Darren McFadden's turf toes is "really bothering him" (1 Viewer)

[gbill2004]

Raiders coach Lane Kiffin revealed Thursday that Darren McFadden's turf toe "is really bothering him" again. McFadden only took part in a limited portion of practice Thursday."McFadden was limited which was kind of a surprise to us," Kiffin said. "We thought we’d have him out here for more." McFadden hobbled on the toe making his way to the practice field, then was only able to practice at three quarters speed. McFadden is reportedly still expected to start Week 4, but may need to do more in Friday's practice for that to be a sure thing. Source: Oakland Tribune

 

[flapgreen]

having turf toe this early in his career is bad

 

[fflnut]

http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2008/09...cfadden-return/

Defensive end Derrick Burgess, cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha and running back Darren McFadden were suited up and heading to the practice field as drills and warmups concluded Thursday.

All missed practice the previous day. For what it’s worth, McFadden looked as if he were walking on hot coals.

 

[SuperJohn96]

WTF is turf toe anyway?

 

[EBF]

This will give all the fanboys an excuse for why his career will be such a disappointment.

"If he hadn't gotten turf toe..."

 

[sholditch]

I'm sure you are loving life EBF. Guys, LT had turf toe and is already over it. It will take him a few games, that's all. Also, that article wasn't nearly as pessimistic as rotoworld made it sound.

 

[-baller]

I'm sure you are loving life EBF. Guys, LT had turf toe and is already over it. It will take him a few games, that's all. Also, that article wasn't nearly as pessimistic as rotoworld made it sound.

yeah, he was over it 2 weeks ago, meanwhile he just put up 67 yards on 26 carries vs the jets.

 

[Burning Sensation]

This will give all the fanboys an excuse for why his career will be such a disappointment. "If he hadn't gotten turf toe..."

Coming from the guy who makes excuse after excuse for his guys when they are not panning out.

 

[Phurfur]

I'm sure you are loving life EBF. Guys, LT had turf toe and is already over it. It will take him a few games, that's all. Also, that article wasn't nearly as pessimistic as rotoworld made it sound.

Don't kid yourself, turf toe can last an entire season if not longer.

 

[wholligans]

I had turf toe once and it lasted a full year. It only hurt when I played football.

 

[EBF]

This will give all the fanboys an excuse for why his career will be such a disappointment.

"If he hadn't gotten turf toe..."

Coming from the guy who makes excuse after excuse for his guys when they are not panning out.

Examples?

 

[purestrength]

Does this latest news make Michael Bush start-worthy is deep leagues?

 

[JetMaxx]

Thrilled I used Darren McFallen to acquire AJ in a dynasty. Between the chicken legs, the crazy owner, and the turf toe I can't say I have buyer's regrets.

 

[gregjcross]

Thrilled I used Darren McFallen to acquire AJ in a dynasty. Between the chicken legs, the crazy owner, and the turf toe I can't say I have buyer's regrets.

While AJ always looks great, What has he ever done to lead a team into fantasy playoffs? Seems like he dissapoints every single year. I dont know you can consider it a winner trade just yet.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

This will give all the fanboys an excuse for why his career will be such a disappointment. "If he hadn't gotten turf toe..."

Very true

 

[Tanner9919]

Does this latest news make Michael Bush start-worthy is deep leagues?

Someone is going to rush the ball for Oakland, Bush could be a sneaky start this weekend.they have the bye coming up soon, I'd hope that McFadden can get healthy during the week off, but I doubt it will help him at all..anytime a guy wears a protective boot one week, and then goes out the following week and admits his toe is bothering him,and is seen walking with a limp because of it, red flags go up all over the place..I highly doubt McFadden will make it back to full strength this season...toe injuries linger for a long, long time...Bush is no great RB, but Oak has an incredibly easy schedule against the run the remainder of the season..games against KC, Denver, Jets, N.O., Atl, NE, Houston, Miami, SD ( 2x). If the toe problem lingers, Fargas will get back to the #1 spot, eventually..but Bush might be a decent play this weekend..

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

I just dropped Bush

If that turf toe lingers, he may be better than bench of Pittman and Thomas.

 

[RobMexico]

Fargas and Bush are both available in my league... who's a better pickup for the rest of the year? (not just the next couple weeks)

I'd have to drop Sammy Morris.... he's a bum!

