***David Wilson Bandwagon*** (3 Viewers)

[monk]

Wilson is still only 22 and will have just turned 23 when next season starts.

He is younger than most of this years Rookie RBs (Lacy, Ball, C.Michael, Ellington and teammate M.Cox, to name a few) and will likely be younger than quite a few of the 2014 rookie RBs.

Here are the youngest RBs in the NFL in age order (Wilson has the highest ypc and most tds per touch of the group)

1. Bell, Le'Veon - 21
2. Randle, Joseph - 22
3. Hillman, Ronnie - 22
4. Bernard, Giovani - 22
5. Lattimore, Marcus - 22
6. Davis, Knile - 22
7. Wilson, David - 22

By the way … NYC RB Savior Andre Brown who will be 28 next season finished the season with 3 tds , 3.5 ypc and 3 fumbles.

Over his last 3 games – 40 Carries for 68 yds or 1.7 ypc, 0 tds and 2 fumbles … Wow!!!!

Makes Wilson Look Like AP!!!!!!

 

[steveski]

General Manager Jerry Reese revealed Wilson will, in fact, undergo offseason neck surgery — a surgery that the team's medical staff believes will allow Wilson to play in 2014.​

http://www.sportsmedia101.com/newyorkgiants/2014/01/09/new-york-giants-david-wilson-will-have-offseason-neck-surgery-team-expects-him-back-in-2014/

 

[BeTheMatch]

Pretty sad when having neck surgery is the best news we've had in a while.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

David Wilson's neck surgery will take place on January 16.

That's next Thursday. Per the New York Daily News, Wilson will have a "fusion of the vertebrae" to repair his herniated disc. It's not unprecedented for an NFL running back, but is a serious operation. GM Jerry Reese has only said he expects Wilson to be ready for the "fall." He'll almost certainly miss the Giants' entire offseason program, and is highly questionable for training camp. Dynasty league owners can't count on having Wilson for Week 1.


Source: Ralph Vacchiano on Twitter

 

[B-Deep]

schefty thinks there is a chance this is it

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter3m
Giants announced that former first-round pick, RB David Wilson, will undergo neck surgery and his football future is uncertain.

it would be sad if one of the most elite talents ever to play running back had to retire because of this

his legend will live on forever though. He's like Gayle Sayers or Bo Jackson, only better, and possibly with a shorter career.

WHY GOD WHY?!?!?!?!?!

WHY MUST THE BRIGHTEST ONES FLAME OUT SO FAST!!!!!!

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Giants GM Jerry Reese won't guarantee that David Wilson (neck surgery) will be ready for 2014.
"I don’t think so," Reese said when asked if the Giants could count on Wilson's health for next season. "No. 1: We just want David to get healthy. If he gets healthy, that’s a bonus. But I don’t think we can go into next season saying ‘David will be ready to go. He’ll be our No. 1 back.’ Necks can be tricky. You have to be careful with those things." Reese had previously suggested Wilson could be ready for the "fall" even if he went under the knife. We're unlikely to get a great sense of Wilson's status before training camp.

Source: New York Daily News

 

[Andrew74]

He's an albatross on my dynasty now. I hope he does what's best for himself.

 

[Eminence]

Traded him for Patterson before the start of last season, laughing my ### off all the way to the bank.

 

[Touchdown There]

Traded him for Patterson before the start of last season, laughing my ### off all the way to the bank.

Hmmm. Let me know when the Vikings trade for Aaron Rodgers and Adrian Peterson retires. Until then you have a #4 wr that will blow up some weeks, but you will never know when those weeks will be. This makes him wasted roster space on your fantasy team, unless you play best ball style, and I really like Patterson as a talent.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Traded him for Patterson before the start of last season, laughing my ### off all the way to the bank.

Hmmm. Let me know when the Vikings trade for Aaron Rodgers and Adrian Peterson retires. Until then you have a #4 wr that will blow up some weeks, but you will never know when those weeks will be. This makes him wasted roster space on your fantasy team, unless you play best ball style, and I really like Patterson as a talent.

Doesn't matter. He can flip him right now for ten times what Wilson's worth. That's what counts in January.

 

[Yenrub]

Traded him for Patterson before the start of last season, laughing my ### off all the way to the bank.

Hmmm. Let me know when the Vikings trade for Aaron Rodgers and Adrian Peterson retires. Until then you have a #4 wr that will blow up some weeks, but you will never know when those weeks will be. This makes him wasted roster space on your fantasy team, unless you play best ball style, and I really like Patterson as a talent.

