***David Wilson Bandwagon*** (1 Viewer)

[Khy]

Is Wilson running in place?

Getting the bulk of the carries, getting none of the yards...

If you're actually watching the game, ignore Scott's 19 yards. They were both 3rd and long plays deep in their own territory that were just "get us out of here" type of runs. The one was actually a play call Eli made from their own 5 on 3rd and 15 or something like that. And he just handed it to Scott for 11 yards. Wilson's looked pretty good but they're just not using him again.

The big problem I'm seeing right now is besides 1 or 2 plays, when he's on the field they run the ball and when he's not they pass. I'm sure the Chiefs are seeing this as well. I'd really like to see them just leave him on the field for a whole drive and see how much the offense opens up. Cause every time Wilson's on the field they're run blitzing it and it's working every time.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Is Wilson running in place?

No, he's getting a solid 3 ypc. David Wilson is the next Leroy Hoard.

 

[TheFanatic]

Is Wilson running in place?

Getting the bulk of the carries, getting none of the yards...

If you're actually watching the game, ignore Scott's 19 yards. They were both 3rd and long plays deep in their own territory that were just "get us out of here" type of runs. The one was actually a play call Eli made from their own 5 on 3rd and 15 or something like that. And he just handed it to Scott for 11 yards. Wilson's looked pretty good but they're just not using him again.

The big problem I'm seeing right now is besides 1 or 2 plays, when he's on the field they run the ball and when he's not they pass. I'm sure the Chiefs are seeing this as well. I'd really like to see them just leave him on the field for a whole drive and see how much the offense opens up. Cause every time Wilson's on the field they're run blitzing it and it's working every time.

I'm not watching. Just catching snippets here and there on the RZ channel. Thanks for the input...

 

[Kenny Powers]

Is Wilson running in place?

Getting the bulk of the carries, getting none of the yards...

If you're actually watching the game, ignore Scott's 19 yards. They were both 3rd and long plays deep in their own territory that were just "get us out of here" type of runs. The one was actually a play call Eli made from their own 5 on 3rd and 15 or something like that. And he just handed it to Scott for 11 yards. Wilson's looked pretty good but they're just not using him again.

The big problem I'm seeing right now is besides 1 or 2 plays, when he's on the field they run the ball and when he's not they pass. I'm sure the Chiefs are seeing this as well. I'd really like to see them just leave him on the field for a whole drive and see how much the offense opens up. Cause every time Wilson's on the field they're run blitzing it and it's working every time.

So he caught the Mark Ingram Syndrome?! ####ing fantastic.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Is Wilson running in place?

No, he's getting a solid 3 ypc. David Wilson is the next Leroy Hoard.

His posts are okay.

 

[Short Corner]

Is Wilson running in place?

Getting the bulk of the carries, getting none of the yards...

If you're actually watching the game, ignore Scott's 19 yards. They were both 3rd and long plays deep in their own territory that were just "get us out of here" type of runs. The one was actually a play call Eli made from their own 5 on 3rd and 15 or something like that. And he just handed it to Scott for 11 yards. Wilson's looked pretty good but they're just not using him again.

The big problem I'm seeing right now is besides 1 or 2 plays, when he's on the field they run the ball and when he's not they pass. I'm sure the Chiefs are seeing this as well. I'd really like to see them just leave him on the field for a whole drive and see how much the offense opens up. Cause every time Wilson's on the field they're run blitzing it and it's working every time.

So he is seeing <33% of the snaps?

 

[TheFanatic]

Couple of nice runs recently, bringing that YPC close to 4

 

[avina1]

about 4 YPC against the Chiefs. Not too bad.

 

[bizeast]

12/46 feels fairly solid vs KC and playing from behind.

 

[monk]

Herzlich is a nice story ... unfortunately he's nothing more than that.

Another player who should be on an NFL roster ... but he is the starting MLB on the Giants.

 

[monk]

Very Cheap shot may have just ended Pierre Paul's seasons

 

[monk]

Is Wilson running in place?

Getting the bulk of the carries, getting none of the yards...

12 touches for 46 yards ... it's disgraceful what they are doing to this guy and this team.

 

[duaneok66]

You know you're on hard times when your third (or second) round pick gets 46 yards and you are encouraged . . .

 

[Khy]

You know you're on hard times when your third (or second) round pick gets 46 yards and you are encouraged . . .

