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[Grahamburn]

I only quoted you because I fkd up the numbers. It's relevant to the current Wilson conversation because the trend carried into the season. He might need to be force feed carries to break a big run. Nothing else was implied.

Fair enough, but Adrian Peterson and Jamaal Charles also had 40-50% of their yardage come on around 10% of their carries last year. Doug Martin and CJ Spiller had high percentages as well. I don't really see this as a big deal for fantasy, unless you play in a league that penalizes for long runs.

LmaoHe's not in a class with those names. I'll say that much.

No offense, but of course you'd say that. For someone who is a Wilson believer, the entire POINT of being a believer is that he could be a 22 year old Spiller or Charles (of course he's not AP). That's his upside. That's the whole idea.

Who knows, his upside could be Barry Sanders

Exactly, this is getting out of hand. How is it possible you can say he's not in a class with those names? You've seen him run the ball about 1/4 of what a normal starting back does in a single season and you're already making these assumptions. His talent and ceiling is about as high as anyone in the NFL right now (at least in my opinion). Clearly he has some issues to iron out, but if he does iron them out the sky is the limit for the kid. To say otherwise is not an objective statement it's a personal assumption.

Funny enough if you watch footage of his runs from last season (and college) side by side with Sanders they actually run incredibly similar. And this whole thing about he negative yardage is ridiculous... every good back accumulates the majority of their yardage on break away plays. Not many elite RBs are these plodders who go 3+ yards on 70% of their carries or something. Charles, AP, Spiller, T Rich, Martin, Foster etc. all have roughly the same percentage of >2 yards as Wilson had last year. But somehow that's a knock against him because he's 'not in the same league' as those guys.

Chose not to believe he has the ability to be one of the best RBs in the NFL if you want too. But don't be upset when he starts tossing up ridiculous numbers every season. To say he isn't Charles or Spiller good is obnoxious also. Spiller was largely considered a bust until last season.

Spiller Rookie Stats: 74 Carries, 283 Yards, 3.8ypc, 0 TDs

Charles Rookie Stats: 67 carries, 357 yards, 5.3 ypc, 0 TDs

Wilson Rookie Stats: 71 rushes, 358 yards, 5.0ypc, 4 TDs

So based on this with the two players that are significantly better than Wilson? Wilson outscored them by MONSTEROUS amounts in fantasy. But it's fine because he's clearly not on their level.

Why would I get upset? I would just draft him.I'm not going to spend two more pages explaining why he isn't CJ Spiller or Charles. It's already a consensus he's the next Jim Brown. I won't bother.

He came with a pretty good post there regarding runs of less than two yards from elite backs. He posted numbers from the compared RB's rookie seasons. Then you bail?

The thread would be better if you'd back up some of your comments with statistics or posted a projection for Wilson this season.

You ignored my previous post regarding the Lamar Wilson vs. David Wilson thread you started. I'm thinking you've chosen Miller and now feel the need to justify that choice by chastising Wilson and/or the people who expect him to have a good year? I apologize in advance if I'm incorrect.

 

[Khy]

That Silva article was AWFUL. Those numbers are useless in a vacuum. I just looked at all of the top runners in the NFL in terms of rushes that amounted to 2 yards or less. Guess what? Wilson's numbers are right in line with them.

Foster was at 46%

Peterson was at 43%

Martin was at 44%

Wilson was at 46%

Everybody's favorite ole' reliable, BJGE was at 47%.

So THAT's his big beef with Wilson? Believe me, most offenses would GLADLY take an extra short gainer or two for the opportunity to take an extra one or two to the house. If he was at 70% or something, sure, red flag it. But at 46%? That's the run game my friend, a lot of them don't go anywhere.

That Silva article was AWFUL. Those numbers are useless in a vacuum. I just looked at all of the top runners in the NFL in terms of rushes that amounted to 2 yards or less. Guess what? Wilson's numbers are right in line with them.

Foster was at 46%

Peterson was at 43%

Martin was at 44%

Wilson was at 46%

Everybody's favorite ole' reliable, BJGE was at 47%.

So THAT's his big beef with Wilson? Believe me, most offenses would GLADLY take an extra short gainer or two for the opportunity to take an extra one or two to the house. If he was at 70% or something, sure, red flag it. But at 46%? That's the run game my friend, a lot of them don't go anywhere.

Shows how little Silva knows about football as well as some of the people that jumped up at that quote and said, "SEE, WILSON SUCKS!"

They either have little knowledge of the game or they are so biased against the guy, they couldn't wait to say "I told you so" before digging into the reality of the situation.

So when someone says, "Sounds like Chris Johnson," maybe the haters should take a deep breath before typing because IT DOES SOUND like CJ. Oh and it sounds like Foster and Martin and Peterson too.

To the Wilson Hate Group, "Sounds like Chris Johnson or Barry Sanders" directly translates to "David Wilson will probably break the all time rushing record this season". When it should translate to "That one, completely irrelevant stat sounds identical to every single elite RB to be in the NFL in the past 50 years."

 

[TheFanatic]

That Silva article was AWFUL. Those numbers are useless in a vacuum. I just looked at all of the top runners in the NFL in terms of rushes that amounted to 2 yards or less. Guess what? Wilson's numbers are right in line with them.

Foster was at 46%

Peterson was at 43%

Martin was at 44%

Wilson was at 46%

Everybody's favorite ole' reliable, BJGE was at 47%.

So THAT's his big beef with Wilson? Believe me, most offenses would GLADLY take an extra short gainer or two for the opportunity to take an extra one or two to the house. If he was at 70% or something, sure, red flag it. But at 46%? That's the run game my friend, a lot of them don't go anywhere.

That Silva article was AWFUL. Those numbers are useless in a vacuum. I just looked at all of the top runners in the NFL in terms of rushes that amounted to 2 yards or less. Guess what? Wilson's numbers are right in line with them.

Foster was at 46%

Peterson was at 43%

Martin was at 44%

Wilson was at 46%

Everybody's favorite ole' reliable, BJGE was at 47%.

So THAT's his big beef with Wilson? Believe me, most offenses would GLADLY take an extra short gainer or two for the opportunity to take an extra one or two to the house. If he was at 70% or something, sure, red flag it. But at 46%? That's the run game my friend, a lot of them don't go anywhere.

Shows how little Silva knows about football as well as some of the people that jumped up at that quote and said, "SEE, WILSON SUCKS!"

They either have little knowledge of the game or they are so biased against the guy, they couldn't wait to say "I told you so" before digging into the reality of the situation.

So when someone says, "Sounds like Chris Johnson," maybe the haters should take a deep breath before typing because IT DOES SOUND like CJ. Oh and it sounds like Foster and Martin and Peterson too.

To the Wilson Hate Group, "Sounds like Chris Johnson or Barry Sanders" directly translates to "David Wilson will probably break the all time rushing record this season". When it should translate to "That one, completely irrelevant stat sounds identical to every single elite RB to be in the NFL in the past 50 years."

Logic and reason. Where have ye been for 24 pages?

 

[Art_VanDalay]

Let's hit the reset button here. All the Wilson Owens/admirers are sayin is that he shows a vey high talent level in a very good situation to give him the opportunity for fantasy sucess. The detractors are really just saying, maybe but slow your roll and in the immortal words of Bill Parcells, let's not put him in Canton just yet.

