TommyKramer
Footballguy
I realize that the Vikes also got a 7th that they turned into S. Cowart for one year, but can this really be true? Has any organization in recent memory destroyed a talent base so quickly?
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D.Culpepper/R.Moss=T.Williamson/R.Cook (1 Viewer)
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trader jake
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there is also a [finacial + injury risk + character] factor that needs to be factored in here somewhere
TommyKramer
Footballguy
Yes, T. Williamson certainly has not displayed the work ethic of a 7th overall pick who received a HUGE signing bonus.
Borat
Footballguy
How does that make him a nonfactor in this discussion? You don't think he'd be a factor if he was still in Minnesota?
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snellman
Footballguy
You also have to factor in Pat Williams, Napoleon Harris, Darren Sharper, Fred Smoot. Williams Sharper and Smoot where signed to heavy first year deals, but friendly cap values for subsequent years because of the Moss trade. IMO Hutchinson was probably part of the Culpepper deal also because they were able to sign him because of Culpeppers contract being off the books. I definately like the direction this team is taking. It may take a year or two to see the benefits of this.
my man otis
Footballguy
Yeah, this is the 2nd time - another being when the traded for Hershell Walker.It probably won the Cowboys three Super Bowls.
Minnesota played basically .500 football after that for nearly a decade. Couple of decent years but nothing special.
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Daunte looks to be a huge talent in Miami. You're right MN dropped the ball on that one.
mozzy84
Footballguy
I would rather have cook than culpepper, vikes would be 0-3 right now with c pepp and have his high salary on the books. Moss was very fun to watch but having a high priced wide out thats trys about half the time will not win a championship.
Not to mention Red traded moss away right before he left, this organization now had nothing to do with that.
Not to mention Red traded moss away right before he left, this organization now had nothing to do with that.
Ahmad Rashad
Footballguy
No, it's not true. They also got Napoleon Harris, their starting middle linebacker, in the Moss trade. The biggest thing they got in the trades was huge cap relief, which they used to sign a bunch of great free agents to rebuild the team.
Wreckincrew
Footballguy
No, they had a large amount of salary cap room the last several years. They were up against the McComb's cap, which was based on how much money Red wanted to line his pockets with that particular year. The quote from Red after the '98 season when he was turned down for a new stadium. "Well, I gave 'em the Yankees, now I'll give 'em the Twins". Red =
Rumor now has it that CPep might soon be replaced with......with......I can't believe I am saying this.....Joey Harrington! 
How the mighty have fallen. 
BlueOnion
Footballguy
I have long been a Daunte defender, but even I have to acknowledge that the same traits still exist in the guy. He has extremely small hands and is prone to fumbling. He does not seem to read coverage very well.
GregR_2
Footballguy
During a Miami game the announcers were discussing a talk they had with an NFL scout who said that when he analyzes Culpepper he seems to consistently be slow in making the read and getting the ball out on time.I suppose with Moss that didn't matter as much.
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CrossEyed
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He's got enough talent to have put up 4700 yards and 39 TDs 2 years ago. Not all of that was Moss. Put in the right system I have no doubt he can be a very productive NFL QB again. Especially once he regains his mobility, which should be back next season.
jurb26
Footballguy
Maybe not all of it was Moss. I think it's safe to say that after 2 years, post-Moss, it's looking like Moss was a MAJOR part of Cpep's success. He needs to prove otherwise at this point.
If they trade Moss to Miami, Linehan becomes the OC sure things could be great once again. I don't disagree that he is probably still a little hurt, but he makes very poor decisions alot. Very accurate passer, yes. Good decision maker, no. Gifted athlete, yes. I just don't see him getting back to his miracle season.
BlueOnion
Footballguy
Randy Moss was uncoverable at times. His impact on the game cannot be minimized in the least. Here is what you get if you are a quarterback with Randy Moss:1) Moss is always at least double-teamed; yet he is technically still 'open'.
2) Moss' presence ensured teams could not blitz the Vikings.
3) With so much attention being paid towards Moss; there was minimal effort being given to other receivers, tightends and backs.
And if I have said it before, I'll say it again - 158.3. That is a perfect quarterback rating and Gus Ferotte scored one when playing with Randy Moss.
jurb26
Footballguy
The problem is, I think Cpep and whoever his OC is are just now learning what his strengths and weaknesses are. Playing with Moss and only having to look at half the field (among the many other advantages Moss provided) for 4 years kind of sugar coated everything and kept him in some sort of safety bubble.
The only way he will get there again is if he gets his confidence back. From the limited footage I have seen, he has none right now. Maybe a good game will get that back, but really he should have had a GREAT game against tennessee. Maybe Houston he will bounce back?