I'll direct you to what I said below:

On the surface it would seem that week 5 against the Eagles would be the opportune time for the breakout given how stout KC's defense has been this year but KC can be offensively challenged so Wilson should get many more attempts...

I made this analysis like 4 pages back after Week 2. I felt like you could probably wait until after Week 4 and buy him at the lowest point between 4-5 and then have him blow up after that for the stretch of bottom 3rd rush defenses that he hits. Although after Philly torching KC last week, I'm slightly more optimistic for Wilson this week. They are going to HAVE to run the ball to keep the defense honest. If they try and use the gameplan they've been using the past 3 weeks, 7 sacks will look like a good day for them. Justin Houston will finish this game with like 5 sacks himself if they try to just go pass pass pass every drive.

Honestly, at this point the Giants season is all but done. Unless somehow the Eagles, Skins and Cowboys all lose today. Which I suppose is possible. But they're not coming back from 3 games back if the Boys win today. If the seasons done, I'd assume they have to give Wilson the best chance possible to see real time.

 

[dickey moe]

At this pace maybe he'll start scoring double digit FF points by week 16.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Very Cheap shot may have just ended Pierre Paul's seasons

All of them?

 

[FlapJacks]

You know you're on hard times when your third (or second) round pick gets 46 yards - mostly in garbage time - and you are encouraged . .

fyp

 

[Loan Sharks]

If the seasons done, I'd assume they have to give Wilson the best chance possible to see real time.

That way they can be absolutely sure that he is not the future when Brown gets back. When he does they will want him to finish out the garbage time at the end of the year to see if he has made a recovery and he is the back they thought he was going into the season.

 

[msudaisy26]

If Spiller is out next week, and Doug Martin has a bye I will be forced to start Wilson. I would like to use my "One Time" next week for Wilson. He is bound to break one and they play a horrible Eagles rush defense next week.

 

[T with T]

yes if Dmac is hurt which he probably is I may be forced to start him also... and gimpy white.

 

[iamkoza]

I will definitely be starting him next week against philly.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Week 5 is his breakout

Starting....with confidence.

 

[zamboni]

Not sure if it was mentioned, but Scott had a very bad fumble on an exchange with Eli in the fourth quarter. The game was really out of reach, but we all know how Coughlin feels about fumbles. Just something to keep an eye on.

I am not even close to being ready to start Wilson yet, but somehow I feel that he is going to break out against the Eagles next week at home.

 

[Andrew74]

I might have to start him week 5. With byes it's down to him or Mathews. Leaning Wilson at the moment.

 

[Sabertooth]

WTF happened to the Giants?

 

[Khy]

Not sure if it was mentioned, but Scott had a very bad fumble on an exchange with Eli in the fourth quarter. The game was really out of reach, but we all know how Coughlin feels about fumbles. Just something to keep an eye on.

I am not even close to being ready to start Wilson yet, but somehow I feel that he is going to break out against the Eagles next week at home.

I feel like you almost have to start him against the Eagles... even Ryan Mathews posted 4.56ypc against them. Also as you said, that Scott fumble was pretty unforgivable. You've taken how many hand offs in your life and you don't close your arms? You just let the ball hit you in the chest and fall? It's not like Eli tripped and put it off the mark or something, Scott just never took the ball.

Honestly, I don't know how the Giants coaches aren't observing the same thing every other fan and analyst are seeing. They might as well stand on the sidelines with big posterboards that say "Running Play" and "Passing Play" and just hold them up each down. They put Wilson in and 50% of the time they run the ball with him, they put Scott in 82% of the time it's a pass. Defenses clearly can read this and are obviously run blitzing when Wilson's on the field, and they're dropping back into coverage or blitzing when Scott's on the field. Because they KNOW what they're doing. It's ridiculous... I sat there watching this game yesterday just dumbfounded. They put Wilson in, he rips off a 12 yard run, then they take him out for Scott and they throw the ball... what? Wilson rips off a 9 yard run, then a 2 yard run, then they take him out and pass. And they keep doing this... it's ridiculous. I'd love to see what this offense would look like with less telegraphing. I'd love to see them just leave Wilson in for an entire drive, when he breaks off 2 runs, leave him in there for Play Action. Then run him again. Leave him out for a whole drive and see what actually happens. Stop telegraphing every frigging drive.

 

[DoubleG]

WTF happened to the Giants?

They lost their running game and their defense is all hurt. They were a "run and play good defense" team...now they are just a team.

