***David Wilson Bandwagon*** (1 Viewer)

[T with T]

That escalated quickly.

The Wilson-lovin' folks have been hyper-sensitive to any disagreement from day one. Now, after 100 pages of nonsense and blasting anyone and everyone who suggested Wilson was anything less than an elite RB, they're still engaged in an online circle jerk. Only now it's about the magnitude of the train wreck they bought into and created. I find it hugely amusing. CHOO m effing CHOO indeed.

You're not simply disagreeing or pointing to facts and reasons why you think he doesn't have the talent to be a top tier RB in this league, you're just circle jerking with yourself and saying "Told you so". Not all of us here are sitting here talking about how we think he's a he's a great talent in hopes of him bringing our fantasy teams to a championship this year. I'm a Giants fan and think this guy is the best RB the Giants have had in a long time. Stop being a troll. All you're doing is coming in here and laughing and pointing fingers. You offer nothing. Nobody wants you here. Just don't come back.

I want him here. How come B. Jacobs and P. Hillis outperform Wilson when given A chance?

You do realize that Jacobs had a huge game vs PHI? (Who has made everyone look like a 100 yrd rusher.) (In that game Wilson had 16 yrds on just a few carries and a TD already.) And Hillis played vs MIN. (The same MIN Def that made Pitt and its swiss cheese O'line look good with Leveon Bell and his 80 yds and 2 TD's) I think we need to have some perspective. Who they are playing has a lot to do with how players look. MIN and PHI are making a lot of RB's look pretty sweet. I wouldn't put too much stock in that.

the delusions continue.

Hilarious that you bask PHI's defense for being so horrible against the run but ignore the fact that your boy, David Wilson, averaged 2.7 YPC against them. Swiss cheese against everyone except for him I guess, right? When Wilson is in the backfield, all of the sudden they're a run-stuffing defense.

This is such a stupid way to look at it and here is why.

Jamaal Charles first 7 runs against Philly went for 15 yards

Alfred Morris first 7 runs against Philly went for 21 yards.

Doug Martin first 7 runs against Philly went for 23 yards.

I guess all these guys suck too, go troll else where.

agreed.... Trolls come out to talk on David Wilson threads.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

GM Jerry Reese said the Giants will "make some decisions" on David Wilson (neck) early next week.
Wilson's herniated disc and spinal stenosis will be re-evaluated by doctors. "I'm not a doctor so I don't want to stand up here and say something is career-threatening," Reese said. "But anytime you have a situation with your neck and your spine, those are some serious things that you need to take into consideration." It sounds like season-ending injured reserve is a possibility.

Source: New York Daily News

 

[monk]

Rotoworld:

GM Jerry Reese said the Giants will "make some decisions" on David Wilson (neck) early next week.
Wilson's herniated disc and spinal stenosis will be re-evaluated by doctors. "I'm not a doctor so I don't want to stand up here and say something is career-threatening," Reese said. "But anytime you have a situation with your neck and your spine, those are some serious things that you need to take into consideration." It sounds like season-ending injured reserve is a possibility.

Source: New York Daily News

Wilson neck has improved but he still has not been cleared to play

https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/397468028289290240

 

[jacobo_moses]

Dan Graziano ‏@DanGrazianoESPN8m
What it means on David Wilson is his season is not officially over, but that he likely can't be back until December earliest.

 

[mbrasi]

Dan Graziano ‏@DanGrazianoESPN8m
What it means on David Wilson is his season is not officially over, but that he likely can't be back until December earliest.

Well I was holding onto him under the delusion that he may come back to help with playoffs but I don't know if I should waste the roster space.

Do we give up hope and drop at this point? Bust of the year award?

 

[Cheesedawg]

Dan Graziano ‏@DanGrazianoESPN8m
What it means on David Wilson is his season is not officially over, but that he likely can't be back until December earliest.

Well I was holding onto him under the delusion that he may come back to help with playoffs but I don't know if I should waste the roster space.

Do we give up hope and drop at this point? Bust of the year award?

I'm going to wait a few more days and see if they IR him to make room for Andre Brown, which I imagine is a distinct possibility. I can keep Wilson for the '14 season (though I'm doubting that I would in a 3-keeper league) so I can reserve him if he goes to IR. In a re-draft, I can't imagine why you would possibly hold onto him any longer. If you cut him, who would pick him up in the next few weeks?

