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[JamesTheScot]

DJ Ware just got cut 4 mins ago

https://twitter.com/...546845082492929

Very interesting. 3rd down duty probably goes to Bradshaw instead of the rumored Ware, but may also point to team brass increasing confidence in Wilson.

I think Bradshaw gets those 3rd down looks starting out, but I don't think that's why they released Ware. Nor do I think the staff are relying on Bradshaw to stay healthy all season.That basically leaves them having confidence in Wilson and thinking he isn't exactly a horrible option on 3rd down if Bradshaw gets dinged up.

It's a short term bump for Bradshaw if you thought Ware was actually going to get most of those snaps. But I don't think it changes the long term picture at all. This was always going to come down to Bradshaw vs. Wilson.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Very interesting cut.

My question is though, who is the next vet in line?

Here is my take. For a top 5 passing team that throws almost 600 times a year, who will assume pass-blocking duties? Their bread is buttered in the passing game and there is no way they're banking on Bradshaw to do it all. I know some here think Wilson is special and he looks like Barry Sanders ect... but the truth is, he's a rook and the Giants don't trust him on passing downs.

Coughlin and Manning have recently spoke to his green-ness and how he's totally ran the wrong way on some plays in games. In preseason they only use Wilson in running plays, play action or have him running patterns while someone else stays in to block. Now I'm not making a talent comparison, but this is how Donald Brown was handled when he was a rook in Indy. They didn't want to tempt fate with a green guy blocking for Manning. Who would on a passing team? I envision a role similar to Donald Brown's rookie season.. He'll get usage on running downs, a series with plays designed for him here and there (plays he's comfortable with, very little PB responsibility) and possibly use him as the closer for games where they're protecting the lead. This team just won the Super Bowl, they aren't about to change up the offense for a rookie. If he can pick up the offense and leave his fumbling problems behind, his role will grow.

I'm not meaning to rain on the parade here, but with late drafts and week 1 of the regular season coming, it's a good for us to assess what we have here. IMO, he is now overvalued in drafts. His current ADP is ahead of Jennings, Tate, Rodgers and DeAngelo Williams. That is just stupid and those taking him that early will regret it. Whether Bradshaw is healthy or not, Wilson has limited upside in this offense. Will he rise to the occasion? Who knows? Time will tell.

Anyway, cheers and here's to a new season and all of the comedy that comes with it.

It would be tremendously short-sighted to assume that thoughts on a rookie are static.Unless you think they were planning on cutting Ware all along, they obviously changed their minds on Ware's importance and role with the team. So then what else have they changed their minds on? Maybe how quickly the rookie is going to be ready for 3rd downs?

I have no problem putting him ahead of the players you mention. If you think he can put Bradshaw on the bench, you should take him before each of those guys. Why? Because barring injury, none of those guys are going to claim a lion's share of their RB touches. Wilson benefits from the unknown in that regard. We know what those other backs are. We don't know what Wilson is yet. So we gamble on upside that might be there rather than upside that we know isn't there.

 

[Yenrub]

I think this means that they trust and have been impressed with Andre Brown. He probably is a less expensive version of Ware.

 

[netnalp]

DJ Ware just got cut 4 mins ago

https://twitter.com/...546845082492929

Very interesting. 3rd down duty probably goes to Bradshaw instead of the rumored Ware, but may also point to team brass increasing confidence in Wilson.

I think Bradshaw gets those 3rd down looks starting out, but I don't think that's why they released Ware. Nor do I think the staff are relying on Bradshaw to stay healthy all season.That basically leaves them having confidence in Wilson and thinking he isn't exactly a horrible option on 3rd down if Bradshaw gets dinged up.

It's a short term bump for Bradshaw if you thought Ware was actually going to get most of those snaps. But I don't think it changes the long term picture at all. This was always going to come down to Bradshaw vs. Wilson.

I think so too.Coaches must think Wilson is good enough at pass blocking or will be soon. A good sign is he didn't fumble once in the preseason. RBBC with Brasdshaw.

Brown probably takes Ward's snaps.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

DJ Ware just got cut 4 mins ago

https://twitter.com/...546845082492929

Very interesting. 3rd down duty probably goes to Bradshaw instead of the rumored Ware, but may also point to team brass increasing confidence in Wilson.

I think Bradshaw gets those 3rd down looks starting out, but I don't think that's why they released Ware. Nor do I think the staff are relying on Bradshaw to stay healthy all season.That basically leaves them having confidence in Wilson and thinking he isn't exactly a horrible option on 3rd down if Bradshaw gets dinged up.

It's a short term bump for Bradshaw if you thought Ware was actually going to get most of those snaps. But I don't think it changes the long term picture at all. This was always going to come down to Bradshaw vs. Wilson.

This is an excellent point. Cutting Ware improves Bradshaw and Wilson's outlook somewhat, but I don't think this correlates to an improved ADP necessarily. The handcuff scenario, however, is much clearer and simpler to plan for those still drafting or seeking a trade. Everybody should be trying to get both guys on their roster if they already own one.

 

[JamesTheScot]

DJ Ware just got cut 4 mins ago

https://twitter.com/...546845082492929

Very interesting. 3rd down duty probably goes to Bradshaw instead of the rumored Ware, but may also point to team brass increasing confidence in Wilson.

Of course this move is because of the GMEN having confidence in Wilson to possibly split the load.. Both RBs can have a lot of fantasy value..

Of course, but the fact that it was Ware and not Andre Brown shows that maybe, just maybe, they think Wilson can also eventually serve in a 3rd down capacity. That seemed to be Ware's role heading into the season.

of course the Giants took Wilson in the 1st round.. They believe he can do everything eventually...

But when they cut Ware before game 1, eventually just became 2012, not 2013 like some believe.Now, do you think Coughlin and co. are confident they are going to get 16 healthy games out of Bradshaw? If not, what does that tell you about their thoughts on Wilson? It tells me that they are comfortable having Wilson as their 3rd down back in the (likely) event that Bradshaw goes down or is ineffective this season.

If he's made them that confident in less than a month, where will he stand at the beginning of October? What about November? What about December as we head into our playoffs?

