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I think Coughlin wants someone who's going to help keep Manning upright. Bradshaw certainly isn't great at it, but he's been there before. As far as injury is concerned, he's always dinged up but he's played 12, 16, 15, and 15 games. He's a gamer.

Football Outsiders or is it Pro Football Focus? Can't recall, but I do remember Bradshaw grades out according to their metric as one of the top pass blockers amongst RBs the past few years. I think Wilson will just need to be adequate in pass blocking to see time.

its PFF and Bradshaw grades out as the BEST pass protector at the RB spot... I hate when someone makes #### up about a player

No kidding. Especially when it comes to pass blocking, people either ignore it or just make something up. On over 100 pass blocking assignments last year, Bradshaw didn't allow ONE sack, hurry, or hit. Not one. He's not pretty good at pass blocking. He's not so-so. He's arguably the best in the game.

Wilson will see the field some this year--and he may even prove to be a more effective runner than Bradshaw--but he's not sniffing the field all that much so long as Bradshaw is healthy and KEEPING Manning's jersey clean.

 

[TheFanatic]

BUMP WILSON Giants cut potential 3rd-down back D.J. WareGiants released RB D.J. Ware.Ware, a strong pass protector but poor runner, had been in the mix for both third-down and goal-line work. In 16 games last season, he rushed 46 times for 163 yards and added 27 catches for 170 yards. Ware's release opens up a handful more receiving opportunities for both starter Ahmad Bradshaw and impressive first-round rookie David Wilson. Andre Brown and special teamer Da'Rel Scott round out the depth chart.Aug 31 - 10:51 AM

overreact much?Its not a bump for anyone. Ware wasn't going to be a part of anything regardless.

Do you overreact much? Cause maybe you should hold onto those stones in that glass house.The Giants cutting a pass blocking specialist speaks volumes as to where Wilson is in that aspect of the game, and thus means he will likely see the field more and since players can't score in FFB without being on the field, it is most definitely a reason to bump Wilson. Way too many people policing what people can post as a reason to bump or downgrade a guy and not much in terms of discussion.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I see this as a 50-50 split with Bradshaw, I just don't think Bradshaw can handle the workload....Due to t rich and Mathews status this week, I might be starting Wilson on Wednesday night....

Let me guess, you're a Wilson owner and not Bradshaw.

What gave it away, that he might be starting Wilson?

 

[Construction Man Jim]

Wilson still needs to prove he can handle his pass protection responsibilities. But It's pretty clear they want to find ways to get him on the field. It may just be that his snaps come more on 1st and 2nd down. With Bradshaw coming in on 3rd down in those situations. I'm not suggesting Wilson will have a larger share of the rotation. Just that the early downs are likely where he will be used. At least initially.

So it could be Bradshaw and Wilson splitting time on first and second down. And Bradshaw getting the majority on 3rd down with Brown and Scott picking up the slack there (though they need to prove themselves in pass pro as well).

I don't know that anybody has a lock on short yardage and goalie duties at this point.

 

[SonnyD]

The feet I think it's a chronic issue. The way they've been handling Bradshaw in camp it seems they are limiting the amount of activity he gets, extra days off, didn't play in the past two preseason games while the rest of the starters did.

I think it had more to do with his hand than his feet.

 

[Liquid Tension]

The Giants won one more regular season game than the Cardinals last year. Yes, this is still a post about David Wilson.Sure, the Giants offense was prolific but it wasn't excessively winning them games. If they had a solid run game last year, they would have won more than 9 games.Solution, David Wilson. He'll be fun to watch in this offense.

Actually, the defense was the problem along with the OL. Bradshaw and Jacobs were fine

 

[netnalp]

The feet I think it's a chronic issue. The way they've been handling Bradshaw in camp it seems they are limiting the amount of activity he gets, extra days off, didn't play in the past two preseason games while the rest of the starters did.

I think it had more to do with his hand than his feet.

He practiced with the hand. Just didn't take as many reps and didn't play in the games.

 

[SonnyD]

The feet I think it's a chronic issue. The way they've been handling Bradshaw in camp it seems they are limiting the amount of activity he gets, extra days off, didn't play in the past two preseason games while the rest of the starters did.

