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Dallas punches New England in the mouth (2 Viewers)

greenline said:
PatsFan72, The loss I was speaking of would be in Miami, in October. I don't think Mia will come up here and beat NE at home in the cold.
Fair enough, I glanced over it and had the week 16 game in my head.But talking about the week 7 game in Miami, we should be at full strength on the defense, having Seymour (maybe) and Harrison back, which will make it even harder for Miami to prepare since they won't have much film on what the defense will be at that point, and being familiar with us is there biggest advantage, but Adalius Thomas has changed the defense considerably.I just think the team has changed so much this year that it's not going to be as much of an advantage as normal, and the way they match up with Miami's poor rush defense, and New England being able to attack with RBs, in every way imaginable, up the middle, off tackle, on the corners, dump off passes, screens, people forget that the Patriots are averaging 151 yards rushing per game, 4th in the NFL, with 3 rushing TDs, so they don't need to beat you in the air, if Miami feels like playing contain on Moss, it will only make running or short passes easier.Think about this for a moment. How do you stop the Patriots offense? You take away the long ball, and they have Welker, Watson, and the 3-headed running game, take away the middle, and they have Moss and Stallworth, take away the run game with 8 in the box and they have too many weapons to mention, try blitzing, Kevin Faulk, Sammy Morris, Watson dump passes and screens. What do you do?
 
Pats fan please understand that you are NOT the best team in the history of the NFL after only 3 games. You can lose. You have been playing good for 3 games way to go. Last year Indy was undefeated and everyone said they were going to blow out Dallas..........Dallas ended up holding Indy to their lowest scoring output of the season and won. You actually have to play have the game. Nothing is a given. Injuries and turnovers occur that can shift the outcome of the game.

 
Belichick will have a field day with Tony Romo.
Romo made the best D in the league look silly. I am sure the Pats D just terrifies him.Cheatachick better find a new and improved way to cheat to slow down big D.
Ah.. bitterkurt is back :shrug: And the party line is "Belecheat" not Cheatachick... have you not been attending the meetings?
I have what is called a life, brother Icon. I missed that meeting. Thanks for taking notes for me though.Is "bitterkurt" really lmao worthy? :reach:
 
greenline said:
PatsFan72,

The loss I was speaking of would be in Miami, in October. I don't think Mia will come up here and beat NE at home in the cold.
Fair enough, I glanced over it and had the week 16 game in my head.But talking about the week 7 game in Miami, we should be at full strength on the defense, having Seymour (maybe) and Harrison back, which will make it even harder for Miami to prepare since they won't have much film on what the defense will be at that point, and being familiar with us is there biggest advantage, but Adalius Thomas has changed the defense considerably.

I just think the team has changed so much this year that it's not going to be as much of an advantage as normal, and the way they match up with Miami's poor rush defense, and New England being able to attack with RBs, in every way imaginable, up the middle, off tackle, on the corners, dump off passes, screens, people forget that the Patriots are averaging 151 yards rushing per game, 4th in the NFL, with 3 rushing TDs, so they don't need to beat you in the air, if Miami feels like playing contain on Moss, it will only make running or short passes easier.

Think about this for a moment. How do you stop the Patriots offense? You take away the long ball, and they have Welker, Watson, and the 3-headed running game, take away the middle, and they have Moss and Stallworth, take away the run game with 8 in the box and they have too many weapons to mention, try blitzing, Kevin Faulk, Sammy Morris, Watson dump passes and screens. What do you do?
Think about this for a moment. How do you stop the Cowboys offense? You take away the long ball and they have Witten, Owens and the 2 headed running game, take away the middle and Owens will still be open (unlike Moss he is not a 1 trick pony), and you also have to deal with Crayton, and Hurd, take away the run game with 8 in the box and they have too many weapons to mention, try blitzing, Marion Barber, Julius Jones, Witten dump passes and screens. What do you do?
 