Now the only other point I would make is this. Before ADP there was T Davis and before him Emmit, etc. When they entered the league with all their talent I am sure the same conversations to place saying it was sacriligous to compare them but they eventually showcased their talents and became the standard.

To win in fantasy timing is everthing. Yes there is risk with Wilson but there also may be great reward and the is all you can ask with a big risk pick. Like I said getting him now is a play to win move for this year.

 

[We Tigers]

To the Wilson Hate Group, "Sounds like Chris Johnson or Barry Sanders" directly translates to "David Wilson will probably break the all time rushing record this season". When it should translate to "That one, completely irrelevant stat sounds identical to every single elite RB to be in the NFL in the past 50 years."

No kidding. When I read the Silva article, my first thought was "did Silva ever watch Brian Westbrook?" And my second thought was "has he ever watched a running back?" Silva writes some good stuff, but this one was a big whiff.

 

[Touchdown There]

Why would I get upset? I would just draft him.

I'm not going to spend two more pages explaining why he isn't CJ Spiller or Charles. It's already a consensus he's the next Jim Brown. I won't bother.

He came with a pretty good post there regarding runs of less than two yards from elite backs. He posted numbers from the compared RB's rookie seasons. Then you bail?

The thread would be better if you'd back up some of your comments with statistics or posted a projection for Wilson this season.

You ignored my previous post regarding the Lamar Wilson vs. David Wilson thread you started. I'm thinking you've chosen Miller and now feel the need to justify that choice by chastising Wilson and/or the people who expect him to have a good year? I apologize in advance if I'm incorrect.

If you look at his past threads, ShaHBucks considers Wilson less talented than both Bradshaw and Brown. I know he is a Bradshaw owner, for sure, and still cannot believe that Bradshaw was released in favor of David Wilson. I think it is very likely that he also had Brown rostered as a "handcuff".

The only conclusion here is that ShaHBucks has no idea about David Wilson. Let him be the last to the party.

 

[Touchdown There]

Why would I get upset? I would just draft him.

I'm not going to spend two more pages explaining why he isn't CJ Spiller or Charles. It's already a consensus he's the next Jim Brown. I won't bother.

He came with a pretty good post there regarding runs of less than two yards from elite backs. He posted numbers from the compared RB's rookie seasons. Then you bail?

The thread would be better if you'd back up some of your comments with statistics or posted a projection for Wilson this season.

You ignored my previous post regarding the Lamar Wilson vs. David Wilson thread you started. I'm thinking you've chosen Miller and now feel the need to justify that choice by chastising Wilson and/or the people who expect him to have a good year? I apologize in advance if I'm incorrect.

If you look at his past threads, ShaHBucks considers Wilson less talented than both Bradshaw and Brown. I know he is a Bradshaw owner, for sure, and still cannot believe that Bradshaw was released in favor of David Wilson. I think it is very likely that he also had Brown rostered as a "handcuff".

The only conclusion here is that ShaHBucks has no idea about David Wilson. Let him be the last to the party.

And just to be clear, ShaHBucks was spewing that nonsense as if it was fact on January 5th. For reference, here is my post just 3 days prior.

On Feb. 6th, just over one month later, Bradshaw was released. Did the Giant release the best back on their team? Someone needs to tell Coughlin or ShaHBucks has no idea what he is talking about.

 

[Banger]

Let's hit the reset button here. All the Wilson Owens/admirers are sayin is that he shows a vey high talent level in a very good situation to give him the opportunity for fantasy sucess. The detractors are really just saying, maybe but slow your roll and in the immortal words of Bill Parcells, let's not put him in Canton just yet.

Now the only other point I would make is this. Before ADP there was T Davis and before him Emmit, etc. When they entered the league with all their talent I am sure the same conversations to place saying it was sacriligous to compare them but they eventually showcased their talents and became the standard.

To win in fantasy timing is everthing. Yes there is risk with Wilson but there also may be great reward and the is all you can ask with a big risk pick. Like I said getting him now is a play to win move for this year.

This is where I am at. I think Wilson is talented, my question is if he'll get the opportunity to justify where I would pick him.

 

[Touchdown There]

CJ Spiller owner. Is this why the comparison bothers you? Is this why you turn off the talk radio? Is this why David Wilson owners annoy you?

 

[ShaHBucks]

CJ Spiller owner. Is this why the comparison bothers you? Is this why you turn off the talk radio? Is this why David Wilson owners annoy you?

Could you make a point?

 

[ShaHBucks]

Why would I get upset? I would just draft him.

I'm not going to spend two more pages explaining why he isn't CJ Spiller or Charles. It's already a consensus he's the next Jim Brown. I won't bother.

He came with a pretty good post there regarding runs of less than two yards from elite backs. He posted numbers from the compared RB's rookie seasons. Then you bail?

The thread would be better if you'd back up some of your comments with statistics or posted a projection for Wilson this season.

You ignored my previous post regarding the Lamar Wilson vs. David Wilson thread you started. I'm thinking you've chosen Miller and now feel the need to justify that choice by chastising Wilson and/or the people who expect him to have a good year? I apologize in advance if I'm incorrect.

If you look at his past threads, ShaHBucks considers Wilson less talented than both Bradshaw and Brown. I know he is a Bradshaw owner, for sure, and still cannot believe that Bradshaw was released in favor of David Wilson. I think it is very likely that he also had Brown rostered as a "handcuff".

The only conclusion here is that ShaHBucks has no idea about David Wilson. Let him be the last to the party.

And if Bradshaw was back Wilson would be fighting to be 1a, 1b or 1c. If you want to slam Brown and Bradshaw I don't care.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I only quoted you because I fkd up the numbers. It's relevant to the current Wilson conversation because the trend carried into the season. He might need to be force feed carries to break a big run. Nothing else was implied.

Fair enough, but Adrian Peterson and Jamaal Charles also had 40-50% of their yardage come on around 10% of their carries last year. Doug Martin and CJ Spiller had high percentages as well. I don't really see this as a big deal for fantasy, unless you play in a league that penalizes for long runs.

LmaoHe's not in a class with those names. I'll say that much.

No offense, but of course you'd say that. For someone who is a Wilson believer, the entire POINT of being a believer is that he could be a 22 year old Spiller or Charles (of course he's not AP). That's his upside. That's the whole idea.

Who knows, his upside could be Barry Sanders

Exactly, this is getting out of hand. How is it possible you can say he's not in a class with those names? You've seen him run the ball about 1/4 of what a normal starting back does in a single season and you're already making these assumptions. His talent and ceiling is about as high as anyone in the NFL right now (at least in my opinion). Clearly he has some issues to iron out, but if he does iron them out the sky is the limit for the kid. To say otherwise is not an objective statement it's a personal assumption.

Funny enough if you watch footage of his runs from last season (and college) side by side with Sanders they actually run incredibly similar. And this whole thing about he negative yardage is ridiculous... every good back accumulates the majority of their yardage on break away plays. Not many elite RBs are these plodders who go 3+ yards on 70% of their carries or something. Charles, AP, Spiller, T Rich, Martin, Foster etc. all have roughly the same percentage of >2 yards as Wilson had last year. But somehow that's a knock against him because he's 'not in the same league' as those guys.

