David Siegel email to his employees... :unsure: (1 Viewer)

[ericttspikes]

He has every right to do whatever he wants, including threatening his employees I suppose. I'm sure his competitors hope he packs up and leaves. Despite what self-important snobs like this believe, the world will go on without him and his business. I know he thinks the economy could collapse because of a lack of timeshares, but I think the nation will survive.

 

[ericttspikes]

so i guess we disagree. As someone whose boss has told them how to vote if the company is to survive, i found it offensive beyond words, and completely unamerican.In this day and age though, as long as you agree with the political leaning of the person anything goes.It is sad, this is not what democracy was supposed to be.

You are correct that we do disagree. I find it very American in that we are a country free to express our opinions... free speech... and all that. I hate how people are so afraid to speak their mind these days, and I applaud someone who is willing to speak their mind knowing they are opening themselves up to heavy criticism.I think this is what democracy is supposed to be. Everyone, everywhere is able to make their case, and state what they believe... while voters are able to cast their vote in secret.

Republicans in my kids school district made sure "opt out" letters were sent home for a freakin "back to school" speech Obama gave. Republicans wrap them in the free speech flag all the time, yet are activists when it comes to limiting speech they don't agree with. Hell, they proved to me they'd want to "protect" people from a non-political speech by a sitting American president. Never seen that before.

Opting out is just as much a part of free speech as the actual making of the speech.You may be correct about Republicans in general... but I am speaking for myself and I don't have a problem with it.

Wonder if the employees got to opt out of his email list?

 

[Jutz]

so i guess we disagree. As someone whose boss has told them how to vote if the company is to survive, i found it offensive beyond words, and completely unamerican.In this day and age though, as long as you agree with the political leaning of the person anything goes.It is sad, this is not what democracy was supposed to be.

You are correct that we do disagree. I find it very American in that we are a country free to express our opinions... free speech... and all that. I hate how people are so afraid to speak their mind these days, and I applaud someone who is willing to speak their mind knowing they are opening themselves up to heavy criticism.I think this is what democracy is supposed to be. Everyone, everywhere is able to make their case, and state what they believe... while voters are able to cast their vote in secret.

there's a difference between speaking your mind and threatening and even being right does not make threats right.IF it was someone saying his employees would not have a job if Ropmney won I would feel the EXCT same way, and I would wager you would feel the opposite of what you feel now.Which pretty much sums it up for me.

If someone wrote an email that said... if Romney wins the election I am closing up shop... sorry about your luck. My response would be... this guy is an IDIOT! But I would have no problem with that person actually sending the message.I still don't view it as a threat. The guy started off with a proper disclaimer that he is not telling anyone who to vote for. He did not in any way say... if I find out you voted for Obama you will be fired. He said, if Obama wins, I won't be able to stay in business, and my business will go under. The consequences of that are... that you will lose your job. But he is not threatening to fire people because of how they personally vote.

 

[Jutz]

so i guess we disagree. As someone whose boss has told them how to vote if the company is to survive, i found it offensive beyond words, and completely unamerican.In this day and age though, as long as you agree with the political leaning of the person anything goes.It is sad, this is not what democracy was supposed to be.

You are correct that we do disagree. I find it very American in that we are a country free to express our opinions... free speech... and all that. I hate how people are so afraid to speak their mind these days, and I applaud someone who is willing to speak their mind knowing they are opening themselves up to heavy criticism.I think this is what democracy is supposed to be. Everyone, everywhere is able to make their case, and state what they believe... while voters are able to cast their vote in secret.

Republicans in my kids school district made sure "opt out" letters were sent home for a freakin "back to school" speech Obama gave. Republicans wrap them in the free speech flag all the time, yet are activists when it comes to limiting speech they don't agree with. Hell, they proved to me they'd want to "protect" people from a non-political speech by a sitting American president. Never seen that before.

Opting out is just as much a part of free speech as the actual making of the speech.You may be correct about Republicans in general... but I am speaking for myself and I don't have a problem with it.

Wonder if the employees got to opt out of his email list?

Probably not, but they did have the right to delete the email before they ever read it.

 

[Jutz]

He has every right to do whatever he wants, including threatening his employees I suppose. I'm sure his competitors hope he packs up and leaves. Despite what self-important snobs like this believe, the world will go on without him and his business. I know he thinks the economy could collapse because of a lack of timeshares, but I think the nation will survive.

I agree he probably is a snob, the world will absolutely go on without him and his business, the nation absolutely will survive. I just also happen to think he made a lot of good points in the email.Is it something I would do? Probably not. I am too chicken ####. I would be worried about causing HR issues. I'd be worried someone would try to sue me. I would be worried about backlash from the media. I am much more personally conservative then he is. But if he wants to throw it out there, and throw caution to the wind... good on him.

 

[Jutz]

The guy makes a bunch of good points. Sending the e-mail out to his employees is wrong, but on most points he is probably right.

I have 0 problem with this assessment

We disagree, but we are not that far off. I just don't think it was wrong... if it is something he honestly feels strongly about. And I realize that is a big IF.

 

[Johnnymac]

The guy makes a bunch of good points. Sending the e-mail out to his employees is wrong, but on most points he is probably right.

I have 0 problem with this assessment

We disagree, but we are not that far off. I just don't think it was wrong... if it is something he honestly feels strongly about. And I realize that is a big IF.

I mostly agree. It's actually refreshing to see someone speak their mind and not worry about what people will think. hey, the guy is probably a complete ### but I dont have a problem with what he said. I dont think he is threatining his employees either. He has no way to find out who someone voted for.

 

[BoltBacker]

However, I always have to laugh at those who complain and whine about the very rich, and how they spend their money.

This is a Netflix must-watch for anyone that posted or even read this thread...http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/The_Queen_of_Versailles/70229267?trkid=2361637How do you feel about very, very rich that spend the money that even they don't have, and then turn around and blame the sitting president for their own financial mistakes? What may be the most odd part of all is the fact his financial troubles started when Bush was in office and earlier in the film he claims that he "got Bush elected" and when asked what that meant he claims he can't explain further because it wasn't legal.At first it seems like a hack piece on the wife, especially when she reflects on the purpose of the bank bailouts, but by the end of the film I just felt bad for her. I'd wager by the end of the film even Juts would like to kick Siegel in the nuts.

 

[joffer]

Siegel just informed his employees that instead of layoffs, they're getting a raise because the company is having its best year ever

 

[Josie Maran]

Thanks Obama!

 

[Lutherman2112]

Obamaraise!

 

[Jackstraw]

Just over two years after penning that company-wide email, Siegel informed Westgate employees that instead of layoffs, he would boost their minimum wage to $10 per hour beginning in 2015.

In fact, according to Siegel, 2014 was a banner year. “We’re experiencing the best year in our history and I wanted to do something to show my gratitude for the employees who make that possible,” Siegel said in announcing the wage hike. He also recently told the Orlando Business Journal that “things have never been better.”

Westgate currently employees about 12,000 people. Though the minimum wage increase won’t impact all workers, including those who receive tips, commissions, or work under a collective bargaining agreement, a company spokesman told Vegas Inc. that thousands of employees will receive a raise because of the move.

 

[NCCommish]

Awful lot of faces with egg on them.