing game is going to be a problem for years to come. I just hope they don't find themselves another Terrel Davis anytime soon, because they're going to be a handful next year regardless.

Hey Groovus, what would Rivers/San Diego be like if they had a Walker and a Marshall at the WR positions?

13-2 I kid. The Chargers have their own Marshall in Vincent Jackson, but Walker would be a definite upgrade over Eric Parker. I don't know how much more room for improvement overall there is for the Chargers' offense without Rivers picking his game up a couple of notches. The past few weeks his poor play and at points shoddy play on the offensive line in pass protection have stymied the Charger offense. So it's tough to say how much a Walker upgrade would improve them right now. I'd guess maybe an additional 20 to 50 passing yards and distributed at least partially as an uptick in Gates's production?Anyway, back to Cutler....

 

[shredhead]

Thanks I think.

No problem, it was meant as a compliment (with just a tad bit of criticism to help keep focus LOL) I agree too many people here are begging for love for the flavor of the week player etc. It does get old and I totally understand your feelings about it. I only got involved in this thread because I am in a second championship in week 17 and have been running with Cutler at the helm through the playoffs.

 

[parasaurolophus]

I feel Denver should have sat him down all year. I think playing on the road in the playoffs as a rookie, could be damaging long term to Cutler...many on here will think not but I don't think it will help him at all. He will look like a deer in headlights if he has to march into Foxboro for the opening round. Or worse he might end up in Indy at this point. If Denver gets blown out in a playoff game he will learn almost nothing...and I think it could be a detriment to his long term growth.

Kind of like how the buttkicking Roethlisberger, as a rookie, and the Steelers took in the AFC title game two years ago was a detriment to his? Oh, and how did he rebound from that the following year?

Was 7-5 and going nowhere quick, then a defense carried Steeltown to a title. I guess you think Big Ben won it all on his own right? I don't think he did much more in that SB than Trent Dilfer did with the Ravens. You can see how great ben has been this season too, right?

People are so quick to take credit away from big ben because he played so horrible in the SB. Without him, they dont make the SB. Not even close. He had three great games and made the absolute season saving tackle after bettis nearly fumbled it away. So i guess maybe you could say they rode great defense to the SB. That defense was played by Big Ben.

 

[greenroom]

Should we erect the bust in Canton now or wait a season or two to see what he does? It's fun cause you're a Broncos fan but the kid looks pretty green, he's done OK against Arizona and a defenseless Cinci team that botched an extra point. Do you seriously think you have a chance to win even 1 road game in the playoffs with a pure rookie under center?

As a Pats fan looking at the potential 1st round matchups, I'd MUCH rather see Cutler coming to Gillette than Pennington or Palmer.

I actually think the Pats would rather face the Jets or Cincy than the Broncos. Lets face it Denver already went into NE and won this year with Jake Plummer. And even thou Cutler is a rookie, he is playing better than Jake did. Plus the problem with the Pats is that Denver always seems to get into Brady's head. Do I expect Denver to win in NE in the playoffs. NO, but I do think they would have a better chance than if they have to face INDY in the wild card.

 

[moleculo]

I feel Denver should have sat him down all year. I think playing on the road in the playoffs as a rookie, could be damaging long term to Cutler...many on here will think not but I don't think it will help him at all. He will look like a deer in headlights if he has to march into Foxboro for the opening round. Or worse he might end up in Indy at this point. If Denver gets blown out in a playoff game he will learn almost nothing...and I think it could be a detriment to his long term growth.

Kind of like how the buttkicking Roethlisberger, as a rookie, and the Steelers took in the AFC title game two years ago was a detriment to his? Oh, and how did he rebound from that the following year?

Was 7-5 and going nowhere quick, then a defense carried Steeltown to a title. I guess you think Big Ben won it all on his own right? I don't think he did much more in that SB than Trent Dilfer did with the Ravens. You can see how great ben has been this season too, right?

Do you think the strength of the Broncos is in the QB position?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I feel Denver should have sat him down all year. I think playing on the road in the playoffs as a rookie, could be damaging long term to Cutler...many on here will think not but I don't think it will help him at all. He will look like a deer in headlights if he has to march into Foxboro for the opening round. Or worse he might end up in Indy at this point. If Denver gets blown out in a playoff game he will learn almost nothing...and I think it could be a detriment to his long term growth.