Chose not to believe he has the ability to be one of the best RBs in the NFL if you want too. But don't be upset when he starts tossing up ridiculous numbers every season. To say he isn't Charles or Spiller good is obnoxious also. Spiller was largely considered a bust until last season.

Spiller Rookie Stats: 74 Carries, 283 Yards, 3.8ypc, 0 TDs

Charles Rookie Stats: 67 carries, 357 yards, 5.3 ypc, 0 TDs

Wilson Rookie Stats: 71 rushes, 358 yards, 5.0ypc, 4 TDs

So based on this with the two players that are significantly better than Wilson? Wilson outscored them by MONSTEROUS amounts in fantasy. But it's fine because he's clearly not on their level.

Why would I get upset? I would just draft him.I'm not going to spend two more pages explaining why he isn't CJ Spiller or Charles. It's already a consensus he's the next Jim Brown. I won't bother.

He came with a pretty good post there regarding runs of less than two yards from elite backs. He posted numbers from the compared RB's rookie seasons. Then you bail?

The thread would be better if you'd back up some of your comments with statistics or posted a projection for Wilson this season.

You ignored my previous post regarding the Lamar Wilson vs. David Wilson thread you started. I'm thinking you've chosen Miller and now feel the need to justify that choice by chastising Wilson and/or the people who expect him to have a good year? I apologize in advance if I'm incorrect.

If you think that's all that goes into being Spiller/Charles than I don't know what to tell you. I don't feel like explaining it for two pages. How about you figure out why? And give your stats and projection. Wilson and Miller topic was started because I consider them in the same range of talent. It's a matter of Daniel Thomas vs Andre Brown for how ever long he holds up. I'm not drunk off either guys kool-aid. I didn't answer you because I already went through it.

 

[JayJay328]

So some people think he is the next Barry Sanders and others think he is a bum. What I want to know is will he cry on TV again if he fumbles the ball?

 

[Touchdown There]

CJ Spiller owner. Is this why the comparison bothers you? Is this why you turn off the talk radio? Is this why David Wilson owners annoy you?

Could you make a point?

I am not going to spell it out for you. Everyone else reading this knows what's up.

 

[Touchdown There]

Why would I get upset? I would just draft him.

I'm not going to spend two more pages explaining why he isn't CJ Spiller or Charles. It's already a consensus he's the next Jim Brown. I won't bother.

He came with a pretty good post there regarding runs of less than two yards from elite backs. He posted numbers from the compared RB's rookie seasons. Then you bail?

The thread would be better if you'd back up some of your comments with statistics or posted a projection for Wilson this season.

You ignored my previous post regarding the Lamar Wilson vs. David Wilson thread you started. I'm thinking you've chosen Miller and now feel the need to justify that choice by chastising Wilson and/or the people who expect him to have a good year? I apologize in advance if I'm incorrect.

If you look at his past threads, ShaHBucks considers Wilson less talented than both Bradshaw and Brown. I know he is a Bradshaw owner, for sure, and still cannot believe that Bradshaw was released in favor of David Wilson. I think it is very likely that he also had Brown rostered as a "handcuff".

The only conclusion here is that ShaHBucks has no idea about David Wilson. Let him be the last to the party.

And if Bradshaw was back Wilson would be fighting to be 1a, 1b or 1c. If you want to slam Brown and Bradshaw I don't care.

"If Bradshaw was back" is where you went wrong. To play the game of fantasy football you want to project into the future, and you stick to bias' of the past. You assumed Bradshaw would be back. The post I linked above from early January explained why Bradshaw would not be back. One of those reasons was that Bradshaw would not like to share carries, thus making a 1a and 1b scenario with him unlikely. My post was spot on. You were wrong, just like you are wrong about David Wilson's talent and ceiling.

 

[Leonidas]

That Silva article was AWFUL. Those numbers are useless in a vacuum. I just looked at all of the top runners in the NFL in terms of rushes that amounted to 2 yards or less. Guess what? Wilson's numbers are right in line with them.

Foster was at 46%

Peterson was at 43%

Martin was at 44%

Wilson was at 46%

Everybody's favorite ole' reliable, BJGE was at 47%.

So THAT's his big beef with Wilson? Believe me, most offenses would GLADLY take an extra short gainer or two for the opportunity to take an extra one or two to the house. If he was at 70% or something, sure, red flag it. But at 46%? That's the run game my friend, a lot of them don't go anywhere.

That Silva article was AWFUL. Those numbers are useless in a vacuum. I just looked at all of the top runners in the NFL in terms of rushes that amounted to 2 yards or less. Guess what? Wilson's numbers are right in line with them.

Foster was at 46%

Peterson was at 43%

Martin was at 44%

Wilson was at 46%

Everybody's favorite ole' reliable, BJGE was at 47%.

So THAT's his big beef with Wilson? Believe me, most offenses would GLADLY take an extra short gainer or two for the opportunity to take an extra one or two to the house. If he was at 70% or something, sure, red flag it. But at 46%? That's the run game my friend, a lot of them don't go anywhere.

That Silva article was AWFUL. Those numbers are useless in a vacuum. I just looked at all of the top runners in the NFL in terms of rushes that amounted to 2 yards or less. Guess what? Wilson's numbers are right in line with them.

Foster was at 46%

Peterson was at 43%

Martin was at 44%

Wilson was at 46%

Everybody's favorite ole' reliable, BJGE was at 47%.

So THAT's his big beef with Wilson? Believe me, most offenses would GLADLY take an extra short gainer or two for the opportunity to take an extra one or two to the house. If he was at 70% or something, sure, red flag it. But at 46%? That's the run game my friend, a lot of them don't go anywhere.

Shows how little Silva knows about football as well as some of the people that jumped up at that quote and said, "SEE, WILSON SUCKS!"

They either have little knowledge of the game or they are so biased against the guy, they couldn't wait to say "I told you so" before digging into the reality of the situation.

So when someone says, "Sounds like Chris Johnson," maybe the haters should take a deep breath before typing because IT DOES SOUND like CJ. Oh and it sounds like Foster and Martin and Peterson too.

To the Wilson Hate Group, "Sounds like Chris Johnson or Barry Sanders" directly translates to "David Wilson will probably break the all time rushing record this season". When it should translate to "That one, completely irrelevant stat sounds identical to every single elite RB to be in the NFL in the past 50 years."

Good posts

 

[ShaHBucks]

Why would I get upset? I would just draft him.

I'm not going to spend two more pages explaining why he isn't CJ Spiller or Charles. It's already a consensus he's the next Jim Brown. I won't bother.

He came with a pretty good post there regarding runs of less than two yards from elite backs. He posted numbers from the compared RB's rookie seasons. Then you bail?

The thread would be better if you'd back up some of your comments with statistics or posted a projection for Wilson this season.

You ignored my previous post regarding the Lamar Wilson vs. David Wilson thread you started. I'm thinking you've chosen Miller and now feel the need to justify that choice by chastising Wilson and/or the people who expect him to have a good year? I apologize in advance if I'm incorrect.

If you look at his past threads, ShaHBucks considers Wilson less talented than both Bradshaw and Brown. I know he is a Bradshaw owner, for sure, and still cannot believe that Bradshaw was released in favor of David Wilson. I think it is very likely that he also had Brown rostered as a "handcuff".

The only conclusion here is that ShaHBucks has no idea about David Wilson. Let him be the last to the party.

