Guy is a gamer. Has had very good success with Philly thoughout the years. Had one above average WR for half a season in his entire career. Shame how he is being treated. Can't wait for him to leave and thrive somewhere else where they will actually give him something to work with.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Huh? You forgetting about when he had Terrell Owens for all of 2004?
How else would you treat an aging QB who is playing like crap?
TO got hurt that year. He still has a lot game left in him. My opinion. You can bench him but in the middle of the game?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
You need to either learn your history or re-take a simple mathematics course. Owens played all of '04, except for the last two games, and then played in 7 of their games in '05. 21 regular season games is more than half a season. HTH. 
McNabb deserved to be benched for the way he was playing. He was awful. Kolb wasn't any better, but it was worth a shot to see if he could provide some sorta spark. McNabb sure wasn't getting it done, having committed 7 turnovers in his last 7 quarters of football.
McNabb deserved to be benched for the way he was playing. He was awful. Kolb wasn't any better, but it was worth a shot to see if he could provide some sorta spark. McNabb sure wasn't getting it done, having committed 7 turnovers in his last 7 quarters of football.
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massraider
Footballguy
I am a McNabb fan, and liked him since college. I thought the Eagles fans that rode him were ungrateful little snots.
But he just doesn't have "it". He can't seem to maintain the excellence that he has shown in starts and stops for the last 10 years. I don't want to hear about receivers. McNabb can throw the ball two feet in front of an excellent receiver as well. He's had a great defense, and Brian Westbrook most of his career. Other QBs have done more with less. I am a big believer that QBs make WRs.
We were told that ATL never had any WRs for poor Mike Vick. Matt Ryan seems to think they work fine.
McNabb's been overweight for a while, gets the yips three or four times a year, and has more big chokes than big plays.
It's probably time for he and Reid to both leave Philly.
But he just doesn't have "it". He can't seem to maintain the excellence that he has shown in starts and stops for the last 10 years. I don't want to hear about receivers. McNabb can throw the ball two feet in front of an excellent receiver as well. He's had a great defense, and Brian Westbrook most of his career. Other QBs have done more with less. I am a big believer that QBs make WRs.
We were told that ATL never had any WRs for poor Mike Vick. Matt Ryan seems to think they work fine.
McNabb's been overweight for a while, gets the yips three or four times a year, and has more big chokes than big plays.
It's probably time for he and Reid to both leave Philly.
I can't wait to see McNabb land somewhere else next year. I think it will just prove what we already know in Philly - his best days are behind him. Does that mean he can't go somewhere and win? No. He might take Minnesota over the top if they keep their defense intact. A big part of the problem right now is that he's not suited to run Reid's offense and Reid is too stubborn to change. If they lose to Arizona, I hope we get Kolb for the rest of the year.
Again, I think McNabb will get another job next year, but I think it will bear out that he's not as good as people think he is.
Again, I think McNabb will get another job next year, but I think it will bear out that he's not as good as people think he is.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
I fully believe if McNabb lands in Minnesota it will rejuvenate his career and the Vikings will be neck and neck with the Giants in the NFC. He just turned 32 today.....the guy is far from done. He just needs to get out of that craphole Philly.
Manster
Footballguy
maybe, but he's one blown out knee away from being done. and it seems he's overdo for one.
ScottyFargo
Footballguy
I wouldn't mind him in Minny, I think his troubles he's had the last two weeks have been abberrations (though that didn't stop me from benching him this week as I don't think his slide is finished yet). His time in Philly is over, they need to reboot, he needs to reboot.The Vikes will have to manage their cap well this offseason to try and land a QB, either way.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Good call.....so is Warner, Eli, Peyton, Romo, Brees, Favre, Roethlisberger, LT, ADP, MJD, TJ, Portis, Barber, 
Turner, Gore, Westbrook, Addai, Deangelo, TO, Randy Moss, Boldin, Fitz, Steve Smith, Greg Jennings, AJ, Wayne......want me to keep going?
