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David Pattern is a solid sleeper for the next 4-6 weeks (1 Viewer)

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Anybody else out there thinking that David Pattern might be a nice #3 wr while Colston is out for the next six weeks?

 
I picked him up in my 10-team PPR league. I already have Edwards, Megatron, Driver and A-Gonz, so I'm going to wait before starting him, but I'm optimistic.

 
Henderson is the WR you want to own in that offense.

I don't think Patten is a real good WR3, he's a decent WR 3 in that offense with Colston out.

When Patten was starting opposite Colston last year, he was a decent #3 WR. He is a WR3 on the depth chart. Brees has had an entire minicamp and preseason throwing to Henderson and Colston, developing a solid rapport with both. I think you see Henderson pulling out some big fantasy stats.

Not saying Patten is worthless, but if you're in a PPR league, 4-50 may not be bad for a WR3 (I expect at least 6 per week for Henderson)

 
With Edwards history against the Steelers, and his poor week 1 performance, I am SERIOUSLY considering Patten over him this week.

 
Anybody else out there thinking that David Pattern might be a nice #3 wr while Colston is out for the next six weeks?
I traded Roddy White for Colston with this exactly play in mind. I figured White is a very good WR3, Patten is a borderline very good WR3 with Colston out, and then Colston will be a great WR3 when he comes back. Keep in mind I am in a PPR league so Patten might have a bit more value. I don't need him to be great, just serviceable until Colston comes back...which I hope is sooner rather than later.
 
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Last year, in games Patten started (5) he averaged 4.4 rcpts/gm & 64 yds/gm. Patten also had 2 games which he didnt start, in which he had over 100 yds receiving and 8 & 9 recepts (respectively).

In comparison, in 2007 Henderson started 9 games and averaged 1.4 rcpts and 38 ypg.

In games in which they BOTH started (4 games), Patten outperformed Henderson 4.5 to 1.5 rcpts/gm and 60 to 23.8 yds/gm

Granted this isn't 2007, and Henderson may have had a great Camp, but it seems that Brees looks to Patten when he is in there. And especially when its Patten AND Henderson in the starting lineup. And of course, 4.4 catches and 65 yds arent exactly TO or Randy numbers. But, he could be adequate as a fill in WR3.

 
Last year, in games Patten started (5) he averaged 4.4 rcpts/gm & 64 yds/gm. Patten also had 2 games which he didnt start, in which he had over 100 yds receiving and 8 & 9 recepts (respectively). In comparison, in 2007 Henderson started 9 games and averaged 1.4 rcpts and 38 ypg.In games in which they BOTH started (4 games), Patten outperformed Henderson 4.5 to 1.5 rcpts/gm and 60 to 23.8 yds/gmGranted this isn't 2007, and Henderson may have had a great Camp, but it seems that Brees looks to Patten when he is in there. And especially when its Patten AND Henderson in the starting lineup. And of course, 4.4 catches and 65 yds arent exactly TO or Randy numbers. But, he could be adequate as a fill in WR3.
Pfft....there's always someone with their numbers that kinda takes the arguement out of the discussion :blackdot: Good Posting :welcome:
 
Warriors Forever said:
Henderson is the WR you want to own in that offense.

I don't think Patten is a real good WR3, he's a decent WR 3 in that offense with Colston out.

When Patten was starting opposite Colston last year, he was a decent #3 WR. He is a WR3 on the depth chart. Brees has had an entire minicamp and preseason throwing to Henderson and Colston, developing a solid rapport with both. I think you see Henderson pulling out some big fantasy stats.

Not saying Patten is worthless, but if you're in a PPR league, 4-50 may not be bad for a WR3 (I expect at least 6 per week for Henderson)
Why, so he can be targeted on deep passes twice a game?Henderson's role does not change due to the Colston injury. Patten is the guy you want, then Meachem then Henderson. Shockey will get a bump in value as well.