 

[One]

DJ Ware just got cut 4 mins ago

https://twitter.com/...546845082492929

Very interesting. 3rd down duty probably goes to Bradshaw instead of the rumored Ware, but may also point to team brass increasing confidence in Wilson.

Of course this move is because of the GMEN having confidence in Wilson to possibly split the load.. Both RBs can have a lot of fantasy value..

Of course, but the fact that it was Ware and not Andre Brown shows that maybe, just maybe, they think Wilson can also eventually serve in a 3rd down capacity. That seemed to be Ware's role heading into the season.

of course the Giants took Wilson in the 1st round.. They believe he can do everything eventually...

But when they cut Ware before game 1, eventually just became 2012, not 2013 like some believe.Now, do you think Coughlin and co. are confident they are going to get 16 healthy games out of Bradshaw? If not, what does that tell you about their thoughts on Wilson? It tells me that they are comfortable having Wilson as their 3rd down back in the (likely) event that Bradshaw goes down or is ineffective this season.If he's made them that confident in less than a month, where will he stand at the beginning of October? What about November? What about December as we head into our playoffs?

If they're confident in Wilson pass pro, why wouldn't let him block in pre-season?

 

[netnalp]

DJ Ware just got cut 4 mins ago

https://twitter.com/...546845082492929

Very interesting. 3rd down duty probably goes to Bradshaw instead of the rumored Ware, but may also point to team brass increasing confidence in Wilson.

Of course this move is because of the GMEN having confidence in Wilson to possibly split the load.. Both RBs can have a lot of fantasy value..

Of course, but the fact that it was Ware and not Andre Brown shows that maybe, just maybe, they think Wilson can also eventually serve in a 3rd down capacity. That seemed to be Ware's role heading into the season.

of course the Giants took Wilson in the 1st round.. They believe he can do everything eventually...

But when they cut Ware before game 1, eventually just became 2012, not 2013 like some believe.Now, do you think Coughlin and co. are confident they are going to get 16 healthy games out of Bradshaw? If not, what does that tell you about their thoughts on Wilson? It tells me that they are comfortable having Wilson as their 3rd down back in the (likely) event that Bradshaw goes down or is ineffective this season.If he's made them that confident in less than a month, where will he stand at the beginning of October? What about November? What about December as we head into our playoffs?

If they're confident in Wilson pass pro, why wouldn't let him block in pre-season?

In the last two preseason games Wilson was out with the 1st teamers.

 

[One]

DJ Ware just got cut 4 mins ago

https://twitter.com/...546845082492929

Very interesting. 3rd down duty probably goes to Bradshaw instead of the rumored Ware, but may also point to team brass increasing confidence in Wilson.

Of course this move is because of the GMEN having confidence in Wilson to possibly split the load.. Both RBs can have a lot of fantasy value..

Of course, but the fact that it was Ware and not Andre Brown shows that maybe, just maybe, they think Wilson can also eventually serve in a 3rd down capacity. That seemed to be Ware's role heading into the season.

of course the Giants took Wilson in the 1st round.. They believe he can do everything eventually...

But when they cut Ware before game 1, eventually just became 2012, not 2013 like some believe.Now, do you think Coughlin and co. are confident they are going to get 16 healthy games out of Bradshaw? If not, what does that tell you about their thoughts on Wilson? It tells me that they are comfortable having Wilson as their 3rd down back in the (likely) event that Bradshaw goes down or is ineffective this season.If he's made them that confident in less than a month, where will he stand at the beginning of October? What about November? What about December as we head into our playoffs?

If they're confident in Wilson pass pro, why wouldn't let him block in pre-season?

In the last two preseason games Wilson was out with the 1st teamers.

You're right, but you have to look at how Wilson was allowed to be used. Brown and Ware came in on all 3rd downs. On plays that Wilson was in, they exclusively ran either 1.) a running play, 2.) play action or 3.) running patterns while someone else stayed in to block. They left him zero responsibility in pass pro. All of that responsibility was left for Brown and Ware.

 

[JamesTheScot]

I think this means that they trust and have been impressed with Andre Brown. He probably is a less expensive version of Ware.

Got any sources for that opinion? I liked the guy as a rookie but I've heard nothing real positive about him recently that makes me think he's climbing the depth chart through anything other than attrition. I have read that Da'Rell Scott had improved in his blocking, but it looks like both of them have roster spots primarily because of their special teams usage. I've seen nothing that connects Brown to the 3rd down role.Did the rookie 1st round pick that has earned praise all through camp, that jumped Ware on the depth chart, make Ware expendable or did the 4th round pick from 4 years ago that has bounced back to the Giants as a special teamer after stints with 4 other teams make Ware expendable? It's probably some of both in one sense. If Brown and Scott can play special teams, they have value. But if Wilson was a liability and Ware was ahead of him on the depth chart, I don't think Ware would have been cut. And then either Brown or Scott might have been. So then, but for Wilson jumping Ware and earning a role, Ware would still be on the team.

 

[netnalp]

DJ Ware just got cut 4 mins ago

https://twitter.com/...546845082492929

Very interesting. 3rd down duty probably goes to Bradshaw instead of the rumored Ware, but may also point to team brass increasing confidence in Wilson.

Of course this move is because of the GMEN having confidence in Wilson to possibly split the load.. Both RBs can have a lot of fantasy value..

Of course, but the fact that it was Ware and not Andre Brown shows that maybe, just maybe, they think Wilson can also eventually serve in a 3rd down capacity. That seemed to be Ware's role heading into the season.

of course the Giants took Wilson in the 1st round.. They believe he can do everything eventually...

But when they cut Ware before game 1, eventually just became 2012, not 2013 like some believe.Now, do you think Coughlin and co. are confident they are going to get 16 healthy games out of Bradshaw? If not, what does that tell you about their thoughts on Wilson? It tells me that they are comfortable having Wilson as their 3rd down back in the (likely) event that Bradshaw goes down or is ineffective this season.If he's made them that confident in less than a month, where will he stand at the beginning of October? What about November? What about December as we head into our playoffs?