Kind of like how the buttkicking Roethlisberger, as a rookie, and the Steelers took in the AFC title game two years ago was a detriment to his? Oh, and how did he rebound from that the following year?

Was 7-5 and going nowhere quick, then a defense carried Steeltown to a title. I guess you think Big Ben won it all on his own right? I don't think he did much more in that SB than Trent Dilfer did with the Ravens. You can see how great ben has been this season too, right?

Do you think the strength of the Broncos is in the QB position?

Excellent question! I definitely do not think Denver has a lot of strength at QB right now. Cutler has so much to learn a the position. Their backfield is terrible and I expect an entire new look back there next season. Other than Walker I would say the specialty positions are very average at the moment although the future seems bright for Marshall and Scheffler.Denver's strength till recent weeks was the great play of their interior DL, a trio of quick hitting LB and an aging Safety in Lynch that can still play a hybrid 4th LB of sorts to shut down the run. Next year I do not expect Denver to be as good as they were in the 1st 6-8 games of the season this year on defense. I think they will have a new look on offense that will take time to gel...I can't see them being an elite team for at least a couple of seasons. Those that think otherwise to me are probably Broncosfans or Cutler owners. I happen to be one of those owners too but reality is they have a long way to go.

 

[moleculo]

I feel Denver should have sat him down all year. I think playing on the road in the playoffs as a rookie, could be damaging long term to Cutler...many on here will think not but I don't think it will help him at all. He will look like a deer in headlights if he has to march into Foxboro for the opening round. Or worse he might end up in Indy at this point. If Denver gets blown out in a playoff game he will learn almost nothing...and I think it could be a detriment to his long term growth.

Kind of like how the buttkicking Roethlisberger, as a rookie, and the Steelers took in the AFC title game two years ago was a detriment to his? Oh, and how did he rebound from that the following year?

Was 7-5 and going nowhere quick, then a defense carried Steeltown to a title. I guess you think Big Ben won it all on his own right? I don't think he did much more in that SB than Trent Dilfer did with the Ravens. You can see how great ben has been this season too, right?

Do you think the strength of the Broncos is in the QB position?

Excellent question! I definitely do not think Denver has a lot of strength at QB right now. Cutler has so much to learn a the position. Their backfield is terrible and I expect an entire new look back there next season. Other than Walker I would say the specialty positions are very average at the moment although the future seems bright for Marshall and Scheffler.Denver's strength till recent weeks was the great play of their interior DL, a trio of quick hitting LB and an aging Safety in Lynch that can still play a hybrid 4th LB of sorts to shut down the run.

Next year I do not expect Denver to be as good as they were in the 1st 6-8 games of the season this year on defense. I think they will have a new look on offense that will take time to gel...I can't see them being an elite team for at least a couple of seasons. Those that think otherwise to me are probably Broncosfans or Cutler owners. I happen to be one of those owners too but reality is they have a long way to go.

I guess my point is that the Steelers and the Ravens teams you referenced above - the strength of those teams was a solid D and an above average running game. Guess what? That happens to be Denvers strength as well, although I will readily admit that neither the D nor the running game has been enough to keep me excited. If Coyer can get his head out of his ### and if the running game can find some rhythm, and here's the biggie: if denver can find a way not to start so many drives inside the 20, all of a sudden this team is dangerous again - dangerous enough to beat NE , BAL, SD, and anything else you want to throw at them. The QB position is not the difference maker on this team, and Denvers sucess this week and beyond will depend on alot more than Cutler's performance.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I feel Denver should have sat him down all year. I think playing on the road in the playoffs as a rookie, could be damaging long term to Cutler...many on here will think not but I don't think it will help him at all. He will look like a deer in headlights if he has to march into Foxboro for the opening round. Or worse he might end up in Indy at this point. If Denver gets blown out in a playoff game he will learn almost nothing...and I think it could be a detriment to his long term growth.

Kind of like how the buttkicking Roethlisberger, as a rookie, and the Steelers took in the AFC title game two years ago was a detriment to his? Oh, and how did he rebound from that the following year?

Was 7-5 and going nowhere quick, then a defense carried Steeltown to a title. I guess you think Big Ben won it all on his own right? I don't think he did much more in that SB than Trent Dilfer did with the Ravens. You can see how great ben has been this season too, right?

Did I say Ben won it all on his own? Nope. Did you not see the Steelers three AFC playoff games last season? If not, you obviously missed seeing how awesome Roethlisberger played, especially in the title game over Denver.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I feel Denver should have sat him down all year. I think playing on the road in the playoffs as a rookie, could be damaging long term to Cutler...many on here will think not but I don't think it will help him at all. He will look like a deer in headlights if he has to march into Foxboro for the opening round. Or worse he might end up in Indy at this point. If Denver gets blown out in a playoff game he will learn almost nothing...and I think it could be a detriment to his long term growth.

Kind of like how the buttkicking Roethlisberger, as a rookie, and the Steelers took in the AFC title game two years ago was a detriment to his? Oh, and how did he rebound from that the following year?

Was 7-5 and going nowhere quick, then a defense carried Steeltown to a title. I guess you think Big Ben won it all on his own right? I don't think he did much more in that SB than Trent Dilfer did with the Ravens. You can see how great ben has been this season too, right?

Did I say Ben won it all on his own? Nope. Did you not see the Steelers three AFC playoff games last season? If not, you obviously missed seeing how awesome Roethlisberger played, especially in the title game over Denver.

The Steelers were one of the 5 worst teams to ever win a SB...ever. They beat the Colts who fold inthe playoffs every year and beat a Denver team that was average at best. Seattle was not a world beater either. In the era of mediocrity they won a SB, yippee! The SB and the NFL has been watered down a lot. I know FF gurus will bark at this but try and seperate FF from the actual NFL. It is a very average league. The pats were ablt to build a dynasty but no one ever talks about them being able to beat any of the other real dynasty teams...Miami in the early 70s, Pittsburgh '74, '75, '78, '79, San Fran in the 80s, Dallas in the 90s, sprinkle in teams like Washington that won 3 SB spread out Denver and their 2 SB, it's just a very average league in general. If your opinion differs so be it.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I feel Denver should have sat him down all year. I think playing on the road in the playoffs as a rookie, could be damaging long term to Cutler...many on here will think not but I don't think it will help him at all. He will look like a deer in headlights if he has to march into Foxboro for the opening round. Or worse he might end up in Indy at this point. If Denver gets blown out in a playoff game he will learn almost nothing...and I think it could be a detriment to his long term growth.

Kind of like how the buttkicking Roethlisberger, as a rookie, and the Steelers took in the AFC title game two years ago was a detriment to his? Oh, and how did he rebound from that the following year?

Was 7-5 and going nowhere quick, then a defense carried Steeltown to a title. I guess you think Big Ben won it all on his own right? I don't think he did much more in that SB than Trent Dilfer did with the Ravens. You can see how great ben has been this season too, right?

Do you think the strength of the Broncos is in the QB position?

Excellent question! I definitely do not think Denver has a lot of strength at QB right now. Cutler has so much to learn a the position. Their backfield is terrible and I expect an entire new look back there next season. Other than Walker I would say the specialty positions are very average at the moment although the future seems bright for Marshall and Scheffler.Denver's strength till recent weeks was the great play of their interior DL, a trio of quick hitting LB and an aging Safety in Lynch that can still play a hybrid 4th LB of sorts to shut down the run.

Next year I do not expect Denver to be as good as they were in the 1st 6-8 games of the season this year on defense. I think they will have a new look on offense that will take time to gel...I can't see them being an elite team for at least a couple of seasons. Those that think otherwise to me are probably Broncosfans or Cutler owners. I happen to be one of those owners too but reality is they have a long way to go.

I guess my point is that the Steelers and the Ravens teams you referenced above - the strength of those teams was a solid D and an above average running game. Guess what? That happens to be Denvers strength as well, although I will readily admit that neither the D nor the running game has been enough to keep me excited. If Coyer can get his head out of his ### and if the running game can find some rhythm, and here's the biggie: if denver can find a way not to start so many drives inside the 20, all of a sudden this team is dangerous again - dangerous enough to beat NE , BAL, SD, and anything else you want to throw at them. The QB position is not the difference maker on this team, and Denvers sucess this week and beyond will depend on alot more than Cutler's performance.