FavreCo
Footballguy
I'm fine with him going somewhere as long as he doesn't go near any of my WR's. Stay out of Detroit....I'm not kidding. I'll take a rookie QB over him. His bounce passes will get Calvin killed as he tries to scoop them up. Go to Minnesota. He can't hurt my team that way.rockalum said:
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Gimme a break. When he and TO were still dating they were unstoppable.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
So getting gassed in the second half of games means nothing? Look at his stats first half vs. second half, first 3 quarters vs 4th quarter. I don't have them off hand but listening to the radio they reported them and it was just awful.Daywalker said:
Meh, he hasn't won anything, he's been fairly average over his career. For someone who plays QB in a VERY Pass happy offense like Philly, I would expect better numbers. Barely over 3,000 passing yards per year. He's nothing fantastic but you could obviously do worse. Personally I think he's vastly overrated. I think Rush was on to something with his comment.
2004, TO all season mean anything?
So how do you suggest to treat a QB with his worst passer rating since 2003, hasn't played a full season since 2003, on a team that should have made the playoffs but is 5-5-1, and who is dumber than a box of rocks?
Places I see him possibly going:MIN: Is Berrian much of an upgrade to Curtis? Both seem like glorified WR2. He goes from one team built around a RB to another built around a RB
CHI: Really? Is that much better?
SEA: Awful. WRs can't even stay healthy
STL?: A stretch, but a possibility. That's the only place I could see him upgrading his offense, but they have Bulger on a nice fat contract already
I don't see him going anywhere where he'll "thrive" and have "something to work with" His best chance was in Philly with TO in 2004, and they lost in the SB becuase he was gassed.
He's a bum and deserves every once of grief he gets
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
People forget the days of Doug Pederson, Ty and Koy Detmer, Bobby Hoying, and Jim McMahon. Those who forget the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them.......
BigJim®
Footballguy
I am not biased in favor or against McNabb generally. He seems like an above average QB based on his production. That said, I'm a little worried about the rumors he could join the Vikings in 2009. He seems to begin seasons strong and then become injured or fades down the stretch. Further, I'm not sure if an above average QB can ever be a great QB if he gets winded and/or pukes on the most critical drives of his NFL career. That's somewhat inexcusable to be at your weakest in the 4th quarter and suggests he doesn't keep himself in very good shape, which again could explain why he gets injured and fades down the stretch of an NFL season. Based on the proclivity of the Vikes to do that exact thing as a team, it's not a great fit IMHO.
You left out Jeff Garcia....
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
No, I didn't.You left out Jeff Garcia....
I mentioned the QB's that pre-dated McNabb's starting for the Eagles. Garcia was a 6 game fill in a few years ago.
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Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
My comments are in italicsMcNabb is overpaid:
I agree, I wouldn't pay him 9 mil next yearMcNabb is injury prone:
TrueMcNabb isn't very good:
Uh, yeah, take out his best years and I guess his stats aren't that great.
Yes, it is.
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My point was that you seemed to name Eagles starters that didn't so well for the Eagles with the assumption that the team would be very bad with anyone else as the starting QB. I was just pointing out that Garcia played well for them when he was the starter.No, I didn't.You left out Jeff Garcia....
DH, I understand your point about cherry-picking stats to prove a point. However, those are the stats over the last 4 consecutive seasons. It would be wonderful if we could turn back the clock to the days when #5 was an awesome QB, but the fact is he's been average and/or injured each of the last 4 years. He hasn't won a playoff game since January of '04. Nearly 5 years ago. That McNabb was a joy to watch and you just had the feeling he could lead the team to a game winning score. 4th & 26 was a long time ago.And for some perspective, I've owned one sports jersey in my life. Its an Eagles #5, so I'm no hater.My comments are in italicsMcNabb is overpaid:
I agree, I wouldn't pay him 9 mil next yearMcNabb is injury prone:
TrueMcNabb isn't very good:
Uh, yeah, take out his best years and I guess his stats aren't that great.