If they're confident in Wilson pass pro, why wouldn't let him block in pre-season?

In the last two preseason games Wilson was out with the 1st teamers.

You're right, but you have to look at how Wilson was allowed to be used. Brown and Ware came in on all 3rd downs. On plays that Wilson was in, they exclusively ran either 1.) a running play, 2.) play action or 3.) running patterns while someone else stayed in to block. They left him zero responsibility in pass pro. All of that responsibility was left for Brown and Ware.

I know that in the Bears game Wilson was in pass protection at least once. The highlight/lowlight film showed it. I haven't been able to find a snap count total to see if Wilson was in for more than those plays.

 

[JamesTheScot]

DJ Ware just got cut 4 mins ago

https://twitter.com/...546845082492929

Very interesting. 3rd down duty probably goes to Bradshaw instead of the rumored Ware, but may also point to team brass increasing confidence in Wilson.

Of course this move is because of the GMEN having confidence in Wilson to possibly split the load.. Both RBs can have a lot of fantasy value..

Of course, but the fact that it was Ware and not Andre Brown shows that maybe, just maybe, they think Wilson can also eventually serve in a 3rd down capacity. That seemed to be Ware's role heading into the season.

of course the Giants took Wilson in the 1st round.. They believe he can do everything eventually...

But when they cut Ware before game 1, eventually just became 2012, not 2013 like some believe.Now, do you think Coughlin and co. are confident they are going to get 16 healthy games out of Bradshaw? If not, what does that tell you about their thoughts on Wilson? It tells me that they are comfortable having Wilson as their 3rd down back in the (likely) event that Bradshaw goes down or is ineffective this season.If he's made them that confident in less than a month, where will he stand at the beginning of October? What about November? What about December as we head into our playoffs?

If they're confident in Wilson pass pro, why wouldn't let him block in pre-season?

Him not pass blocking does not necessarily mean they wouldn't let him. That could be nothing more than happenstance. And even if they wouldn't, they still put him in for play actions and designed passing plays. If they are doing that, meaning getting him involved in the passing game, color me not worried if they bring someone in to block by design. I don't get points for RB blocks anyway.Could he lose a few catch opportunities if Manning audibles or the RB makes a read that results in the blocking back running a pattern? Sure. But at the same time, if Wilson is in there for play action or a designed route, couldn't Manning audible into a play that requires Wilson to stay in and block? Yes. So if the coaches know that's a possibility, they must not be too worried about Wilson being in there for pass pro.

Is pass pro important to coaches? Of course. But Wilson is a rookie. His skills and playbook knowledge are changing every week. It's not a static situation. And pass protection is something that the coaches can handle with substitutions and personnel packages. I'm just not that worried and the cut of Ware makes me even less so.

This pass pro issue seems like it's the last bastion for people who want to argue against Wilson. It starts to look like minds are made up and people are simply looking for anything that can be twisted to bolster their conclusion rather than inform their conclusion.

 

[zamboni]

Very interesting cut.

My question is though, who is the next vet in line?

Here is my take. For a top 5 passing team that throws almost 600 times a year, who will assume pass-blocking duties? Their bread is buttered in the passing game and there is no way they're banking on Bradshaw to do it all. I know some here think Wilson is special and he looks like Barry Sanders ect... but the truth is, he's a rook and the Giants don't trust him on passing downs.

As mentioned elsewhere, the Giants have historically been a run-oriented team, including under Coughlin. They aired it out a lot last year mainly since the running game failed miserably - hence the draft of Wilson.If the running game picks up markedly, expect a more balanced attack where the running game sets up the passing game. They have a good defense and will be looking to control the clock.

 

[REDRUM26]

This over analyzation is a bit much...

Bradshaw as long as he's healthy starts but Wilson comes in the game a lot... A LOT!

Draft Bradshaw accordingly but for Wilson if u want him jump up a rd or 2 to get him.

Good night

 

[One]

I think this means that they trust and have been impressed with Andre Brown. He probably is a less expensive version of Ware.

Got any sources for that opinion? I liked the guy as a rookie but I've heard nothing real positive about him recently that makes me think he's climbing the depth chart through anything other than attrition. I have read that Da'Rell Scott had improved in his blocking, but it looks like both of them have roster spots primarily because of their special teams usage. I've seen nothing that connects Brown to the 3rd down role.Did the rookie 1st round pick that has earned praise all through camp, that jumped Ware on the depth chart, make Ware expendable or did the 4th round pick from 4 years ago that has bounced back to the Giants as a special teamer after stints with 4 other teams make Ware expendable? It's probably some of both in one sense. If Brown and Scott can play special teams, they have value. But if Wilson was a liability and Ware was ahead of him on the depth chart, I don't think Ware would have been cut. And then either Brown or Scott might have been. So then, but for Wilson jumping Ware and earning a role, Ware would still be on the team.

Go back and watch the last two games on the DVR or The NFL's Preseason Live app.Brown and Ware handled all 3rd down duties, even on Wilson's series.

 

[netnalp]

1:55 David Wilson Pass blocking

Wilson pass blocking with the Giants 1s vs Bears 1s

 

[One]

1:55 David Wilson Pass blocking

Wilson pass blocking with the Giants 1s vs Bears 1s

Yep, there's his one 3rd down play. Now watch the entire games and check out how many 3rd downs Ware and Brown shared.

 

[JamesTheScot]

I think this means that they trust and have been impressed with Andre Brown. He probably is a less expensive version of Ware.

Got any sources for that opinion? I liked the guy as a rookie but I've heard nothing real positive about him recently that makes me think he's climbing the depth chart through anything other than attrition. I have read that Da'Rell Scott had improved in his blocking, but it looks like both of them have roster spots primarily because of their special teams usage. I've seen nothing that connects Brown to the 3rd down role.Did the rookie 1st round pick that has earned praise all through camp, that jumped Ware on the depth chart, make Ware expendable or did the 4th round pick from 4 years ago that has bounced back to the Giants as a special teamer after stints with 4 other teams make Ware expendable? It's probably some of both in one sense. If Brown and Scott can play special teams, they have value. But if Wilson was a liability and Ware was ahead of him on the depth chart, I don't think Ware would have been cut. And then either Brown or Scott might have been. So then, but for Wilson jumping Ware and earning a role, Ware would still be on the team.

