***David Wilson Bandwagon*** (2 Viewers)

[HurryUpSundays]

I think the Jacobs signing is the best case scenario for Wilson owners. I would've been more concerned if they'd signed McGhaee, Powell or Hightower.

 

[rizzler]

Just offered DRich for him in my one old friends redraft nonPPR. Have Dougie, Bush, and Lacy, so DRich is expendable.

ETA: In before "no one cares".

LOL. more like "do you think your friend is stupid"?

 

[T with T]

ya drich for wilson is terrible. Wilson by a mile you guppies that think Wilson will fail haven't watched much tape on this kid.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Strongly considering benching Wilson this week. Broncos are stout up front and there's no doubt in my mind NYG will be in catch up mode by halftime at the latest. Ray Rice even struggled to have a decent non-PPR fantasy day vs them. If I do bench him, it would be for Mathews or Rueben Randle and Im leaning toward starting Randle for the same reasons I might bench Wilson.

 

[Grahamburn]

Strongly considering benching Wilson this week. Broncos are stout up front and there's no doubt in my mind NYG will be in catch up mode by halftime at the latest. Ray Rice even struggled to have a decent non-PPR fantasy day vs them. If I do bench him, it would be for Mathews or Rueben Randle and Im leaning toward starting Randle for the same reasons I might bench Wilson.

I thought both Pierce and Rice looked pretty good in the first half before the game got out of hand. If Wilson dominates the touches (he should) and doesn't fumble ( ) he'll have a RB2 game at worst.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Denver is a great team, but a lot changes week to week. They aren't going to get out to a big lead and throw for 7 TDs every week. They are playing on the road against a good team. The line is -5.

Come on David. Help us out!

 

[Khy]

yeah, I'm sure it's been mentioned a dozen times already, but I think peterson fumbled about 20x his first 3 years.

so, I'm not saying this guy is ap, but we can give him a couple fumbles before cutting him from our fantasy teams and running him out of the league.

I've tried saying it a couple times and it was faced with

LOLOLOL ADP WAS A STUD AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN A STUD. HE WAS NEVER A ROOKIE WITH ANY QUESTIONS... STUD STUD STUD. NOBODY SITS ADP WHETHER HE FUMBLES 20X OR NEVER!!!

So I just gave up on that completely reasonable argument.

 

[loser]

Giants should force feed him the ball Sunday, see what the kid can do.

And to keep P Manning off the field.

Test the kids cojones.

I have a feeling this is what you're going to see... it's going to be a tough game to win anyway. His explosiveness up's their chances to win. Besides it keeping Peyton off the field he's just a big threat every time he touches the ball. Granted he's a big threat to succeed and fail but my gut tells me that's how they'll approach this is just put him out there and run on the first few plays of the game to see how he plays out. If he fumbles early it's recoverable. If he doesn't he starts to build some confidence and maybe has that breakout game they want him to have.

@RVacchianoNYDN

RB Da'Rel Scott was injured in practice today. The details are unclear. Expecting an announcement from the Giants soon.

YGTBFKM....

Why are people freaking about this as if it's even relevant news? Da'Rel Scott was already going to be fantasy irrelevant whether Wilson succeed's or not.

NFL teams publish these things that you may not have heard of yet called a "depth chart." What it is, is a list of the starters and their backup in order of secession (look that one up in a dictionary, if you would).

According to the "depth chart" published by the NY Giants, Da'rel Scott is listed as the second behind David Wilson (those in the know call this "second string")

This typically means that if Wilson were to fail, Da'rel Scott would be in line for some touches. and hence fantasy relevance.

HTH

If you're going to be condescending, at least be right.

HTH

 

[The Jerk]

NFL teams publish these things that you may not have heard of yet called a "depth chart." What it is, is a list of the starters and their backup in order of secession (look that one up in a dictionary, if you would). According to the "depth chart" published by the NY Giants, Da'rel Scott is listed as the second behind David Wilson (those in the know call this "second string")

This typically means that if Wilson were to fail, Da'rel Scott would be in line for some touches. and hence fantasy relevance.

HTH

If you're going to be condescending, at least be right.

HTH

I don't see what the problem is. The player that is lowest on the depth chart at any given position could be asked to secede from the team if the team finds a better alternative. It's a subtle distinction from the typical way of viewing/describing a depth chart, but it works.

Colorful language, that's all.

 

[lbouchard]

NFL teams publish these things that you may not have heard of yet called a "depth chart." What it is, is a list of the starters and their backup in order of secession (look that one up in a dictionary, if you would). According to the "depth chart" published by the NY Giants, Da'rel Scott is listed as the second behind David Wilson (those in the know call this "second string")

This typically means that if Wilson were to fail, Da'rel Scott would be in line for some touches. and hence fantasy relevance.

HTH

If you're going to be condescending, at least be right.

HTH

I don't see what the problem is. The player that is lowest on the depth chart at any given position could be asked to secede from the team if the team finds a better alternative. It's a subtle distinction from the typical way of viewing/describing a depth chart, but it works.

Colorful language, that's all.

Think he was going for "succession", not "secession".

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Giants should force feed him the ball Sunday, see what the kid can do.

And to keep P Manning off the field.

Test the kids cojones.

I have a feeling this is what you're going to see... it's going to be a tough game to win anyway. His explosiveness up's their chances to win. Besides it keeping Peyton off the field he's just a big threat every time he touches the ball. Granted he's a big threat to succeed and fail but my gut tells me that's how they'll approach this is just put him out there and run on the first few plays of the game to see how he plays out. If he fumbles early it's recoverable. If he doesn't he starts to build some confidence and maybe has that breakout game they want him to have.