 

[Sabertooth]

Bull####. Nicks isn't doing anything either. You can heap this all on Wilson but that's weak sauce. There are much bigger issues here than an RB averaging 3.4 YPC. That's rough but not team killing rough.

 

[finito]

WTF happened to the Giants?

They lost their running game and their defense is all hurt. They were a "run and play good defense" team...now they are just a team.

And their O-line is in shambles.

 

[Khy]

WTF happened to the Giants?

They lost their running game and their defense is all hurt. They were a "run and play good defense" team...now they are just a team.

"Lost their running game" isn't really 100% accurate, more like gave up on it. You'd think at 0-3 they'd look at the running game and say "You know this rotation thing we have between Wilson, Scott and Jacobs is failing pretty bad. We said Wilson was our guy going into the season. Lets give him a real chance". He saw 13 carries, Scott saw 5. But 3 of Scott's 5 came on 3rd and longs and were just "get the hell out of here" runs. It was a 10-7 game until late in the 3rd quarter and they were still passing more than they should be passing. Eli's completion percentage has been going down every week... 64.3%, 57.1%, 52.2%, 48.6%. I just don't understand that at 0-4 and Eli sucking rather badly at this point, and none of the other RBs showing any real promise AND Wilson being pretty decent the past 3 games in pass protection. How you don't just feed the kid and keep him out there for a whole drive or two and see what happens. You're 0-4... wtf do you have to lose? Clearly giving him 10 carries per week on average isn't working, try giving him 20 see what happens? What's the worst thing that happens? You go 0-5? OH NO... clearly you're going to be 0-5 if you keep this torrid pace of #### up. Change... It... Up. Or just fire Gilbride, that'd be helpful also.

 

[B-Deep]

WTF happened to the Giants?

general consensus in here is they have an elite talent in Wilson and are not using him enough

 

[B-Deep]

WTF happened to the Giants?

They lost their running game and their defense is all hurt. They were a "run and play good defense" team...now they are just a team.

"Lost their running game" isn't really 100% accurate, more like gave up on it. You'd think at 0-3 they'd look at the running game and say "You know this rotation thing we have between Wilson, Scott and Jacobs is failing pretty bad. We said Wilson was our guy going into the season. Lets give him a real chance". He saw 13 carries, Scott saw 5. But 3 of Scott's 5 came on 3rd and longs and were just "get the hell out of here" runs. It was a 10-7 game until late in the 3rd quarter and they were still passing more than they should be passing. Eli's completion percentage has been going down every week... 64.3%, 57.1%, 52.2%, 48.6%. I just don't understand that at 0-4 and Eli sucking rather badly at this point, and none of the other RBs showing any real promise AND Wilson being pretty decent the past 3 games in pass protection. How you don't just feed the kid and keep him out there for a whole drive or two and see what happens. You're 0-4... wtf do you have to lose? Clearly giving him 10 carries per week on average isn't working, try giving him 20 see what happens? What's the worst thing that happens? You go 0-5? OH NO... clearly you're going to be 0-5 if you keep this torrid pace of #### up. Change... It... Up. Or just fire Gilbride, that'd be helpful also.

because they don't think he is that good, their opinion is likely he is sucking just like the other RBs

 

[msudaisy26]

Everyone lets be honest, no one expected the Giants to be this bad. Part of the problem is Wilson and the running game. This team is in shambles, in order here are the main problems with the Giants

1. The Offensive line - they have no concept of pass blocking or run blocking

2. The Offensive line - I don't think I can stress how bad they really are

3. The defense - when you are on the field this much it doesn't help but they are getting gashed by Alex Smith something is wrong

4. Eli Manning - Some of his turnovers are mind boggling, some of them are because he is rushed from his bad line and some are him just trying to make plays because they are losing by 3 scores

5. The Offensive line - I am serious we can't stress enough how bad this line is and they main reason why this team is so bad

6. David Wilson and the running game - I am a big fan of him, and his 2 fumbles were a killer in the first game, but lets be real here. Peterson, or insert any hall of fame back would be right around 4 yards a carry at best.

 

[steveski]

Only their best players get put in the doghouse for fumbling. If you're a subpar player and you fumble, no problem! The game was actually pretty close but the special teams fell apart at the end which is why the score looks so lopsided. Like Khy said, they have to change the gameplan next week. They have nothing to lose. Maybe bring in a "guest" OC for a week and see how it goes?

Watch out JAX, Bridgewater may be ours!