Yes, it is.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
not.even.close.JSH21 said:
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
They also include two seasons in which he was hurt, including a very fluky knee injury. You also have to factor in that it's VERY difficult to come back at full strength after a knee injury. Hell, Carson Palmer hasn't been the same either after his injury and I think his situation is very close to McNabb's.Listen, you guys are preaching to the choir here, McNabb SHOULD NOT start another game for the Eagles. His ship has sailed as long as Reid remains. That being said, don't be shocked if he's traded to the Vikes and blows up next year. Decent O-line, devestating run game to keep the pressure off, ok WR in Berrian. I think things are lining up very well for McNabb next season.DH, I understand your point about cherry-picking stats to prove a point. However, those are the stats over the last 4 consecutive seasons. It would be wonderful if we could turn back the clock to the days when #5 was an awesome QB, but the fact is he's been average and/or injured each of the last 4 years. He hasn't won a playoff game since January of '04. Nearly 5 years ago. That McNabb was a joy to watch and you just had the feeling he could lead the team to a game winning score. 4th & 26 was a long time ago.And for some perspective, I've owned one sports jersey in my life. Its an Eagles #5, so I'm no hater.My comments are in italicsMcNabb is overpaid:
I agree, I wouldn't pay him 9 mil next yearMcNabb is injury prone:
TrueMcNabb isn't very good:
Uh, yeah, take out his best years and I guess his stats aren't that great.It's time for him to go.....along with Andy Reid.
Yes, it is.
Agreed. And I would love to see him go to Minn with Childress and be very successful. Things have gone very wrong for the Eagles this season and its certainly not all McNabb's fault.Andy Reid and the Eagles have been building to this point since they selected Kolb. I wonder if the pressure (anticipation?) has just taken a toll on all those involved. I also wonder if the Phillies winning the World Series has put more pressure on them to win. From what I've heard, Joe Banner was not happy his team is taking a back seat to the Phils. In fact, I've heard of quotes being credited to Banner that his competition is not the rest of the NFL, its the other 3 Philly sports teams.
BigJim®
Footballguy
Maybe I'm missing something, but what incentive would Minnesota have to trade for McNabb? To do so, I would think the Vikes would need to conclude there is a real possibility that the Eagles might keep McNabb under the contract which would pay him $10 million in 2009. Is that really a possibility? IMHO it seems like it would be a double hit not only to give compensation in trade for McNabb, but also to become responsible under his existing contract, which everyone seems to think overpays him at this stage of his career. If I'm Vikings management, I see no reason to trade for a guy I expect to be released.
Hey Donovan, how ya doing? It's a shame you're not even a top 25 QB anymore.
Wu-banger
Footballguy
McNabb's issue is that he is a very good football player , but just a good QB.
In the last few years he has been confined to being a pocket passer and not given the free range to use his football instincts.
Keeping McNabb in the pocket as Reid and that offense does accentuates his flaws (accuracy , fast decision making, reading defenses)
Always wondered why Reid took a player like McNabb and wanted to change him to highlight the flaws.
I am not sure if age and injury played a bigger factor in forcing McNabb to be a pocket passer and no longer a playmaker ...... or maybe because he gets winded after 8 yard scramble..!!!
In the last few years he has been confined to being a pocket passer and not given the free range to use his football instincts.
Keeping McNabb in the pocket as Reid and that offense does accentuates his flaws (accuracy , fast decision making, reading defenses)
Always wondered why Reid took a player like McNabb and wanted to change him to highlight the flaws.
I am not sure if age and injury played a bigger factor in forcing McNabb to be a pocket passer and no longer a playmaker ...... or maybe because he gets winded after 8 yard scramble..!!!
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Good Lord. My point is that I think he'll do very well away from this current situation. Whether he's traded, released, hand of Jeebus places him there, whatever. I just used the word 'traded' because, until he is released, it would take a trade to get him elsewhere.BigJim® said:
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Actually the Philly O is predicated on the short passing game (unlike say the Raiders vertical passing game from a while back). So expecting less YPC from the Philly QBs is not a surprise.
BigJim®
Footballguy
I agree. GOOD LORD how could anybody think you meant what you typed.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
Again, not close. At his best, at the time, he was top 5 or so. No doubt. Now, sure, he's older and with the team in a mess it's pretty tough to judge. Outside of top 25 is going a little off the deep end.JSH21 said:
AmityRogueWaves
Footballguy
To steer this conversation back to FFL impact, are those of us who are counting on a PHI QB to win us a championship delusional?
jasvic
Footballguy
I thought it was interesting that when Kolb came in, one of the first plays he ran was a roll out/bootleg pass...I can't remember the last time they dialed that play for McNabb and I wondered, why? I seem to remember him running that play often back in the day. I don't know if he's no longer capable or if Reid thinks he can't.Wu-banger said:
Struggling with this myself. It is a nice matchup... but I need a big win to make the playoffs and I don't know if I have th guts to start him. Could be the bold call to get big points on Thursday. Could feel even worse if he gets benched on a thursday. May have to go with Ben or wire pick up.OK--now that all that's clear--how do y'all like him against Arizona?!!:sigh: I actually had him penciled in to start that game when I picked him up three weeks ago--it's a great matchup for turning things around....