I think it had more to do with his hand than his feet.

He practiced with the hand. Just didn't take as many reps and didn't play in the games.

Right, but he didn't play because of his hand. I don't think they held him out because of his feet.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Bradshaw the last 3 seasons...

2009: 163-778-7td, 21-207

2010: 276-1235-8td, 47-314

2011: 171-659-9td, 34-267-2td

I just don't see Bradhsaw being able to carry it 250+ times again. He did it once, tho sis his 6th year in the league, gotta think 2010 was his career year. I certainly unloaded him in dynasty right after 2010. They signed him to about $20m last year and he responded with only 171 carries, whatever the reasons. He has been a TD but I don't see how you project out Bradshaw with RB1 type numbers.

His avg fell from 5.3 to 4.8. to 4.5 to 3.9 last year...if you own Bradshaw in dynasty or were duped into taking him in the 3rd round of the draft, that's your problem and I don't really see how you can be objective at this point.

 

[Monsters of the Midway]

Way too many people policing what people can post as a reason to bump or downgrade a guy and not much in terms of discussion.

 

[Monsters of the Midway]

Bradshaw the last 3 seasons...2009: 163-778-7td, 21-2072010: 276-1235-8td, 47-3142011: 171-659-9td, 34-267-2tdI just don't see Bradhsaw being able to carry it 250+ times again. He did it once, tho sis his 6th year in the league, gotta think 2010 was his career year. I certainly unloaded him in dynasty right after 2010. They signed him to about $20m last year and he responded with only 171 carries, whatever the reasons. He has been a TD but I don't see how you project out Bradshaw with RB1 type numbers. His avg fell from 5.3 to 4.8. to 4.5 to 3.9 last year...if you own Bradshaw in dynasty or were duped into taking him in the 3rd round of the draft, that's your problem and I don't really see how you can be objective at this point.

Wilson seems like an ideal RB4 but you may have to pay RB3 price to get him. I can afford that in one league where RBs aren't premium, not sure about the other. I'm confident that he will put up high end RB2 numbers if he starts, and am also in agreement with MOP that Bradshaw won't be able to handle 250+ carries.I did enjoy owning Bradshaw in 2010 though

 

[mphtrilogy]

Yeah , Wilson owner, but live in ny and follow giant news close... and although I think Bradshaw is a terrific runner, who runs hard every play, that leads to injury concerns and he was held out the last two games in the preseason because he was dinged up. I think realistically the team wants to limit Bradshaws abuse, my gut tells me they want 50-50, based on how they used Wilson in the preseason and how he performed. He might not start out at 50/50 but I don't think it will be long before they get there... Just gut talking

I have Jon Stewart as my other option, but he is dinged up as well....

Oye...

Followed the advise of draft dominator and grabbed mathews and Trent Richardson when they were there, but looking like I might have to start the season without either of them... That's why they were dropping like stones...

Wilson it is!

 

[SonnyD]

Yeah , Wilson owner, but live in ny and follow giant news close... and although I think Bradshaw is a terrific runner, who runs hard every play, that leads to injury concerns and he was held out the last two games in the preseason because he was dinged up. I think realistically the team wants to limit Bradshaws abuse, my gut tells me they want 50-50, based on how they used Wilson in the preseason and how he performed. He might not start out at 50/50 but I don't think it will be long before they get there... Just gut talkingI have Jon Stewart as my other option, but he is dinged up as well....Oye...Followed the advise of draft dominator and grabbed mathews and Trent Richardson when they were there, but looking like I might have to start the season without either of them... That's why they were dropping like stones...Wilson it is!

Lol. I love how you justify Wilson, you Wilson owner you!

 

[Koya]

The Giants won one more regular season game than the Cardinals last year. Yes, this is still a post about David Wilson.Sure, the Giants offense was prolific but it wasn't excessively winning them games. If they had a solid run game last year, they would have won more than 9 games.Solution, David Wilson. He'll be fun to watch in this offense.