 

[DaddyFatSacks]

Fargas and Bush are both available in my league... who's a better pickup for the rest of the year? (not just the next couple weeks)I'd have to drop Sammy Morris.... he's a bum!

FargasIf all things were equal and Mc wasn't hurt Fargas would still see about 60-70% of the snaps (when healthy) over the other two. Notice I said snaps not carry's. His pass blocking and ability to recieve out of the backfield give him the leg up for the rest of the year. It is my opinion that Fargas will be a nice RB2 or flex play when he gets back from the groin injury.

 

[menobrown]

This will give all the fanboys an excuse for why his career will be such a disappointment. "If he hadn't gotten turf toe..."

You said before LT was about the perfect back on your system. How did he fare with his toe hurt?

 

[sholditch]

I just think it's pretty hilarious (and obvious wishful thinking on EBF's part) to already be calling it a career. Seriously, the amount of utter crap that floats around this place has gotten out of hand.

 

[hardcoredx]

Bush is 3x better than Fargas and the future of the Raiders running game IMO. Mac with bad toes this early in his career is a bad sign and he doesn't appear to have the ability to carry a full load like Bush. Bush would have been a high first round pick had it not been for his injury.Oakland kept him underwrapped last season, the Raiders are very very high on Bush. Don't sleep on him

 

[LILB811]

Bush is 3x better than Fargas and the future of the Raiders running game IMO. Mac with bad toes this early in his career is a bad sign and he doesn't appear to have the ability to carry a full load like Bush. Bush would have been a high first round pick had it not been for his injury.Oakland kept him underwrapped last season, the Raiders are very very high on Bush. Don't sleep on him

Fargas ran for over 1000 yards last year, and the team gave him a 3 year, $12 million contract in the offseason. So far this year McFadden is averaging 5.7 ypc, Fargas is averaging 5.2 ypc, and Bush is averaging 4.8 ypc. I don't know if the Raiders have a specific plan for the future, but I do know that they like all 3 of these guys and for good reason. The Raiders will run a lot and I think all 3 of these guys have value (McFadden the most). It just may be difficult to predict when each guy will have a big game. This week I'm high on Bush.

 

[menobrown]

Bush is 3x better than Fargas and the future of the Raiders running game IMO. Mac with bad toes this early in his career is a bad sign and he doesn't appear to have the ability to carry a full load like Bush. Bush would have been a high first round pick had it not been for his injury.Oakland kept him underwrapped last season, the Raiders are very very high on Bush. Don't sleep on him

Please. Mcfadden has a toe that's not even causing him to miss a game and a bunch of you are acting like his career is over or he can't carry the load and he's not even missed a game yet in his professional or collegiate career. Fargas is sidelined. Bush was sidelined in college and got a redshirt last year because he was either not healty or not very good but somehow it's Mcfadden who can't carry the load? If the Raiders were so high on Bush they would not have resigned Fargas AND drafted Mcfadden. Bush is a big slow dime a dozen back. If he had any value it will be in the very short term filling in for the the other two Raiders RB's who are ahead of him on the depth chart because they are simply more talented.

 

[Power Monster]

I just think it's pretty hilarious (and obvious wishful thinking on EBF's part) to already be calling it a career. Seriously, the amount of utter crap that floats around this place has gotten out of hand.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Bush is 3x better than Fargas and the future of the Raiders running game IMO. Mac with bad toes this early in his career is a bad sign and he doesn't appear to have the ability to carry a full load like Bush. Bush would have been a high first round pick had it not been for his injury.Oakland kept him underwrapped last season, the Raiders are very very high on Bush. Don't sleep on him

Bullcrap. He was getting a lot of college hype because he's very big & fast for his size and that makes you dominant in college. He has no lateral movement, and is not nearly as strong as say, Jacobs. He's more of a Dayne/Duckett type back, and while he looks a little better than I originally gave him credit for, he's still not anything more than an NFL spot starter, and should be rostered as Dayne/Duckett should be.Fargas is currently (injuries aside of course) the best RB on the Raiders, and possibly the best player on the entire offense.

 

[belljr]

WTF is turf toe anyway?

Turf toe is a condition of pain at the base of the big toe, located at the ball of the foot. The condition is usually caused from either jamming the toe, or pushing off repeatedly when running or jumping. The most common complaint is pain at the base of the toe, but you may also have symptoms of stiffness and swelling.The name turf toe comes from the fact that this injury is especially common among athletes who play on artificial turf. The hard surface of artificial turf, combined with running and jumping in football and soccer, make turf toe a frequent consequence of artificial turn play. There has also been some blame on athletic footwear. The more flexible shoes, especially used in competition, provides less support to the forefoot joints, possibly contributing to the prevalence of turf toe.What happens to the toe in turf toe?When a player sustains a turf toe injury they are actually tearing the capsule that surrounds the joint at the base of the toe. Tearing this joint capsule can be extremely painful. Furthermore, tear of the joint capsule can lead to instability and even dislocation of the joint at the base of the toe. This may lead to accelerated cartilage wear and arthritis of the big toe (hallux rigidus).How is turf toe diagnosed? Turf toe is diagnosed based primarily on the physical examination of the patient. Making the diagnosis of turf toe is not difficult, but x-rays may be taken to ensure there is no fracture or evidence of arthritis.What is the treatment of turf toe?Treatment of turf toe consists of trying to control the inflammation of the joint capsule. The most important aspect of treatment is to rest the sore toe to allow the inflammation is subside and the joint capsule to heal. In addition to resting the toe, inflammation can be controlled by icing the area, and elevating the foot, and anti-inflammatory medications.Athletes diagnosed with turf toe should avoid their sport for about three weeks to allow the joint capsule to heal. Once returning to activities, special footwear inserts can be used to limit the motion of the big toe and prevent further damage to the joint capsule. Ask your doctor to evaluate your feet for possible inserts that can control motion of the inflamed joint.Will turf toe return?Unfortunately, turf toe can return, and rehabilitation may be slow. Most athletes have trouble when they try to come back to sports too soon after sustaining a turf toe injury. Surgery is rarely needed for treatment of turf toe, but in certain cases it may be helpful. If a bone spur forms, and severely limits motion of the toe joint, surgery to remove the spur may be helpful.

I had this one year in HS - it hurt for 3 weeks bad. I couldn't wear a normal shoe for 3 or 4 days. I did it during basketball

 

[EBF]

This will give all the fanboys an excuse for why his career will be such a disappointment. "If he hadn't gotten turf toe..."

You said before LT was about the perfect back on your system. How did he fare with his toe hurt?

LT is the best back to ever play the game. He's also 29 years old with nearly 3,000 NFL touches to his credit. You wouldn't expect a guy like that to bounce back from an injury the same way that a 21 year old with low mileage should be able to. I don't think the turf toe will derail McFadden's career beyond this season. The reason I think he'll be a disappointment in the long run has nothing to do with turf toe.

 

[davearm]

Justin Fargas has been in Oakland for six years now, and in that time he's been behind such luminaries as Lamont Jordan, Amos Zereoue, Tyrone Wheatley, and Charlie Garner on the Raiders' depth chart. Let's not make the guy out to be more than he is -- a backup.

I think the Raiders like him because he's a veteran that knows their system, and last year he showed he can be reasonably productive with an increased workload. But in the NFL, guys with 3 year contracts often get cut after the first year, and that's exactly what I'd expect to see happen if the Raiders can establish an effective rotation with McFadden and Bush this year. Those are the two RBs the Raiders are highest on -- McFadden mostly.

 

[EBF]

I just think it's pretty hilarious (and obvious wishful thinking on EBF's part) to already be calling it a career. Seriously, the amount of utter crap that floats around this place has gotten out of hand.

I was calling it a career before the Raiders even picked him. What we do around here is speculate. My opinion all along has been that McFadden is hugely overrated and is destined to be a disappointment for those who expect him to become the next great back.

 

[Chaka]

Bush is 3x better than Fargas and the future of the Raiders running game IMO. Mac with bad toes this early in his career is a bad sign and he doesn't appear to have the ability to carry a full load like Bush. Bush would have been a high first round pick had it not been for his injury.Oakland kept him underwrapped last season, the Raiders are very very high on Bush. Don't sleep on him

Please. Mcfadden has a toe that's not even causing him to miss a game and a bunch of you are acting like his career is over or he can't carry the load and he's not even missed a game yet in his professional or collegiate career. Fargas is sidelined. Bush was sidelined in college and got a redshirt last year because he was either not healty or not very good but somehow it's Mcfadden who can't carry the load? If the Raiders were so high on Bush they would not have resigned Fargas AND drafted Mcfadden. Bush is a big slow dime a dozen back. If he had any value it will be in the very short term filling in for the the other two Raiders RB's who are ahead of him on the depth chart because they are simply more talented.

I think you are dramatically underestimating Bush's talent. This was a Heisman/first-round-draft-choice caliber running back before having his tibia broken on a horse collar tackle. If it were a knee injury I could see the argument that he may have lost some of his burst but a broken tibia is not that kind of injury. He has the size, power and speed to be an every down back in this league.Fargas signed his extension long before the draft (Feb 13, 2008), so it is difficult to say if he would have gotten the same contract had they known they would get McFadden.The fact that they still chose to draft McFadden even with two backs in the fold is hardly surprising considering Al's love of speed.

 

[Chaka]

Justin Fargas has been in Oakland for six years now, and in that time he's been behind such luminaries as Lamont Jordan, Amos Zereoue, Tyrone Wheatley, and Charlie Garner on the Raiders' depth chart. Let's not make the guy out to be more than he is -- a backup.I think the Raiders like him because he's a veteran that knows their system, and last year he showed he can be reasonably productive with an increased workload. But in the NFL, guys with 3 year contracts often get cut after the first year, and that's exactly what I'd expect to see happen if the Raiders can establish an effective rotation with McFadden and Bush this year. Those are the two RBs the Raiders are highest on -- McFadden mostly.

I think this is a good point about Fargas. I am a big fan of his but the truth is that if he were going to be an impact running back in the NFL it would have happened already. We can blame it on health or whatever you want but the fact is that very, very few running backs emerge after their sixth season and continue to produce at a high level (Lorenzo White syndrome). Fortunately for Fargas is the fact that he plays for a team that can flat out run and is committed to rely heavily on the run game. The bad news is that he can't seem to stay healthy long enough to take advantage of that.

 

[Delusions Of Adequacy]

Bush is 3x better than Fargas and the future of the Raiders running game IMO. Mac with bad toes this early in his career is a bad sign and he doesn't appear to have the ability to carry a full load like Bush. Bush would have been a high first round pick had it not been for his injury.Oakland kept him underwrapped last season, the Raiders are very very high on Bush. Don't sleep on him

Interesting comments, given that Bush has 30 career carries in the NFL.

 

[Phurfur]

Thrilled I used Darren McFallen to acquire AJ in a dynasty. Between the chicken legs, the crazy owner, and the turf toe I can't say I have buyer's regrets.

Good luck with that one. I am sure the other guy is thrilled too.

This will give all the fanboys an excuse for why his career will be such a disappointment.

"If he hadn't gotten turf toe..."

You said before LT was about the perfect back on your system. How did he fare with his toe hurt?

LT is the best back to ever play the game. He's also 29 years old with nearly 3,000 NFL touches to his credit. You wouldn't expect a guy like that to bounce back from an injury the same way that a 21 year old with low mileage should be able to. I don't think the turf toe will derail McFadden's career beyond this season. The reason I think he'll be a disappointment in the long run has nothing to do with turf toe.

No he isn't.

 

[Statler & Waldorf]

This will give all the fanboys an excuse for why his career will be such a disappointment.

"If he hadn't gotten turf toe..."

You said before LT was about the perfect back on your system. How did he fare with his toe hurt?

LT is the best back to ever play the game. He's also 29 years old with nearly 3,000 NFL touches to his credit. You wouldn't expect a guy like that to bounce back from an injury the same way that a 21 year old with low mileage should be able to. I don't think the turf toe will derail McFadden's career beyond this season. The reason I think he'll be a disappointment in the long run has nothing to do with turf toe.

He's top 10. Not THE best, but one of the best. The best is up for argument, but not one I won't to get in on this thread. Sorry for the hijack.

 

[menobrown]

Bush is 3x better than Fargas and the future of the Raiders running game IMO. Mac with bad toes this early in his career is a bad sign and he doesn't appear to have the ability to carry a full load like Bush. Bush would have been a high first round pick had it not been for his injury.Oakland kept him underwrapped last season, the Raiders are very very high on Bush. Don't sleep on him

Please. Mcfadden has a toe that's not even causing him to miss a game and a bunch of you are acting like his career is over or he can't carry the load and he's not even missed a game yet in his professional or collegiate career. Fargas is sidelined. Bush was sidelined in college and got a redshirt last year because he was either not healty or not very good but somehow it's Mcfadden who can't carry the load? If the Raiders were so high on Bush they would not have resigned Fargas AND drafted Mcfadden. Bush is a big slow dime a dozen back. If he had any value it will be in the very short term filling in for the the other two Raiders RB's who are ahead of him on the depth chart because they are simply more talented.

I think you are dramatically underestimating Bush's talent. This was a Heisman/first-round-draft-choice caliber running back before having his tibia broken on a horse collar tackle. If it were a knee injury I could see the argument that he may have lost some of his burst but a broken tibia is not that kind of injury. He has the size, power and speed to be an every down back in this league.Fargas signed his extension long before the draft (Feb 13, 2008), so it is difficult to say if he would have gotten the same contract had they known they would get McFadden.

The fact that they still chose to draft McFadden even with two backs in the fold is hardly surprising considering Al's love of speed.

Regarding the bolded part I don't think so but time will tell. I'm just going off of what my eye tells me and to me he looks slow and never looked fast. A lot of you keep saying he was going to be a first round draft choice and you just don't know that with any degree of certainity. Every year in the draft guys who came into the season as projected first round picks take big falls, often falling all the way into the second day. To me he's TJ Duckett/Dayne/Lendale White type of talent which is to say serviceable at best. And for what it's worth I have him on as many fantasy rosters as Mcfadden because sometimes you need serviceable but for fantasy purposes I'd be just as happy, if not more so, to see Bush explode as I would Mcfadden but I don't see it in Bush. He ran okay the Chiefs when they were already worn down just like Duckett did this past week but so far I'm not seeing anything about him to make me believe he's anything other than serviceable.

 

[jurrassic]

The fact is that the NFL is a business. McFadden is the #4 pick, has been paid alot of money, and has the name recognition and explosive play ability to put people in the seats. Fargas is a proven running back commidity, and has just signed a contract extension. Bush was a solid value pick in the draft last year, but the business side of the NFL will require the other two backs to failure before Bush gets a real opportunity.

 

[Da Guru]

Justin Fargas has been in Oakland for six years now, and in that time he's been behind such luminaries as Lamont Jordan, Amos Zereoue, Tyrone Wheatley, and Charlie Garner on the Raiders' depth chart. Let's not make the guy out to be more than he is -- a backup.I think the Raiders like him because he's a veteran that knows their system, and last year he showed he can be reasonably productive with an increased workload. But in the NFL, guys with 3 year contracts often get cut after the first year, and that's exactly what I'd expect to see happen if the Raiders can establish an effective rotation with McFadden and Bush this year. Those are the two RBs the Raiders are highest on -- McFadden mostly.

I think this is a good point about Fargas. I am a big fan of his but the truth is that if he were going to be an impact running back in the NFL it would have happened already. We can blame it on health or whatever you want but the fact is that very, very few running backs emerge after their sixth season and continue to produce at a high level (Lorenzo White syndrome). Fortunately for Fargas is the fact that he plays for a team that can flat out run and is committed to rely heavily on the run game. The bad news is that he can't seem to stay healthy long enough to take advantage of that.

The problem is that Fargas has bird legs. McFadden has bad toes. Bush may win by default.

 

[davearm]

The fact is that the NFL is a business. McFadden is the #4 pick, has been paid alot of money, and has the name recognition and explosive play ability to put people in the seats. Fargas is a proven running back commidity, and has just signed a contract extension. Bush was a solid value pick in the draft last year, but the business side of the NFL will require the other two backs to failure before Bush gets a real opportunity.

The business side of the NFL also motivates coaches to play the guys that give them the best chance to win, thereby maximizing their own personal earning potential.

 

[Chachi]

Thrilled I used Darren McFallen to acquire AJ in a dynasty. Between the chicken legs, the crazy owner, and the turf toe I can't say I have buyer's regrets.

Good luck with that one. I am sure the other guy is thrilled too.