Go back and watch the last two games on the DVR or The NFL's Preseason Live app.Brown and Ware handled all 3rd down duties, even on Wilson's series.

You're right. I did some digging and found reference to Ware being on the bubble a couple of days ago. That blurb also noted that Brown had been sharing 3rd down work with Ware. It didn't say that Brown was superior to Ware in 3rd down work, but obviously he was close enough that they could part with Ware. Redundant was the word I think they used.

 

[One]

Very interesting cut.

My question is though, who is the next vet in line?

Here is my take. For a top 5 passing team that throws almost 600 times a year, who will assume pass-blocking duties? Their bread is buttered in the passing game and there is no way they're banking on Bradshaw to do it all. I know some here think Wilson is special and he looks like Barry Sanders ect... but the truth is, he's a rook and the Giants don't trust him on passing downs.

As mentioned elsewhere, the Giants have historically been a run-oriented team, including under Coughlin. They aired it out a lot last year mainly since the running game failed miserably - hence the draft of Wilson.If the running game picks up markedly, expect a more balanced attack where the running game sets up the passing game. They have a good defense and will be looking to control the clock.

I agree here. Since the Giants have adapted more of a run and shoot offense, they're gonna need all RBs to be able to adapt on the fly and pass-protect when needed. I'm sure Wilson can learn it, but I'm just not sure how quickly.

With the Giants' improved D, I like Wilson's chances of being the closer/hammer. Protect leads and grind out the clock, on top of having his own early-down series' throughout games. He would rack up some serious stats in that role.

I'm high as a kite on Wilson, but I also try to look at things objectively. My points in this thread revolve around the false notion that he's a shoe-in to be the 3rd down back because Ware was cut.

 

[One]

I think this means that they trust and have been impressed with Andre Brown. He probably is a less expensive version of Ware.

Got any sources for that opinion? I liked the guy as a rookie but I've heard nothing real positive about him recently that makes me think he's climbing the depth chart through anything other than attrition. I have read that Da'Rell Scott had improved in his blocking, but it looks like both of them have roster spots primarily because of their special teams usage. I've seen nothing that connects Brown to the 3rd down role.Did the rookie 1st round pick that has earned praise all through camp, that jumped Ware on the depth chart, make Ware expendable or did the 4th round pick from 4 years ago that has bounced back to the Giants as a special teamer after stints with 4 other teams make Ware expendable? It's probably some of both in one sense. If Brown and Scott can play special teams, they have value. But if Wilson was a liability and Ware was ahead of him on the depth chart, I don't think Ware would have been cut. And then either Brown or Scott might have been. So then, but for Wilson jumping Ware and earning a role, Ware would still be on the team.

Go back and watch the last two games on the DVR or The NFL's Preseason Live app.Brown and Ware handled all 3rd down duties, even on Wilson's series.

You're right. I did some digging and found reference to Ware being on the bubble a couple of days ago. That blurb also noted that Brown had been sharing 3rd down work with Ware. It didn't say that Brown was superior to Ware in 3rd down work, but obviously he was close enough that they could part with Ware. Redundant was the word I think they used.

I hear ya. I thought 3rd down duties were supposed to be Ware's only saving grace. Who knows, maybe they thought Brown was better all around between Ware/Brown.

 

[NajehHejan]

on sirius nfl radio the other day, bob papa (giants broadcaster) had opined that there was a good chance ware was on the bubble as brown has impressed. looks to me that's what happened. i think brown gets third down duties until wilson is up to speed, this year or next us the ?

 

[netnalp]

Very interesting cut.

My question is though, who is the next vet in line?

Here is my take. For a top 5 passing team that throws almost 600 times a year, who will assume pass-blocking duties? Their bread is buttered in the passing game and there is no way they're banking on Bradshaw to do it all. I know some here think Wilson is special and he looks like Barry Sanders ect... but the truth is, he's a rook and the Giants don't trust him on passing downs.

As mentioned elsewhere, the Giants have historically been a run-oriented team, including under Coughlin. They aired it out a lot last year mainly since the running game failed miserably - hence the draft of Wilson.If the running game picks up markedly, expect a more balanced attack where the running game sets up the passing game. They have a good defense and will be looking to control the clock.

Have to disagree there. Giants are a passing team. The line just doesn't run block well and all of them are better pass blockers than run blockers. The Giants mainly move the ball on play-action so the running game is important to make that convincing. Mostly they are looking for the big play that's why Eli has so many deep passes. His completion % and INTs are impacted by that too. The Giants wanted Wilson in the draft not Martin. Martin is more of the ground control RB. Giants want the big play and to put up points. The reason is the offenses they have to face are all quick scoring. The Giants have to put up 28+ points to have a shot at winning many of these games.

 

[netnalp]

Very interesting cut.

My question is though, who is the next vet in line?

Here is my take. For a top 5 passing team that throws almost 600 times a year, who will assume pass-blocking duties? Their bread is buttered in the passing game and there is no way they're banking on Bradshaw to do it all. I know some here think Wilson is special and he looks like Barry Sanders ect... but the truth is, he's a rook and the Giants don't trust him on passing downs.

As mentioned elsewhere, the Giants have historically been a run-oriented team, including under Coughlin. They aired it out a lot last year mainly since the running game failed miserably - hence the draft of Wilson.If the running game picks up markedly, expect a more balanced attack where the running game sets up the passing game. They have a good defense and will be looking to control the clock.

I agree here. Since the Giants have adapted more of a run and shoot offense, they're gonna need all RBs to be able to adapt on the fly and pass-protect when needed. I'm sure Wilson can learn it, but I'm just not sure how quickly.

With the Giants' improved D, I like Wilson's chances of being the closer/hammer. Protect leads and grind out the clock, on top of having his own early-down series' throughout games. He would rack up some serious stats in that role.