Actually, the defense was the problem along with the OL. Bradshaw and Jacobs were fine

While the OL was a significant issue last year, Jacobs was hardly fine. He has slowed a step and has never been one to really utilize his size. He struggled last year and in short adage situations has really been sub par for a while - not just because of the OL.Plus, the OL has hardly been fully addressed in itself. That said, Wilson brings a ton more playmaking and even game breaking ability than Jacobs ever had, and moreso the last couple of years.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Bradshaw the last 3 seasons...2009: 163-778-7td, 21-2072010: 276-1235-8td, 47-3142011: 171-659-9td, 34-267-2tdI just don't see Bradhsaw being able to carry it 250+ times again. He did it once, tho sis his 6th year in the league, gotta think 2010 was his career year. I certainly unloaded him in dynasty right after 2010. They signed him to about $20m last year and he responded with only 171 carries, whatever the reasons. He has been a TD but I don't see how you project out Bradshaw with RB1 type numbers. His avg fell from 5.3 to 4.8. to 4.5 to 3.9 last year...if you own Bradshaw in dynasty or were duped into taking him in the 3rd round of the draft, that's your problem and I don't really see how you can be objective at this point.

Had had 171 carries because he was injured. I don't know how you can project a rookie for anything more than a supporting role at best. History has shown rookie RBs are limited.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Do you overreact much? Cause maybe you should hold onto those stones in that glass house.The Giants cutting a pass blocking specialist speaks volumes as to where Wilson is in that aspect of the game, and thus means he will likely see the field more and since players can't score in FFB without being on the field, it is most definitely a reason to bump Wilson. Way too many people policing what people can post as a reason to bump or downgrade a guy and not much in terms of discussion.

Are you not policing? Im sure Wilson will slot right in as the pass blocking specialist and see 250+ carries this year. Maybe get 20TDs as well.

 

[plymkr]

Rookie running backs are not limited. It is the easiest position to adapt to. Plenty of examples out there. When Bradshaw goes down, Wilson will be gold, Jerry!

 

[two_dollars]

Bradshaw the last 3 seasons...2009: 163-778-7td, 21-2072010: 276-1235-8td, 47-3142011: 171-659-9td, 34-267-2tdI just don't see Bradhsaw being able to carry it 250+ times again. He did it once, tho sis his 6th year in the league, gotta think 2010 was his career year. I certainly unloaded him in dynasty right after 2010. They signed him to about $20m last year and he responded with only 171 carries, whatever the reasons. He has been a TD but I don't see how you project out Bradshaw with RB1 type numbers. His avg fell from 5.3 to 4.8. to 4.5 to 3.9 last year...if you own Bradshaw in dynasty or were duped into taking him in the 3rd round of the draft, that's your problem and I don't really see how you can be objective at this point.

Had had 171 carries because he was injured. I don't know how you can project a rookie for anything more than a supporting role at best. History has shown rookie RBs are limited.

Actually RB is the easiest position for a rookie to adapt to on offense. Marshawn Lynch, Adrian Peterson, Jamal Lewis, Fred Taylor, Edgarrin James, Clinton Portis.. should I keep going? Because I can..Before Cam Newton, Manning's 3,739 yards and 26 touchdowns and 28 int season was remarkable. You are hard pressed to find a good rookie QB, or even WR, vs RB. None of this year's rookie QBs are going to finish top 12, and none of the rookie WRs are going to finish top 12. A couple rookie RBs actually have a chance.I hate when people make up things about which they know nothing.

 

[HurryUpSundays]

Bradshaw the last 3 seasons...2009: 163-778-7td, 21-2072010: 276-1235-8td, 47-3142011: 171-659-9td, 34-267-2tdI just don't see Bradhsaw being able to carry it 250+ times again. He did it once, tho sis his 6th year in the league, gotta think 2010 was his career year. I certainly unloaded him in dynasty right after 2010. They signed him to about $20m last year and he responded with only 171 carries, whatever the reasons. He has been a TD but I don't see how you project out Bradshaw with RB1 type numbers. His avg fell from 5.3 to 4.8. to 4.5 to 3.9 last year...if you own Bradshaw in dynasty or were duped into taking him in the 3rd round of the draft, that's your problem and I don't really see how you can be objective at this point.

