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David Siegel email to his employees... :unsure: (1 Viewer)

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"Don't grumble, give a whistle!"
Mr Siegel thinks he is an example of all that is right and good about America. I kinda think he is more the poster boy for excess, but hey. :shrug:

Some background here: Linky

“Our house is like a convention center compared to the other houses here,” says David Siegel as he drives through The Reserve at Lake Butler Sound, a gated community in Orlando. The other houses here are not small: They average 10,000 square feet. But his home will be nine times as large. Siegel stops at the end of Kirkstone Lane, pulls into his driveway, and looks around. “Next door is a 12,000-square-foot house. That could be my maid’s quarters one day,” he says lightly. Then he catches himself and adds, “No, I shouldn’t say that, it sounds like an insult.”
..and a little more: Linky
David Siegel is the man who, together with his wife, Jackie, built the largest new house in America, known as "Versailles." His story first appeared in my book, "The High-Beta Rich." It then made it to the big screen with documentary film "The Queen of Versailles." They became symbols of outsized spending, debt and real estate in America.

But when the company started buckling under $1 billion in debt during the crisis, the Siegels' home went into foreclosure and was put up for sale. They cut back on the jet, took the kids out of private school and gave up some of their staff.

So why is David Siegel - a man who defined excess and debt in the 2000s - now saying that debt and spending are ruining the country?

I asked David during a phone interview last night, and he told me that this was about his workers, not himself. He said his own finances have vastly improved. He has paid off all of his major lenders. "I have enough money for the rest of my life and enough to leave a good inheritance for our kids." He said the loan for Versailles is paid off and he's resuming construction on the home.

"The elevators are going in and they're preparing to put in the marble."

The deal with Versailles' lenders, he went on, worked out "better than I imagined," since he was allowed to go nine months without making any interest payments on the loan. Jackie has several offers for a new reality TV show "which we're in the process of ranking and evaluating," Siegel said.

He has learned his own painful lesson from the debt crunch. "We cut back, we're lean and mean. That's what the rest of the country has to do."
...Sooo, what does he do. He sends this email to his employees:
Subject: Message from David Siegel

Date:Mon, 08 Oct 2012 13:58:05 -0400 (EDT)

From: [David Siegel]

To: [All employees]

To All My Valued Employees,

As most of you know our company, Westgate Resorts, has continued to succeed in spite of a very dismal economy. There is no question that the economy has changed for the worse and we have not seen any improvement over the past four years. In spite of all of the challenges we have faced, the good news is this: The economy doesn't currently pose a threat to your job. What does threaten your job however, is another 4 years of the same Presidential administration. Of course, as your employer, I can't tell you whom to vote for, and I certainly wouldn't interfere with your right to vote for whomever you choose. In fact, I encourage you to vote for whomever you think will serve your interests the best.

However, let me share a few facts that might help you decide what is in your best interest.The current administration and members of the press have perpetuated an environment that casts employers against employees. They want you to believe that we live in a class system where the rich get richer, the poor get poorer. They label us the "1%" and imply that we are somehow immune to the challenges that face our country. This could not be further from the truth. Sure, you may have heard about the big home that I'm building. I'm sure many people think that I live a privileged life. However, what you don't see or hear is the true story behind any success that I have achieved.

I started this company over 42 years ago. At that time, I lived in a very modest home. I converted my garage into an office so I could put forth 100% effort into building a company, which by the way, would eventually employ you. We didn't eat in fancy restaurants or take expensive vacations because every dollar I made went back into this company. I drove an old used car, and often times, I stayed home on weekends, while my friends went out drinking and partying. In fact, I was married to my business — hard work, discipline, and sacrifice. Meanwhile, many of my friends got regular jobs. They worked 40 hours a week and made a nice income, and they spent every dime they earned. They drove flashy cars and lived in expensive homes and wore fancy designer clothes. My friends refinanced their mortgages and lived a life of luxury. I, however, did not. I put my time, my money, and my life into this business —-with a vision that eventually, some day, I too, will be able to afford to buy whatever I wanted. Even to this day, every dime I earn goes back into this company. Over the past four years I have had to stop building my dream house, cut back on all of my expenses, and take my kids out of private schools simply to keep this company strong and to keep you employed.