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Dan Graziano ‏@DanGrazianoESPN8m
What it means on David Wilson is his season is not officially over, but that he likely can't be back until December earliest.

Do we give up hope and drop at this point? Bust of the year award?

Considering 2 guys fresh off the street (Hillis/Jacobs) started 3 games combined & scored more in each contest (PPR) than Wilson did in any game this year should tell you quite a bit

Jacobs scored more in his 1 start than Wilson did TOTAL through 5 weeks. Hillis almost did likewise (in his 1st start)...

 

[Loan Sharks]

Dan Graziano ‏@DanGrazianoESPN8m
What it means on David Wilson is his season is not officially over, but that he likely can't be back until December earliest.

His season isn't over?? Chooooooo Choooo!

 

[JAMES!]

I did a back flip when I heard this news.

 

[Irish Chaos]

I did a back flip when I heard this news.

I see what you did there. hehe. The thread that keeps on giving.

 

[JAMES!]

Officially placed on IR.

I still believe though. Starting him anyway.

 

[RushHour]

Anyone still on board for next year?

 

[snitwitch]

Anyone still on board for next year?

I have a FAAB bid in to replace him with the Bills defense. I could keep him next year for $30 ($250 cap) but have decided against it..

 

[None_More_Black]

At least he won us a few games when he was healthy.

 

[Eminence]

Glad I dumped this fool for Cordarelle Patterson before the season started.

 

[LususV]

Anyone still on board for next year?

I'm buying in dynasty. He'll still be younger than some of the guys drafted in the 1st round of fantasy drafts, and barring another early pick being used on RB, will be given a shot to be the starter.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

how much do you want to bet he breaks a 50 yd td in the first 5 min and then gets knocked out for the year?

ok, I was wrong about the 50 yd run

.... and probably the other part about getting knocked out for the year too.

 

[az_prof]

Is anyone left on this bandwagon?

 

[netnalp]

Is anyone left on this bandwagon?

2014 Choo! Choo!

 

[Run It Up]

Is anyone left on this bandwagon?

I just showed up, the Wilson owner in my 40 man dynasty league dropped him and I somehow won him for only 30% of my FAAB budget.

 

[Boone22]

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports doctors have informed David Wilson that he faces increased risk of re-injuring his neck if he plays football again.

Wilson fully expects and intends to play next season. He was placed on injured reserve this past week after he suffered a herniated disk in his neck against the Eagles in Week 5. Wilson is expected to avoid surgery but that's uncertain until he's reevaluated again in "several weeks." Wilson's neck is obviously a long-term concern for the Giants and fantasy owners. We'll be updating him as more information comes to light over the next few months.

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter Nov 10 - 11:05 AM

 

[Andrew74]

Wow, it's actually getting worse.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Somebody should just delete this thread, and most of you can pretend it never happened

 

[Loan Sharks]

Somebody should just delete this thread, and most of you can pretend it never happened

As a documented Wilson hater I love this thread. CHOO CHOOO!

 

[amnesiac]

just got Fred Jackson and a second round pick for Wilson.

 

[RushHour]

The legend of David Wilson will never die. Never.

 

[Eminence]

 

[FlapJacks]

wow, what bad luck that the NYG line got good after Wilson got hurt...

 

[msudaisy26]

wow, what bad luck that the NYG line got good after Wilson got hurt...

Wilson was horrible this year but I fail to see how 38 attempts for 133 and a 3.5 average is good, even if you just use Brown at 30 for 115 for 3.8 sucks too.

Against Philly 31 for 88 2.8 average

Against Minnesota 32 for 64 2.0 average

Against Chicago 26 for 123 4.7 average a very nice game

Against Philly when he got injured taking out his 7 for 18 you get 17 for 35 for a 2.1 average

The only difference is most of the work is going to one person. Quit looking at the fantasy stats and act like that line is just rolling people over.

 

[Insein]

Almost as bad as Kevan Barlow except he was going in the first.

 

[FlapJacks]

Almost as bad as Kevan Barlow except he was going in the first.

and Kevin Jones and Curtis Enis...

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Almost as bad as Kevan Barlow except he was going in the first.

Barlow was actually productive once though

 

[Insein]

Almost as bad as Kevan Barlow except he was going in the first.