 

[TheFanatic]

I might have to start him week 5. With byes it's down to him or Mathews. Leaning Wilson at the moment.

I see your crappy potential starters and raise you that I have to start both Wilson AND Mattews with ADP on a bye.

 

[B-Deep]

New York Giants defensive end Justin Tuck came to his coach's defense on Sunday, saying that if any of his teammates turn on Tom Coughlin, he will "punch him in the mouth."

Tuck made the comment after the Giants fell to 0-4 with a 31-7 loss to the Kansas City Chiefs.

"If anyone turns on our coach, I would be the first one to punch him in the mouth," Tuck said, according to The New York Daily News. "And put that in print. It better not happen, I know that."

Giants wide receiver Victor Cruz questioned one of Coughlin's decisions in Sunday's game. With the Giants trailing, 10-7, late in the third quarter and facing a 4th-and-1 at their own 30-yard line, Coughlin elected to punt, rather than go for the first down.

"We've got to take a risk at some point and make something happen," Cruz told reporters.

That punt ended up being returned 89 yards for a touchdown by Dexter McCluster, giving Kansas City a 17-7 lead.

The Giants, just two years removed from winning the Super Bowl, are 0-4 for the first time since 1987, and the first time in a non-strike season since 1979.

New York lost a close game in Week 1 in Dallas (36-31), but has been blown out three weeks in a row by Denver (41-23), Carolina (38-0) and Kansas City.

 

[Khy]

New York Giants defensive end Justin Tuck came to his coach's defense on Sunday, saying that if any of his teammates turn on Tom Coughlin, he will "punch him in the mouth."

Tuck made the comment after the Giants fell to 0-4 with a 31-7 loss to the Kansas City Chiefs.

"If anyone turns on our coach, I would be the first one to punch him in the mouth," Tuck said, according to The New York Daily News. "And put that in print. It better not happen, I know that."

Giants wide receiver Victor Cruz questioned one of Coughlin's decisions in Sunday's game. With the Giants trailing, 10-7, late in the third quarter and facing a 4th-and-1 at their own 30-yard line, Coughlin elected to punt, rather than go for the first down.

"We've got to take a risk at some point and make something happen," Cruz told reporters.

That punt ended up being returned 89 yards for a touchdown by Dexter McCluster, giving Kansas City a 17-7 lead.

The Giants, just two years removed from winning the Super Bowl, are 0-4 for the first time since 1987, and the first time in a non-strike season since 1979.

New York lost a close game in Week 1 in Dallas (36-31), but has been blown out three weeks in a row by Denver (41-23), Carolina (38-0) and Kansas City.

You know... I was watching the game and right before that punt was like "I think you just go for it here" and everyone I was watching with was like "What are you crazy? There's no way you're backed up too far". Then McCluster returned it and everyone goes "Man, should have just went for it" lol

 

[TheFanatic]

New York Giants defensive end Justin Tuck came to his coach's defense on Sunday, saying that if any of his teammates turn on Tom Coughlin, he will "punch him in the mouth."

Tuck made the comment after the Giants fell to 0-4 with a 31-7 loss to the Kansas City Chiefs.

"If anyone turns on our coach, I would be the first one to punch him in the mouth," Tuck said, according to The New York Daily News. "And put that in print. It better not happen, I know that."

Giants wide receiver Victor Cruz questioned one of Coughlin's decisions in Sunday's game. With the Giants trailing, 10-7, late in the third quarter and facing a 4th-and-1 at their own 30-yard line, Coughlin elected to punt, rather than go for the first down.

"We've got to take a risk at some point and make something happen," Cruz told reporters.

That punt ended up being returned 89 yards for a touchdown by Dexter McCluster, giving Kansas City a 17-7 lead.

The Giants, just two years removed from winning the Super Bowl, are 0-4 for the first time since 1987, and the first time in a non-strike season since 1979.

New York lost a close game in Week 1 in Dallas (36-31), but has been blown out three weeks in a row by Denver (41-23), Carolina (38-0) and Kansas City.

You know... I was watching the game and right before that punt was like "I think you just go for it here" and everyone I was watching with was like "What are you crazy? There's no way you're backed up too far". Then McCluster returned it and everyone goes "Man, should have just went for it" lol

10-7 game, you kick that every time. If it were a two score game, then maybe. But that is a punt scenario 100 out of 100. If it were on the 50, then we can talk...