And if Bradshaw was back Wilson would be fighting to be 1a, 1b or 1c. If you want to slam Brown and Bradshaw I don't care.

"If Bradshaw was back" is where you went wrong. To play the game of fantasy football you want to project into the future, and you stick to bias' of the past. You assumed Bradshaw would be back. The post I linked above from early January explained why Bradshaw would not be back. One of those reasons was that Bradshaw would not like to share carries, thus making a 1a and 1b scenario with him unlikely. My post was spot on. You were wrong, just like you are wrong about David Wilson's talent and ceiling.

Ok

 

[ShaHBucks]

CJ Spiller owner. Is this why the comparison bothers you? Is this why you turn off the talk radio? Is this why David Wilson owners annoy you?

Could you make a point?

I am not going to spell it out for you. Everyone else reading this knows what's up.

Ok

 

[Khy]

CJ Spiller owner. Is this why the comparison bothers you? Is this why you turn off the talk radio? Is this why David Wilson owners annoy you?

Could you make a point?

I am not going to spell it out for you. Everyone else reading this knows what's up.

Just a thought... but considering this is literally a discussing forum for fantasy football and the entire point is spelling out your opinions on players for others. Why don't you do that? Instead of just sitting here idly and saying "I know I'm right and you're all wrong. Maybe if you read something you'd also know what I know. But clearly you guys don't read. So hah". Because honestly every post of yours I've read all I hear is:

"I actually don't know anything about the guy at all nor any other player. But I don't like him because everyone else likes him. So I'll just pretend to have some crazy inside scoop on why he sucks and never actually provide a compelling argument because I don't actually have one."

 

[Leonidas]

CJ Spiller owner. Is this why the comparison bothers you? Is this why you turn off the talk radio? Is this why David Wilson owners annoy you?

Could you make a point?

I am not going to spell it out for you. Everyone else reading this knows what's up.

Spell it out please.

 

[msudaisy26]

I only quoted you because I fkd up the numbers. It's relevant to the current Wilson conversation because the trend carried into the season. He might need to be force feed carries to break a big run. Nothing else was implied.

Fair enough, but Adrian Peterson and Jamaal Charles also had 40-50% of their yardage come on around 10% of their carries last year. Doug Martin and CJ Spiller had high percentages as well. I don't really see this as a big deal for fantasy, unless you play in a league that penalizes for long runs.

LmaoHe's not in a class with those names. I'll say that much.

No offense, but of course you'd say that. For someone who is a Wilson believer, the entire POINT of being a believer is that he could be a 22 year old Spiller or Charles (of course he's not AP). That's his upside. That's the whole idea.

Who knows, his upside could be Barry Sanders

Exactly, this is getting out of hand. How is it possible you can say he's not in a class with those names? You've seen him run the ball about 1/4 of what a normal starting back does in a single season and you're already making these assumptions. His talent and ceiling is about as high as anyone in the NFL right now (at least in my opinion). Clearly he has some issues to iron out, but if he does iron them out the sky is the limit for the kid. To say otherwise is not an objective statement it's a personal assumption.

Funny enough if you watch footage of his runs from last season (and college) side by side with Sanders they actually run incredibly similar. And this whole thing about he negative yardage is ridiculous... every good back accumulates the majority of their yardage on break away plays. Not many elite RBs are these plodders who go 3+ yards on 70% of their carries or something. Charles, AP, Spiller, T Rich, Martin, Foster etc. all have roughly the same percentage of >2 yards as Wilson had last year. But somehow that's a knock against him because he's 'not in the same league' as those guys.

Chose not to believe he has the ability to be one of the best RBs in the NFL if you want too. But don't be upset when he starts tossing up ridiculous numbers every season. To say he isn't Charles or Spiller good is obnoxious also. Spiller was largely considered a bust until last season.

Spiller Rookie Stats: 74 Carries, 283 Yards, 3.8ypc, 0 TDs

Charles Rookie Stats: 67 carries, 357 yards, 5.3 ypc, 0 TDs

Wilson Rookie Stats: 71 rushes, 358 yards, 5.0ypc, 4 TDs

So based on this with the two players that are significantly better than Wilson? Wilson outscored them by MONSTEROUS amounts in fantasy. But it's fine because he's clearly not on their level.

Why would I get upset? I would just draft him.I'm not going to spend two more pages explaining why he isn't CJ Spiller or Charles. It's already a consensus he's the next Jim Brown. I won't bother.

Please the Giants would cut Jim Brown if he was in his prime right now because of Wilson's upside!

 

[netnalp]

Giants putting a lot of practice into the screen game. That plays to Wilson's strengths.

 

[dewaser]

worst thread ever

 

[TwinTurbo]

Another reason I like Wilson is he has legit moves and decent power to go with the speed. There are guys like Michael Bennett for example that were burners but had no shake to go with the bake. Wilson doesn't have elite sprinter speed like Bennett, CJ2K, or Spiller but he's close enough and is almost certainly the fastest player on the Giants.

I think the biggest question is how involved will he be in the passing game and how many receptions?

 

[Grahamburn]

worst thread ever

Improve it? Joined June 2013. 27 posts. Thanks for your contribution to the forum.

 

[TheFanatic]

worst thread ever

Improve it? Joined June 2013. 27 posts. Thanks for your contribution to the forum.

To determine this what sort of sample size did he go with? all 12 threads he looked at?

In all seriousness, welcome to the to board debaser

 

[gandalas]

Wilson just went 2.04 in my 14 team PPR dynasty start-up.

18th overall.

Woah.

I took David Wilson at 2.08 in my PPR dynasty startup back in May. This is not a new phenomenon. I took him as RB10.

 

[Clifford]

Very little about the RBs in camp notes. Seems like a full load will center primarily on ball security and pass pro. Notes thus far in the offseason on Wilson's progress in this area have not been glowing and suggest a RBBC or hot hand approach. Andre Brown was pretty good last year. Averaged over 5 ypc and didn't fumble once. Wilson averaged 5ypc and only fumbled on that first game.

Both backs are good and might just cancel each other out.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Very little about the RBs in camp notes. Seems like a full load will center primarily on ball security and pass pro. Notes thus far in the offseason on Wilson's progress in this area have not been glowing and suggest a RBBC or hot hand approach. Andre Brown was pretty good last year. Averaged over 5 ypc and didn't fumble once. Wilson averaged 5ypc and only fumbled on that first game.

Both backs are good and might just cancel each other out.

Finally, an unemotional post with logic. They are both worthy talent/concepts that will be viable for FF but not great until a injury occurs.

 

[jacobo_moses]

Very little about the RBs in camp notes. Seems like a full load will center primarily on ball security and pass pro. Notes thus far in the offseason on Wilson's progress in this area have not been glowing and suggest a RBBC or hot hand approach. Andre Brown was pretty good last year. Averaged over 5 ypc and didn't fumble once. Wilson averaged 5ypc and only fumbled on that first game.

Both backs are good and might just cancel each other out.

Finally, an unemotional post with logic. They are both worthy talent/concepts that will be viable for FF but not great until a injury occurs.