@RVacchianoNYDN

RB Da'Rel Scott was injured in practice today. The details are unclear. Expecting an announcement from the Giants soon.

YGTBFKM....

Why are people freaking about this as if it's even relevant news? Da'Rel Scott was already going to be fantasy irrelevant whether Wilson succeed's or not.

NFL teams publish these things that you may not have heard of yet called a "depth chart." What it is, is a list of the starters and their backup in order of secession (look that one up in a dictionary, if you would).

According to the "depth chart" published by the NY Giants, Da'rel Scott is listed as the second behind David Wilson (those in the know call this "second string")

This typically means that if Wilson were to fail, Da'rel Scott would be in line for some touches. and hence fantasy relevance.

HTH

If you're going to be condescending, at least be right.

HTH

LOOK IT UP!!

 

[The Jerk]

NFL teams publish these things that you may not have heard of yet called a "depth chart." What it is, is a list of the starters and their backup in order of secession (look that one up in a dictionary, if you would). According to the "depth chart" published by the NY Giants, Da'rel Scott is listed as the second behind David Wilson (those in the know call this "second string")

This typically means that if Wilson were to fail, Da'rel Scott would be in line for some touches. and hence fantasy relevance.

HTH

If you're going to be condescending, at least be right.

HTH

I don't see what the problem is. The player that is lowest on the depth chart at any given position could be asked to secede from the team if the team finds a better alternative. It's a subtle distinction from the typical way of viewing/describing a depth chart, but it works.

Colorful language, that's all.

Think he was going for "succession", not "secession".

Thanks. I figured that out quite easily.

Seeing creatively worded sarcasm is not one of your strengths, or maybe it's my infrequent use of said approach.

I thought it would be more fun to try to make "secession" work in this context. Sorry that wasn't clear to you.

 

[TheFanatic]

if wilson is benched on your team, u have issues. just saying

...or a very strong roster.

Right. I started Wilson last week. Scored the most points in the league. I can bench the guy but I'm rolling with him

 

[LionOfGosforth]

He's in my flex right now, only other choices are Joique Bell and James Jones. Bell's touches are hardly guaranteed, though he should get a dozen or so based on last week and Jones was a ghost at the Niners. Sticking with Wilson and crossing all fingers and toes he doesn't put the ball on the carpet.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Secession. LOOK IT UP.

Rules.

 

[T with T]

yeah, I'm sure it's been mentioned a dozen times already, but I think peterson fumbled about 20x his first 3 years.

so, I'm not saying this guy is ap, but we can give him a couple fumbles before cutting him from our fantasy teams and running him out of the league.

agreed 110 percent. That's what I have been trying to tell these guys.

 

[T with T]

Strongly considering benching Wilson this week. Broncos are stout up front and there's no doubt in my mind NYG will be in catch up mode by halftime at the latest. Ray Rice even struggled to have a decent non-PPR fantasy day vs them. If I do bench him, it would be for Mathews or Rueben Randle and Im leaning toward starting Randle for the same reasons I might bench Wilson.

I would not do that I have a hunch Wilson gets 100 and a td and a few catches... Randle is just a decent play. I wouldn't say they will be in catch up mode by halftime. The giants are a great team and if they don't turn it over 6 times will be very competitive with DEN esp at home your nuts Kenny..

 

[B-Deep]

yeah, I'm sure it's been mentioned a dozen times already, but I think peterson fumbled about 20x his first 3 years.

so, I'm not saying this guy is ap, but we can give him a couple fumbles before cutting him from our fantasy teams and running him out of the league.

I've tried saying it a couple times and it was faced with

LOLOLOL ADP WAS A STUD AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN A STUD. HE WAS NEVER A ROOKIE WITH ANY QUESTIONS... STUD STUD STUD. NOBODY SITS ADP WHETHER HE FUMBLES 20X OR NEVER!!!

So I just gave up on that completely reasonable argument.

well

first off Petersen did not have coughlin as his coach

second, if you think that Wilson;s ceiling is anywhere near peterson's then we have identified the issue. The better a player is the more mistakes you can put up with.

 

[JuniorNB]

I'm sitting Wilson this week, simply because of the uncertainty of how Coughlin will play this out. I haven't wavered, however, on what a huge talent Wilson is. I just hope he can make the most of his touches this week and holds on to the damn ball.

 

[EHRMAHGERD]

do I Flex him over Pierre Garcon?.... thinking out loud, dont answer this people will be in uproar. I already posted the question in Assistant Coach. just giving a barameter for how valuable he still is.

 

[B-Deep]

do I Flex him over Pierre Garcon?.... thinking out loud, dont answer this people will be in uproar. I already posted the question in Assistant Coach. just giving a barameter for how valuable he still is.

ppr?

i am fearful of wilson this week not for the fumbles but for the fact that if the ginats fall behind his chances may be limited

ok and a little on the fumbles

 

[EHRMAHGERD]

do I Flex him over Pierre Garcon?.... thinking out loud, dont answer this people will be in uproar. I already posted the question in Assistant Coach. just giving a barameter for how valuable he still is.

ppr?

i am fearful of wilson this week not for the fumbles but for the fact that if the ginats fall behind his chances may be limited

ok and a little on the fumbles

standard... is he known as a receiving back as well? I am worried about the same thing... fumbles, a pass heavy game, but he could break one for a touchdown at any moment.

