Cutler's Turn on the HOT Seat! (1 Viewer)

[Rovers]

I am an admittedly unabashed Cutler lover. I think my Jets will regret passing on him for many, many years to come. So, with my admitted bias, I think Cutler will be the starter in Denver in 2007. IF he were to start this year, I think his numbers would look something like this:

2700 yards

22 passing TD's

2 rushing TD's

15 INT's

While I am also one of those that think ALL rookie QB's are best left on the bench for a year, I also don't think he'd crash and burn if he started in 2006. Similar to Rothlesberger's rookie year, he lands on a playoff caliber team. Not many highly touted rooks get that luxury. He is a PERFECT fit for Denver's zone blocking scheme. He has the arm, and the mobility to roll out, throw on the run, and can run the reverse roll out that Denver likes, which can be a very big play type of play call.

So, since the hairy scottsman didn't like Young being put on the hot seat, let's even it up, and add Cutler. Thoughts?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I would guess that his style would lead to way more picks than that.

 

[Jason Wood]

I am an admittedly unabashed Cutler lover. I think my Jets will regret passing on him for many, many years to come. So, with my admitted bias, I think Cutler will be the starter in Denver in 2007. IF he were to start this year, I think his numbers would look something like this:

2700 yards

22 passing TD's

2 rushing TD's

15 INT's

While I am also one of those that think ALL rookie QB's are best left on the bench for a year, I also don't think he'd crash and burn if he started in 2006. Similar to Rothlesberger's rookie year, he lands on a playoff caliber team. Not many highly touted rooks get that luxury. He is a PERFECT fit for Denver's zone blocking scheme. He has the arm, and the mobility to roll out, throw on the run, and can run the reverse roll out that Denver likes, which can be a very big play type of play call. 

So, since the hairy scottsman didn't like Young being put on the hot seat, let's even it up, and add Cutler. Thoughts?

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Rovers posted something similar in the Vince Young thread (only he called for 23 TDs and 14 Ints)...to which I responded:

Not to hijack but in the history of the league, exactly one rookie, Peyton Manning, threw that many TDs (26). He also happened to lead the league in INTs that season (28).

Only three other rookie QBs have thrown for 20 TDs in their first year:

[*]Jim Kelly -- 22 TDs, 17 Ints

[*]Charlie Conerly -- 22 TDs, 13 Ints

[*]Dan Marino -- 20 TDs, 6 Ints

IF (a huge IF), Cutler were thrown into the fire because Plummer got hurt, his numbers are much more likely to resemble 15 TDs, 22 Ints than the other way around. That's not a criticism of Cutler long-term, just the realities of force feeding a rookie into that role.

 

[Rovers]

I am an admittedly unabashed Cutler lover. I think my Jets will regret passing on him for many, many years to come. So, with my admitted bias, I think Cutler will be the starter in Denver in 2007. IF he were to start this year, I think his numbers would look something like this:

2700 yards

22 passing TD's

2 rushing TD's

15 INT's

While I am also one of those that think ALL rookie QB's are best left on the bench for a year, I also don't think he'd crash and burn if he started in 2006. Similar to Rothlesberger's rookie year, he lands on a playoff caliber team. Not many highly touted rooks get that luxury. He is a PERFECT fit for Denver's zone blocking scheme. He has the arm, and the mobility to roll out, throw on the run, and can run the reverse roll out that Denver likes, which can be a very big play type of play call. 

So, since the hairy scottsman didn't like Young being put on the hot seat, let's even it up, and add Cutler. Thoughts?

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Rovers posted something similar in the Vince Young thread (only he called for 23 TDs and 14 Ints)...to which I responded:

Not to hijack but in the history of the league, exactly one rookie, Peyton Manning, threw that many TDs (26). He also happened to lead the league in INTs that season (28).

Only three other rookie QBs have thrown for 20 TDs in their first year:

[*]Jim Kelly -- 22 TDs, 17 Ints

[*]Charlie Conerly -- 22 TDs, 13 Ints

[*]Dan Marino -- 20 TDs, 6 Ints

IF (a huge IF), Cutler were thrown into the fire because Plummer got hurt, his numbers are much more likely to resemble 15 TDs, 22 Ints than the other way around. That's not a criticism of Cutler long-term, just the realities of force feeding a rookie into that role.
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The other thread was an off the top of my head (mostly heart) guess. With Driver and Walker, I think Cutler would not have the INT stats of the average rookie.... but that is most likely a moot point, as Plummer will start this year barring an injury. What seperates Cutler, a point that many use as a point against him, is that he had little room for error at Vandy. He had little time to throw, and his recievers didn't get much seperation.... so he forced balls. Despite this fact, he went for something like 170 pass attempts without an INT at one point. I think the lack of talent around him has prepared him better for the NFL than the average NFL rookie QB. Could I be wrong? Absolutely. Nonetheless, it's MHO.