I will reiterate what I've already said. I'm not very confident in Andre Brown staying healthy for a lot of the season. Size and weight and running style all contributing factors. My case in point. Last year was the 1st year Andre Brown got significant carries. And even with that he only had 3 games where he had 10 or more carries. And even with that small of a workload. He had 3 injuries that caused him leave the game early (one being a broken leg that took him out the rest of the season.) Now I'm not going to be naive and say that Brown won't be a factor, becuz I think he will be. But given Andre Brown's track record for not staying healthy, and David Wilson being the type of back who only needs 12 to 18 touches to put up RB2HE/RB1LE #'s I think owners are overthinking this somewhat. They aren't looking at the whole picture here. Especially given the fact they let Ahmad Bradshaw walk and didn't even attempt to resign him. Wilson did quite well the carries he got at the end of the season last year. Now he has a year under his belt. No reason to believe he can't put up RB2/RB1 #'s most weeks. Just calling it like it is fellas. I think Wilson owners can be optimistic without getting carried away. Plan on RB2 High End #'s and consider it a bonus if he puts up low end RB1 #'s. Thats how I see it as a Wilson owner.

 

[Khy]

Very little about the RBs in camp notes. Seems like a full load will center primarily on ball security and pass pro. Notes thus far in the offseason on Wilson's progress in this area have not been glowing and suggest a RBBC or hot hand approach. Andre Brown was pretty good last year. Averaged over 5 ypc and didn't fumble once. Wilson averaged 5ypc and only fumbled on that first game.

Both backs are good and might just cancel each other out.

Finally, an unemotional post with logic. They are both worthy talent/concepts that will be viable for FF but not great until a injury occurs.

It's not really an unemotional post to be honest. Sure he's not incorrect but still...

- There is very little being talked about the two of them from the first few days of camp.

- Obviously the full load will center on ball security and pass protection. That said Andre Brown's pass protection is also considered not that good. So people keep using this as a strike against Wilson and ignoring it as a strike against Brown. And neither of them actually show-cased ball security issues last season. Sorry guys, but one fumble in 100+ touches of the ball doesn't equate to ball security issues... no matter how much you want to keep bringing it up.

- The notes suggesting that Wilson's progress hasn't been good and that there is going to be a hot hand/rbbc approach have only come from beat writers. The coaches haven't actually made a single statement about this situation yet. It's all ESPN NY and other beat writers making more or less baseless claims, claims that aren't even made with a misunderstood coaches quote. The closest thing we've heard on this was Gilbride saying that Wilson made "significant improvements" but still is "making some mistakes". For the most part I'd say you can ignore the "making some mistakes" sentiment as it's useless. Everyone makes mistakes it doesn't actually mean anything. It's just Gilbride modestly saying "He's improved" without saying to much.

- Brown was pretty good last year and did average 5.3ypc and had a bunch of TDs. I in no way think that Brown won't see field time at all but I do think it's incredibly illogical to think that the Giants are going to rely on a 50/50 split with Brown and Wilson. Brown has an incredibly long history of injury and got injured again at the tail end of last season. They simply won't be game planning for each of them to get 12-15 carries a game. Brown just won't hold up for a 150-200 carry season he just isn't that guy. Personally I see this as more of a 65/30/5 split. So like... Wilson 270, Brown 125, Random Backs - 30. Something like that is the breakdown I see at the end of the season. It's possible they run the ball a lot more than last season and you see Brown approach 150 instead but I don't see him going much higher than that and I think Wilson's carries floor is 250 at the absolute worse.

 

[dewaser]

worst thread ever

Improve it? Joined June 2013. 27 posts. Thanks for your contribution to the forum.

To determine this what sort of sample size did he go with? all 12 threads he looked at?

In all seriousness, welcome to the to board debaser

I'm actually a daily reader of this board, and have been for several months. Thanks though

 

[Touchdown There]

worst thread ever

Improve it? Joined June 2013. 27 posts. Thanks for your contribution to the forum.

To determine this what sort of sample size did he go with? all 12 threads he looked at?

In all seriousness, welcome to the to board debaser

I'm actually a daily reader of this board, and have been for several months. Thanks though

Reading and posting good content are two different things. You are a board debaser.

 

[dewaser]

worst thread ever

Improve it? Joined June 2013. 27 posts. Thanks for your contribution to the forum.

To determine this what sort of sample size did he go with? all 12 threads he looked at?

In all seriousness, welcome to the to board debaser

I'm actually a daily reader of this board, and have been for several months. Thanks though

Reading and posting good content are two different things. You are a board debaser.

Just from observation, this thread is filled with those who are blindly supporting Wilson, and think he's the messiah, and those who are trashing him. You want my opinion? It's going to be a timeshare, with Wilson getting about 55-60% of the carries, and brown getting about 40-45%. And even if brown goes down with injury, I can't see the giants giving Wilson all of the carries, they haven't done it since tiki. So, I think Wilson will have a good year, but not earth shattering. Maybe in his third or fourth year I could see a full on breakout. But people need to calm their expectations when their is a fully capable running back in Andre brown sitting in the wings, waiting to steal td's. for Wilson, I'm predicting a 230 carry 1160 yd 7 td season. Not bad, but not up to the hype either.

 

[ShaHBucks]

worst thread ever

Improve it? Joined June 2013. 27 posts. Thanks for your contribution to the forum.

To determine this what sort of sample size did he go with? all 12 threads he looked at?

In all seriousness, welcome to the to board debaser

I'm actually a daily reader of this board, and have been for several months. Thanks though

Reading and posting good content are two different things. You are a board debaser.

Just from observation, this thread is filled with those who are blindly supporting Wilson, and think he's the messiah, and those who are trashing him. You want my opinion? It's going to be a timeshare, with Wilson getting about 55-60% of the carries, and brown getting about 40-45%. And even if brown goes down with injury, I can't see the giants giving Wilson all of the carries, they haven't done it since tiki. So, I think Wilson will have a good year, but not earth shattering. Maybe in his third or fourth year I could see a full on breakout. But people need to calm their expectations when their is a fully capable running back in Andre brown sitting in the wings, waiting to steal td's. for Wilson, I'm predicting a 230 carry 1160 yd 7 td season. Not bad, but not up to the hype either.

I was not expecting you to have a good post after that start. Lol that's actually whithin reason even I you think he's a Spiller/Charles talent.

 

[Khy]

Just from observation, this thread is filled with those who are blindly supporting Wilson, and think he's the messiah, and those who are trashing him. You want my opinion? It's going to be a timeshare, with Wilson getting about 55-60% of the carries, and brown getting about 40-45%. And even if brown goes down with injury, I can't see the giants giving Wilson all of the carries, they haven't done it since tiki. So, I think Wilson will have a good year, but not earth shattering. Maybe in his third or fourth year I could see a full on breakout. But people need to calm their expectations when their is a fully capable running back in Andre brown sitting in the wings, waiting to steal td's. for Wilson, I'm predicting a 230 carry 1160 yd 7 td season. Not bad, but not up to the hype either.

See my biggest issue with the opinions like this is that Andre Brown is a "fully capable running back". That just seems like a completely random statement with very little to back it up. The guy is 26 years old... was a relative nobody when he was drafted. And has bounced around the league for 3 seasons doing nothing. Until last year he had like 2 carries for -1 yards on his 3 year career. Forgive me but nothing about that screams "fully capable running back". It screams "average brittle running back".