 

[B-Deep]

do I Flex him over Pierre Garcon?.... thinking out loud, dont answer this people will be in uproar. I already posted the question in Assistant Coach. just giving a barameter for how valuable he still is.

ppr?

i am fearful of wilson this week not for the fumbles but for the fact that if the ginats fall behind his chances may be limited

ok and a little on the fumbles

standard... is he known as a receiving back as well? I am worried about the same thing... fumbles, a pass heavy game, but he could break one for a touchdown at any moment.

if it was ppr i would lean even more garcon

 

[EHRMAHGERD]

do I Flex him over Pierre Garcon?.... thinking out loud, dont answer this people will be in uproar. I already posted the question in Assistant Coach. just giving a barameter for how valuable he still is.

ppr?

i am fearful of wilson this week not for the fumbles but for the fact that if the ginats fall behind his chances may be limited

ok and a little on the fumbles

standard... is he known as a receiving back as well? I am worried about the same thing... fumbles, a pass heavy game, but he could break one for a touchdown at any moment.

if it was ppr i would lean even more garcon

no doubt... I am leaning Wilson.

 

[LususV]

yeah, I'm sure it's been mentioned a dozen times already, but I think peterson fumbled about 20x his first 3 years.

so, I'm not saying this guy is ap, but we can give him a couple fumbles before cutting him from our fantasy teams and running him out of the league.

I've tried saying it a couple times and it was faced with

LOLOLOL ADP WAS A STUD AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN A STUD. HE WAS NEVER A ROOKIE WITH ANY QUESTIONS... STUD STUD STUD. NOBODY SITS ADP WHETHER HE FUMBLES 20X OR NEVER!!!

So I just gave up on that completely reasonable argument.

well

first off Petersen did not have coughlin as his coach

second, if you think that Wilson;s ceiling is anywhere near peterson's then we have identified the issue. The better a player is the more mistakes you can put up with.

If you think there's no chance Wilson's ceiling is anywhere near Peterson's, we've also identified the issue.

 

[Concept Coop]

If you think there's no chance Wilson's ceiling is anywhere near Peterson's, we've also identified the issue.

Said issues applies to me.

 

[encaitar]

yeah, I'm sure it's been mentioned a dozen times already, but I think peterson fumbled about 20x his first 3 years.

so, I'm not saying this guy is ap, but we can give him a couple fumbles before cutting him from our fantasy teams and running him out of the league.

agreed 110 percent. That's what I have been trying to tell these guys.

Despite the differences in each back and the potential they each bring to their teams (which is completely obvious to anyone who isn't a complete ####### idiot), the fumbling did(in ADP's case) and will(in Wilson's case) affect both of them. Despite how dynamic of a player he is, ADP lost over 100 carries to Chester Taylor each of his first 3 seasons, primarily because the Vikings didn't feel they could rely on him in spots where ball control was more important than playmaking. If Wilson doesn't correct his fumbling problems he will continue to experience the same thing. In fact, it will be even worse for him, because he doesn't offer the same upside that ADP did when given the ball.

 

[B-Deep]

yeah, I'm sure it's been mentioned a dozen times already, but I think peterson fumbled about 20x his first 3 years.

so, I'm not saying this guy is ap, but we can give him a couple fumbles before cutting him from our fantasy teams and running him out of the league.

I've tried saying it a couple times and it was faced with

LOLOLOL ADP WAS A STUD AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN A STUD. HE WAS NEVER A ROOKIE WITH ANY QUESTIONS... STUD STUD STUD. NOBODY SITS ADP WHETHER HE FUMBLES 20X OR NEVER!!!

So I just gave up on that completely reasonable argument.

well

first off Petersen did not have coughlin as his coach

second, if you think that Wilson;s ceiling is anywhere near peterson's then we have identified the issue. The better a player is the more mistakes you can put up with.

If you think there's no chance Wilson's ceiling is anywhere near Peterson's, we've also identified the issue.

:spittake: are you serious?

 

[encaitar]

yeah, I'm sure it's been mentioned a dozen times already, but I think peterson fumbled about 20x his first 3 years.

so, I'm not saying this guy is ap, but we can give him a couple fumbles before cutting him from our fantasy teams and running him out of the league.

I've tried saying it a couple times and it was faced with

LOLOLOL ADP WAS A STUD AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN A STUD. HE WAS NEVER A ROOKIE WITH ANY QUESTIONS... STUD STUD STUD. NOBODY SITS ADP WHETHER HE FUMBLES 20X OR NEVER!!!

So I just gave up on that completely reasonable argument.

well

first off Petersen did not have coughlin as his coach

second, if you think that Wilson;s ceiling is anywhere near peterson's then we have identified the issue. The better a player is the more mistakes you can put up with.

If you think there's no chance Wilson's ceiling is anywhere near Peterson's, we've also identified the issue.

Really!??!! This is where we are on Wilson. Good god, no wonder people are so shocked he was benched. Let's have a bit of a reality check. Peterson almost won a Heisman Trophy his freshman year of college and probably should have, given his stats. He is 6' 2", 220 lbs and runs a 4.4 forty. He's been compared to Eric Dickerson and Earl Campbell since he was 18 years old. He then came into the league and immediately became it's best RB. Broke the single game record as a rookie.

David Wilson is 5' 11" and 200 lbs. He ran a 4.5 forty. So, he's smaller, less powerful, and slower than ADP. Oh yeah, he couldn't beat out Ryan ####### Williams or Darren Evans(who?) on his college squad. Let's stop the nonsense already.

Wow the level of dumb in the pool is high lately.

 

[rizzler]

He's going to be a very important player for the Giants this year, and will do well statistically.

End it there.

No Peterson comparisons

 

[ShaHBucks]

Screw the fumbles. My problem is Wilson has not been that good of a RB -- or as good as the hype suggest. He's been bad most of the time with a great run occasionally. Give him 15 carries and he'll be plausable with a long run here and there. I don't see a future consistent star. He's really the new Javid Best with the hype and all.