Just think about this – most of you arrive at work in the morning and leave that afternoon and the rest of your time is yours to do as you please. But not me- there is no "off" button for me. When you leave the office, you are done and you have a weekend all to yourself. I unfortunately do not have that freedom. I eat, live, and breathe this company every minute of the day, every day of the week. There is no rest. There is no weekend. There is no happy hour. I know many of you work hard and do a great job, but I'm the one who has to sign every check, pay every expense, and make sure that this company continues to succeed. Unfortunately, what most people see is the nice house and the lavish lifestyle. What the press certainly does not want you to see, is the true story of the hard work and sacrifices I've made.

Now, the economy is falling apart and people like me who made all the right decisions and invested in themselves are being forced to bail out all the people who didn't. The people that overspent their paychecks suddenly feel entitled to the same luxuries that I earned and sacrificed 42 years of my life for. Yes, business ownership has its benefits, but the price I've paid is steep and not without wounds. Unfortunately, the costs of running a business have gotten out of control, and let me tell you why: We are being taxed to death and the government thinks we don't pay enough. We pay state taxes, federal taxes, property taxes, sales and use taxes, payroll taxes, workers compensation taxes and unemployment taxes. I even have to hire an entire department to manage all these taxes. The question I have is this: Who is really stimulating the economy? Is it the Government that wants to take money from those who have earned it and give it to those who have not, or is it people like me who built a company out of his garage and directly employs over 7000 people and hosts over 3 million people per year with a great vacation?

Obviously, our present government believes that taking my money is the right economic stimulus for this country. The fact is, if I deducted 50% of your paycheck you'd quit and you wouldn't work here. I mean, why should you? Who wants to get rewarded only 50% of their hard work? Well, that's what happens to me.

Here is what most people don't understand and the press and our Government has chosen to ignore – to stimulate the economy you need to stimulate what runs the economy. Instead of raising my taxes and depositing that money into the Washington black-hole, let me spend it on growing the company, hire more employees, and generate substantial economic growth. My employees will enjoy the wealth of that tax cut in the form of promotions and better salaries. But that is not what our current Government wants you to believe. They want you to believe that it somehow makes sense to take more from those who create wealth and give it to those who do not, and somehow our economy will improve. They don't want you to know that the "1%", as they like to label us, pay more than 31% of all the taxes in this country. Thomas Jefferson, the author of our great Constitution, once said, "democracy" will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Business is at the heart of America and always has been. To restart it, you must stimulate business, not kill it. However, the power brokers in Washington believe redistributing wealth is the essential driver of the American economic engine. Nothing could be further from the truth and this is the type of change they want. So where am I going with all this? It's quite simple. If any new taxes are levied on me, or my company, as our current President plans, I will have no choice but to reduce the size of this company. Rather than grow this company I will be forced to cut back. This means fewer jobs, less benefits and certainly less opportunity for everyone.

So, when you make your decision to vote, ask yourself, which candidate understands the economics of business ownership and who doesn't? Whose policies will endanger your job? Answer those questions and you should know who might be the one capable of protecting and saving your job. While the media wants to tell you to believe the "1 percenters" are bad, I'm telling you they are not. They create most of the jobs. If you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the "1%"; it will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country.

You see, I can no longer support a system that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, so will your opportunities. If that happens, you can find me in the Caribbean sitting on the beach, under a palm tree, retired, and with no employees to worry about.

Signed, your boss,

David Siegel
Discuss. :popcorn:
 
Open memo to everyone tempted to "go Galt." Just do it. Find yourself a nice gulch, or a Caribbean island or whatever and enjoy your life. We won't begrudge you that. Just try to adjust to the shock when the world keeps turning.

 
this is a stupid email to send, but what kind of bothered me yesterday was NBCnews' headline: "If Obama is re-elected, you'll be fired", like its a quote. i don't see the word "fired" in that email anywhere. If you're going to sensaitionalize it, at least get the quote right.