I'm high as a kite on Wilson, but I also try to look at things objectively. My points in this thread revolve around the false notion that he's a shoe-in to be the 3rd down back because Ware was cut.

I agree with that. I think they will alternate series and Bradshaw will do most of the 3rd-and-longs. Almost like it was with Jacobs but Wilson won't be in to pass protect as much as Jacobs was. But those are plays where the RB wasn't getting the ball anyway.

 

[netnalp]

I think this means that they trust and have been impressed with Andre Brown. He probably is a less expensive version of Ware.

Got any sources for that opinion? I liked the guy as a rookie but I've heard nothing real positive about him recently that makes me think he's climbing the depth chart through anything other than attrition. I have read that Da'Rell Scott had improved in his blocking, but it looks like both of them have roster spots primarily because of their special teams usage. I've seen nothing that connects Brown to the 3rd down role.Did the rookie 1st round pick that has earned praise all through camp, that jumped Ware on the depth chart, make Ware expendable or did the 4th round pick from 4 years ago that has bounced back to the Giants as a special teamer after stints with 4 other teams make Ware expendable? It's probably some of both in one sense. If Brown and Scott can play special teams, they have value. But if Wilson was a liability and Ware was ahead of him on the depth chart, I don't think Ware would have been cut. And then either Brown or Scott might have been. So then, but for Wilson jumping Ware and earning a role, Ware would still be on the team.

Go back and watch the last two games on the DVR or The NFL's Preseason Live app.Brown and Ware handled all 3rd down duties, even on Wilson's series.

You're right. I did some digging and found reference to Ware being on the bubble a couple of days ago. That blurb also noted that Brown had been sharing 3rd down work with Ware. It didn't say that Brown was superior to Ware in 3rd down work, but obviously he was close enough that they could part with Ware. Redundant was the word I think they used.

I hear ya. I thought 3rd down duties were supposed to be Ware's only saving grace. Who knows, maybe they thought Brown was better all around between Ware/Brown.

Ware rarely saw many snaps. He wasn't even used in garbage time. The main thing that kept him on the roster was his knowledge of the playbook.

 

[JamesTheScot]

1:55 David Wilson Pass blocking

Wilson pass blocking with the Giants 1s vs Bears 1s

As far as the block goes, it was solid for a RB giving up lots of weight. He cut the LB and took him out of the play. The safety was also coming hot through the same gap but the LB was there first. He obviously recognized the blitz coming and made the block.This is a situation in flux. I don't think pass blocking is going to keep Wilson from getting his.

 

[SonnyD]

1:55 David Wilson Pass blocking

Wilson pass blocking with the Giants 1s vs Bears 1s

As far as the block goes, it was solid for a RB giving up lots of weight. He cut the LB and took him out of the play. The safety was also coming hot through the same gap but the LB was there first. He obviously recognized the blitz coming and made the block.This is a situation in flux. I don't think pass blocking is going to keep Wilson from getting his.

His burst looked great in that video, however a few of those runs where he spun off defenders was a result of some poor tackling. Granted I didn't watch his last preseason game, but 8 for 13 obviously not quite as impressive. Truth is, the kid has a ton of potential but barring an injury to Bradshaw, I wouldn't count on too much from him this year. Sure he'll probably have a few long TD runs, but how can you start a guy like that on a weekly basis that will be very inconsistent. I think he'll be like Torrey Smith was last year from the WR position. A few monster games but overall very inconsistent.Love his outlook for next year though.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Im on board with Wilson. I dont see how people are saying he's overvalued. I got him in my league at 116th overall, the next RBs off the board were Ryan Williams, Leshoure, Felix, Pead, Hunter. I will easily take Wilson out of this bunch. He went 94th in my other league, a little early for my liking especially when that owner didnt already have Bradshaw.

Bradshaw averaged 14.25 carries in the games he played last year, and that was without a guy like Wilson behind him. Was Jacobs good at pass pro?? I dont think that even matters really, because Wilson is going to get around 10 touches per game regardless, if not more.

 

[zamboni]

Very interesting cut.

My question is though, who is the next vet in line?

Here is my take. For a top 5 passing team that throws almost 600 times a year, who will assume pass-blocking duties? Their bread is buttered in the passing game and there is no way they're banking on Bradshaw to do it all. I know some here think Wilson is special and he looks like Barry Sanders ect... but the truth is, he's a rook and the Giants don't trust him on passing downs.

As mentioned elsewhere, the Giants have historically been a run-oriented team, including under Coughlin. They aired it out a lot last year mainly since the running game failed miserably - hence the draft of Wilson.If the running game picks up markedly, expect a more balanced attack where the running game sets up the passing game. They have a good defense and will be looking to control the clock.

Have to disagree there. Giants are a passing team.

We'll just have to agree to disagree, but as someone whose spent virtually his entire life in the NYC area, I can assure you the Giants are a team that has historically prided itself on a strong running game and strong defense.Granted, the NFL has evolved to be more of a passing league, and Manning's development has made the team emphasize the pass if it needs to, but an old-school coach like Coughlin definitely wants balance.

There have been several articles about wanting more balance - just one for an example: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/11/sports/football/giants-jets-nfl-football-roundup.html

Enter Wilson to help out.

 

[SonnyD]

Im on board with Wilson. I dont see how people are saying he's overvalued. I got him in my league at 116th overall, the next RBs off the board were Ryan Williams, Leshoure, Felix, Pead, Hunter. I will easily take Wilson out of this bunch. He went 94th in my other league, a little early for my liking especially when that owner didnt already have Bradshaw.Bradshaw averaged 14.25 carries in the games he played last year, and that was without a guy like Wilson behind him. Was Jacobs good at pass pro?? I dont think that even matters really, because Wilson is going to get around 10 touches per game regardless, if not more.

