Daily vs. Weekly (1 Viewer)

[Michael Brown]

My league has been run since 2001 using weekly lineup changes. We put our changes in effect for the games from Monday to Sunday, like normal, and haven't really had many problems with it. I like the setup, it's traditional, whatever.

A couple of people complained about wanting daily lineups now, so I took an informal vote. The dailys beat the weeklys 7-5. Now that doesn't warrant a rule change in our setup but it does mean the majority would prefer it. I've given the usual things about more strategy in a weekly league, ease of doing lineups once instead of every day, etc.

The added wrinkle is that we have a salary cap (the least complicated part of our league by far), for which we have to pay cap penalties for going over in a given week. So if you're $5 over the cap, you owe an actual $5 to the pot. That can accumulate each week of the season, and some people end up paying hundreds in cap fees. Now we could have a situation where rosters are frozen each week but lineups can still be altered daily, but I don't know. I've done daily leagues but like the weekly format better, with two start pitchers, # of games played, etc, coming into play.

What says the baseball forum?

P.S. If this was already a topic, can someone link to it? Thanks.

 

[Spartans Rule]

If you're playing roto, the way to go is daily with GP and IP limits.

I prefer weekly for H2H just because it prevents people from churning through 20 starts each week.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

If you're playing roto, the way to go is daily with GP and IP limits.I prefer weekly for H2H just because it prevents people from churning through 20 starts each week.

 

[Chairshot]

Personally, I much prefer weekly changes. I think it favors people who think strategy more then people who have a high level of internet access.

The biggest issue with daily changes, which has been mentioned before, is a very active team doing 15 add/drops a week so they get a ton of starts. Those teams win the wins and Ks cats virtually every week.

It mostly depends on your league wants, but just know that allowing daily add/drops makes for a *much* different league then weekly transactions.

 

[Michael Brown]

We do a roto format standard 5x5 scoring with 21 man starting rosters and a 9-man bench. Pickups are $5 each and we already have IP and GP caps so people wouldn't go over. I guess my main hangup is that the people who want daily are the ones who tend to NOT pay attention as much. They seemingly think that doing a daily league will somehow "force" them to pay more attention. Anyone with experience with that? I'm not buying it just yet.

 

[Chairshot]

We do a roto format standard 5x5 scoring with 21 man starting rosters and a 9-man bench. Pickups are $5 each and we already have IP and GP caps so people wouldn't go over. I guess my main hangup is that the people who want daily are the ones who tend to NOT pay attention as much. They seemingly think that doing a daily league will somehow "force" them to pay more attention. Anyone with experience with that? I'm not buying it just yet.

Definitely won't force them to pay attention. They will just fall further behind.

 

[editor47]

i'm guessing when they realize for the 5th time in april that they could have had a bench guy in their lineup over a guy who had the day off and that bench guy homered, or went 3-for-4, they're going to either:

a) be sorry they changed the rule

b) pay more attention.

i vote a. leopards don't change their spots.

 

[TLEF316]

i like daily lineup changes with innings limit. However, i think actual roster pickups should be weekly.

 

[boubucarow]

We do a roto format standard 5x5 scoring with 21 man starting rosters and a 9-man bench. Pickups are $5 each and we already have IP and GP caps so people wouldn't go over. I guess my main hangup is that the people who want daily are the ones who tend to NOT pay attention as much. They seemingly think that doing a daily league will somehow "force" them to pay more attention. Anyone with experience with that? I'm not buying it just yet.

Definitely won't force them to pay attention. They will just fall further behind.

They probably will pay attention a lot to start but their daily participation will decline as the season progresses.

 

[guru_007]

If you're playing roto, the way to go is daily with GP and IP limits.I prefer weekly for H2H just because it prevents people from churning through 20 starts each week.

Personally, I much prefer weekly changes. I think it favors people who think strategy more then people who have a high level of internet access.The biggest issue with daily changes, which has been mentioned before, is a very active team doing 15 add/drops a week so they get a ton of starts. Those teams win the wins and Ks cats virtually every week.It mostly depends on your league wants, but just know that allowing daily add/drops makes for a *much* different league then weekly transactions.

This is basically the crux of the argumentWeekly lineup changes have become archaic. They were originally set this way because a) most calculations were done by pen and pencil and only the biggest nerds on the planet would keep up with daily changes and b) stats came out in the newspaper weekly so it was the easiest way to set lineups and keep stats accurate.Now, with real time scoring and websites keeping track of scoring, there is really no reason not to have daily lineup changes to give you more of the managerial feel of a real baseball manager. Of course, the drawback is every league has a few owners that do not have internet access all day, or are too overwhelmed with family/work obligations that they barely get a chance to check out their teams matchups but once or twice a day, and this of course gives advantage to those who can.I think with rss feeds now and all, daily transactions should be the norm - along with innings pitched and games played limits. Weekly is just too passive, and it's getting to the point where there should be no excuses for owners that know what they're getting themselves into. If someone doesn't have internet access at work, they almost certainly have a mobile device on them that will allow them to make lineup changes. I could see 5 years ago, a select few owners having a significant advantage over other owners, but it's getting to the point where everyone should be on near equal ground.

 

[Kovax]

i like daily lineup changes with innings limit. However, i think actual roster pickups should be weekly.

I like this too. Unfortunately for my leagues that have daily lineup changes, CBS does not allow roster changes to be weekly and lineup changes to be done daily. When we switched from weekly to daily, the topic of how to do it while preventing owners from churning thru starts did become a rather large debate. The best we could come up with was a IP limit with a hefty penalty if you go over.Daily lineup changes can be tough to manage and the advantage easily goes to the bachelor who has alot of time on his hands.

 

[TLEF316]

i like daily lineup changes with innings limit. However, i think actual roster pickups should be weekly.

I like this too. Unfortunately for my leagues that have daily lineup changes, CBS does not allow roster changes to be weekly and lineup changes to be done daily. When we switched from weekly to daily, the topic of how to do it while preventing owners from churning thru starts did become a rather large debate. The best we could come up with was a IP limit with a hefty penalty if you go over.Daily lineup changes can be tough to manage and the advantage easily goes to the bachelor who has alot of time on his hands.

yeah, i was way better at fantasy baseball back when i was in college. I could spend an hour every day (usually after my morning classes) looking at stats and picking over the WW. Plus i could watch more night games to get reads on possible pickups.Once i got a job, it just got too hard to manage. I haven't played in a baseball league in 2 years. Dont miss it at all. Its too much of a grind.

 

[=Smackdown=]

Weekly is unrealistic - if a player gets hurt on Monday or Tuesday you're screwed.

Weekly H2H with daily lineup changes - with a weekly minimum & maximum IP to prevent churning.

 

[Michael Brown]

Weekly is unrealistic - if a player gets hurt on Monday or Tuesday you're screwed.

Weekly H2H with daily lineup changes - with a weekly minimum & maximum IP to prevent churning.

That was the complaint of several owners. However, it's not like fantasy football where the guy playing is guaranteed to help your team. He could suck the rest of the week. Also, the odds of a player getting hurt badly enough to not play again the rest of the week are relatively small. And the odds of getting hurt on one of those two specific days is even smaller (2/7). Then consider that every time it happens, one team gets screwed but the other eleven teams benefit. I'm not sure I agree with the "getting screwed" part anymore than I would if a guy gets hurt on the first play of a football game.You lose a guy in the first quarter of a football game, and you've lost out on 1/13 of the yearly production from one of your 9 starters (1/117th of your total team production). You lose a guy in the first day of the week in a baseball matchup, and it's 1/25 of the guy's yearly production and it's from only 1/14 of your hitters (1/350th of your total team production).

 

[Kovax]

i like daily lineup changes with innings limit. However, i think actual roster pickups should be weekly.

I like this too. Unfortunately for my leagues that have daily lineup changes, CBS does not allow roster changes to be weekly and lineup changes to be done daily. When we switched from weekly to daily, the topic of how to do it while preventing owners from churning thru starts did become a rather large debate. The best we could come up with was a IP limit with a hefty penalty if you go over.Daily lineup changes can be tough to manage and the advantage easily goes to the bachelor who has alot of time on his hands.

yeah, i was way better at fantasy baseball back when i was in college. I could spend an hour every day (usually after my morning classes) looking at stats and picking over the WW. Plus i could watch more night games to get reads on possible pickups.Once i got a job, it just got too hard to manage. I haven't played in a baseball league in 2 years. Dont miss it at all. Its too much of a grind.

Can't think of what my summer would be like without fantasy baseball. I'm moving down from 3 leagues to 2 leagues this year. You don't realize how much time you waste on it until the season is over and you are thankful that you have the upcoming break of just playing fantasy football, lol.

 

[dparker713]

The more inactive owners would be better off with a blind FA auction weekly. Largely prevents streaming pitchers and eliminates the importance of being quick to pickup a player. It allows for the benefit of daily lineup changes without most of the problems.

 

[Kovax]

The more inactive owners would be better off with a blind FA auction weekly. Largely prevents streaming pitchers and eliminates the importance of being quick to pickup a player. It allows for the benefit of daily lineup changes without most of the problems.

The FAAB function on CBS was new last year (IIRC). The only other alternative was to have the commish handle it via emails. Sounded like too much work for the commish and there were common concerns about using FAAB and potentially having problems. I'm glad you mention it though, because it needs to be brought up again this year.

 

[dparker713]

The more inactive owners would be better off with a blind FA auction weekly. Largely prevents streaming pitchers and eliminates the importance of being quick to pickup a player. It allows for the benefit of daily lineup changes without most of the problems.

The FAAB function on CBS was new last year (IIRC). The only other alternative was to have the commish handle it via emails. Sounded like too much work for the commish and there were common concerns about using FAAB and potentially having problems. I'm glad you mention it though, because it needs to be brought up again this year.

We've done it through email for years. Every bid needs to be in a certain format so that it fits neatly into a spreadsheet. Takes about 10-15 minutes a week. The commish normally does it, but we have several other people who have done it for various reasons.

 

[Kovax]

The more inactive owners would be better off with a blind FA auction weekly. Largely prevents streaming pitchers and eliminates the importance of being quick to pickup a player. It allows for the benefit of daily lineup changes without most of the problems.

The FAAB function on CBS was new last year (IIRC). The only other alternative was to have the commish handle it via emails. Sounded like too much work for the commish and there were common concerns about using FAAB and potentially having problems. I'm glad you mention it though, because it needs to be brought up again this year.

We've done it through email for years. Every bid needs to be in a certain format so that it fits neatly into a spreadsheet. Takes about 10-15 minutes a week. The commish normally does it, but we have several other people who have done it for various reasons.

Interesting. I assumed it would have taken much longer.

 

[awesomeness]

Pretty much any complaint that you have about daily lineups can be pretty easily fixed.

People will stream multiple pitchers every week: Create a weekly waiver pickup limit, or set up a contract league where you won't have the cap space to pickup and drop pitchers every week, or set maximum innings pitched.

People don't have daily access to computers to set lineups every day: You can sit down on a Sunday night and set your lineup for the next week right there.