1. Denver's defense is not anywhere close to the Ravens or Steelers you are making a reference to.2. Can you talk about this great running game of Denver? I don't see Mike Bell or Tatum bell in the mix there next season and to me that means their running game is not that great. That's just my opinion though.

 

[Banger]

I feel Denver should have sat him down all year. I think playing on the road in the playoffs as a rookie, could be damaging long term to Cutler...many on here will think not but I don't think it will help him at all. He will look like a deer in headlights if he has to march into Foxboro for the opening round. Or worse he might end up in Indy at this point. If Denver gets blown out in a playoff game he will learn almost nothing...and I think it could be a detriment to his long term growth.

Kind of like how the buttkicking Roethlisberger, as a rookie, and the Steelers took in the AFC title game two years ago was a detriment to his? Oh, and how did he rebound from that the following year?

Was 7-5 and going nowhere quick, then a defense carried Steeltown to a title. I guess you think Big Ben won it all on his own right? I don't think he did much more in that SB than Trent Dilfer did with the Ravens. You can see how great ben has been this season too, right?

Do you think the strength of the Broncos is in the QB position?

Excellent question! I definitely do not think Denver has a lot of strength at QB right now. Cutler has so much to learn a the position. Their backfield is terrible and I expect an entire new look back there next season. Other than Walker I would say the specialty positions are very average at the moment although the future seems bright for Marshall and Scheffler.Denver's strength till recent weeks was the great play of their interior DL, a trio of quick hitting LB and an aging Safety in Lynch that can still play a hybrid 4th LB of sorts to shut down the run.

Next year I do not expect Denver to be as good as they were in the 1st 6-8 games of the season this year on defense. I think they will have a new look on offense that will take time to gel...I can't see them being an elite team for at least a couple of seasons. Those that think otherwise to me are probably Broncosfans or Cutler owners. I happen to be one of those owners too but reality is they have a long way to go.

I guess my point is that the Steelers and the Ravens teams you referenced above - the strength of those teams was a solid D and an above average running game. Guess what? That happens to be Denvers strength as well, although I will readily admit that neither the D nor the running game has been enough to keep me excited. If Coyer can get his head out of his ### and if the running game can find some rhythm, and here's the biggie: if denver can find a way not to start so many drives inside the 20, all of a sudden this team is dangerous again - dangerous enough to beat NE , BAL, SD, and anything else you want to throw at them. The QB position is not the difference maker on this team, and Denvers sucess this week and beyond will depend on alot more than Cutler's performance.

1. Denver's defense is not anywhere close to the Ravens or Steelers you are making a reference to.2. Can you talk about this great running game of Denver? I don't see Mike Bell or Tatum bell in the mix there next season and to me that means their running game is not that great. That's just my opinion though.

It's true that there RB's are not great but they have a great scheme and if they address the position (which I'm sure they will) I see no reason why it can't return to one of the top units in the league.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

1. Denver's defense is not anywhere close to the Ravens or Steelers you are making a reference to.2. Can you talk about this great running game of Denver? I don't see Mike Bell or Tatum bell in the mix there next season and to me that means their running game is not that great. That's just my opinion though.

It's true that there RB's are not great but they have a great scheme and if they address the position (which I'm sure they will) I see no reason why it can't return to one of the top units in the league.

Completely agree with that. But they also have some developing holes in the secondary. Lynch has been playing since 1993..this may be it for him. The DL is not making progress, they are taking steps back. Look at the team that won back to back SB...same head coach so the system is pretty similar...I don't have all the answers here but I think they are missing more than just a piece or two.

 

[Banger]

1. Denver's defense is not anywhere close to the Ravens or Steelers you are making a reference to.2. Can you talk about this great running game of Denver? I don't see Mike Bell or Tatum bell in the mix there next season and to me that means their running game is not that great. That's just my opinion though.

It's true that there RB's are not great but they have a great scheme and if they address the position (which I'm sure they will) I see no reason why it can't return to one of the top units in the league.

Completely agree with that. But they also have some developing holes in the secondary. Lynch has been playing since 1993..this may be it for him. The DL is not making progress, they are taking steps back. Look at the team that won back to back SB...same head coach so the system is pretty similar...I don't have all the answers here but I think they are missing more than just a piece or two.