Had had 171 carries because he was injured. I don't know how you can project a rookie for anything more than a supporting role at best. History has shown rookie RBs are limited.

Actually RB is the easiest position for a rookie to adapt to on offense. Marshawn Lynch, Adrian Peterson, Jamal Lewis, Fred Taylor, Edgarrin James, Clinton Portis.. should I keep going? Because I can..Before Cam Newton, Manning's 3,739 yards and 26 touchdowns and 28 int season was remarkable. You are hard pressed to find a good rookie QB, or even WR, vs RB. None of this year's rookie QBs are going to finish top 12, and none of the rookie WRs are going to finish top 12. A couple rookie RBs actually have a chance.I hate when people make up things about which they know nothing.

Forte, Chris Johnson..

 

[Liquid Tension]

The Giants won one more regular season game than the Cardinals last year. Yes, this is still a post about David Wilson.Sure, the Giants offense was prolific but it wasn't excessively winning them games. If they had a solid run game last year, they would have won more than 9 games.Solution, David Wilson. He'll be fun to watch in this offense.

Actually, the defense was the problem along with the OL. Bradshaw and Jacobs were fine

While the OL was a significant issue last year, Jacobs was hardly fine. He has slowed a step and has never been one to really utilize his size. He struggled last year and in short adage situations has really been sub par for a while - not just because of the OL.Plus, the OL has hardly been fully addressed in itself. That said, Wilson brings a ton more playmaking and even game breaking ability than Jacobs ever had, and moreso the last couple of years.

I don't agree about Jacobs (i do agree Wilson bring playmaking ability they have not had) the short yardage situations when Jacobs was in the base formation were predictable and the OL did nothing well. It wasn't like Jacobs didn't beat a guy one on one and failed to make the first down. The OL could not block last year and combined with the poor job by Gilbride usually going from the shot gun on short yardage unless he was definitely running; none of the RB's performed well. Bradshaw had his lowest YPC and the majority was the OL fault

 

[Koya]

The Giants won one more regular season game than the Cardinals last year. Yes, this is still a post about David Wilson.Sure, the Giants offense was prolific but it wasn't excessively winning them games. If they had a solid run game last year, they would have won more than 9 games.Solution, David Wilson. He'll be fun to watch in this offense.

Actually, the defense was the problem along with the OL. Bradshaw and Jacobs were fine

While the OL was a significant issue last year, Jacobs was hardly fine. He has slowed a step and has never been one to really utilize his size. He struggled last year and in short adage situations has really been sub par for a while - not just because of the OL.Plus, the OL has hardly been fully addressed in itself. That said, Wilson brings a ton more playmaking and even game breaking ability than Jacobs ever had, and moreso the last couple of years.

I don't agree about Jacobs (i do agree Wilson bring playmaking ability they have not had) the short yardage situations when Jacobs was in the base formation were predictable and the OL did nothing well. It wasn't like Jacobs didn't beat a guy one on one and failed to make the first down. The OL could not block last year and combined with the poor job by Gilbride usually going from the shot gun on short yardage unless he was definitely running; none of the RB's performed well. Bradshaw had his lowest YPC and the majority was the OL fault

I've watched just about every if not every giants game the last few years, and on of their biggest weaknesses has been short yardage - and IMO Jacobs was a significant contributor. Would run to high, slow to get up to speed and became easy to take down.

 

[Chazzhawk]

Bradshaw the last 3 seasons...2009: 163-778-7td, 21-2072010: 276-1235-8td, 47-3142011: 171-659-9td, 34-267-2tdI just don't see Bradhsaw being able to carry it 250+ times again. He did it once, tho sis his 6th year in the league, gotta think 2010 was his career year. I certainly unloaded him in dynasty right after 2010. They signed him to about $20m last year and he responded with only 171 carries, whatever the reasons. He has been a TD but I don't see how you project out Bradshaw with RB1 type numbers. His avg fell from 5.3 to 4.8. to 4.5 to 3.9 last year...if you own Bradshaw in dynasty or were duped into taking him in the 3rd round of the draft, that's your problem and I don't really see how you can be objective at this point.