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Rush was dead onMcNabb is ranked 20th among QBs with an 81.1 rating. 25 isn't too far away at 76.7
Ozymandias
Footballguy
Nobody remembers that the Niners benched Steve Young when his butt was being handed to him on a platter? (Ironically, in Philadelphia).
He then went on to be MVP and win the Superbowl.
He then went on to be MVP and win the Superbowl.
Diamond One
Footballguy
Sad but true; that's what I think is gonna happen too. Reid is the guy who needs to go (hell, it's actually overdue IMHO), but I just can't see happening. Too much "McNabb sucks" talk rather than looking at the horrible coaching, game-planning, and in-game management -- specifically, the lack of...
delusional
Footballguy
Wants McNabb to stay
Wants Reid gone.
In other news you gotta love the guy
After thanking reporters for their birthday wishes yesterday, McNabb was asked how he found out he was again the starter. Of course, the subtext here was that Andy Reid sent quarterbacks coach Pat Shurmur to tell McNabb he was being benched in Baltimore.
“I was told by the janitor. Me and him have a pretty good relationship around here. It was a pretty good conversation we had,” McNabb said.
Wants Reid gone.
In other news you gotta love the guy
After thanking reporters for their birthday wishes yesterday, McNabb was asked how he found out he was again the starter. Of course, the subtext here was that Andy Reid sent quarterbacks coach Pat Shurmur to tell McNabb he was being benched in Baltimore.
“I was told by the janitor. Me and him have a pretty good relationship around here. It was a pretty good conversation we had,” McNabb said.
crewmember
Footballguy
On the flipside what about the days of Buddy Ryan, Ray Rhodes and Rich Kotite. We've seen Jeff Garcia pull of a string of wins and even Feely have some success. If Reid brought up one QB in McNabb who's to say he can't do it again with Kolb? I'm not comparing these guys to McNabb, just pointing out it how it's unfair to blame the coach and say look at all the unsucessful quaterbacks there've been and not point out how many unsuccesful head coaches there's been.
crewmember
Footballguy
You need to either learn your history or re-take a simple mathematics course. Owens played all of '04, except for the last two games, and then played in 7 of their games in '05. 21 regular season games is more than half a season. HTH.McNabb deserved to be benched for the way he was playing. He was awful. Kolb wasn't any better, but it was worth a shot to see if he could provide some sorta spark. McNabb sure wasn't getting it done, having committed 7 turnovers in his last 7 quarters of football.
It was worth a shot, they had nothing to lose. Can't believe Reid getting blamed for putting Kolb in. People will say it was 10-7, but the 7 was from a special teams td, and McNabb was doing everything he could to give points to the other teams. Kolb sucked but he wasn't any worse. These same people blaming Reid for putting Kolb in would be screaming "why didn't they put Kolb in?' if they kept McNabb in. The contradictions of Philadelphia fans never fails to amaze me, I wonder how they can even believe what they say.As far as the idea of McNabb in Minnesota, hell yea he will succeed. If Gus Ferotte can make it there, then I'm pretty sure McNabb could lead them to a superbowl.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
You're really ranking a guy on QB rating?
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Buddy was not a bad coach. He had a fatal flaw in relying too much on the Defense and Randall while ignoring the O-line in FA and drafting dogs, but the front office was as much to blame for that than anyone. Rhodes was a good Coordinator, but average at best Head Coach. Dude was a horrible talent evaluator for the draft though.Kotite was putrid.
crewmember
Footballguy
I included Buddy, because he wasted so so much talent and we always hold Reid up for not winning the Big One. But yes for the reasons you listed those opportunities were wasted. If that was front office and not him, then I apolgoize to the man.Deranged Hermit said:
