Darrent Williams (1 Viewer)

[thatguy]

When Dallas was pinned on their own 3, Bledsoe rolled out to the right and Darrent tackles him on about the 2. Should have been a sack, but he hasn't yet been given credit for it in any boxscores. What gives? Is it because Bledsoe had tucked it and made up his mind to run? Does that make it a tackle for loss rather than a sack? I'm pissed.

 

[thatguy]

Anyone know the ruling here? Anyone at all? I would think tackling the QB behind the line of scrimmage on an obvious pass play is a sack, unless the scorers take 'intentions' into account. Which seems silly, because a lot of times a QB will be running toward the line, appearing to run, but then stop just short of the line and throw. I want Darrent to get his sack damn it.

 

[P Boy]

I'm in the same situation & I could use the pts from the sack also.

Here's how nfl.com has listed the play:

Dallas Cowboys at 10:28

1-10-DAL 3 (10:28) 11-D.Bledsoe right end to DAL 2 for -1 yards (27-Da.Williams).

But I thought there was no question Bledsoe was attempting the throw & rolled right before Williams caught up with him. Sure looks like a sack to me...

 

[Weiner Dog]

I'll probably never fully understand the stat-scoring system used by the NFL. How are they able to "read" Bledsoe's mind and determine whether he was intending to rush or forced to rush?!?!?This seems to happen each and every game (ie. a QB is tackled behind the line of scrimmage but is not deemed a sack).

 

[P Boy]

I'll probably never fully understand the stat-scoring system used by the NFL. How are they able to "read" Bledsoe's mind and determine whether he was intending to rush or forced to rush?!?!?

This seems to happen each and every game (ie. a QB is tackled behind the line of scrimmage but is not deemed a sack).

It's supposed to be determined by the intent of the play at the onset of the play. If a QB drops back to pass, scrambles, and doesn't get back to the LoS, that is supposed to be a sack. If a QB never makes an intent to throw - either through handoff, a QB sneak, or a QB draw, then the negative play should be charged against the rushing numbers.That's my understanding of the way stats are kept.

 

[trader jake]

right after the play cbs listed darren williams with a sack (in the little stats box next to the score & time clock in the upper corner of the screen)

 

[P Boy]

Well, now the lack of a sack credited to Williams has cost me a game (1/2 sack = 2.5 pts, lost by about 1 pt), which consequently has me on the outside looking in at a playoff spot with 1 week to go.What are the chances of this stat changing this week?

 

[thatguy]

Well, now the lack of a sack credited to Williams has cost me a game (1/2 sack = 2.5 pts, lost by about 1 pt), which consequently has me on the outside looking in at a playoff spot with 1 week to go.

What are the chances of this stat changing this week?

Ah, that sucks man. Sorry to hear that.I would say not good. I really have no idea what happened there. I am almost certain it should have been a sack, but have no idea how to go about getting it fixed.

 

[zoni]

Just a thought, and I didn't see the play, but was he in the area between the tackles? I don't think it's counted as a sack if he's outside that area - the play then may be considered a rush - therefore tackle points are awarded.

 

[thatguy]

Just a thought, and I didn't see the play, but was he in the area between the tackles? I don't think it's counted as a sack if he's outside that area - the play then may be considered a rush - therefore tackle points are awarded.

He was outside the tackles. Is this always the case? Or is it up to the scorer to make a judgment call?

 

[zoni]

Just a thought, and I didn't see the play, but was he in the area between the tackles?  I don't think it's counted as a sack if he's outside that area - the play then may be considered a rush - therefore tackle points are awarded.

He was outside the tackles. Is this always the case? Or is it up to the scorer to make a judgment call?

Well, I'm not totally sure. I did a quick search for official NFL rules to this effect but couldn't come up with any detailed info. But here's how I would see it:If the QB is outside of the tackles, then at that point he is considered a runner/rusher (though he can obviously still pass if behind the LOS). If a defender tackles him at this point, it's not a sack but only a tackle. I would think a sack would only be counted if the QB is behind the LOS and inside the tackles (essentially, in the pocket).

Without reading the rules, I can't be 100% sure, but this would make sense to me. As far as being a judgement call, it probably is (like some of the examples of tackle stats we've seen recently), especially if the QB is near that cutoff area.

Edited to add that the only thing I find on sacks says to the effect of a sack being "a tackle on a QB before he has thrown the ball" or "a tackle of a QB behind the LOS".

So then yes, it may be up to the stat keeper's interpretation - and if the QB is scrambling, outside of the box, it may be interpreted to be a rush at that point.

Hope that helps.

 

[trader jake]

good info zoni, thanks

 

[Rozelle]

Seems to be a judgement call by whoever scores D stats. Sometimes your the bug and sometimes your the windshield. I know its really frustrating when it costs you a W.

 

[abe froman]

Seems to be a judgement call by whoever scores D stats. Sometimes your the bug and sometimes your the windshield. I know its really frustrating when it costs you a W.

put me on that list. I lost by 1 point 88-89, and the sack would of put me at 90... @#$*%^#!!