 

[ShaHBucks]

Very little about the RBs in camp notes. Seems like a full load will center primarily on ball security and pass pro. Notes thus far in the offseason on Wilson's progress in this area have not been glowing and suggest a RBBC or hot hand approach. Andre Brown was pretty good last year. Averaged over 5 ypc and didn't fumble once. Wilson averaged 5ypc and only fumbled on that first game.

Both backs are good and might just cancel each other out.

Finally, an unemotional post with logic. They are both worthy talent/concepts that will be viable for FF but not great until a injury occurs.

It's not really an unemotional post to be honest. Sure he's not incorrect but still...

- There is very little being talked about the two of them from the first few days of camp.

- Obviously the full load will center on ball security and pass protection. That said Andre Brown's pass protection is also considered not that good. So people keep using this as a strike against Wilson and ignoring it as a strike against Brown. And neither of them actually show-cased ball security issues last season. Sorry guys, but one fumble in 100+ touches of the ball doesn't equate to ball security issues... no matter how much you want to keep bringing it up.

- The notes suggesting that Wilson's progress hasn't been good and that there is going to be a hot hand/rbbc approach have only come from beat writers. The coaches haven't actually made a single statement about this situation yet. It's all ESPN NY and other beat writers making more or less baseless claims, claims that aren't even made with a misunderstood coaches quote. The closest thing we've heard on this was Gilbride saying that Wilson made "significant improvements" but still is "making some mistakes". For the most part I'd say you can ignore the "making some mistakes" sentiment as it's useless. Everyone makes mistakes it doesn't actually mean anything. It's just Gilbride modestly saying "He's improved" without saying to much.

- Brown was pretty good last year and did average 5.3ypc and had a bunch of TDs. I in no way think that Brown won't see field time at all but I do think it's incredibly illogical to think that the Giants are going to rely on a 50/50 split with Brown and Wilson. Brown has an incredibly long history of injury and got injured again at the tail end of last season. They simply won't be game planning for each of them to get 12-15 carries a game. Brown just won't hold up for a 150-200 carry season he just isn't that guy. Personally I see this as more of a 65/30/5 split. So like... Wilson 270, Brown 125, Random Backs - 30. Something like that is the breakdown I see at the end of the season. It's possible they run the ball a lot more than last season and you see Brown approach 150 instead but I don't see him going much higher than that and I think Wilson's carries floor is 250 at the absolute worse.

Well pass pro kept Bradshaw on the field supposedly. I can see that being a reason one or the other gets relegated to the bench. I can't say that's something I take note of when I watched the games. YPC is easy to gage so everyone quotes it. There's more to what's on surface. For one, when I'm looking at fantasy stats I don't count week 17. Anything happens statistically during week 17. Then I've tried to explain the context of his other two nice plays late in blowouts vs bad teams. It's a small sample size but it wasn't that impressive. I think he has enough talent to excel as the main carry back, but I don't think his rookie season was all that great. I also mentioned the drops I seem from Wilson.

Caughlin will not keep a healthy Brown on the bench. He's going to play the most effective back. That's how Brown got his opportunity. That's why Da'Rel Scott got more touches vs Car. That's why Kregg Lumpkin split carries with Wilson with Brown/Bradshaw out. Tom Couglin will not sit a healthy Andre Brown. Wilson will play and be fine, but all these "experts" saying he's "a given" to be a top tier back is silly - there's more reg flags than glowing positives. The hype just carried over from 2012.

I think this is back to being what Jacobs and Bradshaw was. Wilson is the new Bradshaw and Brown is Jacobs. Or What Jacobs and Ward was. I have them side by side in my rankings. At Wilson's ADP, top 25-40, you can have him. I'll hope and pray Brown stays healthy and gives me more value at his ADP. I think they will both get at least 175 touches.

 

[Khy]

Caughlin will not keep a healthy Brown on the bench. He's going to play the most effective back. That's how Brown got his opportunity. That's why Da'Rel Scott got more touches vs Car. That's why Kregg Lumpkin split carries with Wilson with Brown/Bradshaw out. Tom Couglin will not sit a healthy Andre Brown. Wilson will play and be fine, but all these "experts" saying he's "a given" to be a top tier back is silly - there's more reg flags than glowing positives. The hype just carried over from 2012.

See I don't even understand how you can possibly come to these conclusions. You are literally just assuming that the Giants consider Brown the most effective back. Which is a completely awful assumption. The reasons that Brown, Scott and Lumpkin saw more carries or split carries than Wilson have absolutely nothing to do with Wilson's on the field effectiveness. It had a lot more to do with off the field things: Wilson's maturity, Coughlin's typical handling of first year skill position players.

All these experts are saying these things because they are making objective statements based on actual evidence. The actual evidence tells us that Andre Brown is an average running back who had a couple of good games last season and that David Wilson has the physical potential to be one of the most explosive running backs in the NFL.

Long story short, don't make baseless assumptions that Coughlin won't sit a healthy Andre Brown. You make Brown sound like he's Adrian Peterson or something. He's a average 4th round draft pick who has a little over 300 yards to his name in four seasons since being drafted. I really think you need to take a step back and be objective about that situation. Rather then telling people that they're over hyping Wilson. Because as far as I see it, thinking Brown is anything more than your average compliment back is the only over hyping happening with the Giants backfield situation.

YPC is easy to gage so everyone quotes it. There's more to what's on surface. For one, when I'm looking at fantasy stats I don't count week 17. Anything happens statistically during week 17. Then I've tried to explain the context of his other two nice plays late in blowouts vs bad teams. It's a small sample size but it wasn't that impressive. I think he has enough talent to excel as the main carry back, but I don't think his rookie season was all that great. I also mentioned the drops I seem from Wilson.

You really can't negate Week 17 when trying to evaluate a second year player who is going to go from 4-5 random carries a game to 15+ a game. That's ridiculous. We have 71 carries to look at from the kid and you're going to negate 15 of them because they came in a non-fantasy game? WHAT? How is that logical at all, we're trying to evaluate his performance over a full season. It's like you're literally just trying to find ways to nitpick why he's bad.

 

[dewaser]

Just from observation, this thread is filled with those who are blindly supporting Wilson, and think he's the messiah, and those who are trashing him. You want my opinion? It's going to be a timeshare, with Wilson getting about 55-60% of the carries, and brown getting about 40-45%. And even if brown goes down with injury, I can't see the giants giving Wilson all of the carries, they haven't done it since tiki. So, I think Wilson will have a good year, but not earth shattering. Maybe in his third or fourth year I could see a full on breakout. But people need to calm their expectations when their is a fully capable running back in Andre brown sitting in the wings, waiting to steal td's. for Wilson, I'm predicting a 230 carry 1160 yd 7 td season. Not bad, but not up to the hype either.

See my biggest issue with the opinions like this is that Andre Brown is a "fully capable running back". That just seems like a completely random statement with very little to back it up. The guy is 26 years old... was a relative nobody when he was drafted. And has bounced around the league for 3 seasons doing nothing. Until last year he had like 2 carries for -1 yards on his 3 year career. Forgive me but nothing about that screams "fully capable running back". It screams "average brittle running back".

Yeah, but he had a strong showing last year in the games he played and you can't just discount that. He proved he was a good RB and got the start over Wilson. It's not like he's just going to go away, Coughlin obviously trusts him, and he's got the talent to be a successful running back in the league. He's been injured most of his career, that's why he's had so little carries.