Scott and Wilson aren't that different, except Scott is bigger. Scott was solid/underwlming in college player who runs fast with suspect agility and questionable hands. That's almost exactly what I would have said about Wilson coming out. This gets murky if Scott can block and hold onto the ball. You'll have two similar guys who can get you 60-90 yards with 15+ touches. Two useful players but nothing special.

 

[ShaHBucks]

yeah, I'm sure it's been mentioned a dozen times already, but I think peterson fumbled about 20x his first 3 years.

so, I'm not saying this guy is ap, but we can give him a couple fumbles before cutting him from our fantasy teams and running him out of the league.

I've tried saying it a couple times and it was faced with

LOLOLOL ADP WAS A STUD AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN A STUD. HE WAS NEVER A ROOKIE WITH ANY QUESTIONS... STUD STUD STUD. NOBODY SITS ADP WHETHER HE FUMBLES 20X OR NEVER!!!

So I just gave up on that completely reasonable argument.

well

first off Petersen did not have coughlin as his coach

second, if you think that Wilson;s ceiling is anywhere near peterson's then we have identified the issue. The better a player is the more mistakes you can put up with.

If you think there's no chance Wilson's ceiling is anywhere near Peterson's, we've also identified the issue.

Anymore kool-aid left?

 

[TheFanatic]

do I Flex him over Pierre Garcon?.... thinking out loud, dont answer this people will be in uproar. I already posted the question in Assistant Coach. just giving a barameter for how valuable he still is.

ppr?

i am fearful of wilson this week not for the fumbles but for the fact that if the ginats fall behind his chances may be limited

ok and a little on the fumbles

I'm concerned he is relegated to blocking or not even being on the field in the second half as the Giants try to pass to get back in the game. That could make this guy have to score all he will get in the first half. And if he fumbles in the first quarter, then Wilson owners only get less than a quarter as he is going to be benched. But I had no other legit options until Ballard went down. now Bradshaw is a possibility. Really torn here. Still leaning to Wilson. My opponent got little from Ridley, so I might be able to start Wilson and risk it....

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Screw the fumbles. My problem is Wilson has not been that good of a RB -- or as good as the hype suggest. He's been bad most of the time with a great run occasionally. Give him 15 carries and he'll be plausable with a long run here and there. I don't see a future consistent star. He's really the new Javid Best with the hype and all.

Scott and Wilson aren't that different, except Scott is bigger. Scott was solid/underwlming in college player who runs fast with suspect agility and questionable hands. That's almost exactly what I would have said about Wilson coming out. This gets murky if Scott can block and hold onto the ball. You'll have two similar guys who can get you 60-90 yards with 15+ touches. Two useful players but nothing special.

Come on.

do I Flex him over Pierre Garcon?.... thinking out loud, dont answer this people will be in uproar. I already posted the question in Assistant Coach. just giving a barameter for how valuable he still is.

ppr?

i am fearful of wilson this week not for the fumbles but for the fact that if the ginats fall behind his chances may be limited

ok and a little on the fumbles

I'm concerned he is relegated to blocking or not even being on the field in the second half as the Giants try to pass to get back in the game. That could make this guy have to score all he will get in the first half. And if he fumbles in the first quarter, then Wilson owners only get less than a quarter as he is going to be benched. But I had no other legit options until Ballard went down. now Bradshaw is a possibility. Really torn here. Still leaning to Wilson. My opponent got little from Ridley, so I might be able to start Wilson and risk it....

Same dilemma with same 2 players for me. I am leaning Bradshaw but thats today. Will likely change tomorrow then back again on Sunday.

 

[Khy]

yeah, I'm sure it's been mentioned a dozen times already, but I think peterson fumbled about 20x his first 3 years.

so, I'm not saying this guy is ap, but we can give him a couple fumbles before cutting him from our fantasy teams and running him out of the league.

I've tried saying it a couple times and it was faced with

LOLOLOL ADP WAS A STUD AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN A STUD. HE WAS NEVER A ROOKIE WITH ANY QUESTIONS... STUD STUD STUD. NOBODY SITS ADP WHETHER HE FUMBLES 20X OR NEVER!!!

So I just gave up on that completely reasonable argument.

well

first off Petersen did not have coughlin as his coach

second, if you think that Wilson;s ceiling is anywhere near peterson's then we have identified the issue. The better a player is the more mistakes you can put up with.

If you think there's no chance Wilson's ceiling is anywhere near Peterson's, we've also identified the issue.

Really!??!! This is where we are on Wilson. Good god, no wonder people are so shocked he was benched. Let's have a bit of a reality check. Peterson almost won a Heisman Trophy his freshman year of college and probably should have, given his stats. He is 6' 2", 220 lbs and runs a 4.4 forty. He's been compared to Eric Dickerson and Earl Campbell since he was 18 years old. He then came into the league and immediately became it's best RB. Broke the single game record as a rookie.

David Wilson is 5' 11" and 200 lbs. He ran a 4.5 forty. So, he's smaller, less powerful, and slower than ADP. Oh yeah, he couldn't beat out Ryan ####### Williams or Darren Evans(who?) on his college squad. Let's stop the nonsense already.

Wow the level of dumb in the pool is high lately.

First of all... David Wilson is 5' 9" 205 lbs... he'd be a stick at 5' 11" 200 lbs (see Jamaal Charles/Chris Johnson).

And you're right... David Wilson is clearly small and not powerful and slow. He doesn't happen to have the exact same frame as some of the best RBs in NFL history. Where ADP is built like Erik Dickerson and Earl Campbell... David Wilson is built like Barry Sanders (5' 8" 200lbs) and Marshall Faulk (5' 10" 211lbs). But those guys were clearly small and not powerful and never succeeded in the NFL. Also, 40 times really aren't always indicative of someones on the field speed. If you watch Wilson on an open break and really think he's 'slower' than Peterson than you're clearly high. If I had to guess I'd say they have roughly the same levels of speed.