 

[Khy]

New York Giants defensive end Justin Tuck came to his coach's defense on Sunday, saying that if any of his teammates turn on Tom Coughlin, he will "punch him in the mouth."

Tuck made the comment after the Giants fell to 0-4 with a 31-7 loss to the Kansas City Chiefs.

"If anyone turns on our coach, I would be the first one to punch him in the mouth," Tuck said, according to The New York Daily News. "And put that in print. It better not happen, I know that."

Giants wide receiver Victor Cruz questioned one of Coughlin's decisions in Sunday's game. With the Giants trailing, 10-7, late in the third quarter and facing a 4th-and-1 at their own 30-yard line, Coughlin elected to punt, rather than go for the first down.

"We've got to take a risk at some point and make something happen," Cruz told reporters.

That punt ended up being returned 89 yards for a touchdown by Dexter McCluster, giving Kansas City a 17-7 lead.

The Giants, just two years removed from winning the Super Bowl, are 0-4 for the first time since 1987, and the first time in a non-strike season since 1979.

New York lost a close game in Week 1 in Dallas (36-31), but has been blown out three weeks in a row by Denver (41-23), Carolina (38-0) and Kansas City.

You know... I was watching the game and right before that punt was like "I think you just go for it here" and everyone I was watching with was like "What are you crazy? There's no way you're backed up too far". Then McCluster returned it and everyone goes "Man, should have just went for it" lol

10-7 game, you kick that every time. If it were a two score game, then maybe. But that is a punt scenario 100 out of 100. If it were on the 50, then we can talk...

Sure, my gut just told me with the way the seasons been going that they should have just taken a risk for once. That's all it was really. Cruz is definitely wrong for giving Coughlin #### about it though.

 

[TheFanatic]

New York Giants defensive end Justin Tuck came to his coach's defense on Sunday, saying that if any of his teammates turn on Tom Coughlin, he will "punch him in the mouth."

Tuck made the comment after the Giants fell to 0-4 with a 31-7 loss to the Kansas City Chiefs.

"If anyone turns on our coach, I would be the first one to punch him in the mouth," Tuck said, according to The New York Daily News. "And put that in print. It better not happen, I know that."

Giants wide receiver Victor Cruz questioned one of Coughlin's decisions in Sunday's game. With the Giants trailing, 10-7, late in the third quarter and facing a 4th-and-1 at their own 30-yard line, Coughlin elected to punt, rather than go for the first down.

"We've got to take a risk at some point and make something happen," Cruz told reporters.

That punt ended up being returned 89 yards for a touchdown by Dexter McCluster, giving Kansas City a 17-7 lead.

The Giants, just two years removed from winning the Super Bowl, are 0-4 for the first time since 1987, and the first time in a non-strike season since 1979.

New York lost a close game in Week 1 in Dallas (36-31), but has been blown out three weeks in a row by Denver (41-23), Carolina (38-0) and Kansas City.

You know... I was watching the game and right before that punt was like "I think you just go for it here" and everyone I was watching with was like "What are you crazy? There's no way you're backed up too far". Then McCluster returned it and everyone goes "Man, should have just went for it" lol

10-7 game, you kick that every time. If it were a two score game, then maybe. But that is a punt scenario 100 out of 100. If it were on the 50, then we can talk...

Sure, my gut just told me with the way the seasons been going that they should have just taken a risk for once. That's all it was really. Cruz is definitely wrong for giving Coughlin #### about it though.

I know that you feel that way as a frustrated fan. It's like you are holding a monster pair in Texas Holdem, and someone flops the nuts on you. That's what happened on that punt. There is about a 1% chance he runs it back. Just like you having AK with AK showing on the board and betting it all and the guy flipping a pair of A's. You did everything right. But the guy got the most unlikely of results. Can't be down on a fluke play like that. The odds are astronomic against that happening.

 

[ShaHBucks]

WTF happened to the Giants?

They lost their running game and their defense is all hurt. They were a "run and play good defense" team...now they are just a team.