Barlow was actually productive once though

True

 

[T with T]

Here peep this I think I found Our friend Dave Wilson no pun intended. Are these guys related or are they good at putting up fronts.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread981785/pg1

 

[ShaHBucks]

If Brown didn't get hurt he my have been a top-10 back after this. Wilson is lucky

haha funny one when has Brown stayed healthy long enough to be a full time back and a top 10 back at that???? haha these posts crack me up. 6 different teams and 80 career carries with nothing that really sets him apart from anyone. Brown is an avg back at best with below avg durability. Wilson has no durability questions, can run, catch and block decently, although the missed block was cause for concern, I think it was first game jitters not to mention they went first two series of the game without a run which I thought was awkward and weird. anyways. Just had to post something on that one that caught my eye.

The last laugh >

 

[Cheesedawg]

If Brown didn't get hurt he my have been a top-10 back after this. Wilson is lucky

haha funny one when has Brown stayed healthy long enough to be a full time back and a top 10 back at that???? haha these posts crack me up. 6 different teams and 80 career carries with nothing that really sets him apart from anyone. Brown is an avg back at best with below avg durability. Wilson has no durability questions, can run, catch and block decently, although the missed block was cause for concern, I think it was first game jitters not to mention they went first two series of the game without a run which I thought was awkward and weird. anyways. Just had to post something on that one that caught my eye.

The last laugh >

...is yet to come in this series. But nice try.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Non-David Wilson starting weeks: (will vary upon scoring system)

PPR: [Overall weekly finishes]

Week 6: Jacobs RB5

Week 7: Hillis RB8

Week 8: Hillis RB22

Week 10: Brown RB8

Week 11: Brown RB24

Week 12: Brown RB7 (pending tonight's game)

Wilson's overall finishes: RB32 Weeks 4&5. Finished RB59 Week 3, RB60 Week 2, & was the only negative point RB in football Week 1.

Wilson definitely has to be a contender for fantasy bust of all time. He was god awful when healthy & his backup, his backup's backup and & backup's backup backup (2 of which were fresh off the street) have all put up RB#1 weeks. And in 4 of the 6 weeks he's been gone, his replacement has had put up RB#1 numbers. [With none of them being worse than RB24 overall for any one week]

Unreal.

 

[steveski]

Non-David Wilson starting weeks: (will vary upon scoring system)

PPR: [Overall weekly finishes]

Week 6: Jacobs RB5

Week 7: Hillis RB8

Week 8: Hillis RB22

Week 10: Brown RB8

Week 11: Brown RB24

Week 12: Brown RB7 (pending tonight's game)

Wilson's overall finishes: RB32 Weeks 4&5. Finished RB59 Week 3, RB60 Week 2, & was the only negative point RB in football Week 1.

Wilson definitely has to be a contender for fantasy bust of all time. He was god awful when healthy & his backup, his backup's backup and & backup's backup backup (2 of which were fresh off the street) have all put up RB#1 weeks. And in 4 of the 6 weeks he's been gone, his replacement has had put up RB#1 numbers. [With none of them being worse than RB24 overall for any one week]

Unreal.

The Giants offensive line was beat up and a rookie trying to get up to speed early in the season. On top of that, this was their schedule:

1) @ DAL. Wilson was benched after a fumble. Didn't see the field again. Hard to judge how good a player is from this game. (Scott was the leading rusher with 23 yards)

2) vs DEN. Game was ugly fast. Shootout.

3) @ CAR. In Carolina....

4) @ KC. In Kansas City....

5) v PHI. Scored a TD and got injured early in the game. Only had 6 carries.

Now onto the Jacobs/Hillis/Brown era:

6) @ CHI. 8th worst run defense

7) v MIN. 5th worst run defense (and Freeman at QB)

8) @ PHI. 13th worst run defense (Barkley at QB)

10) v OAK 15th worst run defense (

11) v GB. 16th worst run defense (Tolzien at QB)

12) v DAL. 1st worst run defense

But you're right. It's much easier to cherry pick fantasy points without looking a little deeper into where the numbers come from right?

 

[MoveToSkypager]

So is this guy's career over? What's up with his neck? Anyone think his neck problem is why he's always fumbling the ball? If they are related, maybe he can have a good career (if he gets his neck fixed). More info would be great.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

Non-David Wilson starting weeks: (will vary upon scoring system)

PPR: [Overall weekly finishes]

Week 6: Jacobs RB5

Week 7: Hillis RB8

Week 8: Hillis RB22

Week 10: Brown RB8

Week 11: Brown RB24

Week 12: Brown RB7 (pending tonight's game)

Wilson's overall finishes: RB32 Weeks 4&5. Finished RB59 Week 3, RB60 Week 2, & was the only negative point RB in football Week 1.