greenline said:
PatsFan72, The loss I was speaking of would be in Miami, in October. I don't think Mia will come up here and beat NE at home in the cold.
Fair enough, I glanced over it and had the week 16 game in my head.But talking about the week 7 game in Miami, we should be at full strength on the defense, having Seymour (maybe) and Harrison back, which will make it even harder for Miami to prepare since they won't have much film on what the defense will be at that point, and being familiar with us is there biggest advantage, but Adalius Thomas has changed the defense considerably.I just think the team has changed so much this year that it's not going to be as much of an advantage as normal, and the way they match up with Miami's poor rush defense, and New England being able to attack with RBs, in every way imaginable, up the middle, off tackle, on the corners, dump off passes, screens, people forget that the Patriots are averaging 151 yards rushing per game, 4th in the NFL, with 3 rushing TDs, so they don't need to beat you in the air, if Miami feels like playing contain on Moss, it will only make running or short passes easier.Think about this for a moment. How do you stop the Patriots offense? You take away the long ball, and they have Welker, Watson, and the 3-headed running game, take away the middle, and they have Moss and Stallworth, take away the run game with 8 in the box and they have too many weapons to mention, try blitzing, Kevin Faulk, Sammy Morris, Watson dump passes and screens. What do you do?
Sure. I'm just saying Miami has a way of rattling Brady. I have alot of respect for Miami as a division opponent and regardless of all the things you've listed (which are all fair and legit) Miami in Miami, always is a tough game. Tjey might steam roll through that game, I'm just saying division games are a different beast. Maybe Cam Camerson will just get outschemed and not adjust and it turns out to be a blowout.
 
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Pats fan please understand that you are NOT the best team in the history of the NFL after only 3 games. You can lose. You have been playing good for 3 games way to go. Last year Indy was undefeated and everyone said they were going to blow out Dallas..........Dallas ended up holding Indy to their lowest scoring output of the season and won. You actually have to play have the game. Nothing is a given. Injuries and turnovers occur that can shift the outcome of the game.
I can understand how you feel the need to mention this stuff, hyperbole is fun, but counter productive, and many Pat's fan do believe they are unstoppable, but many also realize the basic truth of the NFL, which is Any Given Sunday. Most people know that injuries, weather, bad bounces and lack of a whole chicken to sacrifice can affect any outcome. Much of this is a hyperbole thread, and I'm going with the flow.
...Think about this for a moment. How do you stop the Patriots offense? You take away the long ball, and they have Welker, Watson, and the 3-headed running game, take away the middle, and they have Moss and Stallworth, take away the run game with 8 in the box and they have too many weapons to mention, try blitzing, Kevin Faulk, Sammy Morris, Watson dump passes and screens. What do you do?
Think about this for a moment. How do you stop the Cowboys offense? You take away the long ball and they have Witten, Owens and the 2 headed running game, take away the middle and Owens will still be open (unlike Moss he is not a 1 trick pony), and you also have to deal with Crayton, and Hurd, take away the run game with 8 in the box and they have too many weapons to mention, try blitzing, Marion Barber, Julius Jones, Witten dump passes and screens. What do you do?
Crayton and Hurd 10 receptions 172 yards 1 TDvs.

Welker and Stallworth 24 receptions 287 yards 1 TD

Moss has caught a couple over the middle too.

Dallas has Owens, Jones, Barber and Witten, there, I mentioned all 4 good targets/weapons.

Patriots have Moss, Welker, Faulk, Maroney, Morris, Watson, there, I mentioned all 6, 7 if you want to throw in Stallworth.

Dallas is not as well rounded as the Patriots. If you take Owens and Witten out of the game, they don't have much else in passing, if you take Moss and Watson out of the Patriots pass game they still have Welker and Stallworth, and don't forget Kevin Faulk.

Dallas has a damn fine offense this year, I just don't think it's on the level of this year's Patriots yet, add that together with the Patriots defense, and if the game was played this week in Dallas, the Cowboys would probably be getting 5 points.

 
Pats fan please understand that you are NOT the best team in the history of the NFL after only 3 games. You can lose. You have been playing good for 3 games way to go. Last year Indy was undefeated and everyone said they were going to blow out Dallas..........Dallas ended up holding Indy to their lowest scoring output of the season and won. You actually have to play have the game. Nothing is a given. Injuries and turnovers occur that can shift the outcome of the game.
I can understand how you feel the need to mention this stuff, hyperbole is fun, but counter productive, and many Pat's fan do believe they are unstoppable, but many also realize the basic truth of the NFL, which is Any Given Sunday. Most people know that injuries, weather, bad bounces and lack of a whole chicken to sacrifice can affect any outcome. Much of this is a hyperbole thread, and I'm going with the flow.
...Think about this for a moment. How do you stop the Patriots offense? You take away the long ball, and they have Welker, Watson, and the 3-headed running game, take away the middle, and they have Moss and Stallworth, take away the run game with 8 in the box and they have too many weapons to mention, try blitzing, Kevin Faulk, Sammy Morris, Watson dump passes and screens. What do you do?
Think about this for a moment. How do you stop the Cowboys offense? You take away the long ball and they have Witten, Owens and the 2 headed running game, take away the middle and Owens will still be open (unlike Moss he is not a 1 trick pony), and you also have to deal with Crayton, and Hurd, take away the run game with 8 in the box and they have too many weapons to mention, try blitzing, Marion Barber, Julius Jones, Witten dump passes and screens. What do you do?
Crayton and Hurd 10 receptions 172 yards 1 TDvs.

Welker and Stallworth 24 receptions 287 yards 1 TD

Moss has caught a couple over the middle too.

Dallas has Owens, Jones, Barber and Witten, there, I mentioned all 4 good targets/weapons.

Patriots have Moss, Welker, Faulk, Maroney, Morris, Watson, there, I mentioned all 6, 7 if you want to throw in Stallworth.

Dallas is not as well rounded as the Patriots. If you take Owens and Witten out of the game, they don't have much else in passing, if you take Moss and Watson out of the Patriots pass game they still have Welker and Stallworth, and don't forget Kevin Faulk.

Dallas has a damn fine offense this year, I just don't think it's on the level of this year's Patriots yet, add that together with the Patriots defense, and if the game was played this week in Dallas, the Cowboys would probably be getting 5 points.
My bad wasnt trying to single you out meant all Patriots fansIf anything it would be PK or Dallas +1 or +2 not 5 points.

 
I expect Dallas to have no answer for Moss... I am a cowboys fan.
Moss will have alligator arms with Roy Williams lurking.
Is Roy Williams going to be riding a bicycle, because otherwise how is he going to keep up with Moss when he can't keep up with most other receivers in coverage? :confused:
:goodposting: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Roy Williams is WAY overrated and a dirty POS
I know stats arent everything but look below. I will admit that Roy Williams does not excel in coverage but he does create alot of turnovers.The "elite" safeties and their stats through 3 games..

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Roy Williams

Tackles: 16

INTs: 2

FR: 1

PDef: 4

Ed Reed

Tackles: 5

INTs: 1

FR: 1

PDef: 3

Troy Polamalu

Tackles: 10

INTs: 0

FR: 0

PDef: 3

Sean Taylor

Tackles: 14

INTs: 1

FR: 0

PDef: 3

Brian Dawkins

Tackles: 7

INTs: 0

FR: 0

PDef: 1

Bob Sanders

Tackles: 24

INTs: 0

FR: 0

PDef: 1

Adrian Wilson

Tackles: 27

INTs: 0

FR: 0

PDef: 1

 
greenline said:
PatsFan72, The loss I was speaking of would be in Miami, in October. I don't think Mia will come up here and beat NE at home in the cold.
That loss to the fins was partly becuase Miami coaches had scouted the Pats defensive play calls using audio and vidoe tapes from previous games. I remember thinking that it was going to be a tough game becuase the Pats always struggle vs Miami. They were all over the Pats that entire game.
 
greenline said:
PatsFan72, The loss I was speaking of would be in Miami, in October. I don't think Mia will come up here and beat NE at home in the cold.
That loss to the fins was partly becuase Miami coaches had scouted the Pats defensive play calls using audio and vidoe tapes from previous games. I remember thinking that it was going to be a tough game becuase the Pats always struggle vs Miami. They were all over the Pats that entire game.
 
simmonjm said:
My bad wasnt trying to single you out meant all Patriots fansIf anything it would be PK or Dallas +1 or +2 not 5 points.
No problem. With the points, we'll never know, things will change by week 6, even if it does end up being +5 that doesn't mean it would have this week. I was just looking at the 7 points CIN is getting at home, and figured that Dallas would get a couple less right now.Either way, we're witnessing some great football this season, CLE scoring 51! Favre resurgence, McNabb answering back the negative press, good teams falling (SD, NO), bad teams rising (TB, GB, HOU), I've been looking forward to Sundays even more this year, and not just the Patriots' games. Every team has something interesting going on, which makes every match-up fun.
 
The question actually is... who will win?

>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3POT8n2Qk3g <<<

The *Pats.
Dirty hit by Wilfork to say the least. He won't be blowing by Leonard Davis so easily, and Romo is too mobile for that rhino.
Frankly, it looks to this Pats fan like Wilfork deliberately threw his elbow into the knee, as opposed to "falling into Losman" as I had read elsewhere....
Wilfork could have definitely fallen without smashing an elbow into Losman's knee. I can't believe that dirty hit hasn't gotten more media attention.
 
He threw out his elbow to brace his fall. I mean, this is JP Losman here. We want him in the game.

And Wilfork doesn't have a history at any level of football doing anything like this.

 
Pats win this game. Miami in Miami and the Indy game are the only possible losses.
:shrug: :crazy: :lmao:
tee hee hee hee.
Ya, the Steelers have no chance to win against NE, be serious. :banned:
I suppose the Steelers and all the other teams might just show up anyway, despite having no chance. Obviously, we'll have to see, but my guess is all 16 regular season games will get played.
 
I expect Dallas to have no answer for Moss... I am a cowboys fan.
Moss will have alligator arms with Roy Williams lurking.
Is Roy Williams going to be riding a bicycle, because otherwise how is he going to keep up with Moss when he can't keep up with most other receivers in coverage? :o
:thumbdown: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Roy Williams is WAY overrated and a dirty POS
I know stats arent everything but look below. I will admit that Roy Williams does not excel in coverage but he does create alot of turnovers.The "elite" safeties and their stats through 3 games..

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Roy Williams

Tackles: 16

INTs: 2

FR: 1

PDef: 4

Ed Reed

Tackles: 5

INTs: 1

FR: 1

PDef: 3

Troy Polamalu

Tackles: 10

INTs: 0

FR: 0

PDef: 3

Sean Taylor

Tackles: 14

INTs: 1

FR: 0

PDef: 3

Brian Dawkins

Tackles: 7

INTs: 0

FR: 0

PDef: 1

Bob Sanders

Tackles: 24

INTs: 0

FR: 0

PDef: 1

Adrian Wilson

Tackles: 27

INTs: 0

FR: 0

PDef: 1
Stats don't tell the true story, he gets beat deep more than Jason David, that is not a safety I would want playing on my team.... :no: I would take any safety on that list plus others over Williams....

 
Sheriff66 said:
I expect Dallas to have no answer for Moss... I am a cowboys fan.
Moss will have alligator arms with Roy Williams lurking.
Is Roy Williams going to be riding a bicycle, because otherwise how is he going to keep up with Moss when he can't keep up with most other receivers in coverage? :thumbup:
:sadbanana: :lmao: :bag: :lmao: Roy Williams is WAY overrated and a dirty POS
I know stats arent everything but look below. I will admit that Roy Williams does not excel in coverage but he does create alot of turnovers.The "elite" safeties and their stats through 3 games..

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Roy Williams

Tackles: 16

INTs: 2

FR: 1

PDef: 4

Ed Reed

Tackles: 5

INTs: 1

FR: 1

PDef: 3

Troy Polamalu

Tackles: 10

INTs: 0

FR: 0

PDef: 3

Sean Taylor

Tackles: 14

INTs: 1

FR: 0

PDef: 3

Brian Dawkins

Tackles: 7

INTs: 0

FR: 0

PDef: 1

Bob Sanders

Tackles: 24

INTs: 0

FR: 0

PDef: 1

Adrian Wilson

Tackles: 27

INTs: 0

FR: 0

PDef: 1
Stats don't tell the true story, he gets beat deep more than Jason David, that is not a safety I would want playing on my team.... :no: I would take any safety on that list plus others over Williams....
Thats funny stats dont tell the true story because it goes against what you want to believe. Im not here to say Roy Williams is the greatest safety in the NFL but he is immensely valuable in the run game and if utilized properly can be an asset in the pass game (by letting him sit on the underneath routes and blasting the WR's and TE's). I will agree that Roy does not have the speed to keep up with some of the faster WR's but he is a ball hawk.
 
This much is certain, Dallas is and will always be America's team.Why have they never closed the hole in the roof at Texas Stadium?Because on Sundays God likes to look down and watch his Dallas Cowboys.
Actually it's because they're afraid the hot air generated by that many Cowboy fans in one place might make it float right off.
 
Sheriff66 said:
I expect Dallas to have no answer for Moss... I am a cowboys fan.
Moss will have alligator arms with Roy Williams lurking.
Is Roy Williams going to be riding a bicycle, because otherwise how is he going to keep up with Moss when he can't keep up with most other receivers in coverage? :confused:
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Roy Williams is WAY overrated and a dirty POS
I know stats arent everything but look below. I will admit that Roy Williams does not excel in coverage but he does create alot of turnovers.The "elite" safeties and their stats through 3 games..

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Roy Williams

Tackles: 16

INTs: 2

FR: 1

PDef: 4

Ed Reed

Tackles: 5

INTs: 1

FR: 1

PDef: 3

Troy Polamalu

Tackles: 10

INTs: 0

FR: 0

PDef: 3

Sean Taylor

Tackles: 14

INTs: 1

FR: 0

PDef: 3

Brian Dawkins

Tackles: 7

INTs: 0

FR: 0

PDef: 1

Bob Sanders

Tackles: 24

INTs: 0

FR: 0

PDef: 1

Adrian Wilson

Tackles: 27

INTs: 0

FR: 0

PDef: 1
Stats don't tell the true story, he gets beat deep more than Jason David, that is not a safety I would want playing on my team.... :no: I would take any safety on that list plus others over Williams....
Thats funny stats dont tell the true story because it goes against what you want to believe. Im not here to say Roy Williams is the greatest safety in the NFL but he is immensely valuable in the run game and if utilized properly can be an asset in the pass game (by letting him sit on the underneath routes and blasting the WR's and TE's). I will agree that Roy does not have the speed to keep up with some of the faster WR's but he is a ball hawk.
Nice 3 game sampling BTW, that certainly tells the whole story about Roy... :rolleyes: The truth is ole' Roy gets beat deep on a regular basis, and that is a fact, I've never seen a "Pro Bowler" get roasted over the top as much as him. Polamalu, Reed and Sanders are great run support safeties and are ball hawks as well, but I don't not see them getting torched deep constantly like ole' Roy. Scumbag has to horse collar everyone because he can't keep up. You don't want to admit the truth, that is your issue, if you have a safety that is a liability in the passing game, what good is he ?

 
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Sheriff66 said:
I expect Dallas to have no answer for Moss... I am a cowboys fan.
Moss will have alligator arms with Roy Williams lurking.
Is Roy Williams going to be riding a bicycle, because otherwise how is he going to keep up with Moss when he can't keep up with most other receivers in coverage? :D
:stalker: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Roy Williams is WAY overrated and a dirty POS
I know stats arent everything but look below. I will admit that Roy Williams does not excel in coverage but he does create alot of turnovers.The "elite" safeties and their stats through 3 games..

