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Dante Hall, Josh Cribbs or Eric Metcalf (1 Viewer)

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You have 1 minute left, the other team is about to punt it deep to your guy.

Who do you want back deep?

Cribbs, Metcalf or Hall?

I would take Metcalf, but that is only because I am a Longhorn homer :hifive:

 
Craig "iron head" Heyward...the chances that one would go back are so freakin' slim, I would love to trot the "big boy" out there, just to say, "yeah, you beat us...but try getting out of bed tomorrow".

 
Mel Gray

Sanders, Hester, Metcalf, Hall, Meggett would all be in there too.

 
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DeSean Jackson

Steve Smith, CAR

Devin Hester

And probably a couple other guys, but I want all of them before the three you mentioned.

 
If you need a score for the win, then you should probably go by PFR's list of the greatest TD scoring returners. On punt returns, the top three of all time were Jack Christiansen (8 TDs on 85 returns), Eric Metcalf (10 TDs on 351 punt returns), and Rick Upchurch (8 TDs on 248 punt returns). If you're just looking for the best possible field position for your offense to start at, then go with their all-around returners list, which would suggest either Billy Johnson (2 of the top 4 punt return single-seasons of all time) or Rick Upchurch (the best cumulative punt returner of all time).

If you'd rather go by awards, I believe that Rick Upchurch and Mel Gray are the only two players to earn 3 first team AP All Pro awards as a returner, although Upchurch made his for his punt returns while Gray made his for his kickoff returns.

If you just want to talk about recent guys at their peak, I'd pick Hall. If you just want to pick a player based on their performance today (i.e. a past-his-prime Hall), then Football Outsiders says that Philly has the best punt return unit in the NFL by a massive margin, so the pick would be Desean Jackson.

So there you go, clearly the answer is Jack Christianson, Eric Metcalf, Rick Upchurch, Billy Johnson, Dante Hall, or Desean Jackson.

 
You have 1 minute left, the other team is about to punt it deep to your guy.

Who do you want back deep?

Cribbs, Metcalf or Hall?

I would take Metcalf, but that is only because I am a Longhorn homer :lmao:
Who's my QB? That's a lot of time left, if I run it back with Hall does the other team have Mel Gray?
 
If you need a score for the win, then you should probably go by PFR's list of the greatest TD scoring returners. On punt returns, the top three of all time were Jack Christiansen (8 TDs on 85 returns), Eric Metcalf (10 TDs on 351 punt returns), and Rick Upchurch (8 TDs on 248 punt returns). If you're just looking for the best possible field position for your offense to start at, then go with their all-around returners list, which would suggest either Billy Johnson (2 of the top 4 punt return single-seasons of all time) or Rick Upchurch (the best cumulative punt returner of all time).

If you'd rather go by awards, I believe that Rick Upchurch and Mel Gray are the only two players to earn 3 first team AP All Pro awards as a returner, although Upchurch made his for his punt returns while Gray made his for his kickoff returns.

If you just want to talk about recent guys at their peak, I'd pick Hall. If you just want to pick a player based on their performance today (i.e. a past-his-prime Hall), then Football Outsiders says that Philly has the best punt return unit in the NFL by a massive margin, so the pick would be Desean Jackson.

So there you go, clearly the answer is Jack Christianson, Eric Metcalf, Rick Upchurch, Billy Johnson, Dante Hall, or Desean Jackson.
I found it amusing that on the PFR blog in the comment section someone asked which would come first:(A) a team having a 16-0 season

(B) the Bills winning a Super Bowl

© Tampa Bay returning a kickoff for a touchdown

Guess we found out.

As for the blog entry, it's now 2010 and that was posted in 2007. I wonder if Hester has since fallen some on the list . . .

 
Ah-h-h-h... Good times! The names bring back memories!

At the same time, Josh Cribbs is legit. He deserves to be amonst them, though he is frequently dismissed as an afterthought. He's got great vision, exceptional balance, and very underrated strength! :yawn:

 
This wouldnt even be a discussion if the Bears hadn't moved Hester to WR
Maybe, maybe not. Hester was a fumbler, and there's no way to say for sure that his demise as a returner was related to his move to WR, anyway. Historically, elite returners have rarely put together more than 2 elite seasons. Witness: Dante Hall.
 
Funny thing is is none of them would be kicked to.

Regardless, I'd go Hall here.

Hester if he were a choice. My 2nd would be young Tim Brown or young Joey Galloway. Haven't looked up stats but those two having also been top WRs had more duties? responsibility? than Hall and Hester and they were "killers" with big plays in the return game. I'm not sure how to deal with the top WR and only focusing on returns when evaluating but nonetheless I am fond of those two as my 2nd and 3rd.