Wilson definitely has to be a contender for fantasy bust of all time. He was god awful when healthy & his backup, his backup's backup and & backup's backup backup (2 of which were fresh off the street) have all put up RB#1 weeks. And in 4 of the 6 weeks he's been gone, his replacement has had put up RB#1 numbers. [With none of them being worse than RB24 overall for any one week]

Unreal.

I've enjoyed the Jacobs/Hillis/Brown ride

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

Non-David Wilson starting weeks: (will vary upon scoring system)

PPR: [Overall weekly finishes]

Week 6: Jacobs RB5

Week 7: Hillis RB8

Week 8: Hillis RB22

Week 10: Brown RB8

Week 11: Brown RB24

Week 12: Brown RB7 (pending tonight's game)

Wilson's overall finishes: RB32 Weeks 4&5. Finished RB59 Week 3, RB60 Week 2, & was the only negative point RB in football Week 1.

Wilson definitely has to be a contender for fantasy bust of all time. He was god awful when healthy & his backup, his backup's backup and & backup's backup backup (2 of which were fresh off the street) have all put up RB#1 weeks. And in 4 of the 6 weeks he's been gone, his replacement has had put up RB#1 numbers. [With none of them being worse than RB24 overall for any one week]

Unreal.

The Giants offensive line was beat up and a rookie trying to get up to speed early in the season. On top of that, this was their schedule:

And....and....and what else?

 

[TheFanatic]

Still on board. But I have him in a contract dynasty league, so if I cut him I still have to pay him. His contract for 2014 is $1 million of a $32 million cap. I don't have to rely on the guy, so I have the luxury of being on board and yet having little invested.

 

[steveski]

Non-David Wilson starting weeks: (will vary upon scoring system)

PPR: [Overall weekly finishes]

Week 6: Jacobs RB5

Week 7: Hillis RB8

Week 8: Hillis RB22

Week 10: Brown RB8

Week 11: Brown RB24

Week 12: Brown RB7 (pending tonight's game)

Wilson's overall finishes: RB32 Weeks 4&5. Finished RB59 Week 3, RB60 Week 2, & was the only negative point RB in football Week 1.

Wilson definitely has to be a contender for fantasy bust of all time. He was god awful when healthy & his backup, his backup's backup and & backup's backup backup (2 of which were fresh off the street) have all put up RB#1 weeks. And in 4 of the 6 weeks he's been gone, his replacement has had put up RB#1 numbers. [With none of them being worse than RB24 overall for any one week]

Unreal.

The Giants offensive line was beat up and a rookie trying to get up to speed early in the season. On top of that, this was their schedule:

And....and....and what else?

What do you mean what else? I just explained how their schedule earlier in the season was much tougher than it has been the past 5 weeks. Is that really debatable? I'm also a Giants fan and I know more about the offensive line than the general public would. It has been discussed numerous times in here so there is no point in posting it again. What about my statement is wrong/biased/funny, etc? Please try to respond using words instead of smiley faces.

If you think Hillis or Jacobs is a better RB than David Wilson, please say it.

 

[Nero]

I was a big Wilson supporter. I drafted him ahead of Doug Martin (wish I could take that back). I sold him for McFadden who promptly went out and sprained his ######. There is no doubt he is one of the most physically gifted running backs in the league. The patience and the instincts just aren't there. You can't continue to blame the O-line, when inferior athletes are able to perform behind the same line. Pierre Thomas, Fred Jackson, Donald Brown, Rashad Jennings and Andre Brown are living proof.

Andre Brown is a better RB than David Wilson!

 

[steveski]

I was a big Wilson supporter. I drafted him ahead of Doug Martin (wish I could take that back). I sold him for McFadden who promptly went out and sprained his ######. There is no doubt he is one of the most physically gifted running backs in the league. The patience and the instincts just aren't there. You can't continue to blame the O-line, when inferior athletes are able to perform behind the same line. Pierre Thomas, Fred Jackson, Donald Brown, Rashad Jennings and Andre Brown are living proof.

Andre Brown is a better RB than David Wilson!

Andre Brown being better than Wilson is an argument that can be made. It's the people in here that just look at a person fantasy points for the week and then come here and post smileys and say "TOLD YOU SO" and say that Hillis and Jacobs are better than Wilson that need to take a hike.