 

[B-Deep]

yeah, I'm sure it's been mentioned a dozen times already, but I think peterson fumbled about 20x his first 3 years.

so, I'm not saying this guy is ap, but we can give him a couple fumbles before cutting him from our fantasy teams and running him out of the league.

I've tried saying it a couple times and it was faced with

LOLOLOL ADP WAS A STUD AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN A STUD. HE WAS NEVER A ROOKIE WITH ANY QUESTIONS... STUD STUD STUD. NOBODY SITS ADP WHETHER HE FUMBLES 20X OR NEVER!!!

So I just gave up on that completely reasonable argument.

well

first off Petersen did not have coughlin as his coach

second, if you think that Wilson;s ceiling is anywhere near peterson's then we have identified the issue. The better a player is the more mistakes you can put up with.

If you think there's no chance Wilson's ceiling is anywhere near Peterson's, we've also identified the issue.

Really!??!! This is where we are on Wilson. Good god, no wonder people are so shocked he was benched. Let's have a bit of a reality check. Peterson almost won a Heisman Trophy his freshman year of college and probably should have, given his stats. He is 6' 2", 220 lbs and runs a 4.4 forty. He's been compared to Eric Dickerson and Earl Campbell since he was 18 years old. He then came into the league and immediately became it's best RB. Broke the single game record as a rookie.

David Wilson is 5' 11" and 200 lbs. He ran a 4.5 forty. So, he's smaller, less powerful, and slower than ADP. Oh yeah, he couldn't beat out Ryan ####### Williams or Darren Evans(who?) on his college squad. Let's stop the nonsense already.

Wow the level of dumb in the pool is high lately.

First of all... David Wilson is 5' 9" 205 lbs... he'd be a stick at 5' 11" 200 lbs (see Jamaal Charles/Chris Johnson).

And you're right... David Wilson is clearly small and not powerful and slow. He doesn't happen to have the exact same frame as some of the best RBs in NFL history. Where ADP is built like Erik Dickerson and Earl Campbell... David Wilson is built like Barry Sanders (5' 8" 200lbs) and Marshall Faulk (5' 10" 211lbs). But those guys were clearly small and not powerful and never succeeded in the NFL. Also, 40 times really aren't always indicative of someones on the field speed. If you watch Wilson on an open break and really think he's 'slower' than Peterson than you're clearly high. If I had to guess I'd say they have roughly the same levels of speed.

so his ceiling is barry sanders or emmitt smith?

come on people

 

[B-Deep]

only 17,978 more yards to go till he breaks Emmitt's record!

 

[rizzler]

Being #### on by way too many people not to have a nice game

 

[ShaHBucks]

only 17,978 more yards to go till he breaks Emmitt's record!

 

[B-Deep]

Being #### on by way too many people not to have a nice game

does he know dentist?

 

[Khy]

yeah, I'm sure it's been mentioned a dozen times already, but I think peterson fumbled about 20x his first 3 years.

so, I'm not saying this guy is ap, but we can give him a couple fumbles before cutting him from our fantasy teams and running him out of the league.

I've tried saying it a couple times and it was faced with

LOLOLOL ADP WAS A STUD AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN A STUD. HE WAS NEVER A ROOKIE WITH ANY QUESTIONS... STUD STUD STUD. NOBODY SITS ADP WHETHER HE FUMBLES 20X OR NEVER!!!

So I just gave up on that completely reasonable argument.

well

first off Petersen did not have coughlin as his coach

second, if you think that Wilson;s ceiling is anywhere near peterson's then we have identified the issue. The better a player is the more mistakes you can put up with.

If you think there's no chance Wilson's ceiling is anywhere near Peterson's, we've also identified the issue.

Really!??!! This is where we are on Wilson. Good god, no wonder people are so shocked he was benched. Let's have a bit of a reality check. Peterson almost won a Heisman Trophy his freshman year of college and probably should have, given his stats. He is 6' 2", 220 lbs and runs a 4.4 forty. He's been compared to Eric Dickerson and Earl Campbell since he was 18 years old. He then came into the league and immediately became it's best RB. Broke the single game record as a rookie.

David Wilson is 5' 11" and 200 lbs. He ran a 4.5 forty. So, he's smaller, less powerful, and slower than ADP. Oh yeah, he couldn't beat out Ryan ####### Williams or Darren Evans(who?) on his college squad. Let's stop the nonsense already.

Wow the level of dumb in the pool is high lately.

First of all... David Wilson is 5' 9" 205 lbs... he'd be a stick at 5' 11" 200 lbs (see Jamaal Charles/Chris Johnson).

And you're right... David Wilson is clearly small and not powerful and slow. He doesn't happen to have the exact same frame as some of the best RBs in NFL history. Where ADP is built like Erik Dickerson and Earl Campbell... David Wilson is built like Barry Sanders (5' 8" 200lbs) and Marshall Faulk (5' 10" 211lbs). But those guys were clearly small and not powerful and never succeeded in the NFL. Also, 40 times really aren't always indicative of someones on the field speed. If you watch Wilson on an open break and really think he's 'slower' than Peterson than you're clearly high. If I had to guess I'd say they have roughly the same levels of speed.

so his ceiling is barry sanders or emmitt smith?

come on people

Please... would you mind citing the portion of my post where I said his ceiling is Barry Sanders or Emmitt Smith? Go ahead... I'll wait...

Okay, now that you actually read the words I wrote and didn't just see the name Barry Sanders pop up on a Wilson thread and go "HAHAHAHAHHAHA YOU THINK WILSON IS SANDERS YOU TARD!". We can actually talk.