 
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Warriors Forever said:
Henderson is the WR you want to own in that offense.I don't think Patten is a real good WR3, he's a decent WR 3 in that offense with Colston out. When Patten was starting opposite Colston last year, he was a decent #3 WR. He is a WR3 on the depth chart. Brees has had an entire minicamp and preseason throwing to Henderson and Colston, developing a solid rapport with both. I think you see Henderson pulling out some big fantasy stats. Not saying Patten is worthless, but if you're in a PPR league, 4-50 may not be bad for a WR3 (I expect at least 6 per week for Henderson)
so, what you're saying is you think he's a WR3?
 
Warriors Forever said:
Henderson is the WR you want to own in that offense.I don't think Patten is a real good WR3, he's a decent WR 3 in that offense with Colston out. When Patten was starting opposite Colston last year, he was a decent #3 WR. He is a WR3 on the depth chart. Brees has had an entire minicamp and preseason throwing to Henderson and Colston, developing a solid rapport with both. I think you see Henderson pulling out some big fantasy stats. Not saying Patten is worthless, but if you're in a PPR league, 4-50 may not be bad for a WR3 (I expect at least 6 per week for Henderson)
so, what you're saying is you think he's a WR3?
Here's the thing no one has mentioned yet...Colston played all last year so last year isn't a great comparison. In 2006 when Colston was out for 3-4 games, Henderson absolutely blew up:Week 11 - 169 ydsWeek 12 - 158 yds + 1 TDWeek 13 - 14 ydsWeek 14 - 92 yds + 1 TDI think Patten is a marginal fantasy player at best while colston is out, his upside is about 10 points and he should consistenly score 6-8. Sounds a lot like Muhsin Muhammed to me. Henderson has a "chance" to be a huge TD threat over the next month and could be a breakout player since he can go deep. I think he'll get less targets, but they will have much greater potential for huge gains. Even if he only catches 3 passes a game it could be good for 70 yds and a TD on average.Just my thoughts.
 
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Warriors Forever said:
Henderson is the WR you want to own in that offense.

I don't think Patten is a real good WR3, he's a decent WR 3 in that offense with Colston out.

When Patten was starting opposite Colston last year, he was a decent #3 WR. He is a WR3 on the depth chart. Brees has had an entire minicamp and preseason throwing to Henderson and Colston, developing a solid rapport with both. I think you see Henderson pulling out some big fantasy stats.

Not saying Patten is worthless, but if you're in a PPR league, 4-50 may not be bad for a WR3 (I expect at least 6 per week for Henderson)
so, what you're saying is you think he's a WR3?
Here's the thing no one has mentioned yet...Colston played all last year so last year isn't a great comparison. In 2006 when Colston was out for 3-4 games, Henderson absolutely blew up:Week 11 - 169 yds

Week 12 - 158 yds + 1 TD

Week 13 - 14 yds

Week 14 - 92 yds + 1 TD

I think Patten is a marginal fantasy player at best while colston is out, his upside is about 10 points and he should consistenly score 6-8. Sounds a lot like Muhsin Muhammed to me. Henderson has a "chance" to be a huge TD threat over the next month and could be a breakout player since he can go deep. I think he'll get less targets, but they will have much greater potential for huge gains. Even if he only catches 3 passes a game it could be good for 70 yds and a TD on average.

Just my thoughts.
that's the problem with devery. one week he blows up and then he disappears. Too much risk that you'll have a 1 point game from him.
 
Warriors Forever said:
Henderson is the WR you want to own in that offense.I don't think Patten is a real good WR3, he's a decent WR 3 in that offense with Colston out. When Patten was starting opposite Colston last year, he was a decent #3 WR. He is a WR3 on the depth chart. Brees has had an entire minicamp and preseason throwing to Henderson and Colston, developing a solid rapport with both. I think you see Henderson pulling out some big fantasy stats. Not saying Patten is worthless, but if you're in a PPR league, 4-50 may not be bad for a WR3 (I expect at least 6 per week for Henderson)
so, what you're saying is you think he's a WR3?
Here's the thing no one has mentioned yet...Colston played all last year so last year isn't a great comparison. In 2006 when Colston was out for 3-4 games, Henderson absolutely blew up:Week 11 - 169 ydsWeek 12 - 158 yds + 1 TDWeek 13 - 14 ydsWeek 14 - 92 yds + 1 TDI think Patten is a marginal fantasy player at best while colston is out, his upside is about 10 points and he should consistenly score 6-8. Sounds a lot like Muhsin Muhammed to me. Henderson has a "chance" to be a huge TD threat over the next month and could be a breakout player since he can go deep. I think he'll get less targets, but they will have much greater potential for huge gains. Even if he only catches 3 passes a game it could be good for 70 yds and a TD on average.Just my thoughts.
Ummm.. hate to burst your bubble.. but if you are going to compare 2006, Patten played for the Redskins.... I don't think 2006 is relevant at all when the receivers played for different teams...
 