 
I have just four words: Billy, White, Shoes, and Johnson.

I trust you can read between the lines. Elusiveness counts but so does toghness.

 
I'd like to see an in his prime Barry Sanders or let Chris Johnson have a whack at it. I know they aren't punt returners, but I have to think it is because they are too valuable as RBs.

I'd suggest the best punt returners may never get a chance. Bo Jackson would be fun to watch as well.

I'll take Barry.

 
I'd like to see an in his prime Barry Sanders or let Chris Johnson have a whack at it. I know they aren't punt returners, but I have to think it is because they are too valuable as RBs.I'd suggest the best punt returners may never get a chance. Bo Jackson would be fun to watch as well.I'll take Barry.
Typically, RB skills don't translate as well on punt returns as WR skills do. If you think historically, all of the best punt returners were listed as WRs or DBs, and all of the elite returners who were RBs (such as Gale Sayers) tended to lead the league in kickoffs, not punts. Last year was no exception. PFR lists the top 12 returners in terms of yards per punt return, and all 12 were WRs. PFR lists the top 10 in total yards, and all 10 were WRs. PFR lists the top 13 in number of attempts, and 11 of them were WRs (2 were DBs). If you think about it, the only punt returner of any note who plays RB is... Reggie Bush, who people always say is more of a WR playing RB (and playing it poorly, I might add). Likewise, kickoffs are typically the domain of RBs- the only WR who excelled on kickoffs was Percy Harvin... who played RB his senior season in college.Anyway, the point I'm getting at is that, if you were going to pick someone who wasn't historically a returner, you should focus on WRs and DBs instead of RBs. For instance, I'd imagine that Lance Alworth could have been an all-time great punt returner if he'd done a bit more of it (he only returned 29 punts, all of which came in his first two seasons as a starter). On the defensive side, I'd think that Champ Bailey and Ed Reed could have been all-world returners. As a dark horse... DeAngelo Hall is a terrible DB, but he's electric with the ball in his hands, and I think he also could have been a great returner. I think teams should do the reverse Devin Hester on him- instead of transitioning him from returner to starter, teams should transition Hall from starter to returner.
 
I'd like to see an in his prime Barry Sanders or let Chris Johnson have a whack at it. I know they aren't punt returners, but I have to think it is because they are too valuable as RBs.I'd suggest the best punt returners may never get a chance. Bo Jackson would be fun to watch as well.I'll take Barry.
Typically, RB skills don't translate as well on punt returns as WR skills do.
In general, you've got a good point, but general rules don't apply to Barry. He was a terrific punt returner in college, and would have also been in the pros, if given the chance.
 
Coming from one who lived to watch NFL Films on Saturday afternoons in the 70's/80's, Rick Upchurch was pretty special.

 
Coming from one who lived to watch NFL Films on Saturday afternoons in the 70's/80's, Rick Upchurch was pretty special.
I've said before that if the Hall of Fame insists on electing a special teamer (and the fact that they keep flirting with Guy and Tasker suggests that they are serious about electing a special teamer at some point), then the #1 choice should be Rick Upchurch. Elite returners are worth far more than elite gunners, and I'd say they're worth more than elite punters, too (would you rather have 2007 Devin Hester or 2009 Shane Lechler? I'd take Hester, no question). Rick Upchurch was one of the three greatest returners of all time (along with Mel Gray and White Shoes). Of the three, Rick Upchurch provided the most additional value on offense to complement his return value (Upchurch had 69 starts, 27 offensive TDs, and averaged 40 yards of offense per game). I don't necessarily believe that special teamers should be in the Hall of Fame, but if you're going to elect one, then elect Rick Upchurch.
 
Coming from one who lived to watch NFL Films on Saturday afternoons in the 70's/80's, Rick Upchurch was pretty special.
I've said before that if the Hall of Fame insists on electing a special teamer (and the fact that they keep flirting with Guy and Tasker suggests that they are serious about electing a special teamer at some point), then the #1 choice should be Rick Upchurch. Elite returners are worth far more than elite gunners, and I'd say they're worth more than elite punters, too (would you rather have 2007 Devin Hester or 2009 Shane Lechler? I'd take Hester, no question). Rick Upchurch was one of the three greatest returners of all time (along with Mel Gray and White Shoes). Of the three, Rick Upchurch provided the most additional value on offense to complement his return value (Upchurch had 69 starts, 27 offensive TDs, and averaged 40 yards of offense per game). I don't necessarily believe that special teamers should be in the Hall of Fame, but if you're going to elect one, then elect Rick Upchurch.
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2006 Devin Hester. The only reason the Bears were REALLY good that year. Check the field position starting points...simply insane.

 

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