Here's a quick article that I found from over a month ago about the Giants offensive line and how it has NOT been the same: http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/31509/o-line-a-work-in-progress

I could probably find something better but I don't have the time or patience to keep doing this over and over again in this thread. Even if the offensive line has been the same every single game (it hasn't), the teams they are playing against are a lot different. Their opponents the first 4 weeks were much harder than the last 6.

If people want to say that Wilson sucks, then feel free, but please give me a reason other than "Look what Hillis and Jacobs did!!"

 

[DoubleG]

Non-David Wilson starting weeks: (will vary upon scoring system)

PPR: [Overall weekly finishes]

Week 6: Jacobs RB5

Week 7: Hillis RB8

Week 8: Hillis RB22

Week 10: Brown RB8

Week 11: Brown RB24

Week 12: Brown RB7 (pending tonight's game)

Wilson's overall finishes: RB32 Weeks 4&5. Finished RB59 Week 3, RB60 Week 2, & was the only negative point RB in football Week 1.

Wilson definitely has to be a contender for fantasy bust of all time. He was god awful when healthy & his backup, his backup's backup and & backup's backup backup (2 of which were fresh off the street) have all put up RB#1 weeks. And in 4 of the 6 weeks he's been gone, his replacement has had put up RB#1 numbers. [With none of them being worse than RB24 overall for any one week]

Unreal.

The Giants offensive line was beat up and a rookie trying to get up to speed early in the season. On top of that, this was their schedule:

1) @ DAL. Wilson was benched after a fumble. Didn't see the field again. Hard to judge how good a player is from this game. (Scott was the leading rusher with 23 yards)

2) vs DEN. Game was ugly fast. Shootout.

3) @ CAR. In Carolina....

4) @ KC. In Kansas City....

5) v PHI. Scored a TD and got injured early in the game. Only had 6 carries.

Now onto the Jacobs/Hillis/Brown era:

6) @ CHI. 8th worst run defense

7) v MIN. 5th worst run defense (and Freeman at QB)

8) @ PHI. 13th worst run defense (Barkley at QB)

10) v OAK 15th worst run defense (

11) v GB. 16th worst run defense (Tolzien at QB)

12) v DAL. 1st worst run defense

But you're right. It's much easier to cherry pick fantasy points without looking a little deeper into where the numbers come from right?

Four things that are wrong with this post:

1) Wilson is not a rookie. This is his 2nd year.

2) You complain about cherry picking - then do the exact same thing. When Wilson underperformed, you provided the convenient "reason" (read: excuse) for why he did.

3) Two of the teams you pointed to as part of Wilson's "tough matchups" are also in your second set of numbers. You can't have it both ways - either they are tough matchups or they aren't.

4) There are 32 teams in the NFL. Saying a team is "16th worst" against the rush is the same as saying "16th best". You also (going back to the cherry picking argument) conveniently leave out of your first half of the schedule that KC's run defense is also not that great at "13th worst".

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Non-David Wilson starting weeks: (will vary upon scoring system)

PPR: [Overall weekly finishes]

Week 6: Jacobs RB5

Week 7: Hillis RB8

Week 8: Hillis RB22

Week 10: Brown RB8

Week 11: Brown RB24

Week 12: Brown RB7 (pending tonight's game)

Wilson's overall finishes: RB32 Weeks 4&5. Finished RB59 Week 3, RB60 Week 2, & was the only negative point RB in football Week 1.

Wilson definitely has to be a contender for fantasy bust of all time. He was god awful when healthy & his backup, his backup's backup and & backup's backup backup (2 of which were fresh off the street) have all put up RB#1 weeks. And in 4 of the 6 weeks he's been gone, his replacement has had put up RB#1 numbers. [With none of them being worse than RB24 overall for any one week]

Unreal.

The Giants offensive line was beat up and a rookie trying to get up to speed early in the season. On top of that, this was their schedule:

1) @ DAL. Wilson was benched after a fumble. Didn't see the field again. Hard to judge how good a player is from this game. (Scott was the leading rusher with 23 yards)

2) vs DEN. Game was ugly fast. Shootout.

3) @ CAR. In Carolina....

4) @ KC. In Kansas City....

5) v PHI. Scored a TD and got injured early in the game. Only had 6 carries.