That's just it, he only averaged 14 carries because they had Jacobs. Regardless of Jacob's ability to block, I just don't see the coaching staff giving Wilson enough touches to start him in fantasy lineups. I expect Bradshaw's carries to go up to about 17 or so. I think it's safe to assume Bradshaw will get all the goal line looks, so if we project Wilson to get around 10 touches a game, how is that going to produce any kind of consistency, or let me rephrase that, how can you trust starting him every week when he'll need a home run in order to justify starting him over another flex option, mainly someone at receiver? I love his potential but barring an injury to Bradshaw I think folks are better off starting a WR at the flex. I suppose I can see starting him in very deep leagues or lineup requirements of 2RB/3WR/Flex or 3RB leagues. Other than that, I think he's just to risky of a start.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Im on board with Wilson. I dont see how people are saying he's overvalued. I got him in my league at 116th overall, the next RBs off the board were Ryan Williams, Leshoure, Felix, Pead, Hunter. I will easily take Wilson out of this bunch. He went 94th in my other league, a little early for my liking especially when that owner didnt already have Bradshaw.Bradshaw averaged 14.25 carries in the games he played last year, and that was without a guy like Wilson behind him. Was Jacobs good at pass pro?? I dont think that even matters really, because Wilson is going to get around 10 touches per game regardless, if not more.

That's just it, he only averaged 14 carries because they had Jacobs. Regardless of Jacob's ability to block, I just don't see the coaching staff giving Wilson enough touches to start him in fantasy lineups. I expect Bradshaw's carries to go up to about 17 or so. I think it's safe to assume Bradshaw will get all the goal line looks, so if we project Wilson to get around 10 touches a game, how is that going to produce any kind of consistency, or let me rephrase that, how can you trust starting him every week when he'll need a home run in order to justify starting him over another flex option, mainly someone at receiver? I love his potential but barring an injury to Bradshaw I think folks are better off starting a WR at the flex. I suppose I can see starting him in very deep leagues or lineup requirements of 2RB/3WR/Flex or 3RB leagues. Other than that, I think he's just to risky of a start.

So a 2011 Jacobs > 2012 Wilson?? I dont think so. I think that 10 touches per game that I said is about his floor as well. All my money leagues are start 2RB, 2WR, 2 RB/WR flexes so while I will probably flex him a fair amount, if Bradshaw is even in a situation where he's banged up but playing (more touches for Wilson), he's a guaranteed flex.

 

[Teef]

Im on board with Wilson. I dont see how people are saying he's overvalued. I got him in my league at 116th overall, the next RBs off the board were Ryan Williams, Leshoure, Felix, Pead, Hunter. I will easily take Wilson out of this bunch. He went 94th in my other league, a little early for my liking especially when that owner didnt already have Bradshaw.

Bradshaw averaged 14.25 carries in the games he played last year, and that was without a guy like Wilson behind him. Was Jacobs good at pass pro?? I dont think that even matters really, because Wilson is going to get around 10 touches per game regardless, if not more.

117 overall seems fine, but his recent ADP has shot up to the 77th overall range, over 3 rounds earlier.Leapt over the Tate/Jennings/Spiller crowd.

 

[Mile High]

Are people drafting Wilson to be a starter on their FF team in week one?

 

[SonnyD]

Im on board with Wilson. I dont see how people are saying he's overvalued. I got him in my league at 116th overall, the next RBs off the board were Ryan Williams, Leshoure, Felix, Pead, Hunter. I will easily take Wilson out of this bunch. He went 94th in my other league, a little early for my liking especially when that owner didnt already have Bradshaw.Bradshaw averaged 14.25 carries in the games he played last year, and that was without a guy like Wilson behind him. Was Jacobs good at pass pro?? I dont think that even matters really, because Wilson is going to get around 10 touches per game regardless, if not more.

That's just it, he only averaged 14 carries because they had Jacobs. Regardless of Jacob's ability to block, I just don't see the coaching staff giving Wilson enough touches to start him in fantasy lineups. I expect Bradshaw's carries to go up to about 17 or so. I think it's safe to assume Bradshaw will get all the goal line looks, so if we project Wilson to get around 10 touches a game, how is that going to produce any kind of consistency, or let me rephrase that, how can you trust starting him every week when he'll need a home run in order to justify starting him over another flex option, mainly someone at receiver? I love his potential but barring an injury to Bradshaw I think folks are better off starting a WR at the flex. I suppose I can see starting him in very deep leagues or lineup requirements of 2RB/3WR/Flex or 3RB leagues. Other than that, I think he's just to risky of a start.

So a 2011 Jacobs > 2012 Wilson?? I dont think so. I think that 10 touches per game that I said is about his floor as well. All my money leagues are start 2RB, 2WR, 2 RB/WR flexes so while I will probably flex him a fair amount, if Bradshaw is even in a situation where he's banged up but playing (more touches for Wilson), he's a guaranteed flex.

I don't think it's as simple as just Jacobs vs Wilson. Lot's of other factors to consider. We'll see though.But yeah, in a format like yours then sure, Wilson is certainly an option at flex.

 

[ImTheScientist]

1:55 David Wilson Pass blocking

Wilson pass blocking with the Giants 1s vs Bears 1s

Yep, there's his one 3rd down play. Now watch the entire games and check out how many 3rd downs Ware and Brown shared.

 

[netnalp]

Very interesting cut.

My question is though, who is the next vet in line?

Here is my take. For a top 5 passing team that throws almost 600 times a year, who will assume pass-blocking duties? Their bread is buttered in the passing game and there is no way they're banking on Bradshaw to do it all. I know some here think Wilson is special and he looks like Barry Sanders ect... but the truth is, he's a rook and the Giants don't trust him on passing downs.

As mentioned elsewhere, the Giants have historically been a run-oriented team, including under Coughlin. They aired it out a lot last year mainly since the running game failed miserably - hence the draft of Wilson.If the running game picks up markedly, expect a more balanced attack where the running game sets up the passing game. They have a good defense and will be looking to control the clock.

Have to disagree there. Giants are a passing team.

We'll just have to agree to disagree, but as someone whose spent virtually his entire life in the NYC area, I can assure you the Giants are a team that has historically prided itself on a strong running game and strong defense.Granted, the NFL has evolved to be more of a passing league, and Manning's development has made the team emphasize the pass if it needs to, but an old-school coach like Coughlin definitely wants balance.