To each his own, I'd rather have a chance of 20 points with the understanding that 1-2 may be in the cards than know that 6-8 is all I'm going to get. That's why I never draft retreads like Mason, Muhammed, Bruce, etc. They never do more than 6-8 points and then you end up dropping them later on since they can't crack your starting lineup.

 
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Warriors Forever said:
Henderson is the WR you want to own in that offense.I don't think Patten is a real good WR3, he's a decent WR 3 in that offense with Colston out. When Patten was starting opposite Colston last year, he was a decent #3 WR. He is a WR3 on the depth chart. Brees has had an entire minicamp and preseason throwing to Henderson and Colston, developing a solid rapport with both. I think you see Henderson pulling out some big fantasy stats. Not saying Patten is worthless, but if you're in a PPR league, 4-50 may not be bad for a WR3 (I expect at least 6 per week for Henderson)
so, what you're saying is you think he's a WR3?
Here's the thing no one has mentioned yet...Colston played all last year so last year isn't a great comparison. In 2006 when Colston was out for 3-4 games, Henderson absolutely blew up:Week 11 - 169 ydsWeek 12 - 158 yds + 1 TDWeek 13 - 14 ydsWeek 14 - 92 yds + 1 TDI think Patten is a marginal fantasy player at best while colston is out, his upside is about 10 points and he should consistenly score 6-8. Sounds a lot like Muhsin Muhammed to me. Henderson has a "chance" to be a huge TD threat over the next month and could be a breakout player since he can go deep. I think he'll get less targets, but they will have much greater potential for huge gains. Even if he only catches 3 passes a game it could be good for 70 yds and a TD on average.Just my thoughts.
Ummm.. hate to burst your bubble.. but if you are going to compare 2006, Patten played for the Redskins.... I don't think 2006 is relevant at all when the receivers played for different teams...
I agree, but I don't think 2007 is a good comparison either since Colston wasn't hurt then. I was merely pointing out that they play different positions and that no one should think Patten is going to blow up all of a sudden. It's very similar with how Royal did with Denver last week. Cutler threw ridiculous amounts of balls to Marshall last year just like he did to Royal in W1. I would expect Marshall to retake his spot and Royal to disappear like all the other Denver WR last year except Marshall. 800 yds and 6 TDs is Royal's ceiling this year IMO.
 
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To each his own, I'd rather have a chance of 20 points with the understanding that 1-2 may be in the cards than know that 6-8 is all I'm going to get. That's why I never draft retreads like Mason, Muhammed, Bruce, etc. They never do more than 6-8 points and then you end up dropping them later on since they can't crack your starting lineup.
This is actually what I am sort of looking for from my WR3. I realize Patten is not going to blow up, but in a PPR league, with a top passer, in a wide open offense, with the top WR threat out, he seems like a good play. I don't want 1 point from any player - and I am fairly certain Patten is a better bet to not lay an egg than Henderson. Is that fact? Of course not, but even if you just watch the Saints play once, you realize Patten is better at running routes and is more of a possession receiver, whereas Henderson stretches the field and has a knack for getting behind the defense. Both serve their team well. In a PPR league, I think Patten is a quality option for those in need of a WR3. Only my opinion of course.
 
