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Wow. You should quit fantasy football, dude.
]Very interesting cut.
My question is though, who is the next vet in line?
Here is my take. For a top 5 passing team that throws almost 600 times a year, who will assume pass-blocking duties? Their bread is buttered in the passing game and there is no way they're banking on Bradshaw to do it all. I know some here think Wilson is special and he looks like Barry Sanders ect... but the truth is, he's a rook and the Giants don't trust him on passing downs.
Coughlin and Manning have recently spoke to his green-ness and how he's totally ran the wrong way on some plays in games. In preseason they only use Wilson in running plays, play action or have him running patterns while someone else stays in to block. Now I'm not making a talent comparison, but this is how Donald Brown was handled when he was a rook in Indy. They didn't want to tempt fate with a green guy blocking for Manning. Who would on a passing team? I envision a role similar to Donald Brown's rookie season.. He'll get usage on running downs, a series with plays designed for him here and there (plays he's comfortable with, very little PB responsibility) and possibly use him as the closer for games where they're protecting the lead. This team just won the Super Bowl, they aren't about to change up the offense for a rookie. If he can pick up the offense and leave his fumbling problems behind, his role will grow.
I'm not meaning to rain on the parade here, but with late drafts and week 1 of the regular season coming, it's a good for us to assess what we have here. IMO, he is now overvalued in drafts. His current ADP is ahead of Jennings, Tate, Rodgers and DeAngelo Williams. That is just stupid and those taking him that early will regret it. Whether Bradshaw is healthy or not, Wilson has limited upside in this offense. Will he rise to the occasion? Who knows? Time will tell.
Anyway, cheers and here's to a new season and all of the comedy that comes with it.
I agree here. Since the Giants have adapted more of a run and shoot offense, they're gonna need all RBs to be able to adapt on the fly and pass-protect when needed. I'm sure Wilson can learn it, but I'm just not sure how quickly.As mentioned elsewhere, the Giants have historically been a run-oriented team, including under Coughlin. They aired it out a lot last year mainly since the running game failed miserably - hence the draft of Wilson.If the running game picks up markedly, expect a more balanced attack where the running game sets up the passing game. They have a good defense and will be looking to control the clock.Very interesting cut.
My question is though, who is the next vet in line?
Here is my take. For a top 5 passing team that throws almost 600 times a year, who will assume pass-blocking duties? Their bread is buttered in the passing game and there is no way they're banking on Bradshaw to do it all. I know some here think Wilson is special and he looks like Barry Sanders ect... but the truth is, he's a rook and the Giants don't trust him on passing downs.
With the Giants' improved D, I like Wilson's chances of being the closer/hammer. Protect leads and grind out the clock, on top of having his own early-down series' throughout games. He would rack up some serious stats in that role.
I'm high as a kite on Wilson, but I also try to look at things objectively. My points in this thread revolve around the false notion that he's a shoe-in to be the 3rd down back because Ware was cut.
kind of hard to roster third string rbs
I'm hoping that way. I picked up that other guy they brought in. He looked pretty good and Bradshaw is pretty fragile.
I have him in a league with only 5 bench spots as well. Tonight's game will determine as to whether I hold onto him longer. If he doesn't see the field often or doesn't produce with his carries with Bradshaw out, he doesn't have much value in redraft leagues this year.
He probably is in fear of being benched full time. He's probably playing not to screw up right now, which is never good. Coughlin is a winner so it's his call but I'm not a fan of the signals he's sending the kid.
Not a Wilson owner, but I tend to agree with this. I understand that careless fumbles are a no-no, but for all the talent that this kid flashed in the preseason I'm surprised that Coughlin handled that Week 1 fumble by benching him for the remainder of the game and giving him basically no run in game 2. I get that it sends a message, but it also seems to have put the fear of God in a running back that's now going to be thinking a lot more than naturally reacting. I love the big play dynamic that Wilson brings to this offense, so I'm hoping that he starts getting worked back into the gameplan beginning this week.