I agree that they may have problems on defense (others would know more than me) but I just disagreed that their running game was somehow lost or on the decline. Even this year, with no set RB, Tatum's toe, etc., they are 6th in rush yards/9th in ypc. If they even get a decent RB that they can plug in there for 20 carries/game they will be top 5, probably top 2.Realistically though if you're a Cutler owner you'd want the defense to decline so Shanny can't just grind the ball and sit on a 10-3 lead.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I feel Denver should have sat him down all year. I think playing on the road in the playoffs as a rookie, could be damaging long term to Cutler...many on here will think not but I don't think it will help him at all. He will look like a deer in headlights if he has to march into Foxboro for the opening round. Or worse he might end up in Indy at this point. If Denver gets blown out in a playoff game he will learn almost nothing...and I think it could be a detriment to his long term growth.

Kind of like how the buttkicking Roethlisberger, as a rookie, and the Steelers took in the AFC title game two years ago was a detriment to his? Oh, and how did he rebound from that the following year?

Was 7-5 and going nowhere quick, then a defense carried Steeltown to a title. I guess you think Big Ben won it all on his own right? I don't think he did much more in that SB than Trent Dilfer did with the Ravens. You can see how great ben has been this season too, right?

Did I say Ben won it all on his own? Nope. Did you not see the Steelers three AFC playoff games last season? If not, you obviously missed seeing how awesome Roethlisberger played, especially in the title game over Denver.

The Steelers were one of the 5 worst teams to ever win a SB...ever. They beat the Colts who fold inthe playoffs every year and beat a Denver team that was average at best. Seattle was not a world beater either. In the era of mediocrity they won a SB, yippee! The SB and the NFL has been watered down a lot. I know FF gurus will bark at this but try and seperate FF from the actual NFL. It is a very average league. The pats were ablt to build a dynasty but no one ever talks about them being able to beat any of the other real dynasty teams...Miami in the early 70s, Pittsburgh '74, '75, '78, '79, San Fran in the 80s, Dallas in the 90s, sprinkle in teams like Washington that won 3 SB spread out Denver and their 2 SB, it's just a very average league in general. If your opinion differs so be it.

That is all fine and dandy, but how did we go from you saying Roethlisberger is no better than Trent Dilfer to you talking about Pittsburgh was a weak SB champion? I am still curious if you saw how well Roethlisberger played in the AFC playoffs last year.

 

[Rovers]

Thought this old thread was interesting enuff to bump tonight.... and I'm still on the Cutler bandwagon.

 

[towney]

Cutler 2 Td's and 279yds in the 3rd w/o Marshall.

 

[Manster]

started him with confidence tonite!

 

[Largent]

started him....he looks very very very solid out there.....physical tools - check.....composure, check......command and respect of his team.....CHECK

 

[Burning Sensation]

Is Cutler a top 5 dynasty QB? I think he might be. He may also be a top 5 QB this year.

 

[Largent]

Is Cutler a top 5 dynasty QB? I think he might be. He may also be a top 5 QB this year.

why not....this year perticularily....right now it's Manning, Brees, Romo....not sure i'd take any of them for the price given Cut's performance from game 1 preseaon til now.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Cutler looks great. I am ecstatic that I have him in all three leagues I am in this year.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Is Cutler a top 5 dynasty QB? I think he might be. He may also be a top 5 QB this year.

why not....this year perticularily....right now it's Manning, Brees, Romo....not sure i'd take any of them for the price given Cut's performance from game 1 preseaon til now.

Maybe Big Ben, but even he is doubtful with the lack of passing going on on Pittsburgh.300 yards and 2 TD's tonight against what is supposed to be a good pass D in the Raiders, and without Marshall.

 

[CHEF]

I'm drinking the Cutler Kool Aid.

Was happy to draft him in the 6th round as my starter. He is going to blow up this season.

 

[sterjs]

Maybe Big Ben, but even he is doubtful with the lack of passing going on on Pittsburgh.300 yards and 2 TD's tonight against what is supposed to be a good pass D in the Raiders, and without Marshall.

A lot of people assume the Raiders have a good pass D because of their corners, but in actuality they were just average last year.

 

[Banger]

I loved Cutler all off-season and targetted him in every draft. He's got everything in his favor...tremendous skills, mobile, smart, gunslinger, good supporting cast, terrible defense, declining run game...He's in for a MONSTER year.