 
Subject: Message from David Siegel

Date:Mon, 08 Oct 2012 13:58:05 -0400 (EDT)

From: [David Siegel]

To: [All employees]

To All My Valued Employees,

So, when you make your decision to vote, ask yourself, which candidate understands the economics of business ownership and who doesn't? Whose policies will endanger your job? Answer those questions and you should know who might be the one capable of protecting and saving your job. While the media wants to tell you to believe the "1 percenters" are bad, I'm telling you they are not. They create most of the jobs. If you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the "1%"; it will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country.

You see, I can no longer support a system that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, so will your opportunities. If that happens, you can find me in the Caribbean sitting on the beach, under a palm tree, retired, and with no employees to worry about.

Signed, your boss,

David Siegel
To me this is boardline line voter intimidation to vote a certain way. Not saying he is wrong to think that, but to threaten someones jobs based on how they vote is wrong.

 


Over the past four years I have had to stop building my dream house, cut back on all of my expenses, and take my kids out of private schools simply to keep this company strong and to keep you employed.


...so that he can finish his dream house mansion palace.
 
this is a stupid email to send, but what kind of bothered me yesterday was NBCnews' headline: "If Obama is re-elected, you'll be fired", like its a quote. i don't see the word "fired" in that email anywhere. If you're going to sensaitionalize it, at least get the quote right.
Did you read the article?So, when you make your decision to vote, ask yourself, which candidate understands the economics of business ownership and who doesn't? Whose policies will endanger your job? Answer those questions and you should know who might be the one capable of protecting and saving your job.

So what does that say to you?????

 
Usually when owners/CEos of companies talk about layoffs and that kind of stuff, they usually happen regardless.

Im sure he's losing sleep over it in his giant mansion.

 
Let him take his Randian ### to whatever island he likes. I am sure the somewhat shady, and usually a poor investment, time share business will carry on without him.

 
this is a stupid email to send, but what kind of bothered me yesterday was NBCnews' headline: "If Obama is re-elected, you'll be fired", like its a quote. i don't see the word "fired" in that email anywhere. If you're going to sensaitionalize it, at least get the quote right.
Did you read the article?So, when you make your decision to vote, ask yourself, which candidate understands the economics of business ownership and who doesn't? Whose policies will endanger your job? Answer those questions and you should know who might be the one capable of protecting and saving your job.

So what does that say to you?????
if youre titling the piece like its a quote, get the damn quote right. it's not hard.not denying the guy's a #####

 
He's not saying that if they vote for Obama he's going to fire them, he's saying that Obama's policies are bad for business and might result in the loss of jobs. How would he possibly know who individual employees voted for?

Trying to turn this into "voter intimidation" is ridiculous.

 
He's not saying that if they vote for Obama he's going to fire them, he's saying that Obama's policies are bad for business and might result in the loss of jobs. How would he possibly know who individual employees voted for?Trying to turn this into "voter intimidation" is ridiculous.
he'll pack up shop and move to the Caribean, all of them will be unemployed.his motivation to work, and thus THEIR OPPORTUNITIES will be goneyup, there was no attempt to influence or intimidate there
 
no mater who you favor this email was over the line

I had a boss that always tried to influence everyone to vote Democrat and it was disgusting. It is an abuse of your power as an employer.

It does not mean because of this email Romney sucks or the GOP sucks or we should all vote Obama

it just means this employer is an ###

 
One thing that amuses me is his contention that he started the company 42 years ago. When the top marginal tax rate was 71.75%. The top marginal rate didn't drop below 50% for the first 16 years of his company. You know, the time that he tirelessly worked to build the company. But now, if we elect a guy who wants push rates above 40%, now nobody is going to have an incentive to work anymore. Or to build anything.

 
I call bull#### on the woe is me I work 24/7 angle. This guy is not a small business. If he truly can't hire competent people to run things for him then that is the reason he is on the precipice of failing, not some bogeyman incremental tax increase threat. Take your ball and guy home crybaby. You are not a testament to free market capitalism and adjusting to the environment you need to work in.