 

[Joe Bryant]

15 TDs, 22 Ints than the other way around. That's not a criticism of Cutler long-term, just the realities of force feeding a rookie into that role.

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I'd say that's reasonable.J

 

[BlueOnion]

I don't think he starts any early than week 12 this year. Shanny is one of those veteran coaches who seem to dis rookies and want them to prove their worth to earn playing time; we see it all the time with his running backs. I imagine he will be just as stern with the quarterback.

 

[LHUCKS]

IF (a huge IF), Cutler were thrown into the fire because Plummer got hurt, his numbers are much more likely to resemble 15 TDs, 22 Ints than the other way around. That's not a criticism of Cutler long-term, just the realities of force feeding a rookie into that role.

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[the hairy scotsman]

So, since the hairy scottsman didn't like Young being put on the hot seat, let's even it up, and add Cutler. Thoughts?

:blushing: You shouldn't have.

 

[P Boy]

Cutler has 2 huge things going for him that Young & Leinart don't.

Number 1 is that Cutler is surrounded by more talent & experience. DEN went to the AFC Championship last season and didn't lose a heck of a lot in the offseason - at least not pieces that were immediately replaceable with the current roster. There is some significant veteran leadership on both sides of the ball. There's also the corporate culture of the Broncos compared to the long storied historical lack of success for AZ or the short term horrible woes of TEN, which could have huge impact.

Number 2 is the environments that each of the 3 played in at the college level. Cutler played in the conference with by far the tougher Ds, and he had the least amount of talent surrounding him. What that means is that he had to be much more accurate with his throws than the other two guys, and he faced much more difficult pressure with lesser players catching the football. That probably gave him an experience that is much closer to the pros than the other two - Leinart & Young were both surrounded with exceptional players on their teams, some of whom flat out dominated their competition on the other side of the ball. Cutler's windows for throws were a lot smaller, the coverage guys were much more capable as far as comparison to his receivers as well as shear athletic ability, and the pressure was enhanced.

For that reason, if for some unforeseen event all 3 of Cutler, Young, and Leinart were to start from day 1 this year, I think Cutler would be the most successful in this coming season. As far as long term success? Right now it's anyone's guess, though I do lean towards Young given that I truly believe that he is the new breed of QB that has been touted the past few years (through Culpepper & Vick amongst others).

 

[LHUCKS]

For that reason, if for some unforeseen event all 3 of Cutler, Young, and Leinart were to start from day 1 this year, I think Cutler would be the most successful in this coming season. 

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You'd be in the minority, most NFL analysts would pick Leinart here.

 

[P Boy]

For that reason, if for some unforeseen event all 3 of Cutler, Young, and Leinart were to start from day 1 this year, I think Cutler would be the most successful in this coming season. 

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You'd be in the minority, most NFL analysts would pick Leinart here.
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They'd be wrong.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Cutler has 2 huge things going for him that Young & Leinart don't.

Number 1 is that Cutler is surrounded by more talent & experience.  DEN went to the AFC Championship last season and didn't lose a heck of a lot in the offseason - at least not pieces that were immediately replaceable with the current roster.  There is some significant veteran leadership on both sides of the ball.  There's also the corporate culture of the Broncos compared to the long storied historical lack of success for AZ or the short term horrible woes of TEN, which could have huge impact.

Number 2 is the environments that each of the 3 played in at the college level.  Cutler played in the conference with by far the tougher Ds, and he had the least amount of talent surrounding him.  What that means is that he had to be much more accurate with his throws than the other two guys, and he faced much more difficult pressure with lesser players catching the football.  That probably gave him an experience that is much closer to the pros than the other two - Leinart & Young were both surrounded with exceptional players on their teams, some of whom flat out dominated their competition on the other side of the ball.  Cutler's windows for throws were a lot smaller, the coverage guys were much more capable as far as comparison to his receivers as well as shear athletic ability, and the pressure was enhanced.