Now onto the Jacobs/Hillis/Brown era:

6) @ CHI. 8th worst run defense

7) v MIN. 5th worst run defense (and Freeman at QB)

8) @ PHI. 13th worst run defense (Barkley at QB)

10) v OAK 15th worst run defense (

11) v GB. 16th worst run defense (Tolzien at QB)

12) v DAL. 1st worst run defense

But you're right. It's much easier to cherry pick fantasy points without looking a little deeper into where the numbers come from right?

Fumbling and being a candy ### against the worst running defense in the league is not a good defense.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

If you think Hillis or Jacobs is a better RB than David Wilson, please say it.

They sure as hell are this year.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

I was a big Wilson supporter. I drafted him ahead of Doug Martin (wish I could take that back). I sold him for McFadden who promptly went out and sprained his ######. There is no doubt he is one of the most physically gifted running backs in the league. The patience and the instincts just aren't there. You can't continue to blame the O-line, when inferior athletes are able to perform behind the same line. Pierre Thomas, Fred Jackson, Donald Brown, Rashad Jennings and Andre Brown are living proof.

Andre Brown is a better RB than David Wilson!

It's the people in here that just look at a person fantasy points for the week

Imagine that.

On a fantasy football board.

 

[steveski]

Non-David Wilson starting weeks: (will vary upon scoring system)

PPR: [Overall weekly finishes]

Week 6: Jacobs RB5

Week 7: Hillis RB8

Week 8: Hillis RB22

Week 10: Brown RB8

Week 11: Brown RB24

Week 12: Brown RB7 (pending tonight's game)

Wilson's overall finishes: RB32 Weeks 4&5. Finished RB59 Week 3, RB60 Week 2, & was the only negative point RB in football Week 1.

Wilson definitely has to be a contender for fantasy bust of all time. He was god awful when healthy & his backup, his backup's backup and & backup's backup backup (2 of which were fresh off the street) have all put up RB#1 weeks. And in 4 of the 6 weeks he's been gone, his replacement has had put up RB#1 numbers. [With none of them being worse than RB24 overall for any one week]

Unreal.

The Giants offensive line was beat up and a rookie trying to get up to speed early in the season. On top of that, this was their schedule:

1) @ DAL. Wilson was benched after a fumble. Didn't see the field again. Hard to judge how good a player is from this game. (Scott was the leading rusher with 23 yards)

2) vs DEN. Game was ugly fast. Shootout.

3) @ CAR. In Carolina....

4) @ KC. In Kansas City....

5) v PHI. Scored a TD and got injured early in the game. Only had 6 carries.

Now onto the Jacobs/Hillis/Brown era:

6) @ CHI. 8th worst run defense

7) v MIN. 5th worst run defense (and Freeman at QB)

8) @ PHI. 13th worst run defense (Barkley at QB)

10) v OAK 15th worst run defense (

11) v GB. 16th worst run defense (Tolzien at QB)

12) v DAL. 1st worst run defense

But you're right. It's much easier to cherry pick fantasy points without looking a little deeper into where the numbers come from right?

Four things that are wrong with this post:

1) Wilson is not a rookie. This is his 2nd year.

2) You complain about cherry picking - then do the exact same thing. When Wilson underperformed, you provided the convenient "reason" (read: excuse) for why he did.

3) Two of the teams you pointed to as part of Wilson's "tough matchups" are also in your second set of numbers. You can't have it both ways - either they are tough matchups or they aren't.

4) There are 32 teams in the NFL. Saying a team is "16th worst" against the rush is the same as saying "16th best". You also (going back to the cherry picking argument) conveniently leave out of your first half of the schedule that KC's run defense is also not that great at "13th worst".

1) When did I say he was a rookie? I know he's not a rookie. He finished last year really strong, so he has shown he can perform at a NFL level. If anything, this proves my point even more.

2) I guess cherry picking was the wrong term. What I meant is to look a little deeper into the stats and not just what's on the surface. Why did he do so poorly running the ball? Is it because he sucks or is something else going on? Why didn't he suck at the end of last year? Is it more likely that he lost talent this year or that something else was going on?

3) The two that are in both are Dallas and Philly. Neither are tough matchups. Wilson fumbled early in the Dallas game and was put in the dog house. Yeah, that sucks, but I don't think that game really helps in figuring out how good of a player he is. I don't think people are saying Ridley is worse than Jacobs and Hillis.

4) 16th worst or 16th best. Say whichever you want, it doesn't matter. The point is that the toughest rushing matchup they had wasn't a tough matchup.