 
This guy is a rich moron. If he had a clue, he would have made 69% just putting his $ in the S&P over the past 4 years.

 
no mater who you favor this email was over the lineI had a boss that always tried to influence everyone to vote Democrat and it was disgusting. It is an abuse of your power as an employer.It does not mean because of this email Romney sucks or the GOP sucks or we should all vote Obamait just means this employer is an ###
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The first thing I thought after reading the email was... EXACLY! I think the guy is right on the $ and I applaud him for sticking his neck out like that. I don't think it is voter intimidation at all. I think it is a guy telling the truth, and as always, no one seems to like the truth very much. I think he explained the situation exactly as I see and I don't understand all the backlash... but then again, I always seem to be on the ouside looking in on a lot of topics like this.

ETA: I am far far from being a 1%er but I agree with his assesment.

 
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'Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Open memo to everyone tempted to "go Galt." Just do it. Find yourself a nice gulch, or a Caribbean island or whatever and enjoy your life. We won't begrudge you that. Just try to adjust to the shock when the world keeps turning.
:lmao:So true. Shut it down already.
 
The first thing I thought after reading the email was... EXACLY! I think the guy is right on the $ and I applaud him for sticking his neck out like that. I don't think it is voter intimidation at all. I think it is a guy telling the truth, and as always, no one seems to like the truth very much. I think he explained the situation exactly as I see and I don't understand all the backlash... but then again, I always seem to be on the ouside looking in on a lot of topics like this.ETA: I am far far from being a 1%er but I agree with his assesment.
Oh please. All this guy cares about is continuing the transfer of wealth to himself via big tax cuts. This admin has been very business friendly. Just look around. In Iceland they prosecuted their bankers, here we gave them big bonuses. It's a ridiculous rant from a Trump wannabe.
 
The first thing I thought after reading the email was... EXACLY! I think the guy is right on the $ and I applaud him for sticking his neck out like that. I don't think it is voter intimidation at all. I think it is a guy telling the truth, and as always, no one seems to like the truth very much. I think he explained the situation exactly as I see and I don't understand all the backlash... but then again, I always seem to be on the ouside looking in on a lot of topics like this.

ETA: I am far far from being a 1%er but I agree with his assesment.
i just think if you agree 100% with his email up to this point, that you have to condemn these paragraphs

So, when you make your decision to vote, ask yourself, which candidate understands the economics of business ownership and who doesn't? Whose policies will endanger your job? Answer those questions and you should know who might be the one capable of protecting and saving your job. While the media wants to tell you to believe the "1 percenters" are bad, I'm telling you they are not. They create most of the jobs. If you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the "1%"; it will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country.

You see, I can no longer support a system that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, so will your opportunities. If that happens, you can find me in the Caribbean sitting on the beach, under a palm tree, retired, and with no employees to worry about.

twice he says if they do not vote Obama there jobs are in jeopardy. You just cannot send an email to all employees like that.

 
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The first thing I thought after reading the email was... EXACLY! I think the guy is right on the $ and I applaud him for sticking his neck out like that. I don't think it is voter intimidation at all. I think it is a guy telling the truth, and as always, no one seems to like the truth very much. I think he explained the situation exactly as I see and I don't understand all the backlash... but then again, I always seem to be on the ouside looking in on a lot of topics like this.ETA: I am far far from being a 1%er but I agree with his assesment.
So your ok with your job telling you how to vote, even if you dont agree? I understand that you agree with what the email said, but what if it was reversed and it was Pro Obama. Would you still feel the same way as an employee?And what happens if Romney raises taxes, is he going to fold shop?
 
I think he's an idiot. However, I always have to laugh at those who complain and whine about the very rich, and how they spend their money. I've spent a lot of time in the third world, and those of us who have a car, and a computer, and a cell phone, and a comfortable home, and man toys, are just as wealthy in the eyes of the a poor Peruvian peasant, or the eyes of the New Guinea native living in the bush. When you go out eating and drinking on the weekend, you spend enough to feed one of those families for a month. I don't see any signs of guilt among you.