How is a guy who came into the season as a backup with upside a bust?I think people just bought into the hype, not recognizing the situation - a rookie with a ton of skills but not proven, and not tops on the depth chart. Things have to fall right for the hype to be lived up to, and they have not done so.If anyone's season hinges on Wilson somehow panning out, then Wilson not panning out is the least of their problems.For those with a deep (maybe very deep) bench, the upside is still there. If he does get a chance and flashes those skills, the guy could be a monster in this system. But he fumbled, dropped down the charts, and not likely needs Ahmad to stay out AND Brown to get injured to have a shot at that upside.
I heard yesterday on the radio, that in the preseason one of the linemen told Wilson in regards to his fumbling "Non ball security, no job security". It isn't like Wilson has been singled out here; Coughlin has done this with running backs all the way back to Tiki (and probably when he was an assistant too). Wilson will see the field when he is holding on to the ball properly and/or when Bradshaw comes back. Someone had posted here that Bradshaw and Wilson had a different packages that the were running, and that Brown had been running Bradshaw's package; logically Brown would be Bradshaw's back-up in this scenario. I think Wilson sees time in the not too distant future, they'll just bring him along slowly.
I think you're both saying the same thing. Smack is referring to his ADP and you're referencing "very deep bench"; sounds the same to me.
Because he wasn't even getting garbage time reps last night after falling to 3 on the depth chart. I like the kid and I'm a Giant fan, as are you I believe Koya, and I'm not especially invested in the kid. I think I did a 6-8th round 12 team reach on one draft day, so its not a personal lament, but more of a, "wow i'm surprised he's fallen this far" moment.
I'm not waiting the couple weeks now. He's gone the first chance I get.
Yes, Coughlin's doghouse is infamous, but I don't think it was just the fumble that kept him off the field in garbage time. I didn't see any obvious missed blocking assignments in the bit of the games I watched, but I suspect they don't trust him there yet.
Agreed. The only thing holding him back is his mind. I'm hoping that having some success in the kick return game will spark some confidence in him.
He was able to showcsae some of his skill sets in the kick return game though. He looked great and it should help him build confidence. Seems like he's got great speed and good vision.
The owner who does so is only wise his value goes up.
He was amazing on the kickoffs this past week. Electric. But all he needs to do there is react. He needs to keep getting reps in practice at the RB position so that he's so comfortable that all he needs to do is react there as well.I'm holding (keeper league) and think we could see some relevance this year in the 2nd half.I looks way too timid in the few offensive plays that he's been invloved in.
Yeah, I mean I really don't think you can argue that of the two Wilson has the greater physical talent. Martin is a more polished back right now. However, if Wilson gets his head straight and can start putting the little things together his physical talent can take him far. I'd say the best and most uplifting thing regarding Wilson right now is that almost all his issues (his confidence, fumbling issues etc.) are things that can be fixed with coaching. That combined with him having coaches that have fixed those issues in numerous players in the last few years makes his situation a good one. Coughlin will find ways to fix his issues and it may not be next year, but just as we are seeing with CJ Spiller this season; eventually it will all fall into place for this kid. When it does? Watch out.
Martin was a first round pick......I'm guessing talent evaluators feel he can be an impact player. Unless you are an NFL scout I'm going to side with the scout.
Didn't you give some type of "Pro Tip" that rookie running backs were to be avoided?
You're right and David Wilson was a......... oh right first round pick. He was actually the very next pick in the draft after Martin. Martin has the talent to be a starter in the NFL, but David Wilson has that boom or bust HoF caliber talent. That's more the difference.
Did I say Wilson wasn't a first rounder? To say boom or bust HoF talent is ridiculous. Pro tip: read the whole post.'Khy said:
No, but the way you presented the argument made it clear that you thought he had been picked much earlier than Wilson. Nice back pedal - you should play DB.
Tip: Using Pro tip makes you look like a total tool.
I wouldn't get too optimistic. The OC Gilbride said this week that he'd only get a few touches. Once he performed well on those he'd earn a few more. So based on Sunday he may have earned a 2-4 more touches.