This will give all the fanboys an excuse for why his career will be such a disappointment.

"If he hadn't gotten turf toe..."

You said before LT was about the perfect back on your system. How did he fare with his toe hurt?

LT is the best back to ever play the game. He's also 29 years old with nearly 3,000 NFL touches to his credit. You wouldn't expect a guy like that to bounce back from an injury the same way that a 21 year old with low mileage should be able to. I don't think the turf toe will derail McFadden's career beyond this season. The reason I think he'll be a disappointment in the long run has nothing to do with turf toe.

No he isn't.

I was about to point out both points myself.

 

[Chachi]

It's sad to see someone (EBF) rooting so hard against a guy just so he can say "I told you so". I thought Forte was going to be a complete and utter bust but I was never rooting against him and can admit I was way off on that prediction.

 

[Chaka]

Thrilled I used Darren McFallen to acquire AJ in a dynasty. Between the chicken legs, the crazy owner, and the turf toe I can't say I have buyer's regrets.

Good luck with that one. I am sure the other guy is thrilled too.

This will give all the fanboys an excuse for why his career will be such a disappointment.

"If he hadn't gotten turf toe..."

You said before LT was about the perfect back on your system. How did he fare with his toe hurt?

LT is the best back to ever play the game. He's also 29 years old with nearly 3,000 NFL touches to his credit. You wouldn't expect a guy like that to bounce back from an injury the same way that a 21 year old with low mileage should be able to. I don't think the turf toe will derail McFadden's career beyond this season. The reason I think he'll be a disappointment in the long run has nothing to do with turf toe.

No he isn't.

I was about to point out both points myself.

It is difficult to imagine a fan of the NFL thinking that LT does not belong in the discussion.

 

[Chaka]

It's sad to see someone (EBF) rooting so hard against a guy just so he can say "I told you so". I thought Forte was going to be a complete and utter bust but I was never rooting against him and can admit I was way off on that prediction.

Way off on that prediction, so far.The book is not closed on any of the rookie RB careers.

 

[Chachi]

I just think it's pretty hilarious (and obvious wishful thinking on EBF's part) to already be calling it a career. Seriously, the amount of utter crap that floats around this place has gotten out of hand.

It's to the point of being annoying. We got EBF on a campaign of bashing McFadden every chance he gets, We got Fanatic looking silly by ripping Reggie Bush constantly and changing his problems with Bush as he gets proven wrong time after time, We had idiots in the AP injury thread last week with their dancing bananas who owned Chester Taylor and a whole bunch more garbage along these lines. The shark pool is so full of piss my eyes are burning.

 

[sholditch]

I just think it's pretty hilarious (and obvious wishful thinking on EBF's part) to already be calling it a career. Seriously, the amount of utter crap that floats around this place has gotten out of hand.

It's to the point of being annoying. We got EBF on a campaign of bashing McFadden every chance he gets, We got Fanatic looking silly by ripping Reggie Bush constantly and changing his problems with Bush as he gets proven wrong time after time, We had idiots in the AP injury thread last week with their dancing bananas who owned Chester Taylor and a whole bunch more garbage along these lines. The shark pool is so full of piss my eyes are burning.

Don't forget the return of Ricky spelling the end of RB's career, Ray Rice making McGahee redundant, and Stewart starting the 1st game over DWill. Every year it gets more and more ridiculous. Rotoworld is partly to blame for twisting every negative comment, significant or insignificant, into whatever fits their yearly projections, but people need to do a better job of thinking in terms of the NFL, not fantasy.

 

[Cookiemonster]

I think you are dramatically underestimating Bush's talent. This was a Heisman/first-round-draft-choice caliber running back before having his tibia broken on a horse collar tackle. If it were a knee injury I could see the argument that he may have lost some of his burst but a broken tibia is not that kind of injury. He has the size, power and speed to be an every down back in this league.

Fargas signed his extension long before the draft (Feb 13, 2008), so it is difficult to say if he would have gotten the same contract had they known they would get McFadden.

The fact that they still chose to draft McFadden even with two backs in the fold is hardly surprising considering Al's love of speed.