The very rich just happen to have more money than you, so they spend it on more things.

 
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The first thing I thought after reading the email was... EXACLY! I think the guy is right on the $ and I applaud him for sticking his neck out like that. I don't think it is voter intimidation at all. I think it is a guy telling the truth, and as always, no one seems to like the truth very much. I think he explained the situation exactly as I see and I don't understand all the backlash... but then again, I always seem to be on the ouside looking in on a lot of topics like this.ETA: I am far far from being a 1%er but I agree with his assesment.
So your ok with your job telling you how to vote, even if you dont agree? I understand that you agree with what the email said, but what if it was reversed and it was Pro Obama. Would you still feel the same way as an employee?And what happens if Romney raises taxes, is he going to fold shop?
Because of the following sentence in the email:
Of course, as your employer, I can't tell you whom to vote for, and I certainly wouldn't interfere with your right to vote for whomever you choose. In fact, I encourage you to vote for whomever you think will serve your interests the best.
I don't feel he is telling me who to vote for. Besides, the truth of the matter is, when I go to vote I am confident that it will be kept behind closed doors. I think he is strongly suggesting who to vote for, and I am fine with any employer doing that.If it were pro Obama, I would not agree with it... but I would have no problem with my employer expressing their opinion. No, I don't think he would fold shop if Romney raised taxes... but I think it would hinder growth at the company if that happened.
 
The first thing I thought after reading the email was... EXACLY! I think the guy is right on the $ and I applaud him for sticking his neck out like that. I don't think it is voter intimidation at all. I think it is a guy telling the truth, and as always, no one seems to like the truth very much. I think he explained the situation exactly as I see and I don't understand all the backlash... but then again, I always seem to be on the ouside looking in on a lot of topics like this.ETA: I am far far from being a 1%er but I agree with his assesment.
So your ok with your job telling you how to vote, even if you dont agree? I understand that you agree with what the email said, but what if it was reversed and it was Pro Obama. Would you still feel the same way as an employee?And what happens if Romney raises taxes, is he going to fold shop?
Because of the following sentence in the email:
Of course, as your employer, I can't tell you whom to vote for, and I certainly wouldn't interfere with your right to vote for whomever you choose. In fact, I encourage you to vote for whomever you think will serve your interests the best.
I don't feel he is telling me who to vote for. Besides, the truth of the matter is, when I go to vote I am confident that it will be kept behind closed doors. I think he is strongly suggesting who to vote for, and I am fine with any employer doing that.If it were pro Obama, I would not agree with it... but I would have no problem with my employer expressing their opinion. No, I don't think he would fold shop if Romney raised taxes... but I think it would hinder growth at the company if that happened.
butif Obama wins he is closing the company and moving to the Caribbean, only one candidate can assure their jobs. So they are free to vote for who they want, Romney and jobs or Obama and none. It is no skin off of his back either waythe last two paragraphs make that clear, and it is threatening, and it is wrong, even if everything he writes before it is 100% accurate.
 
butif Obama wins he is closing the company and moving to the Caribbean, only one candidate can assure their jobs. So they are free to vote for who they want, Romney and jobs or Obama and none. It is no skin off of his back either waythe last two paragraphs make that clear, and it is threatening, and it is wrong, even if everything he writes before it is 100% accurate.
I don't think it's "wrong" or "intimidation." I just suspect it's bull****. Hey, if this guy really would take his ball and go home in the event of an Obama reelection, giving his employees some advance notice of that would be a kind of kindness. They can plan accordingly. Look for other jobs. Maybe not make a major purchase.If, on the other hand, this is just a case of a whiny self-important guy wanting to feel more appreciated, as I suspect it is, then we can all mock him with impunity.
 