Had had 171 carries because he was injured. I don't know how you can project a rookie for anything more than a supporting role at best. History has shown rookie RBs are limited.

Actually RB is the easiest position for a rookie to adapt to on offense. Marshawn Lynch, Adrian Peterson, Jamal Lewis, Fred Taylor, Edgarrin James, Clinton Portis.. should I keep going? Because I can..Before Cam Newton, Manning's 3,739 yards and 26 touchdowns and 28 int season was remarkable. You are hard pressed to find a good rookie QB, or even WR, vs RB. None of this year's rookie QBs are going to finish top 12, and none of the rookie WRs are going to finish top 12. A couple rookie RBs actually have a chance.I hate when people make up things about which they know nothing.

It goes both ways with rookie backs, C.J. Spiller, Rashard Mendenhall, Ryan Matthews, Ben Tate, Donald Brown and the list goes on and on

 

[two_dollars]

Bradshaw the last 3 seasons...2009: 163-778-7td, 21-2072010: 276-1235-8td, 47-3142011: 171-659-9td, 34-267-2tdI just don't see Bradhsaw being able to carry it 250+ times again. He did it once, tho sis his 6th year in the league, gotta think 2010 was his career year. I certainly unloaded him in dynasty right after 2010. They signed him to about $20m last year and he responded with only 171 carries, whatever the reasons. He has been a TD but I don't see how you project out Bradshaw with RB1 type numbers. His avg fell from 5.3 to 4.8. to 4.5 to 3.9 last year...if you own Bradshaw in dynasty or were duped into taking him in the 3rd round of the draft, that's your problem and I don't really see how you can be objective at this point.

Had had 171 carries because he was injured. I don't know how you can project a rookie for anything more than a supporting role at best. History has shown rookie RBs are limited.

Actually RB is the easiest position for a rookie to adapt to on offense. Marshawn Lynch, Adrian Peterson, Jamal Lewis, Fred Taylor, Edgarrin James, Clinton Portis.. should I keep going? Because I can..Before Cam Newton, Manning's 3,739 yards and 26 touchdowns and 28 int season was remarkable. You are hard pressed to find a good rookie QB, or even WR, vs RB. None of this year's rookie QBs are going to finish top 12, and none of the rookie WRs are going to finish top 12. A couple rookie RBs actually have a chance.I hate when people make up things about which they know nothing.

It goes both ways with rookie backs, C.J. Spiller, Rashard Mendenhall, Ryan Matthews, Ben Tate, Donald Brown and the list goes on and on

We can look at bust QBs and WRs too. The premise was don't project Wilson for good numbers because he's a rookie and you can't project a rookie for more than supporting role numbers because history says that's what they are. If you want to start a new argument, by all means make a new premise.

 

[netnalp]

The Giants won one more regular season game than the Cardinals last year. Yes, this is still a post about David Wilson.Sure, the Giants offense was prolific but it wasn't excessively winning them games. If they had a solid run game last year, they would have won more than 9 games.Solution, David Wilson. He'll be fun to watch in this offense.

Actually, the defense was the problem along with the OL. Bradshaw and Jacobs were fine

While the OL was a significant issue last year, Jacobs was hardly fine. He has slowed a step and has never been one to really utilize his size. He struggled last year and in short adage situations has really been sub par for a while - not just because of the OL.Plus, the OL has hardly been fully addressed in itself. That said, Wilson brings a ton more playmaking and even game breaking ability than Jacobs ever had, and moreso the last couple of years.

I don't agree about Jacobs (i do agree Wilson bring playmaking ability they have not had) the short yardage situations when Jacobs was in the base formation were predictable and the OL did nothing well. It wasn't like Jacobs didn't beat a guy one on one and failed to make the first down. The OL could not block last year and combined with the poor job by Gilbride usually going from the shot gun on short yardage unless he was definitely running; none of the RB's performed well. Bradshaw had his lowest YPC and the majority was the OL fault

I've watched just about every if not every giants game the last few years, and on of their biggest weaknesses has been short yardage - and IMO Jacobs was a significant contributor. Would run to high, slow to get up to speed and became easy to take down.