So, because of an injury that shouldn't have long-term, negative effects on his career, he slipped 3 rounds? I don't think GM's are that dumb, unless you count Millen or Al Davis, and one of those two drafted him. McGahee went in the 1st even with his severly screwed-up knee putting his long-term availability in question. Bush was a 3rd round talent at best and the break should have pushed him to day 2.As far as Fargas' late coming-out-party, how much of that has had to do with the injuries sustained in college & the pros? He also looks like he's put on 10 lbs or so since he's been in the league. He may have lost a step, but he's gotten much more powerful, especially over the last 3 years & I was one who was saying that he should have been the starter in '06.

 

[LILB811]

I think you are dramatically underestimating Bush's talent. This was a Heisman/first-round-draft-choice caliber running back before having his tibia broken on a horse collar tackle. If it were a knee injury I could see the argument that he may have lost some of his burst but a broken tibia is not that kind of injury. He has the size, power and speed to be an every down back in this league.

Fargas signed his extension long before the draft (Feb 13, 2008), so it is difficult to say if he would have gotten the same contract had they known they would get McFadden.

The fact that they still chose to draft McFadden even with two backs in the fold is hardly surprising considering Al's love of speed.

So, because of an injury that shouldn't have long-term, negative effects on his career, he slipped 3 rounds? I don't think GM's are that dumb, unless you count Millen or Al Davis, and one of those two drafted him.

He was taken with the first pick in the 4th round, 100th overall. Teams knew he would miss at least a year from the start. The only other player that had a similar situation was McGahee, and before his injury he was a top 5 pick. I'd say Bush was a low first round draft choice and the injury dropped him about 70 picks. I don't think it's that unreasonable.

 

[Cookiemonster]

I think you are dramatically underestimating Bush's talent. This was a Heisman/first-round-draft-choice caliber running back before having his tibia broken on a horse collar tackle. If it were a knee injury I could see the argument that he may have lost some of his burst but a broken tibia is not that kind of injury. He has the size, power and speed to be an every down back in this league.

Fargas signed his extension long before the draft (Feb 13, 2008), so it is difficult to say if he would have gotten the same contract had they known they would get McFadden.

The fact that they still chose to draft McFadden even with two backs in the fold is hardly surprising considering Al's love of speed.

So, because of an injury that shouldn't have long-term, negative effects on his career, he slipped 3 rounds? I don't think GM's are that dumb, unless you count Millen or Al Davis, and one of those two drafted him.

He was taken with the first pick in the 4th round, 100th overall. Teams knew he would miss at least a year from the start. The only other player that had a similar situation was McGahee, and before his injury he was a top 5 pick. I'd say Bush was a low first round draft choice and the injury dropped him about 70 picks. I don't think it's that unreasonable.

They didn't "know he'd miss the whole year," and, in fact Bush said himself that he was good enough to play the 2nd 1/2 of '07, but the Raiders' just I.R.'d him 'cause they had enough backs on the roster. If Bush had been a 1st round talent, coming off of a broken lower-leg bone, he wouldn't have lasted 'till the 3rd, let alone the 4th (though you can argue that the 1st pick in the 4th is not all that far from the 3rd either).

 

[Hammerage]

Turf toes can be tricky. Hard to say but I suspect this will impact McFaddens performance most of the year as it is often hard to get the inflammation down without significant rest. Interestingly one of the reasons that Fargas has struggled/been a back up until last year is that he had at least a 2 year stretch where he was battling the same turf toe problem. He always had potential with actually very good speed for an RB but couldn't get on the field consistently and when he did he couldn't cut and move like he needed to be effective.

 

[Burning Sensation]

I just think it's pretty hilarious (and obvious wishful thinking on EBF's part) to already be calling it a career. Seriously, the amount of utter crap that floats around this place has gotten out of hand.

I cant blame EBF for his Mcfadden hate. He has been blasting us with BMI all offseason, as if he has found the cure for cancer. So far it is backfiring in his face. His rookie rankings from a few months ago went very much against the grain based mostly, if not entirely on BMI. Having Ray Rice ahead of Matt Forte, Tashard Choice ahead of Chris Johnson, stating that Steve Slaton will never be a full time back and not even ranking him in the top 24 rookies, due to his size/BMI. Imagine what will happen if his BMI poster boys(Mcfadden/Mendenhall) also blows up in his face? I understand EBF's Mcfadden hate campaign, his credibility is on the line.