I think Wilson has a lot of improvements to make in his game. He needs to work on his maturity, his fumbling and his pass protection. If he can come around on all of those issues though? I do think he has the physical talent and build to be one of the best RBs of this generation... yes. You can call me crazy if you like, I don't really care. But I think you'd have to be mentally insane to not realize that the raw running talent is there for the kid. It's just a matter of him bringing all the other intangibles that come with being a RB together into the complete package.

Whether or not he actually brings everything together? That's something none of us could even begin to speculate on... it's far to early in his career to know. He could take his raw talent and fix his issues in fumbling and pass blocking to become on of THE elite RBs of his time (Adrian Peterson) or he can take his raw talent and never fix all his problems and eventually fade off into a role that always leaves people saying "Man... if only David Wilson ever <fixed this>" (Jonathan Stewart).

 

[B-Deep]

yeah, I'm sure it's been mentioned a dozen times already, but I think peterson fumbled about 20x his first 3 years.

so, I'm not saying this guy is ap, but we can give him a couple fumbles before cutting him from our fantasy teams and running him out of the league.

I've tried saying it a couple times and it was faced with

LOLOLOL ADP WAS A STUD AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN A STUD. HE WAS NEVER A ROOKIE WITH ANY QUESTIONS... STUD STUD STUD. NOBODY SITS ADP WHETHER HE FUMBLES 20X OR NEVER!!!

So I just gave up on that completely reasonable argument.

well

first off Petersen did not have coughlin as his coach

second, if you think that Wilson;s ceiling is anywhere near peterson's then we have identified the issue. The better a player is the more mistakes you can put up with.

If you think there's no chance Wilson's ceiling is anywhere near Peterson's, we've also identified the issue.

Really!??!! This is where we are on Wilson. Good god, no wonder people are so shocked he was benched. Let's have a bit of a reality check. Peterson almost won a Heisman Trophy his freshman year of college and probably should have, given his stats. He is 6' 2", 220 lbs and runs a 4.4 forty. He's been compared to Eric Dickerson and Earl Campbell since he was 18 years old. He then came into the league and immediately became it's best RB. Broke the single game record as a rookie.

David Wilson is 5' 11" and 200 lbs. He ran a 4.5 forty. So, he's smaller, less powerful, and slower than ADP. Oh yeah, he couldn't beat out Ryan ####### Williams or Darren Evans(who?) on his college squad. Let's stop the nonsense already.

Wow the level of dumb in the pool is high lately.

First of all... David Wilson is 5' 9" 205 lbs... he'd be a stick at 5' 11" 200 lbs (see Jamaal Charles/Chris Johnson).

And you're right... David Wilson is clearly small and not powerful and slow. He doesn't happen to have the exact same frame as some of the best RBs in NFL history. Where ADP is built like Erik Dickerson and Earl Campbell... David Wilson is built like Barry Sanders (5' 8" 200lbs) and Marshall Faulk (5' 10" 211lbs). But those guys were clearly small and not powerful and never succeeded in the NFL. Also, 40 times really aren't always indicative of someones on the field speed. If you watch Wilson on an open break and really think he's 'slower' than Peterson than you're clearly high. If I had to guess I'd say they have roughly the same levels of speed.

so his ceiling is barry sanders or emmitt smith?

come on people

Please... would you mind citing the portion of my post where I said his ceiling is Barry Sanders or Emmitt Smith? Go ahead... I'll wait...

Okay, now that you actually read the words I wrote and didn't just see the name Barry Sanders pop up on a Wilson thread and go "HAHAHAHAHHAHA YOU THINK WILSON IS SANDERS YOU TARD!". We can actually talk.

I think Wilson has a lot of improvements to make in his game. He needs to work on his maturity, his fumbling and his pass protection. If he can come around on all of those issues though? I do think he has the physical talent and build to be one of the best RBs of this generation... yes. You can call me crazy if you like, I don't really care. But I think you'd have to be mentally insane to not realize that the raw running talent is there for the kid. It's just a matter of him bringing all the other intangibles that come with being a RB together into the complete package.

Whether or not he actually brings everything together? That's something none of us could even begin to speculate on... it's far to early in his career to know. He could take his raw talent and fix his issues in fumbling and pass blocking to become on of THE elite RBs of his time (Adrian Peterson) or he can take his raw talent and never fix all his problems and eventually fade off into a role that always leaves people saying "Man... if only David Wilson ever <fixed this>" (Jonathan Stewart).

ok

lets go back to the ridiculous statement that started all of this, which i do recall

several people jumped in and said "Peterson fumbled all the time!!"

the point that was then made was peterson is miles better than Wilson. It is kind of like if your girlfriend is Jessica Biel you'll put up with a lot more #### than if she is Rossie O'Donnel.

I pointed out that Wilson's ceiling is nowhere near peterson's, which of course someone said was wrong. So the discussion which led to your post about him being similar to Emmitt Smith and Barry Sanders was a discussion on his ceiling. I did notice that you chose Barry Sanders and not Tim Biakabatukua when comparing body size, which leads me to believe there was some reason you chose those particular backs. If you agree his ceiling is nowhere near Sanders, Smith, or Peterson then we are on the same page (which in no way means he is crap). However it still seems that you think his ceiling might be up there as well.

saying "peterson fumbled too" is a ridiculous apples to nazi-dictators-with-funny-mustaches comparison

 

[Khy]

yeah, I'm sure it's been mentioned a dozen times already, but I think peterson fumbled about 20x his first 3 years.

so, I'm not saying this guy is ap, but we can give him a couple fumbles before cutting him from our fantasy teams and running him out of the league.