The first thing I thought after reading the email was... EXACLY! I think the guy is right on the $ and I applaud him for sticking his neck out like that. I don't think it is voter intimidation at all. I think it is a guy telling the truth, and as always, no one seems to like the truth very much. I think he explained the situation exactly as I see and I don't understand all the backlash... but then again, I always seem to be on the ouside looking in on a lot of topics like this.

ETA: I am far far from being a 1%er but I agree with his assesment.
i just think if you agree 100% with his email up to this point, that you have to condemn these paragraphs

So, when you make your decision to vote, ask yourself, which candidate understands the economics of business ownership and who doesn't? Whose policies will endanger your job? Answer those questions and you should know who might be the one capable of protecting and saving your job. While the media wants to tell you to believe the "1 percenters" are bad, I'm telling you they are not. They create most of the jobs. If you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the "1%"; it will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country.

You see, I can no longer support a system that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, so will your opportunities. If that happens, you can find me in the Caribbean sitting on the beach, under a palm tree, retired, and with no employees to worry about.

twice he says if they do not vote Obama there jobs are in jeopardy. You just cannot send an email to all employees like that.
I view the parts you bolded as the employer voicing his opinion which I agree with.The parts I have in red, which surround your bolded parts, are all statements I strongly agree with. I don't understand how people demonize the rich... yet expect them to produce jobs. I honestly think the hatred directed at the rich is mostly born out of jealousy. I'm not rich, but I'm not jealous of them either.

Also, I did a lot of the things this guy was talking about during the recession. I tightened my budget, payed off a lot of debt, and continued to put $ in the market... while I watched a bunch of other people take out insane loans that they couldn't pay off. Again, I'm not rich, but I can relate to a lot of what this guy is saying. Essentially, those that are doing OK are now essentially being penalized for doing the right, smart thing.

 
The first thing I thought after reading the email was... EXACLY! I think the guy is right on the $ and I applaud him for sticking his neck out like that. I don't think it is voter intimidation at all. I think it is a guy telling the truth, and as always, no one seems to like the truth very much. I think he explained the situation exactly as I see and I don't understand all the backlash... but then again, I always seem to be on the ouside looking in on a lot of topics like this.

ETA: I am far far from being a 1%er but I agree with his assesment.
i just think if you agree 100% with his email up to this point, that you have to condemn these paragraphs

So, when you make your decision to vote, ask yourself, which candidate understands the economics of business ownership and who doesn't? Whose policies will endanger your job? Answer those questions and you should know who might be the one capable of protecting and saving your job. While the media wants to tell you to believe the "1 percenters" are bad, I'm telling you they are not. They create most of the jobs. If you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the "1%"; it will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country.

You see, I can no longer support a system that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, so will your opportunities. If that happens, you can find me in the Caribbean sitting on the beach, under a palm tree, retired, and with no employees to worry about.

twice he says if they do not vote Obama there jobs are in jeopardy. You just cannot send an email to all employees like that.
I view the parts you bolded as the employer voicing his opinion which I agree with.The parts I have in red, which surround your bolded parts, are all statements I strongly agree with. I don't understand how people demonize the rich... yet expect them to produce jobs. I honestly think the hatred directed at the rich is mostly born out of jealousy. I'm not rich, but I'm not jealous of them either.

Also, I did a lot of the things this guy was talking about during the recession. I tightened my budget, payed off a lot of debt, and continued to put $ in the market... while I watched a bunch of other people take out insane loans that they couldn't pay off. Again, I'm not rich, but I can relate to a lot of what this guy is saying. Essentially, those that are doing OK are now essentially being penalized for doing the right, smart thing.
IF i 100% agree with you on all of that, it still does not make it right to send an email saying if OBama is relelcted i am closing up shop and your jobs are gone.

it is just wrong (and it is bs).

you are arguing that because you agree with his policies he is ok, I am syaing REGARDLESS of his policies he is wrong.

If he was endorsing Jesus over Satan and said if Satan wins the election you will all be unemployed he would be wrong for sending it. People are so freaking tied to their point of view, though, that almost nothing done in the name of that point of view can be wrong.