 

[Khy]

Just from observation, this thread is filled with those who are blindly supporting Wilson, and think he's the messiah, and those who are trashing him. You want my opinion? It's going to be a timeshare, with Wilson getting about 55-60% of the carries, and brown getting about 40-45%. And even if brown goes down with injury, I can't see the giants giving Wilson all of the carries, they haven't done it since tiki. So, I think Wilson will have a good year, but not earth shattering. Maybe in his third or fourth year I could see a full on breakout. But people need to calm their expectations when their is a fully capable running back in Andre brown sitting in the wings, waiting to steal td's. for Wilson, I'm predicting a 230 carry 1160 yd 7 td season. Not bad, but not up to the hype either.

See my biggest issue with the opinions like this is that Andre Brown is a "fully capable running back". That just seems like a completely random statement with very little to back it up. The guy is 26 years old... was a relative nobody when he was drafted. And has bounced around the league for 3 seasons doing nothing. Until last year he had like 2 carries for -1 yards on his 3 year career. Forgive me but nothing about that screams "fully capable running back". It screams "average brittle running back".

Yeah, but he had a strong showing last year in the games he played and you can't just discount that. He proved he was a good RB and got the start over Wilson. It's not like he's just going to go away, Coughlin obviously trusts him, and he's got the talent to be a successful running back in the league. He's been injured most of his career, that's why he's had so little carries.

Does he though? Where do you get this idea that Coughlin trusts him? That's an honest question. People are just making these assumptions that he trusts Brown more than Wilson. When the reality of the situation is actually that he doesn't trust rookies with the ball in their hand. Guess what, at the end of it all? Brown had 3 games over 10 carries, so did Wilson. Might Brown of had more than 3? Maybe, but that's pure speculation and you'd have literal zero basis for that argument. Simple answer is he didn't so no. This whole "Coughlin trusts Brown" and "Coughlin won't sit a healthy Andre Brown" thing is literally just being pulled out of thin air. Brown AND Wilson had strong showings last season. The difference being that David Wilson is a vicious explosive talent who was drafted in the first round to take over the starting RB duties for this team. Andre Brown is a good talent who was drafted in the fourth round and has never been able to stay healthy his entire career and had three good games in three years. This is David Wilson's backfield, you can try to argue it all you want, can say it's going to be a 50/50 split but honestly you're just pulling these things from nowhere. The entire NFL community is excited about David Wilson's prospects, do you really think the Giants organization is sitting around going "Eh, I don't know why everyone loves David so much... we got ANDRE!". Here's a hint, they're not. If anything they're saying "I can't wait to see what Wilson does this season and thank God we have Brown behind him for a solid change of pace and a good backup in case something happens to Wilson."

 

[ShaHBucks]

Caughlin will not keep a healthy Brown on the bench. He's going to play the most effective back. That's how Brown got his opportunity. That's why Da'Rel Scott got more touches vs Car. That's why Kregg Lumpkin split carries with Wilson with Brown/Bradshaw out. Tom Couglin will not sit a healthy Andre Brown. Wilson will play and be fine, but all these "experts" saying he's "a given" to be a top tier back is silly - there's more reg flags than glowing positives. The hype just carried over from 2012.

See I don't even understand how you can possibly come to these conclusions. You are literally just assuming that the Giants consider Brown the most effective back. Which is a completely awful assumption. The reasons that Brown, Scott and Lumpkin saw more carries or split carries than Wilson have absolutely nothing to do with Wilson's on the field effectiveness. It had a lot more to do with off the field things: Wilson's maturity, Coughlin's typical handling of first year skill position players.

All these experts are saying these things because they are making objective statements based on actual evidence. The actual evidence tells us that Andre Brown is an average running back who had a couple of good games last season and that David Wilson has the physical potential to be one of the most explosive running backs in the NFL.

Long story short, don't make baseless assumptions that Coughlin won't sit a healthy Andre Brown. You make Brown sound like he's Adrian Peterson or something. He's a average 4th round draft pick who has a little over 300 yards to his name in four seasons since being drafted. I really think you need to take a step back and be objective about that situation. Rather then telling people that they're over hyping Wilson. Because as far as I see it, thinking Brown is anything more than your average compliment back is the only over hyping happening with the Giants backfield situation.

YPC is easy to gage so everyone quotes it. There's more to what's on surface. For one, when I'm looking at fantasy stats I don't count week 17. Anything happens statistically during week 17. Then I've tried to explain the context of his other two nice plays late in blowouts vs bad teams. It's a small sample size but it wasn't that impressive. I think he has enough talent to excel as the main carry back, but I don't think his rookie season was all that great. I also mentioned the drops I seem from Wilson.

You really can't negate Week 17 when trying to evaluate a second year player who is going to go from 4-5 random carries a game to 15+ a game. That's ridiculous. We have 71 carries to look at from the kid and you're going to negate 15 of them because they came in a non-fantasy game? WHAT? How is that logical at all, we're trying to evaluate his performance over a full season. It's like you're literally just trying to find ways to nitpick why he's bad.

Well ignore Brown. I don't know what else to say. He's going to play, there a chance he actually leads the team in carries and that's how I handicapped it assuming both guys play 16 games. If you feel Caughlin will say "hey, your just a 4th round pick that has never stayed healthy until last season. Regardless of what you can do when healthy I'm not going to use you" then I don't know what to say about that either. From what I know of Cauglin he won't care about any of that. I'm not nitpicking to make him look bad, I do it with every player. Week 17 is irregular from the standpoint that philosophies and motivations are changed/heightened/different than normal. It's never been much help to me. It's a freak show. If you think the week 17 Eagles of last season are a good data point then fine. It's not something I'd be willing to make solid projection off of.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Just from observation, this thread is filled with those who are blindly supporting Wilson, and think he's the messiah, and those who are trashing him. You want my opinion? It's going to be a timeshare, with Wilson getting about 55-60% of the carries, and brown getting about 40-45%. And even if brown goes down with injury, I can't see the giants giving Wilson all of the carries, they haven't done it since tiki. So, I think Wilson will have a good year, but not earth shattering. Maybe in his third or fourth year I could see a full on breakout. But people need to calm their expectations when their is a fully capable running back in Andre brown sitting in the wings, waiting to steal td's. for Wilson, I'm predicting a 230 carry 1160 yd 7 td season. Not bad, but not up to the hype either.

See my biggest issue with the opinions like this is that Andre Brown is a "fully capable running back". That just seems like a completely random statement with very little to back it up. The guy is 26 years old... was a relative nobody when he was drafted. And has bounced around the league for 3 seasons doing nothing. Until last year he had like 2 carries for -1 yards on his 3 year career. Forgive me but nothing about that screams "fully capable running back". It screams "average brittle running back".

Yeah, but he had a strong showing last year in the games he played and you can't just discount that. He proved he was a good RB and got the start over Wilson. It's not like he's just going to go away, Coughlin obviously trusts him, and he's got the talent to be a successful running back in the league. He's been injured most of his career, that's why he's had so little carries.