There have been several articles about wanting more balance - just one for an example: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/11/sports/football/giants-jets-nfl-football-roundup.html

Enter Wilson to help out.

And I grew up in NJ, that has little relevance. Giants have a history of being a running team, but they've never had a combination of WRs and QB as talented as the Giants have had in recent years. The O-line isn't a power line like Jumbo Elliot and Bart Oates provided. The run game of the current Giants is a finesse one. Look how often they run out of Shotgun formations, and terrible in short yardage. Gilbride said of the week 17 game last year, he felt they got too conservative. He said he learned that this team they has to stay aggressive because of the way the team plays. With T. Thomas now on IR, Prince with a high ankle sprain and inexperienced, like last year the Giants are going to be in some shootouts. They'll also be at risk to give up big plays, so they can't just sit on a lead. They will need to keep trying to score.

The line is still having issues with injuries, age and cohesion. The Giants will continue to see long yardage on downs. As for articles about being balanced doesn't every coach talk of balance. Especially when you have the 32nd ranked rushing attack. The Rushing attack should improve but I don't expect it to get better than 20th.

 

[netnalp]

Im on board with Wilson. I dont see how people are saying he's overvalued. I got him in my league at 116th overall, the next RBs off the board were Ryan Williams, Leshoure, Felix, Pead, Hunter. I will easily take Wilson out of this bunch. He went 94th in my other league, a little early for my liking especially when that owner didnt already have Bradshaw.Bradshaw averaged 14.25 carries in the games he played last year, and that was without a guy like Wilson behind him. Was Jacobs good at pass pro?? I dont think that even matters really, because Wilson is going to get around 10 touches per game regardless, if not more.

That's just it, he only averaged 14 carries because they had Jacobs. Regardless of Jacob's ability to block, I just don't see the coaching staff giving Wilson enough touches to start him in fantasy lineups. I expect Bradshaw's carries to go up to about 17 or so. I think it's safe to assume Bradshaw will get all the goal line looks, so if we project Wilson to get around 10 touches a game, how is that going to produce any kind of consistency, or let me rephrase that, how can you trust starting him every week when he'll need a home run in order to justify starting him over another flex option, mainly someone at receiver? I love his potential but barring an injury to Bradshaw I think folks are better off starting a WR at the flex. I suppose I can see starting him in very deep leagues or lineup requirements of 2RB/3WR/Flex or 3RB leagues. Other than that, I think he's just to risky of a start.

I agree that he's a flex.I don't see Bradshaw getting more carries than in the past since he hasn't shown he can stay healthy with the work load he's gotten. It's not as simple as looking at stats of games played last season. Bradshaw was hobbled most of the year, unable to practice. He'd do the walkthrough and play games. I believe the lack of practice contributed to the poor rushing attack. I wouldn't assume Bradshaw is the goalline RB. Wilson can get to the edge before the LBs better than Bradshaw can. The Giants haven't been an effective between the guards short yardage team since 2008.

 

[SonnyD]

Im on board with Wilson. I dont see how people are saying he's overvalued. I got him in my league at 116th overall, the next RBs off the board were Ryan Williams, Leshoure, Felix, Pead, Hunter. I will easily take Wilson out of this bunch. He went 94th in my other league, a little early for my liking especially when that owner didnt already have Bradshaw.Bradshaw averaged 14.25 carries in the games he played last year, and that was without a guy like Wilson behind him. Was Jacobs good at pass pro?? I dont think that even matters really, because Wilson is going to get around 10 touches per game regardless, if not more.

That's just it, he only averaged 14 carries because they had Jacobs. Regardless of Jacob's ability to block, I just don't see the coaching staff giving Wilson enough touches to start him in fantasy lineups. I expect Bradshaw's carries to go up to about 17 or so. I think it's safe to assume Bradshaw will get all the goal line looks, so if we project Wilson to get around 10 touches a game, how is that going to produce any kind of consistency, or let me rephrase that, how can you trust starting him every week when he'll need a home run in order to justify starting him over another flex option, mainly someone at receiver? I love his potential but barring an injury to Bradshaw I think folks are better off starting a WR at the flex. I suppose I can see starting him in very deep leagues or lineup requirements of 2RB/3WR/Flex or 3RB leagues. Other than that, I think he's just to risky of a start.

I agree that he's a flex.I don't see Bradshaw getting more carries than in the past since he hasn't shown he can stay healthy with the work load he's gotten. It's not as simple as looking at stats of games played last season. Bradshaw was hobbled most of the year, unable to practice. He'd do the walkthrough and play games. I believe the lack of practice contributed to the poor rushing attack. I wouldn't assume Bradshaw is the goalline RB. Wilson can get to the edge before the LBs better than Bradshaw can. The Giants haven't been an effective between the guards short yardage team since 2008.

I could be wrong but I thought Bradshaw actually excels at the goal line. But yeah, he's had his fair share of foot and ankle issues including fractures, screws and even bone marrow this past spring. From all accounts he seems to be about as healthy (foot wise) as he's ever been. Again, barring an injury to him Wilson is a flex at best this year.

 

[netnalp]

Im on board with Wilson. I dont see how people are saying he's overvalued. I got him in my league at 116th overall, the next RBs off the board were Ryan Williams, Leshoure, Felix, Pead, Hunter. I will easily take Wilson out of this bunch. He went 94th in my other league, a little early for my liking especially when that owner didnt already have Bradshaw.Bradshaw averaged 14.25 carries in the games he played last year, and that was without a guy like Wilson behind him. Was Jacobs good at pass pro?? I dont think that even matters really, because Wilson is going to get around 10 touches per game regardless, if not more.

That's just it, he only averaged 14 carries because they had Jacobs. Regardless of Jacob's ability to block, I just don't see the coaching staff giving Wilson enough touches to start him in fantasy lineups. I expect Bradshaw's carries to go up to about 17 or so. I think it's safe to assume Bradshaw will get all the goal line looks, so if we project Wilson to get around 10 touches a game, how is that going to produce any kind of consistency, or let me rephrase that, how can you trust starting him every week when he'll need a home run in order to justify starting him over another flex option, mainly someone at receiver? I love his potential but barring an injury to Bradshaw I think folks are better off starting a WR at the flex. I suppose I can see starting him in very deep leagues or lineup requirements of 2RB/3WR/Flex or 3RB leagues. Other than that, I think he's just to risky of a start.