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Roy Williams

Tackles: 16

INTs: 2

FR: 1

PDef: 4

Ed Reed

Tackles: 5

INTs: 1

FR: 1

PDef: 3

Troy Polamalu

Tackles: 10

INTs: 0

FR: 0

PDef: 3

Sean Taylor

Tackles: 14

INTs: 1

FR: 0

PDef: 3

Brian Dawkins

Tackles: 7

INTs: 0

FR: 0

PDef: 1

Bob Sanders

Tackles: 24

INTs: 0

FR: 0

PDef: 1

Adrian Wilson

Tackles: 27

INTs: 0

FR: 0

PDef: 1
Stats don't tell the true story, he gets beat deep more than Jason David, that is not a safety I would want playing on my team.... :no: I would take any safety on that list plus others over Williams....
Thats funny stats dont tell the true story because it goes against what you want to believe. Im not here to say Roy Williams is the greatest safety in the NFL but he is immensely valuable in the run game and if utilized properly can be an asset in the pass game (by letting him sit on the underneath routes and blasting the WR's and TE's). I will agree that Roy does not have the speed to keep up with some of the faster WR's but he is a ball hawk.
Nice 3 game sampling BTW, that certainly tells the whole story about Roy... :rolleyes: The truth is ole' Roy gets beat deep on a regular basis, and that is a fact, I've never seen a "Pro Bowler" get roasted over the top as much as him. Polamalu, Reed and Sanders are great run support safeties and are ball hawks as well, but I don't not see them getting torched deep constantly like ole' Roy. Scumbag has to horse collar everyone because he can't keep up. You don't want to admit the truth, that is your issue, if you have a safety that is a liability in the passing game, what good is he ?
You get beat deep because the QB and WR have the time to get deep...that'll change by week 6...
 
This much is certain, Dallas is and will always be America's team.
Great marketing ploy three decades ago, but it's used more often with derision and sarcasm than with respect today.
All football fans either hate Dallas or they love them and as a Cowboy fan I wouldn't want it any other way. They have and always will be America's team. Time for folks to deal with that. :stalker:
We're the Yankees of the NFL...love us or hate us, but we have more fans than any other team by far. I dare you to argue that statement...
 
We're the Yankees of the NFL...love us or hate us, but we have more fans than any other team by far. I dare you to argue that statement...
If you add "obnoxious" between "more" and "fans" then NO ONE will argue the statement.
 
We're the Yankees of the NFL...love us or hate us, but we have more fans than any other team by far. I dare you to argue that statement...
If you add "obnoxious" between "more" and "fans" then NO ONE will argue the statement.
I'm looking for the ######ed emoticon...such a blanket statement is too easy to combat when you have Philly, NE, and CHI fans out there...
 
We're the Yankees of the NFL...love us or hate us, but we have more fans than any other team by far. I dare you to argue that statement...
If you add "obnoxious" between "more" and "fans" then NO ONE will argue the statement.
All teams have tool fans. There is plenty of evidence in this thread of that. The tooliest fans always seem to be the most vocal.There are many great, passionate fans of teams like the Cowboys, Steelers, and Packers, but the loudest ones always get the most attention.
 
All teams have tool fans. There is plenty of evidence in this thread of that. The tooliest fans always seem to be the most vocal.There are many great, passionate fans of teams like the Cowboys, Steelers, and Packers, but the loudest ones always get the most attention.
:thumbdown: And I actually have a lot of respect for the Cowboys and don't begrudge their fans from celebrating their team or their fanbase. On the other hand, many people, and not just Cowboys fans, don't seem to recognize that being "obnoxious" -- to use the word I stated before -- doesn't make you look more clever or somehow make your perspective or opinion more correct, it just makes you look obnoxious. :lmao:
 
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This much is certain, Dallas is and will always be America's team.
Great marketing ploy three decades ago, but it's used more often with derision and sarcasm than with respect today.
All football fans either hate Dallas or they love them and as a Cowboy fan I wouldn't want it any other way. They have and always will be America's team. Time for folks to deal with that. :shrug:
You are so right, no other team has every fan in the NFL either Love or Hate them, sure allot of people hate NE cause they are the best as I speak. I doubt once their run is over anyone will give a #### about them (EX- THE 49ERS). As for Dallas a team that has not won a playoff game in 10 years people still hate them cause America loves to cheer or boo them. AMERICAS TEAM PERIOD!
 
How embarrassing. TO get's shutdown by the Rams defense. Don't look for Crayton to be able to run wild against New England.
Watch some real football, and get your nose out of stat sheets. TO wasn't even needed today, basically it was a bye week for him. Patrick Crayton stepped up, which should serve warning to you Patsy's that Dallas is a versatile team with any player capable of stepping up. Marion Barber wasn't even needed today either. The Dallas O-line dominated the Rams defense, and the Dallas defense smothered the Rams offense all day long.
 
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How 'bout them Cowboys!
And how bout them Patriots. Take out their RB1 and they still walk over the Bengals and shut down an offense that posted 6 TDs just a couple weeks ago... and that Defense will be picking up 2 more superstars before it's brief stop in Dallas on week 6.Pats 38 - Cowboys 20Go ahead and grab your ankles fellas....
 
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