I've tried saying it a couple times and it was faced with

LOLOLOL ADP WAS A STUD AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN A STUD. HE WAS NEVER A ROOKIE WITH ANY QUESTIONS... STUD STUD STUD. NOBODY SITS ADP WHETHER HE FUMBLES 20X OR NEVER!!!

So I just gave up on that completely reasonable argument.

well

first off Petersen did not have coughlin as his coach

second, if you think that Wilson;s ceiling is anywhere near peterson's then we have identified the issue. The better a player is the more mistakes you can put up with.

If you think there's no chance Wilson's ceiling is anywhere near Peterson's, we've also identified the issue.

Really!??!! This is where we are on Wilson. Good god, no wonder people are so shocked he was benched. Let's have a bit of a reality check. Peterson almost won a Heisman Trophy his freshman year of college and probably should have, given his stats. He is 6' 2", 220 lbs and runs a 4.4 forty. He's been compared to Eric Dickerson and Earl Campbell since he was 18 years old. He then came into the league and immediately became it's best RB. Broke the single game record as a rookie.

David Wilson is 5' 11" and 200 lbs. He ran a 4.5 forty. So, he's smaller, less powerful, and slower than ADP. Oh yeah, he couldn't beat out Ryan ####### Williams or Darren Evans(who?) on his college squad. Let's stop the nonsense already.

Wow the level of dumb in the pool is high lately.

First of all... David Wilson is 5' 9" 205 lbs... he'd be a stick at 5' 11" 200 lbs (see Jamaal Charles/Chris Johnson).

And you're right... David Wilson is clearly small and not powerful and slow. He doesn't happen to have the exact same frame as some of the best RBs in NFL history. Where ADP is built like Erik Dickerson and Earl Campbell... David Wilson is built like Barry Sanders (5' 8" 200lbs) and Marshall Faulk (5' 10" 211lbs). But those guys were clearly small and not powerful and never succeeded in the NFL. Also, 40 times really aren't always indicative of someones on the field speed. If you watch Wilson on an open break and really think he's 'slower' than Peterson than you're clearly high. If I had to guess I'd say they have roughly the same levels of speed.

so his ceiling is barry sanders or emmitt smith?

come on people

Please... would you mind citing the portion of my post where I said his ceiling is Barry Sanders or Emmitt Smith? Go ahead... I'll wait...

Okay, now that you actually read the words I wrote and didn't just see the name Barry Sanders pop up on a Wilson thread and go "HAHAHAHAHHAHA YOU THINK WILSON IS SANDERS YOU TARD!". We can actually talk.

I think Wilson has a lot of improvements to make in his game. He needs to work on his maturity, his fumbling and his pass protection. If he can come around on all of those issues though? I do think he has the physical talent and build to be one of the best RBs of this generation... yes. You can call me crazy if you like, I don't really care. But I think you'd have to be mentally insane to not realize that the raw running talent is there for the kid. It's just a matter of him bringing all the other intangibles that come with being a RB together into the complete package.

Whether or not he actually brings everything together? That's something none of us could even begin to speculate on... it's far to early in his career to know. He could take his raw talent and fix his issues in fumbling and pass blocking to become on of THE elite RBs of his time (Adrian Peterson) or he can take his raw talent and never fix all his problems and eventually fade off into a role that always leaves people saying "Man... if only David Wilson ever <fixed this>" (Jonathan Stewart).

ok

lets go back to the ridiculous statement that started all of this, which i do recall

several people jumped in and said "Peterson fumbled all the time!!"

the point that was then made was peterson is miles better than Wilson. It is kind of like if your girlfriend is Jessica Biel you'll put up with a lot more #### than if she is Rossie O'Donnel.

I pointed out that Wilson's ceiling is nowhere near peterson's, which of course someone said was wrong. So the discussion which led to your post about him being similar to Emmitt Smith and Barry Sanders was a discussion on his ceiling. I did notice that you chose Barry Sanders and not Tim Biakabatukua when comparing body size, which leads me to believe there was some reason you chose those particular backs. If you agree his ceiling is nowhere near Sanders, Smith, or Peterson then we are on the same page (which in no way means he is crap). However it still seems that you think his ceiling might be up there as well.

saying "peterson fumbled too" is a ridiculous apples to nazi-dictators-with-funny-mustaches comparison

It really isn't ridiculous to say "Peterson fumbled too"... it's ridiculous now because you can't get past hindsight. You can't get out of your head that we NOW know that Adrian Peterson is one of the best RBs of all time. It is 100% relevant that Peterson had some of the worst fumbling issue of any player in the NFL through a 3 year stretch. The reason that it matters is actually very simple. It's the old saying of "talent usually wins out". In the end if Wilson is going to fumble 4-5 times a season (just picking a random number) it isn't as relevant if he's able to run rampant in every game he plays in. Which was the same case with Peterson... it didn't matter that he pretty much averaged a fumble every other game for 3 seasons. He was such a threat that he was put on the field anyway. That's the point a lot of us are trying to get to...

Say over the next 3-4 weeks he can keep the ball off the ground and average something like 20 touches 150 yards and a TD (again just spit balling here), then in Week 6 he fumbles again around the middle of the game while he has a statline of 10 touches, 70 yards. He won't be benched, just won't... it will be ignored because at that point HOW can you possibly take him off the field? For every fumble he's putting up hundreds of yards and big plays that FAR out weigh the loss of the ball every few games. And you just hope he fixes it eventually.

THIS is why it's a relevant comparison. Not so much that David Wilson's ceiling is Adrian Peterson (although I don't think his ceiling is significantly below average Peterson), but that if Wilson, like Peterson before him. Can be so explosive that you can't take him off the field, then the fumbles won't matter as much. If he's averaging 5.5ypc or something along those lines through a few games. One fumble here or there won't matter because he'll be winning games for the Giants not losing them.