For that reason, if for some unforeseen event all 3 of Cutler, Young, and Leinart were to start from day 1 this year, I think Cutler would be the most successful in this coming season.  As far as long term success?  Right now it's anyone's guess, though I do lean towards Young given that I truly believe that he is the new breed of QB that has been touted the past few years (through Culpepper & Vick amongst others).

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I agree, and I think Cutler is the least talented of the three. He has the best supporting cast right now.

 

[stbugs]

Cutler has 2 huge things going for him that Young & Leinart don't.

Number 1 is that Cutler is surrounded by more talent & experience.  DEN went to the AFC Championship last season and didn't lose a heck of a lot in the offseason - at least not pieces that were immediately replaceable with the current roster.  There is some significant veteran leadership on both sides of the ball.  There's also the corporate culture of the Broncos compared to the long storied historical lack of success for AZ or the short term horrible woes of TEN, which could have huge impact.

Number 2 is the environments that each of the 3 played in at the college level.  Cutler played in the conference with by far the tougher Ds, and he had the least amount of talent surrounding him.  What that means is that he had to be much more accurate with his throws than the other two guys, and he faced much more difficult pressure with lesser players catching the football.  That probably gave him an experience that is much closer to the pros than the other two - Leinart & Young were both surrounded with exceptional players on their teams, some of whom flat out dominated their competition on the other side of the ball.  Cutler's windows for throws were a lot smaller, the coverage guys were much more capable as far as comparison to his receivers as well as shear athletic ability, and the pressure was enhanced.

For that reason, if for some unforeseen event all 3 of Cutler, Young, and Leinart were to start from day 1 this year, I think Cutler would be the most successful in this coming season.  As far as long term success?  Right now it's anyone's guess, though I do lean towards Young given that I truly believe that he is the new breed of QB that has been touted the past few years (through Culpepper & Vick amongst others).

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I agree, and I think Cutler is the least talented of the three. He has the best supporting cast right now.
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If either of you 2 could explain how Edge/Boldin/Fitzgerald is less talent than Dayne/Smith/Walker or Brown/??/Bennett, then I am all ears.Leinart has the best supporting cast on offense out of all 3 rookie QBs and I don't think it is even close. Maybe the OL isn't quite as good, but having Edge may help that quite a bit.

 

[P Boy]

If either of you 2 could explain how Edge/Boldin/Fitzgerald is less talent than Dayne/Smith/Walker or Brown/??/Bennett, then I am all ears.

The O-line right now in DEN is light years ahead of AZ. That easily makes up for any difference in the skill players and then some. The offensive scheming in DEN is probably better also, as much as I respect Green's offensive coaching prowess. Not many coaches can match Xs and Os with Shanahan.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Who do I compare with Chris Leak???

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Andre Ware?Cutler on the hot seat. Hmm. He is two years from being in Plummer's league, so it will take an injury to throw him into the fire. If that happened, Denver would rely more on the running game than ever, and Shanny would probably keep things very simple for Jay. Jake the Snake was turned into No Mistake Jake, and Cutler would be handled more severely. Contrary to prevailing opinion, Cutler isn't a gunslinger. He throws the ball out of bounds willingly when things break down. His pick per pass percentage was the same as Leinart's and Leinart is praised for taking care of the football, while Jay is labeled gunslinger. Just the media being colorful and wrong. Jay is a fine and conservative decision maker. I've seen him throw it away on 3rd and 10 trailing late in a game only to complete a 16 yard beauty on 4th down. He's in way over his head if he has to play this coming season, but he won't embarrass himself. His team is too good, and he'll "manage the game" per Shanahan's orders. I think picks and tds would probably even out at about one of each per game.

 

[Rovers]

Cutler has 2 huge things going for him that Young & Leinart don't.

Number 1 is that Cutler is surrounded by more talent & experience.  DEN went to the AFC Championship last season and didn't lose a heck of a lot in the offseason - at least not pieces that were immediately replaceable with the current roster.  There is some significant veteran leadership on both sides of the ball.  There's also the corporate culture of the Broncos compared to the long storied historical lack of success for AZ or the short term horrible woes of TEN, which could have huge impact.