I agree that he's a flex.I don't see Bradshaw getting more carries than in the past since he hasn't shown he can stay healthy with the work load he's gotten. It's not as simple as looking at stats of games played last season. Bradshaw was hobbled most of the year, unable to practice. He'd do the walkthrough and play games. I believe the lack of practice contributed to the poor rushing attack. I wouldn't assume Bradshaw is the goalline RB. Wilson can get to the edge before the LBs better than Bradshaw can. The Giants haven't been an effective between the guards short yardage team since 2008.

I could be wrong but I thought Bradshaw actually excels at the goal line. But yeah, he's had his fair share of foot and ankle issues including fractures, screws and even bone marrow this past spring. From all accounts he seems to be about as healthy (foot wise) as he's ever been. Again, barring an injury to him Wilson is a flex at best this year.

Better than Jacobs at short yardage but the Giants have been terrible at running short yardage. They often are in the shotgun for a 3-2, 4-1 usually call a pass and it's up to Eli's discretion if he audibles to a run. SHotgun Draw is a favorite of Eli's. The feet I think it's a chronic issue. The way they've been handling Bradshaw in camp it seems they are limiting the amount of activity he gets, extra days off, didn't play in the past two preseason games while the rest of the starters did.

 

[netnalp]

Wilson changed his number from 34 to 22.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Wilson is great. But rookie RB's rarely provide value. Next year he will provide much more value to your fantasy squad.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Wilson changed his number from 34 to 22.

Time to bump him; everyone knows #22 is more powerful than 34 in numerology...Netnalp is correct about the issues on the Giants line. The OL was poor at run blocking last year and probably didn;t get much better this year. The threat of the pass helped the running game. Eli was excellent last year and with Nicks, Cruz and now a better pass catching TE and Randle they are a little better after the 2 best guys. Manningham played well last year, but that was his first good year and having some TE help should aid Eli. The Giant offense is very slow; Wilson gives the Giants some burst they didn't have. Manningham was actually the guy who gave them a little burst. As for Ware being cut; he was at best a mediocre guy; nothing good about him, but he wasn't bad either. Brown outplayed him and the Giants want to give Scott another year as he has speed and the Giants don't want to give up on that yet.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Wilson changed his number from 34 to 22.

Time to bump him; everyone knows #22 is more powerful than 34 in numerology...Netnalp is correct about the issues on the Giants line. The OL was poor at run blocking last year and probably didn;t get much better this year. The threat of the pass helped the running game. Eli was excellent last year and with Nicks, Cruz and now a better pass catching TE and Randle they are a little better after the 2 best guys. Manningham played well last year, but that was his first good year and having some TE help should aid Eli. The Giant offense is very slow; Wilson gives the Giants some burst they didn't have. Manningham was actually the guy who gave them a little burst. As for Ware being cut; he was at best a mediocre guy; nothing good about him, but he wasn't bad either. Brown outplayed him and the Giants want to give Scott another year as he has speed and the Giants don't want to give up on that yet.

One more point about how bad the Giants were in short yardage. My opinion is a lot of the blame is on Gilbride. He is the one having them go for short yardage from the shot gun. Almost every time they were in short yardage in a normal formation they ran the ball; they were predictable and teams sold out to stop it. Yes, they ran from shot gun sometimes, but the Giants would have been much smarter to go with the non shot gun formation on short yardage and occasional play action from it rather than the way they do it. Gilbride also almost always runs on 2nd and 10 after they throw incomplete on 1st down. Those two bad flaws bother me about Gilbride, but the rest of his play calling is very good. If he could shore up those two areas, they would be much better.

 

[DropKick]

Less than 2 weeks ago Ware was ahead of Wilson on the DC.

I keep seeing references to the depth chart that puzzle me. Do people really put much stock in them (especially in the preseason)? I can think of numerous reasons why they're "inaccurate" (motivation, playing it close to the vest, etc.).

 

[netnalp]

Less than 2 weeks ago Ware was ahead of Wilson on the DC.

I keep seeing references to the depth chart that puzzle me. Do people really put much stock in them (especially in the preseason)? I can think of numerous reasons why they're "inaccurate" (motivation, playing it close to the vest, etc.).

They shouldn't. For instance Bear Pascoe is listed as the starting TE for the Giants on the updated depth chart. Bennett is the one that will be doing the things we attribute to a starting TE role.

 

[plymkr]

Wilson should be drafted@ rb4 lottery ticket status. Got him in an auction cheap as people ran out of $$. Bradshaw goes down, u have a rb1 on your hands.

 

[mphtrilogy]

I see this as a 50-50 split with Bradshaw, I just don't think Bradshaw can handle the workload....

Due to t rich and Mathews status this week, I might be starting Wilson on Wednesday night....

 

[duaneok66]

I see this as a 50-50 split with Bradshaw, I just don't think Bradshaw can handle the workload....Due to t rich and Mathews status this week, I might be starting Wilson on Wednesday night....

surely you have another RB to start - is this a dynasty league??

 

[ponchsox]

I see this as a 50-50 split with Bradshaw, I just don't think Bradshaw can handle the workload....Due to t rich and Mathews status this week, I might be starting Wilson on Wednesday night....

Let me guess, you're a Wilson owner and not Bradshaw.

 

[Eminence]

The Giants won one more regular season game than the Cardinals last year. Yes, this is still a post about David Wilson.

Sure, the Giants offense was prolific but it wasn't excessively winning them games. If they had a solid run game last year, they would have won more than 9 games.

Solution, David Wilson. He'll be fun to watch in this offense.

 

[strong]

1:55 David Wilson Pass blocking

Wilson pass blocking with the Giants 1s vs Bears 1s

WOW. Just wow. Wilson was creeping up my rankings. Then that.