 

[Rick James]

this thread is just flatout terrible.

 

[Bob Magaw]

it isn't just from hindsight, knowing what peterson has done in the NFL...

before peterson had played a down, scouts called him a generational talent...

there were some that said he had the physical ability and talent to have turned pro after seeing his freshman season (if rules didn't prevent it)...

no one ever said these things about wilson...

this was reflected in their pedigree... wilson went at end of first, peterson closer to top of first (may have gone higher, but coming off broken collar bone)...

i don't think it is a good comparison to say that because peterson's HC was forgiving about fumbles, wilson's might be, too...

* if you don't believe this, poll 100 or 1,000 people if wilson was as good a prospect as peterson, or close to as good in college... the response is going to be close to 0%... which ought to tell you your position is an extreme outlier...

 

[Sinn Fein]

So I guess the points to take away from this discussion are:

1. We have a lot of NFL caliber coaches posting in here. Good to know

2. Coughlin doesn't know how to coach in the NFL, or does not want to win, no other reason for benching Wilson

3. Nobody knew Peterson would be a good RB until last year

4. Wilson is so talented that a couple of fumbles a game should not slow him down.

Anything else I need to know?

 

[LususV]

yeah, I'm sure it's been mentioned a dozen times already, but I think peterson fumbled about 20x his first 3 years.

so, I'm not saying this guy is ap, but we can give him a couple fumbles before cutting him from our fantasy teams and running him out of the league.

I've tried saying it a couple times and it was faced with

LOLOLOL ADP WAS A STUD AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN A STUD. HE WAS NEVER A ROOKIE WITH ANY QUESTIONS... STUD STUD STUD. NOBODY SITS ADP WHETHER HE FUMBLES 20X OR NEVER!!!

So I just gave up on that completely reasonable argument.

well

first off Petersen did not have coughlin as his coach

second, if you think that Wilson;s ceiling is anywhere near peterson's then we have identified the issue. The better a player is the more mistakes you can put up with.

If you think there's no chance Wilson's ceiling is anywhere near Peterson's, we've also identified the issue.

Really!??!! This is where we are on Wilson. Good god, no wonder people are so shocked he was benched. Let's have a bit of a reality check. Peterson almost won a Heisman Trophy his freshman year of college and probably should have, given his stats. He is 6' 2", 220 lbs and runs a 4.4 forty. He's been compared to Eric Dickerson and Earl Campbell since he was 18 years old. He then came into the league and immediately became it's best RB. Broke the single game record as a rookie.

David Wilson is 5' 11" and 200 lbs. He ran a 4.5 forty. So, he's smaller, less powerful, and slower than ADP. Oh yeah, he couldn't beat out Ryan ####### Williams or Darren Evans(who?) on his college squad. Let's stop the nonsense already.

Wow the level of dumb in the pool is high lately.

First of all... David Wilson is 5' 9" 205 lbs... he'd be a stick at 5' 11" 200 lbs (see Jamaal Charles/Chris Johnson).

And you're right... David Wilson is clearly small and not powerful and slow. He doesn't happen to have the exact same frame as some of the best RBs in NFL history. Where ADP is built like Erik Dickerson and Earl Campbell... David Wilson is built like Barry Sanders (5' 8" 200lbs) and Marshall Faulk (5' 10" 211lbs). But those guys were clearly small and not powerful and never succeeded in the NFL. Also, 40 times really aren't always indicative of someones on the field speed. If you watch Wilson on an open break and really think he's 'slower' than Peterson than you're clearly high. If I had to guess I'd say they have roughly the same levels of speed.

so his ceiling is barry sanders or emmitt smith?

come on people

It amazes me the difficulty people have in understanding the word 'ceiling'.

CEILING <> EXPECTED VALUE.

AP's ceiling is 2012 AP. AP's expectation is something lesser than 2012 AP.

DW's ceiling is unknown. His expected value is less than AP.

 

[T with T]

So I guess the points to take away from this discussion are:

1. We have a lot of NFL caliber coaches posting in here. Good to know

2. Coughlin doesn't know how to coach in the NFL, or does not want to win, no other reason for benching Wilson

3. Nobody knew Peterson would be a good RB until last year

4. Wilson is so talented that a couple of fumbles a game should not slow him down.

Anything else I need to know?

He isn't gonna cough it up no pun intended a couple times a game... it was week 1 jitters give the kid a break and yes he has AP potential although they are different backs.. One guy is more power and bigger while other guy is like barry/faulk mold. Both are phenom talents and explosive in their own right way.

 

[Khy]

So I guess the points to take away from this discussion are:

1. We have a lot of NFL caliber coaches posting in here. Good to know

2. Coughlin doesn't know how to coach in the NFL, or does not want to win, no other reason for benching Wilson

3. Nobody knew Peterson would be a good RB until last year

4. Wilson is so talented that a couple of fumbles a game should not slow him down.

Anything else I need to know?

He isn't gonna cough it up no pun intended a couple times a game... it was week 1 jitters give the kid a break and yes he has AP potential although they are different backs.. One guy is more power and bigger while other guy is like barry/faulk mold. Both are phenom talents and explosive in their own right way.

Nope.. Wilson is in no way a phenom talent he's just some chump that fumbles.

 

[Rove!]

At this point you'd have to say Wilson's floor is unlimited too

from Rotoworld:

Two lost fumbles got David Wilson benched in the Giants' opener, but the loose balls don't tell the whole story. Wilson blew a blitz pickup, was stuffed at the goal line, committed a pre-snap motion penalty, averaged 1.9 yards per carry, and had his lone target intercepted. The Giants will keep Wilson on a short leash,

ouch