Does he though? Where do you get this idea that Coughlin trusts him? That's an honest question. People are just making these assumptions that he trusts Brown more than Wilson. When the reality of the situation is actually that he doesn't trust rookies with the ball in their hand. Guess what, at the end of it all? Brown had 3 games over 10 carries, so did Wilson. Might Brown of had more than 3? Maybe, but that's pure speculation and you'd have literal zero basis for that argument. Simple answer is he didn't so no. This whole "Coughlin trusts Brown" and "Coughlin won't sit a healthy Andre Brown" thing is literally just being pulled out of thin air. Brown AND Wilson had strong showings last season. The difference being that David Wilson is a vicious explosive talent who was drafted in the first round to take over the starting RB duties for this team. Andre Brown is a good talent who was drafted in the fourth round and has never been able to stay healthy his entire career and had three good games in three years. This is David Wilson's backfield, you can try to argue it all you want, can say it's going to be a 50/50 split but honestly you're just pulling these things from nowhere. The entire NFL community is excited about David Wilson's prospects, do you really think the Giants organization is sitting around going "Eh, I don't know why everyone loves David so much... we got ANDRE!". Here's a hint, they're not. If anything they're saying "I can't wait to see what Wilson does this season and thank God we have Brown behind him for a solid change of pace and a good backup in case something happens to Wilson."

You say we're making baseless assumptions and then have a hypothetical conversation with the entire organization

 

[Pump N Go]

Is there a more polarizing player in fantasy?

 

[Grahamburn]

Everyone should just shoot over to Wilson's spotlight page and make their projection for this backfield. Interestingly enough, I bet must of us who are objective about this situation at all would end up right around the same numbers for him.

 

[monk]

Very little about the RBs in camp notes. Seems like a full load will center primarily on ball security and pass pro. Notes thus far in the offseason on Wilson's progress in this area have not been glowing and suggest a RBBC or hot hand approach. Andre Brown was pretty good last year. Averaged over 5 ypc and didn't fumble once. Wilson averaged 5ypc and only fumbled on that first game.

Both backs are good and might just cancel each other out.

Paul Dotino was on the FAN yesterday said the fumble thing has been blown way out of proportion ... Wilson fumbled in his first game then went 130 touches without a fumble.

He said Wilson is so fast and so quick that he barely needs a hole to bust a big run.

He expects Wilson to get 18 - 20 touches per game. Said even if he were to get only 12 -15 touches per game he would expect him to be in the top rbs for 20 + yard plays and yards per carry.

He did say that he needs work on pass blocking but I heard Andre Brown also does.

 

[Khy]

Very little about the RBs in camp notes. Seems like a full load will center primarily on ball security and pass pro. Notes thus far in the offseason on Wilson's progress in this area have not been glowing and suggest a RBBC or hot hand approach. Andre Brown was pretty good last year. Averaged over 5 ypc and didn't fumble once. Wilson averaged 5ypc and only fumbled on that first game.

Both backs are good and might just cancel each other out.

Paul Dotino was on the FAN yesterday said the fumble thing has been blown way out of proportion ... Wilson fumbled in his first game then went 130 touches without a fumble.

He said Wilson is so fast and so quick that he barely needs a hole to bust a big run.

He expects Wilson to get 18 - 20 touches per game. Said even if he were to get only 12 -15 touches per game he would expect him to be in the top rbs for 20 + yard plays and yards per carry.

He did say that he needs work on pass blocking but I heard Andre Brown also does.

To my understanding Brown's pass protection is every bit as bad as Wilson's was last season.

 

[sweaty_swami]

Just from observation, this thread is filled with those who are blindly supporting Wilson, and think he's the messiah, and those who are trashing him. You want my opinion? It's going to be a timeshare, with Wilson getting about 55-60% of the carries, and brown getting about 40-45%. And even if brown goes down with injury, I can't see the giants giving Wilson all of the carries, they haven't done it since tiki. So, I think Wilson will have a good year, but not earth shattering. Maybe in his third or fourth year I could see a full on breakout. But people need to calm their expectations when their is a fully capable running back in Andre brown sitting in the wings, waiting to steal td's. for Wilson, I'm predicting a 230 carry 1160 yd 7 td season. Not bad, but not up to the hype either.

See my biggest issue with the opinions like this is that Andre Brown is a "fully capable running back". That just seems like a completely random statement with very little to back it up. The guy is 26 years old... was a relative nobody when he was drafted. And has bounced around the league for 3 seasons doing nothing. Until last year he had like 2 carries for -1 yards on his 3 year career. Forgive me but nothing about that screams "fully capable running back". It screams "average brittle running back".

Yeah, but he had a strong showing last year in the games he played and you can't just discount that. He proved he was a good RB and got the start over Wilson. It's not like he's just going to go away, Coughlin obviously trusts him, and he's got the talent to be a successful running back in the league. He's been injured most of his career, that's why he's had so little carries.

Does he though? Where do you get this idea that Coughlin trusts him? That's an honest question. People are just making these assumptions that he trusts Brown more than Wilson. When the reality of the situation is actually that he doesn't trust rookies with the ball in their hand. Guess what, at the end of it all? Brown had 3 games over 10 carries, so did Wilson. Might Brown of had more than 3? Maybe, but that's pure speculation and you'd have literal zero basis for that argument. Simple answer is he didn't so no. This whole "Coughlin trusts Brown" and "Coughlin won't sit a healthy Andre Brown" thing is literally just being pulled out of thin air. Brown AND Wilson had strong showings last season. The difference being that David Wilson is a vicious explosive talent who was drafted in the first round to take over the starting RB duties for this team. Andre Brown is a good talent who was drafted in the fourth round and has never been able to stay healthy his entire career and had three good games in three years. This is David Wilson's backfield, you can try to argue it all you want, can say it's going to be a 50/50 split but honestly you're just pulling these things from nowhere. The entire NFL community is excited about David Wilson's prospects, do you really think the Giants organization is sitting around going "Eh, I don't know why everyone loves David so much... we got ANDRE!". Here's a hint, they're not. If anything they're saying "I can't wait to see what Wilson does this season and thank God we have Brown behind him for a solid change of pace and a good backup in case something happens to Wilson."

It's not exactly pulled out of thin air. Brown got carries instead of Wilson when both were healthy earlier in the season. Wilson got carries when Brown was hurt later in the season.

The question then is, "Did Wilson do enough and has he learned enough to gain Coughlin's trust?"

I agree with you that Wilson is the superior talent to Brown, and I would say the answer to the above question is probably "yes", but I'm not saying it with great confidence.

 

[Leonidas]

Andre Brown's TD's came from:

2 yards

1 yard

1 yard

1 yard

1 yard

1 yard

2 yards

2 yards

David Wilson's TD's came from:

40 yards

6 yards

52 yards

14 yards

15 yards (reception)

Clearly Andre Brown was the goal line back. And I haven't seen anybody make a case why that won't change.

However, this also indicates to me that Andre needs to be the goal line back to score.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Clearly Andre Brown was the goal line back. And I haven't seen anybody make a case why that won't change.

However, this also indicates to me that Andre needs to be the goal line back to score.

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Depends on what "goal line back" means to people.

Brown had 12 rushes from the opponents 5 yard line to their goal line, and so did did Bradshaw.

Wilson had 3.

Brown just converted more into touchdowns.

Wilson and Bradshaw had higher ypc than Brown. Maybe ALL his were from the 1 or 2 yard line? Had 10 yards on those 12 carries.

 

[Sabertooth]