Number 2 is the environments that each of the 3 played in at the college level.  Cutler played in the conference with by far the tougher Ds, and he had the least amount of talent surrounding him.  What that means is that he had to be much more accurate with his throws than the other two guys, and he faced much more difficult pressure with lesser players catching the football.  That probably gave him an experience that is much closer to the pros than the other two - Leinart & Young were both surrounded with exceptional players on their teams, some of whom flat out dominated their competition on the other side of the ball.  Cutler's windows for throws were a lot smaller, the coverage guys were much more capable as far as comparison to his receivers as well as shear athletic ability, and the pressure was enhanced.

For that reason, if for some unforeseen event all 3 of Cutler, Young, and Leinart were to start from day 1 this year, I think Cutler would be the most successful in this coming season.  As far as long term success?  Right now it's anyone's guess, though I do lean towards Young given that I truly believe that he is the new breed of QB that has been touted the past few years (through Culpepper & Vick amongst others).

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Good post, and you basically expounded on the reasons I think Cutler could, and would succeed at Denver early. Young may turn out to be all that he is in the Hairy Scottsman's dreams, but I think (like Mayock, Phil Simms and Ron Jaworski) that Cutler's skill set transfers to the NFL better than either Young or Leinart. You know what they say about opinions.... lol. I'll say this... in a new IDP dynasty league I'm in, having adopted an orphan that was worse than terrible, the first pick I make in the rebuild will be Cutler at 1.6. (Keg, don't say a word!) Somply put, I think he is the next great QB to arrive in the NFL. Only time, and not differing opinions can prove any of us right or wrong.

 

[msommer]

Personally I don't see Cutler hitting the field before 2008 unless Plummer is traded in the off season

 

[stbugs]

If either of you 2 could explain how Edge/Boldin/Fitzgerald is less talent than Dayne/Smith/Walker or Brown/??/Bennett, then I am all ears.

The O-line right now in DEN is light years ahead of AZ. That easily makes up for any difference in the skill players and then some. The offensive scheming in DEN is probably better also, as much as I respect Green's offensive coaching prowess. Not many coaches can match Xs and Os with Shanahan.
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Sorry, still don't buy it. Yes, Denver's OL might be better than AZ, especially run blocking wise, but Arizona was the #1 passing offense (Denver was #18) in the NFL last year and we are talking about FF passing, not whether or not Edge will do as well in Arizona.Boldin/Fitzgerald >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Walker/Smith

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Arizona D <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Denver D

A lot of people may not realize how good Arizona's passing offense has been and Denny Green's QBs have put up fantastic numbers, especially with stud receivers (Carter, Moss, Boldin, Fitzgerald). I like Javon Walker, but as of right now, I don't know how great he really is because every #1 WR that Favre has had has done very, very well. I know that Boldin/Fitz are going to be studs, barring injury, with Leinart because they were even with Josh McCown.

 

[UnknownCoach]

As long as Denver is winning with Plummer, Cutler probably wont start until about 2008. Now if the team starts struggling that's a different matter. I think they see Cutler as having more potential than Jake. But coming off a 13-3 season they arent going to just hand the starting QB job over to a rookie.

 

[Liopleurodon]

I am an admittedly unabashed Cutler lover. I think my Jets will regret passing on him for many, many years to come. So, with my admitted bias, I think Cutler will be the starter in Denver in 2007. IF he were to start this year, I think his numbers would look something like this:

2700 yards

22 passing TD's

2 rushing TD's

15 INT's

While I am also one of those that think ALL rookie QB's are best left on the bench for a year, I also don't think he'd crash and burn if he started in 2006. Similar to Rothlesberger's rookie year, he lands on a playoff caliber team. Not many highly touted rooks get that luxury. He is a PERFECT fit for Denver's zone blocking scheme. He has the arm, and the mobility to roll out, throw on the run, and can run the reverse roll out that Denver likes, which can be a very big play type of play call. 

So, since the hairy scottsman didn't like Young being put on the hot seat, let's even it up, and add Cutler. Thoughts?

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Rovers posted something similar in the Vince Young thread (only he called for 23 TDs and 14 Ints)...to which I responded:

Not to hijack but in the history of the league, exactly one rookie, Peyton Manning, threw that many TDs (26). He also happened to lead the league in INTs that season (28).