To each his own, I'd rather have a chance of 20 points with the understanding that 1-2 may be in the cards than know that 6-8 is all I'm going to get. That's why I never draft retreads like Mason, Muhammed, Bruce, etc. They never do more than 6-8 points and then you end up dropping them later on since they can't crack your starting lineup.
This is actually what I am sort of looking for from my WR3. I realize Patten is not going to blow up, but in a PPR league, with a top passer, in a wide open offense, with the top WR threat out, he seems like a good play. I don't want 1 point from any player - and I am fairly certain Patten is a better bet to not lay an egg than Henderson. Is that fact? Of course not, but even if you just watch the Saints play once, you realize Patten is better at running routes and is more of a possession receiver, whereas Henderson stretches the field and has a knack for getting behind the defense. Both serve their team well. In a PPR league, I think Patten is a quality option for those in need of a WR3. Only my opinion of course.
I missed this earlier, I was not making any comments based on PPR. My opinion on this subject is based on a non-PPR league. Marginal guys in my league like Mason, etc. have a lot more value in PPR. Sorry for the confusion. Patten is definitely more stable as a WR3 in a PPR league. He is a safe bet to be in that 11-12 range while Devery is going to range from 3-20 depending on if he and Brees are clicking.
 
To each his own, I'd rather have a chance of 20 points with the understanding that 1-2 may be in the cards than know that 6-8 is all I'm going to get. That's why I never draft retreads like Mason, Muhammed, Bruce, etc. They never do more than 6-8 points and then you end up dropping them later on since they can't crack your starting lineup.
This is actually what I am sort of looking for from my WR3. I realize Patten is not going to blow up, but in a PPR league, with a top passer, in a wide open offense, with the top WR threat out, he seems like a good play. I don't want 1 point from any player - and I am fairly certain Patten is a better bet to not lay an egg than Henderson. Is that fact? Of course not, but even if you just watch the Saints play once, you realize Patten is better at running routes and is more of a possession receiver, whereas Henderson stretches the field and has a knack for getting behind the defense. Both serve their team well. In a PPR league, I think Patten is a quality option for those in need of a WR3. Only my opinion of course.
I missed this earlier, I was not making any comments based on PPR. My opinion on this subject is based on a non-PPR league. Marginal guys in my league like Mason, etc. have a lot more value in PPR. Sorry for the confusion. Patten is definitely more stable as a WR3 in a PPR league. He is a safe bet to be in that 11-12 range while Devery is going to range from 3-20 depending on if he and Brees are clicking.
Not a problem, that's why I wanted to clarify, so we don't get bogged down in a meaningless debate. No doubt that Henderson could be a sneaky pick to get into the end zone a few times with Colston out.
 
What about L. Moore. When asked about which WR would step up in an ESPN chat yesterday, Mort went with Moore. Said that Brees loves him & he runs the best routes of any of the WR's. I'm thinking he might not lead the team in yardage or TDs, but could he be the guy catching 5 or 6 passes each week?

 
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What about L. Moore. When asked about which WR would step up in an ESPN chat yesterday, Mort went with Moore. Said that Brees loves him & he runs the best routes of any of the WR's. I'm thinking he might not lead the team in yardage or TDs, but could he be the guy catching 5 or 6 passes each week?
Mort is an idiot. He's so worried about being the 1st person to "break" every story that 2/3 of what he says turns out to be inaccurate.
 
To each his own, I'd rather have a chance of 20 points with the understanding that 1-2 may be in the cards than know that 6-8 is all I'm going to get. That's why I never draft retreads like Mason, Muhammed, Bruce, etc. They never do more than 6-8 points and then you end up dropping them later on since they can't crack your starting lineup.
Ummm...didn't Patten have a 40yd TD last week with Colston in the game? If he's gonna be a lock for his 8 points a game, with the potential to drop a 40yd TD any game,....thats good enough for me. I think Henderson has the potential for a 40+yd TD any game,...but i'm not so sure about the lock for 8 points outside it.
 
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To each his own, I'd rather have a chance of 20 points with the understanding that 1-2 may be in the cards than know that 6-8 is all I'm going to get. That's why I never draft retreads like Mason, Muhammed, Bruce, etc. They never do more than 6-8 points and then you end up dropping them later on since they can't crack your starting lineup.
Ummm...didn't Patten have a 40yd TD last week with Colston in the game? If he's gonna be a lock for his 8 points a game, with the potential to drop a 40yd TD any game,....thats good enough for me. I think Henderson has the potential for a 40+yd TD any game,...but i'm not so sure about the lock for 8 points outside it.
Wasn't that Patten's only catch though?
 