"Lost their running game" isn't really 100% accurate, more like gave up on it. You'd think at 0-3 they'd look at the running game and say "You know this rotation thing we have between Wilson, Scott and Jacobs is failing pretty bad. We said Wilson was our guy going into the season. Lets give him a real chance". He saw 13 carries, Scott saw 5. But 3 of Scott's 5 came on 3rd and longs and were just "get the hell out of here" runs. It was a 10-7 game until late in the 3rd quarter and they were still passing more than they should be passing. Eli's completion percentage has been going down every week... 64.3%, 57.1%, 52.2%, 48.6%. I just don't understand that at 0-4 and Eli sucking rather badly at this point, and none of the other RBs showing any real promise AND Wilson being pretty decent the past 3 games in pass protection. How you don't just feed the kid and keep him out there for a whole drive or two and see what happens. You're 0-4... wtf do you have to lose? Clearly giving him 10 carries per week on average isn't working, try giving him 20 see what happens? What's the worst thing that happens? You go 0-5? OH NO... clearly you're going to be 0-5 if you keep this torrid pace of #### up. Change... It... Up. Or just fire Gilbride, that'd be helpful also.

What on earth makes you think he'd be more efficient with more carries?

 

[monk]

WTF happened to the Giants?

They lost their running game and their defense is all hurt. They were a "run and play good defense" team...now they are just a team.

"Lost their running game" isn't really 100% accurate, more like gave up on it. You'd think at 0-3 they'd look at the running game and say "You know this rotation thing we have between Wilson, Scott and Jacobs is failing pretty bad. We said Wilson was our guy going into the season. Lets give him a real chance". He saw 13 carries, Scott saw 5. But 3 of Scott's 5 came on 3rd and longs and were just "get the hell out of here" runs. It was a 10-7 game until late in the 3rd quarter and they were still passing more than they should be passing. Eli's completion percentage has been going down every week... 64.3%, 57.1%, 52.2%, 48.6%. I just don't understand that at 0-4 and Eli sucking rather badly at this point, and none of the other RBs showing any real promise AND Wilson being pretty decent the past 3 games in pass protection. How you don't just feed the kid and keep him out there for a whole drive or two and see what happens. You're 0-4... wtf do you have to lose? Clearly giving him 10 carries per week on average isn't working, try giving him 20 see what happens? What's the worst thing that happens? You go 0-5? OH NO... clearly you're going to be 0-5 if you keep this torrid pace of #### up. Change... It... Up. Or just fire Gilbride, that'd be helpful also.

What on earth makes you think he'd be more efficient with more carries?

For starters Wilson has been more efficient with more carries (7 for 2.7, 7 for 2.4, 11 for 3.5, 13 for 4.2)

2nd he has looked pretty good the past few weeks despite the predictable and terrible offense. If he were in 70% of the time like he should be the offense would be less predictable, he would get more receptions, and would have more opportunities to bust a big play.

 

[Vincent Gambini]

I don't know if you guys are watching the games but Giants are just not giving Wilson the ball enough. he is producing when he gets the rock (as long as the O-line holds up). At this point they need to see what they have with him. I'd continue to start him.

 

[JuniorNB]

I don't know if you guys are watching the games but Giants are just not giving Wilson the ball enough. he is producing when he gets the rock (as long as the O-line holds up). At this point they need to see what they have with him. I'd continue to start him.

I agree. And using Scott on third downs is a terrible misuse of talent. Every other team with small, fast, quick backs, use him in the passing game to get him out in space. Seems that Gilbride/Coughlin want to make him be a between the tackles runner and forget about his biggest strength. Bernard, Sproles, Rice, etc....these are small fast backs used correctly. You would think there'd be at least one person in the organization that realized this.

 

[Banger]

WTF happened to the Giants?

They lost their running game and their defense is all hurt. They were a "run and play good defense" team...now they are just a team.

"Lost their running game" isn't really 100% accurate, more like gave up on it. You'd think at 0-3 they'd look at the running game and say "You know this rotation thing we have between Wilson, Scott and Jacobs is failing pretty bad. We said Wilson was our guy going into the season. Lets give him a real chance". He saw 13 carries, Scott saw 5. But 3 of Scott's 5 came on 3rd and longs and were just "get the hell out of here" runs. It was a 10-7 game until late in the 3rd quarter and they were still passing more than they should be passing. Eli's completion percentage has been going down every week... 64.3%, 57.1%, 52.2%, 48.6%. I just don't understand that at 0-4 and Eli sucking rather badly at this point, and none of the other RBs showing any real promise AND Wilson being pretty decent the past 3 games in pass protection. How you don't just feed the kid and keep him out there for a whole drive or two and see what happens. You're 0-4... wtf do you have to lose? Clearly giving him 10 carries per week on average isn't working, try giving him 20 see what happens? What's the worst thing that happens? You go 0-5? OH NO... clearly you're going to be 0-5 if you keep this torrid pace of #### up. Change... It... Up. Or just fire Gilbride, that'd be helpful also.