He also got into the habit of getting parallel to the line. In his defense though he did have some big runs when needed. The one in the Falcons game may have been the shot in the arm the team needed. They were flat till then.

 

[Chazzhawk]

Is there any chance that Wilson is the next C.J. Spiller? Spiller looked awesome his rookie year during the preseason, then for the first year and half of his career he looked like a total bust. It wasn't until late last season, after Fred Jackson got hurt, that he actually started to show his potential.

 

[duaneok66]

I think they are built differently. Wilson can run inside with velocity (thank you Cosell) while Spiller seems to be more of a guy that wants to bounce it.

 

[Eminence]

Is there any chance that Wilson is the next C.J. Spiller? Spiller looked awesome his rookie year during the preseason, then for the first year and half of his career he looked like a total bust. It wasn't until late last season, after Fred Jackson got hurt, that he actually started to show his potential.

It will be opportunity that limits Wilson. If Bradshaw is the lead tailback and the Giants are winning games, there will be no reason to give Wilson more carries.Wilson should be a good start against teams with poor run defenses. The Giants have been known for RBBC the past few years.Jacobs / WardBradshaw / JacobsWilson / BradshawHe may not be an every week starter this year but there are certainly weeks you can start him. Figuring out when is where the "skill" part plays into Fantasy Football.

 

[JamesTheScot]

The feet I think it's a chronic issue. The way they've been handling Bradshaw in camp it seems they are limiting the amount of activity he gets, extra days off, didn't play in the past two preseason games while the rest of the starters did.

I think it had more to do with his hand than his feet.

He practiced with the hand. Just didn't take as many reps and didn't play in the games.

Right, but he didn't play because of his hand. I don't think they held him out because of his feet.

Great! Now we have two extremities to worry about.

 

[JamesTheScot]

1:55 David Wilson Pass blocking

Wilson pass blocking with the Giants 1s vs Bears 1s

WOW. Just wow. Wilson was creeping up my rankings. Then that.

What was it you saw?

 

[netnalp]

1:55 David Wilson Pass blocking

Wilson pass blocking with the Giants 1s vs Bears 1s

WOW. Just wow. Wilson was creeping up my rankings. Then that.

What was it you saw?

The block was good. Same type of technique Bradshaw used in the Falcons wildcard game.Unless Wilson was creeping up his rankings, then he shot up them?

 

[Deamon]

I see this as a 50-50 split with Bradshaw, I just don't think Bradshaw can handle the workload....Due to t rich and Mathews status this week, I might be starting Wilson on Wednesday night....

Let me guess, you're a Wilson owner and not Bradshaw.

What gave it away, that he might be starting Wilson?

 

[Kenny Powers]

1:55 David Wilson Pass blocking

Wilson pass blocking with the Giants 1s vs Bears 1s

WOW. Just wow. Wilson was creeping up my rankings. Then that.

What was it you saw?

I hadnt seen that clip before, I was most impressed with how numerous times he bounced off of contact/tacklers and got a ton of YAC on those plays as well.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Bradshaw the last 3 seasons...2009: 163-778-7td, 21-2072010: 276-1235-8td, 47-3142011: 171-659-9td, 34-267-2tdI just don't see Bradhsaw being able to carry it 250+ times again. He did it once, tho sis his 6th year in the league, gotta think 2010 was his career year. I certainly unloaded him in dynasty right after 2010. They signed him to about $20m last year and he responded with only 171 carries, whatever the reasons. He has been a TD but I don't see how you project out Bradshaw with RB1 type numbers. His avg fell from 5.3 to 4.8. to 4.5 to 3.9 last year...if you own Bradshaw in dynasty or were duped into taking him in the 3rd round of the draft, that's your problem and I don't really see how you can be objective at this point.

Had had 171 carries because he was injured. I don't know how you can project a rookie for anything more than a supporting role at best. History has shown rookie RBs are limited.