To each his own, I'd rather have a chance of 20 points with the understanding that 1-2 may be in the cards than know that 6-8 is all I'm going to get. That's why I never draft retreads like Mason, Muhammed, Bruce, etc. They never do more than 6-8 points and then you end up dropping them later on since they can't crack your starting lineup.
Ummm...didn't Patten have a 40yd TD last week with Colston in the game? If he's gonna be a lock for his 8 points a game, with the potential to drop a 40yd TD any game,....thats good enough for me. I think Henderson has the potential for a 40+yd TD any game,...but i'm not so sure about the lock for 8 points outside it.
Wasn't that Patten's only catch though?
Very true,...Henderson and Patten were both targeted twice,..and both ended up with long TDs. My point would be that Patten would be the recipient for more targets, therefore catches than Henderson. The point that Patten had a 40yd TD, would be for the people that think Henderson will be better because of the potential for long TDs.
 
I don't know if you can safely predict what's going to happen here. I grabbed Henderson but everybody seems to have a different opinion on this one. I think it's safe to assume that you can bump Bush and Shockey and Brees is just going to look for whichever of these two can get open. I am not convinced either way at this point that one is going to get more targets reliably.

 
When in doubt, I prefer the guy I expect to get the most targets. I expect Patten to get more targets than Henderson, so I think Patten is the guy to have. It's really that simple for me. As others have noted, Patten just caught a 40 yard TD last week, so it's not like he can't score long TDs.

 
When in doubt, I prefer the guy I expect to get the most targets. I expect Patten to get more targets than Henderson, so I think Patten is the guy to have. It's really that simple for me. As others have noted, Patten just caught a 40 yard TD last week, so it's not like he can't score long TDs.
:thumbup: My thoughts exactly. I want the guy that has MORE opportunities to score than the guy that doesn't.
 
Warriors Forever said:
Henderson is the WR you want to own in that offense.I don't think Patten is a real good WR3, he's a decent WR 3 in that offense with Colston out. When Patten was starting opposite Colston last year, he was a decent #3 WR. He is a WR3 on the depth chart. Brees has had an entire minicamp and preseason throwing to Henderson and Colston, developing a solid rapport with both. I think you see Henderson pulling out some big fantasy stats. Not saying Patten is worthless, but if you're in a PPR league, 4-50 may not be bad for a WR3 (I expect at least 6 per week for Henderson)
While something may change, having watched this team very closely and in particular having watched Henderson A LOT, I can tell you that Henderson is NOT the WR you want to own in that offense. Henderson is a VERY inconsistent WR with poor hands and concentration. Even with Colston out and him being in the starting lineup, he's a bye week spot start at best. Henderson has had tons of opportunities to crack the starting lineup and he continually disappoints. His role is to stretch the field and that will continue.Patten is the WR to look at to get the most targets. In addition, he has the ability to put up a monster game just as much as Henderson does. Overall, I think you're going to see the uptick reflected in Shockey and the RB's as well as including Lance Moore in the mix. But, if given the choice of the WR to own during Colston's absence, I'll take Patten all day. Henderson will make you want to rip your toenails out if he's in your lineup.
 
I don't know if you can safely predict what's going to happen here. I grabbed Henderson but everybody seems to have a different opinion on this one. I think it's safe to assume that you can bump Bush and Shockey and Brees is just going to look for whichever of these two can get open. I am not convinced either way at this point that one is going to get more targets reliably.
:shrug: Shockey in particular is the guy who sees the biggest jump in value IMO. he is capable of doing more of the things that Colston did. Patten isn't the big target in the middle of the field like Colston. I guess what I'm saying is that for Patten/henderson I think it's pretty much status quo and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Meachem or Moore becomes the #1 WW pickup next week.I saw a lot of folks predicting Bush to see more targets with Colston out. As a bush owner, that would be nice, but I think how he was used last week is about how he'll be used all year. Frankly, given the production I'm just fine with that. I just don't see him suddenly getting a bunch more looks in the passing game than he already gets.
 

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