 
The first thing I thought after reading the email was... EXACLY! I think the guy is right on the $ and I applaud him for sticking his neck out like that. I don't think it is voter intimidation at all. I think it is a guy telling the truth, and as always, no one seems to like the truth very much. I think he explained the situation exactly as I see and I don't understand all the backlash... but then again, I always seem to be on the ouside looking in on a lot of topics like this.ETA: I am far far from being a 1%er but I agree with his assesment.
So your ok with your job telling you how to vote, even if you dont agree? I understand that you agree with what the email said, but what if it was reversed and it was Pro Obama. Would you still feel the same way as an employee?And what happens if Romney raises taxes, is he going to fold shop?
Because of the following sentence in the email:
Of course, as your employer, I can't tell you whom to vote for, and I certainly wouldn't interfere with your right to vote for whomever you choose. In fact, I encourage you to vote for whomever you think will serve your interests the best.
I don't feel he is telling me who to vote for. Besides, the truth of the matter is, when I go to vote I am confident that it will be kept behind closed doors. I think he is strongly suggesting who to vote for, and I am fine with any employer doing that.If it were pro Obama, I would not agree with it... but I would have no problem with my employer expressing their opinion. No, I don't think he would fold shop if Romney raised taxes... but I think it would hinder growth at the company if that happened.
butif Obama wins he is closing the company and moving to the Caribbean, only one candidate can assure their jobs. So they are free to vote for who they want, Romney and jobs or Obama and none. It is no skin off of his back either waythe last two paragraphs make that clear, and it is threatening, and it is wrong, even if everything he writes before it is 100% accurate.
I guess the way I see it is... what if he is actually being honest? What if he really does close up shop if Obama is elected? Would you fault this guy if he was actually being honest and telling them what he is going to do? You view it as a threat... but what if he is serious? What is the problem with being honest? People complain about corporations lying all the time... but if this guy is coming out and telling the truth... then what is the problem?If he is not being honest, and he does keep the company open even if Obama is elected... then there is no problem and they keep their job. Eitehr way, I don't have a problem with it.ETA: It could be viewed as a 'heads up'... something people always complain about NOT getting from employers.
 
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The first thing I thought after reading the email was... EXACLY! I think the guy is right on the $ and I applaud him for sticking his neck out like that. I don't think it is voter intimidation at all. I think it is a guy telling the truth, and as always, no one seems to like the truth very much. I think he explained the situation exactly as I see and I don't understand all the backlash... but then again, I always seem to be on the ouside looking in on a lot of topics like this.ETA: I am far far from being a 1%er but I agree with his assesment.
So your ok with your job telling you how to vote, even if you dont agree? I understand that you agree with what the email said, but what if it was reversed and it was Pro Obama. Would you still feel the same way as an employee?And what happens if Romney raises taxes, is he going to fold shop?
Because of the following sentence in the email:
Of course, as your employer, I can't tell you whom to vote for, and I certainly wouldn't interfere with your right to vote for whomever you choose. In fact, I encourage you to vote for whomever you think will serve your interests the best.
I don't feel he is telling me who to vote for. Besides, the truth of the matter is, when I go to vote I am confident that it will be kept behind closed doors. I think he is strongly suggesting who to vote for, and I am fine with any employer doing that.If it were pro Obama, I would not agree with it... but I would have no problem with my employer expressing their opinion. No, I don't think he would fold shop if Romney raised taxes... but I think it would hinder growth at the company if that happened.
butif Obama wins he is closing the company and moving to the Caribbean, only one candidate can assure their jobs. So they are free to vote for who they want, Romney and jobs or Obama and none. It is no skin off of his back either waythe last two paragraphs make that clear, and it is threatening, and it is wrong, even if everything he writes before it is 100% accurate.
I guess the way I see it is... what if he is actually being honest? What if he really does close up shop if Obama is elected? Would you fault this guy if he was actually being honest and telling them what he is going to do? You view it as a threat... but what if he is serious? What is the problem with being honest? People complain about corporations lying all the time... but if this guy is coming out and telling the truth... then what is the problem?If he is not being honest, and he does keep the company open even if Obama is elected... then there is no problem and they keep their job. Eitehr way, I don't have a problem with it.
so i guess we disagree. As someone whose boss has told them how to vote if the company is to survive, i found it offensive beyond words, and completely unamerican.In this day and age though, as long as you agree with the political leaning of the person anything goes.It is sad, this is not what democracy was supposed to be.
 