Actually RB is the easiest position for a rookie to adapt to on offense. Marshawn Lynch, Adrian Peterson, Jamal Lewis, Fred Taylor, Edgarrin James, Clinton Portis.. should I keep going? Because I can..Before Cam Newton, Manning's 3,739 yards and 26 touchdowns and 28 int season was remarkable. You are hard pressed to find a good rookie QB, or even WR, vs RB. None of this year's rookie QBs are going to finish top 12, and none of the rookie WRs are going to finish top 12. A couple rookie RBs actually have a chance.I hate when people make up things about which they know nothing.

It goes both ways with rookie backs, C.J. Spiller, Rashard Mendenhall, Ryan Matthews, Ben Tate, Donald Brown and the list goes on and on

It does go both ways. The problem is The Scientist called it one way: that rookie RB's are historically limited. The problem is that they aren't. They sometimes are. But that's actually a vastly different statement than what The Scientist made. The irony is that The Scientist is all in on Russell Wilson, a rookie QB and a short one at that. So how he can dismiss a rookie RB for being a rookie and cite this alleged historical trend, yet endorse a rookie QB ignoring the clear historical trend with rookie QB's?

 

[Koya]

The Giants won one more regular season game than the Cardinals last year. Yes, this is still a post about David Wilson.Sure, the Giants offense was prolific but it wasn't excessively winning them games. If they had a solid run game last year, they would have won more than 9 games.Solution, David Wilson. He'll be fun to watch in this offense.

Actually, the defense was the problem along with the OL. Bradshaw and Jacobs were fine

While the OL was a significant issue last year, Jacobs was hardly fine. He has slowed a step and has never been one to really utilize his size. He struggled last year and in short adage situations has really been sub par for a while - not just because of the OL.Plus, the OL has hardly been fully addressed in itself. That said, Wilson brings a ton more playmaking and even game breaking ability than Jacobs ever had, and moreso the last couple of years.

I don't agree about Jacobs (i do agree Wilson bring playmaking ability they have not had) the short yardage situations when Jacobs was in the base formation were predictable and the OL did nothing well. It wasn't like Jacobs didn't beat a guy one on one and failed to make the first down. The OL could not block last year and combined with the poor job by Gilbride usually going from the shot gun on short yardage unless he was definitely running; none of the RB's performed well. Bradshaw had his lowest YPC and the majority was the OL fault

I've watched just about every if not every giants game the last few years, and on of their biggest weaknesses has been short yardage - and IMO Jacobs was a significant contributor. Would run to high, slow to get up to speed and became easy to take down.

He also got into the habit of getting parallel to the line. In his defense though he did have some big runs when needed. The one in the Falcons game may have been the shot in the arm the team needed. They were flat till then.

Ugh, did he ever. Still loved Jacobs, and those early runs where he demolished defenders were awesome - but overall, some of he greatest waste of size I've seen, especially considering Jacobs power and speed when he put his mind to it.

 

[JamesTheScot]

1:55 David Wilson Pass blocking

Wilson pass blocking with the Giants 1s vs Bears 1s

WOW. Just wow. Wilson was creeping up my rankings. Then that.

What was it you saw?

The block was good. Same type of technique Bradshaw used in the Falcons wildcard game.Unless Wilson was creeping up his rankings, then he shot up them?

That's what I was wondering.I think it's possible that people watch that block but lose details in the poor quality of the film. The blitzing LB is right on the DT's hip at the snap. But the quality is poor so I think some people don't see him. He blends in with the DT. But they see the safety(?) coming in because he's all alone out in the green and moving fast. So they think Wilson was trying to cut block the safety (long before he even gets close to Wilson - which should be a clue!) and that he whiffs. They don't see the LB twist over the backside of the DT and shoot the same gap BEFORE the safety gets there. Of course, Wilson sees him and takes him down, as he should, as the first guy through the gap.

The safety simply overloads the protection through no fault of Wilson's. It's a good call by the defense vs. that formation and protection scheme. Bradshaw would do the same as Wilson did. You certainly can't let the LB go by you to wait and take on the safety. So at that point the responsibility shifts to Manning and the WR to read and adjust to the blitzing safety.

IIRC, Manning does try to throw into the blitz but it's incomplete. But either way, whether Manning and the WR failed to read and adjust or whether the CB simply had great man coverage going on, that hurry is NOT on Wilson.