What on earth makes you think he'd be more efficient with more carries?

For starters Wilson has been more efficient with more carries (7 for 2.7, 7 for 2.4, 11 for 3.5, 13 for 4.2)

2nd he has looked pretty good the past few weeks despite the predictable and terrible offense. If he were in 70% of the time like he should be the offense would be less predictable, he would get more receptions, and would have more opportunities to bust a big play.

c'mon he's running for 3.0 ypc this year. If he were breaking big runs and making things happen I could maybe agree more with you but he's done very little with the carries he's gotten. He has 115 career touches and has proven nothing in the NFL. Most David Wilson owners are thinking with their fantasy hats on but he's not their saviour. The Giants problems go far beyond Wilson. I wouldn't look or expect for things to change any time soon.

 

[Khy]

WTF happened to the Giants?

They lost their running game and their defense is all hurt. They were a "run and play good defense" team...now they are just a team.

"Lost their running game" isn't really 100% accurate, more like gave up on it. You'd think at 0-3 they'd look at the running game and say "You know this rotation thing we have between Wilson, Scott and Jacobs is failing pretty bad. We said Wilson was our guy going into the season. Lets give him a real chance". He saw 13 carries, Scott saw 5. But 3 of Scott's 5 came on 3rd and longs and were just "get the hell out of here" runs. It was a 10-7 game until late in the 3rd quarter and they were still passing more than they should be passing. Eli's completion percentage has been going down every week... 64.3%, 57.1%, 52.2%, 48.6%. I just don't understand that at 0-4 and Eli sucking rather badly at this point, and none of the other RBs showing any real promise AND Wilson being pretty decent the past 3 games in pass protection. How you don't just feed the kid and keep him out there for a whole drive or two and see what happens. You're 0-4... wtf do you have to lose? Clearly giving him 10 carries per week on average isn't working, try giving him 20 see what happens? What's the worst thing that happens? You go 0-5? OH NO... clearly you're going to be 0-5 if you keep this torrid pace of #### up. Change... It... Up. Or just fire Gilbride, that'd be helpful also.

What on earth makes you think he'd be more efficient with more carries?

For starters Wilson has been more efficient with more carries (7 for 2.7, 7 for 2.4, 11 for 3.5, 13 for 4.2)

2nd he has looked pretty good the past few weeks despite the predictable and terrible offense. If he were in 70% of the time like he should be the offense would be less predictable, he would get more receptions, and would have more opportunities to bust a big play.

c'mon he's running for 3.0 ypc this year. If he were breaking big runs and making things happen I could maybe agree more with you but he's done very little with the carries he's gotten. He has 115 career touches and has proven nothing in the NFL. Most David Wilson owners are thinking with their fantasy hats on but he's not their saviour. The Giants problems go far beyond Wilson. I wouldn't look or expect for things to change any time soon.

Okay... wrong, he's averaging 3.42ypc on the season. And over the last two weeks 3.91ypc. The issue is not giving him the ball enough. You can't deny what the numbers tell you. The more carries he's gotten in a game the more stats he's put up and the more YPC he's posted.

Week 1: 7 carries, 19 yards, 2.71ypc

Week 2: 7 carries, 17 yards, 2.43ypc

Week 3: 11 carries, 39 yards, 3.55ypc

Week 4: 13 carries, 55 yards, 4.23ypc

Week 5: 20 carries, 100 yards, 5.0ypc???

This goes back to 2012 as well... the 3 games where he saw more than 10 carries he posted lines of 13 carries, 100 yards, 7.69ypc, 12 carries, 55 yards, 4.58ypc, 15 carries, 75 yards, 5.0ypc. He's proven that when given the ball he's productive with it. You can say he hasn't but he actually has... the biggest issue is that he hasn't been given the chance to see the full load. The most carries he has in his career is 15 and he posted 5.0ypc with that 15. Who knows what he could do with 20... What we do know is out of 5 games he's gotten 10+ carries in his stats are

64 carries, 324 yards, 5.06ypc... extrapolate those kinds of numbers to even just 15 carries a game and we're talking somewhere in the ballpark of 240 carries for 1214 yards on the season which isn't to bad to me.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Wilson will continue to be a bust simply because the offensive line is awful. Defenders are in the backfield within a second on almost every play whether it's run or pass. The Giants would do themselves a HUGE favor by throwing some screen passes to Wilson to slow down those edge defenders but they seem content to continue to run the same offense they've run for years. Power run then throw deep every once in a while. Which is a total recipe for failure when power running nets you a yard each play and your QB doesn't have time to throw deep.