Only three other rookie QBs have thrown for 20 TDs in their first year:

[*]Jim Kelly -- 22 TDs, 17 Ints

[*]Charlie Conerly -- 22 TDs, 13 Ints

[*]Dan Marino -- 20 TDs, 6 Ints

IF (a huge IF), Cutler were thrown into the fire because Plummer got hurt, his numbers are much more likely to resemble 15 TDs, 22 Ints than the other way around. That's not a criticism of Cutler long-term, just the realities of force feeding a rookie into that role.
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The other thread was an off the top of my head (mostly heart) guess. With Driver and Walker, I think Cutler would not have the INT stats of the average rookie.... but that is most likely a moot point, as Plummer will start this year barring an injury. What seperates Cutler, a point that many use as a point against him, is that he had little room for error at Vandy. He had little time to throw, and his recievers didn't get much seperation.... so he forced balls. Despite this fact, he went for something like 170 pass attempts without an INT at one point. I think the lack of talent around him has prepared him better for the NFL than the average NFL rookie QB. Could I be wrong? Absolutely. Nonetheless, it's MHO.

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Ummm.... Driver and Walker??

 

[LHUCKS]

To be perfectly honest here...I barely saw this kid play. From what little I've seen and everything I've read Cutler sounds like a boom or bust type of guy.

Favre or Couch come to mind when I think of Cutler...who knows which guy you'll get.

 

[Sheriff66]

I'm thinking this kid is more Tommy Maddox than the next John Elway....

 

[Super King]

To be perfectly honest here...I barely saw this kid play.  From what little I've seen and everything I've read Cutler sounds like a boom or bust type of guy. 

Favre or Couch come to mind when I think of Cutler...who knows which guy you'll get. 

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youre comparing noodle arm Couch to Cutler?

 

[LHUCKS]

To be perfectly honest here...I barely saw this kid play.  From what little I've seen and everything I've read Cutler sounds like a boom or bust type of guy. 

Favre or Couch come to mind when I think of Cutler...who knows which guy you'll get. 

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youre comparing noodle arm Couch to Cutler?
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Yes, and Couch didn't have a noodle arm.

 

[Rovers]

I am an admittedly unabashed Cutler lover. I think my Jets will regret passing on him for many, many years to come. So, with my admitted bias, I think Cutler will be the starter in Denver in 2007. IF he were to start this year, I think his numbers would look something like this:

2700 yards

22 passing TD's

2 rushing TD's

15 INT's

While I am also one of those that think ALL rookie QB's are best left on the bench for a year, I also don't think he'd crash and burn if he started in 2006. Similar to Rothlesberger's rookie year, he lands on a playoff caliber team. Not many highly touted rooks get that luxury. He is a PERFECT fit for Denver's zone blocking scheme. He has the arm, and the mobility to roll out, throw on the run, and can run the reverse roll out that Denver likes, which can be a very big play type of play call. 

So, since the hairy scottsman didn't like Young being put on the hot seat, let's even it up, and add Cutler. Thoughts?

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Rovers posted something similar in the Vince Young thread (only he called for 23 TDs and 14 Ints)...to which I responded:

Not to hijack but in the history of the league, exactly one rookie, Peyton Manning, threw that many TDs (26). He also happened to lead the league in INTs that season (28).

Only three other rookie QBs have thrown for 20 TDs in their first year:

[*]Jim Kelly -- 22 TDs, 17 Ints

[*]Charlie Conerly -- 22 TDs, 13 Ints

[*]Dan Marino -- 20 TDs, 6 Ints

IF (a huge IF), Cutler were thrown into the fire because Plummer got hurt, his numbers are much more likely to resemble 15 TDs, 22 Ints than the other way around. That's not a criticism of Cutler long-term, just the realities of force feeding a rookie into that role.
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The other thread was an off the top of my head (mostly heart) guess. With Driver and Walker, I think Cutler would not have the INT stats of the average rookie.... but that is most likely a moot point, as Plummer will start this year barring an injury. What seperates Cutler, a point that many use as a point against him, is that he had little room for error at Vandy. He had little time to throw, and his recievers didn't get much seperation.... so he forced balls. Despite this fact, he went for something like 170 pass attempts without an INT at one point. I think the lack of talent around him has prepared him better for the NFL than the average NFL rookie QB. Could I be wrong? Absolutely. Nonetheless, it's MHO.

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Ummm.... Driver and Walker??
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Was thinking Rod Smith and Walker.... but I suppose old habits die hard! I also think that Brandon Marshall will be a good WR in time.