Now, if I could waive a magic wand, Wilson would have engaged the LB and pancaked him like a dominant LT would. But in the real world, RB's cut block bigger blitzing players. So while there is some risk associated with cut blocking (like the hurdle+sack highlight), all in all it was a solid effort and acceptable result for Wilson.

 

[TakiToki]

1:55 David Wilson Pass blocking

Wilson pass blocking with the Giants 1s vs Bears 1s

WOW. Just wow. Wilson was creeping up my rankings. Then that.

What was it you saw?

I have no idea which way people are going with this. He picked up the wrong guy, as the play should have gone. Was it because he identified the LG's error and correctly picked up the more immediate threat, or was he on the same wrong page as the LG? I'd guess the latter, but who cares either way? It's just one play, and there's nothing noteworthy about it in any way.

 

[netnalp]

1:55 David Wilson Pass blocking

Wilson pass blocking with the Giants 1s vs Bears 1s

WOW. Just wow. Wilson was creeping up my rankings. Then that.

What was it you saw?

I have no idea which way people are going with this. He picked up the wrong guy, as the play should have gone. Was it because he identified the LG's error and correctly picked up the more immediate threat, or was he on the same wrong page as the LG? I'd guess the latter, but who cares either way? It's just one play, and there's nothing noteworthy about it in any way.

Because there is such a small sample of Wilson's pass blocking, it's all there really is to go by. Wilson made the right play, the Giants just didn't account for or recognize the Safety was to take care of it with the blocking. I expect on those plays it's up to the QB to get rid of the ball or move.I pointed out the play due to claims that Wilson whiffed or that he was never used to pass block.

Probably the bigger thing is Wilson getting snaps and playing with the starters the last few weeks and Ware being released.

Some feel Bradshaw will do most of the work.

Some feel Wilson will take the #1 job.

Others, like me feel they'll have a fairly even split of the load.

 

[duaneok66]

1:55 David Wilson Pass blocking

Wilson pass blocking with the Giants 1s vs Bears 1s

WOW. Just wow. Wilson was creeping up my rankings. Then that.

What was it you saw?

I have no idea which way people are going with this. He picked up the wrong guy, as the play should have gone. Was it because he identified the LG's error and correctly picked up the more immediate threat, or was he on the same wrong page as the LG? I'd guess the latter, but who cares either way? It's just one play, and there's nothing noteworthy about it in any way.

Because there is such a small sample of Wilson's pass blocking, it's all there really is to go by. Wilson made the right play, the Giants just didn't account for or recognize the Safety was to take care of it with the blocking. I expect on those plays it's up to the QB to get rid of the ball or move.I pointed out the play due to claims that Wilson whiffed or that he was never used to pass block.

Probably the bigger thing is Wilson getting snaps and playing with the starters the last few weeks and Ware being released.

Some feel Bradshaw will do most of the work.

Some feel Wilson will take the #1 job.

Others, like me feel they'll have a fairly even split of the load.

still, it's microanalysis of one play - even though it's tough - it's best to wait for more evidence.

 

[12punch]

not every play is a passing play.

 

[ImTheScientist]

5 pages of analysis on one block....seriously?

 

[zamboni]

5 pages of analysis on one block....seriously?

I don't think even Coughlin has spent this much time analyzing his blocking capabilities on a handful of plays.

 

[Lehigh98]

 

[duaneok66]

cancel the fuel order for the bandwagon.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Coughlin may never trust him again.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

cancel the fuel order for the bandwagon.

You waited all day for that??2/10

 

[finito]

Coughlin may never trust him again.

lol. I'm not even on the bandwagon this year but Wilson will have plenty of chances to shine.

 

[griff321]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. He's a stud, but temper your expectations in year one.

 

[JuniorNB]

cancel the fuel order for the bandwagon.

You waited all day for that??2/10

He's right though. Now it'll take a Bradshaw injury for Wilson to get much time. He's already had the rep as a fumbler. Coughlin won't trust him.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Maybe Tiki Barber can finally find another job now, NYG hands coach.

 

[eoMMan]

cancel the fuel order for the bandwagon.

Haha