so i guess we disagree. As someone whose boss has told them how to vote if the company is to survive, i found it offensive beyond words, and completely unamerican.In this day and age though, as long as you agree with the political leaning of the person anything goes.It is sad, this is not what democracy was supposed to be.
You are correct that we do disagree. I find it very American in that we are a country free to express our opinions... free speech... and all that. I hate how people are so afraid to speak their mind these days, and I applaud someone who is willing to speak their mind knowing they are opening themselves up to heavy criticism.I think this is what democracy is supposed to be. Everyone, everywhere is able to make their case, and state what they believe... while voters are able to cast their vote in secret.
 
The guy makes a bunch of good points. Sending the e-mail out to his employees is wrong, but on most points he is probably right.

 
so i guess we disagree. As someone whose boss has told them how to vote if the company is to survive, i found it offensive beyond words, and completely unamerican.In this day and age though, as long as you agree with the political leaning of the person anything goes.It is sad, this is not what democracy was supposed to be.
You are correct that we do disagree. I find it very American in that we are a country free to express our opinions... free speech... and all that. I hate how people are so afraid to speak their mind these days, and I applaud someone who is willing to speak their mind knowing they are opening themselves up to heavy criticism.I think this is what democracy is supposed to be. Everyone, everywhere is able to make their case, and state what they believe... while voters are able to cast their vote in secret.
Republicans in my kids school district made sure "opt out" letters were sent home for a freakin "back to school" speech Obama gave. Republicans wrap them in the free speech flag all the time, yet are activists when it comes to limiting speech they don't agree with. Hell, they proved to me they'd want to "protect" people from a non-political speech by a sitting American president. Never seen that before.
 
so i guess we disagree. As someone whose boss has told them how to vote if the company is to survive, i found it offensive beyond words, and completely unamerican.In this day and age though, as long as you agree with the political leaning of the person anything goes.It is sad, this is not what democracy was supposed to be.
You are correct that we do disagree. I find it very American in that we are a country free to express our opinions... free speech... and all that. I hate how people are so afraid to speak their mind these days, and I applaud someone who is willing to speak their mind knowing they are opening themselves up to heavy criticism.I think this is what democracy is supposed to be. Everyone, everywhere is able to make their case, and state what they believe... while voters are able to cast their vote in secret.
there's a difference between speaking your mind and threatening and even being right does not make threats right.IF it was someone saying his employees would not have a job if Ropmney won I would feel the EXCT same way, and I would wager you would feel the opposite of what you feel now.Which pretty much sums it up for me.
 
so i guess we disagree. As someone whose boss has told them how to vote if the company is to survive, i found it offensive beyond words, and completely unamerican.In this day and age though, as long as you agree with the political leaning of the person anything goes.It is sad, this is not what democracy was supposed to be.
You are correct that we do disagree. I find it very American in that we are a country free to express our opinions... free speech... and all that. I hate how people are so afraid to speak their mind these days, and I applaud someone who is willing to speak their mind knowing they are opening themselves up to heavy criticism.I think this is what democracy is supposed to be. Everyone, everywhere is able to make their case, and state what they believe... while voters are able to cast their vote in secret.
Republicans in my kids school district made sure "opt out" letters were sent home for a freakin "back to school" speech Obama gave. Republicans wrap them in the free speech flag all the time, yet are activists when it comes to limiting speech they don't agree with. Hell, they proved to me they'd want to "protect" people from a non-political speech by a sitting American president. Never seen that before.
Opting out is just as much a part of free speech as the actual making of the speech.You may be correct about Republicans in general... but I am speaking for myself and I don't have a problem with it.
 

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