 

[JuniorNB]

WTF happened to the Giants?

They lost their running game and their defense is all hurt. They were a "run and play good defense" team...now they are just a team.

"Lost their running game" isn't really 100% accurate, more like gave up on it. You'd think at 0-3 they'd look at the running game and say "You know this rotation thing we have between Wilson, Scott and Jacobs is failing pretty bad. We said Wilson was our guy going into the season. Lets give him a real chance". He saw 13 carries, Scott saw 5. But 3 of Scott's 5 came on 3rd and longs and were just "get the hell out of here" runs. It was a 10-7 game until late in the 3rd quarter and they were still passing more than they should be passing. Eli's completion percentage has been going down every week... 64.3%, 57.1%, 52.2%, 48.6%. I just don't understand that at 0-4 and Eli sucking rather badly at this point, and none of the other RBs showing any real promise AND Wilson being pretty decent the past 3 games in pass protection. How you don't just feed the kid and keep him out there for a whole drive or two and see what happens. You're 0-4... wtf do you have to lose? Clearly giving him 10 carries per week on average isn't working, try giving him 20 see what happens? What's the worst thing that happens? You go 0-5? OH NO... clearly you're going to be 0-5 if you keep this torrid pace of #### up. Change... It... Up. Or just fire Gilbride, that'd be helpful also.

What on earth makes you think he'd be more efficient with more carries?

For starters Wilson has been more efficient with more carries (7 for 2.7, 7 for 2.4, 11 for 3.5, 13 for 4.2)

2nd he has looked pretty good the past few weeks despite the predictable and terrible offense. If he were in 70% of the time like he should be the offense would be less predictable, he would get more receptions, and would have more opportunities to bust a big play.

c'mon he's running for 3.0 ypc this year. If he were breaking big runs and making things happen I could maybe agree more with you but he's done very little with the carries he's gotten. He has 115 career touches and has proven nothing in the NFL. Most David Wilson owners are thinking with their fantasy hats on but he's not their saviour. The Giants problems go far beyond Wilson. I wouldn't look or expect for things to change any time soon.

They'll change. They are slowly changing game by game. Game one was the disaster. Two fumbles. In game two, he was holding the ball so tight with two hands that he looked stiff after taking the handoff. Had about as much burst as Ron Dayne. Last week was a little better, and this week he actually got over the four yards per carry mark. His carries per game has gone up each week too. He has a huge breakout game coming soon.

 

[Warrior]

WTF happened to the Giants?

general consensus in here is they have an elite talent in Wilson and are not using him enough

Definitely not the consensus, or even general consensus.

Only the consensus of delusional David Wilson owners.

He can't even get more than 3.5 YPC during garbage time when defenses are in the prevent. He can't break tackles, can't hold onto the football, and can't pass protect.

They're probably using him too much.

 

[Khy]

WTF happened to the Giants?

general consensus in here is they have an elite talent in Wilson and are not using him enough

Definitely not the consensus, or even general consensus.

Only the consensus of delusional David Wilson owners.

He can't even get more than 3.5 YPC during garbage time when defenses are in the prevent. He can't break tackles, can't hold onto the football, and can't pass protect.

They're probably using him too much.

Have you ever tried watching a game before commenting on a specific players prospects? Just curious...

Seriously.

He can't break tackles? What? PFF has him tied for 6th place in Missed Tackles with 11 on the season. On 38 carries that's pretty good... he's making a missed tackle on around 29% of his carries. Compare that to other RBs... Adrian Peterson... 92 attempts, 25 Missed Tackles or 27%. LeSean McCoy 78 attempts, 17 MT or 21.7%, Reggie Bush 48 attempts, 15 MT or 31%, Matt Forte 69 attempts, 15 MT or 21.7%, Marshawn Lynch 62 attempts, 11 MT or 17.7%. So tell me again how he can't break tackles please.

He can't hold onto the football? He had 1 fumble in the first game last season and none until the first game this season. He had 2 fumbles in his first game this season and none since. Relax here... seriously.

Can't pass protect? PFF actually ranked Scott and Wilson 20 and 21st overall respectively in Pass Blocking Efficiency. It really doesn't make sense that Wilson isn't seeing more playing time.