#4 WR? I guess it depends on the league scoring

I play in 4 leagues all with different scoring systems

This is how he finished in those leagues

#20 WR

#39 WR

#2 WR (TD heavy - return league)

#15 WR

 

[Steed]

The last rb I remember getting a neck procedure was Steve slaton. Not sure if his was a vert fusion, but I think so. I wonder if Wilson's fumbling was due to this. Leading upto slaton's surgery he lost feeling in his fingers.

 

[CoachJankySpanky]

Traded him for Patterson before the start of last season, laughing my ### off all the way to the bank.

There had to be more involved in the deal than that. Wilson was worth quite a bit more at the time. If it was for Patterson straight-up, you sold incredibly low only to get incredibly lucky. I've seen owners who gave up a lot more than that for Wilson.

 

[Agent575]

Traded him for Patterson before the start of last season, laughing my ### off all the way to the bank.

Hmmm. Let me know when the Vikings trade for Aaron Rodgers and Adrian Peterson retires. Until then you have a #4 wr that will blow up some weeks, but you will never know when those weeks will be. This makes him wasted roster space on your fantasy team, unless you play best ball style, and I really like Patterson as a talent.

#4 WR? I guess it depends on the league scoring

I play in 4 leagues all with different scoring systems

This is how he finished in those leagues

#20 WR

#39 WR

#2 WR (TD heavy - return league)

#15 WR

I think he meant in terms of depth chart for the Vikings...not fantasy WR's.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Traded him for Patterson before the start of last season, laughing my ### off all the way to the bank.

Hmmm. Let me know when the Vikings trade for Aaron Rodgers and Adrian Peterson retires. Until then you have a #4 wr that will blow up some weeks, but you will never know when those weeks will be. This makes him wasted roster space on your fantasy team, unless you play best ball style, and I really like Patterson as a talent.

#4 WR? I guess it depends on the league scoring

I play in 4 leagues all with different scoring systems

This is how he finished in those leagues

#20 WR

#39 WR

#2 WR (TD heavy - return league)

#15 WR

I think he meant in terms of depth chart for the Vikings...not fantasy WR's.

That's wrong too.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I think Wilson having surgery is a good sign. No way he has surgery if he has played his last down. They will fix him and I anticipate he will be terrific value in dynasty leagues. He can be had right now for nothing.

I own Wilson in one league and unfortunately I just can't spin neck surgery into a positive, as you seem to be able to do.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Traded him for Patterson before the start of last season, laughing my ### off all the way to the bank.

Hmmm. Let me know when the Vikings trade for Aaron Rodgers and Adrian Peterson retires. Until then you have a #4 wr that will blow up some weeks, but you will never know when those weeks will be. This makes him wasted roster space on your fantasy team, unless you play best ball style, and I really like Patterson as a talent.

Patterson is a waste of a roster space in a dynasty league?

 

[zamboni]

I think Wilson having surgery is a good sign. No way he has surgery if he has played his last down. They will fix him and I anticipate he will be terrific value in dynasty leagues. He can be had right now for nothing.

I own Wilson in one league and unfortunately I just can't spin neck surgery into a positive, as you seem to be able to do.

Agreed. I can't see any positive other than that the poor guy - at least now - doesn't have to retire. From from a fantasy standpoint, even the most optimistic owner of Wilson has to be moving on from what could have been.

 

[Eminence]

Traded him for Patterson before the start of last season, laughing my ### off all the way to the bank.

There had to be more involved in the deal than that. Wilson was worth quite a bit more at the time. If it was for Patterson straight-up, you sold incredibly low only to get incredibly lucky. I've seen owners who gave up a lot more than that for Wilson.

I wouldn't say I got lucky, one player was clearly more talented than another so I made the swap.

I tried dealing him for more but found no takers. Some dude drafted Patterson #6 overall so I sent the offer over 5 minutes later and got my guy.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

I think Wilson having surgery is a good sign. No way he has surgery if he has played his last down. They will fix him and I anticipate he will be terrific value in dynasty leagues. He can be had right now for nothing.

I can't blame you from doing your best pump n dump, but that stuff just doesn't work.

 

[Concept Coop]

Hmmm. Let me know when the Vikings trade for Aaron Rodgers and Adrian Peterson retires. Until then you have a #4 wr that will blow up some weeks, but you will never know when those weeks will be. This makes him wasted roster space on your fantasy team, unless you play best ball style, and I really like Patterson as a talent.

 

[menobrown]

I think Wilson having surgery is a good sign. No way he has surgery if he has played his last down. They will fix him and I anticipate he will be terrific value in dynasty leagues. He can be had right now for nothing.

I own Wilson in one league and unfortunately I just can't spin neck surgery into a positive, as you seem to be able to do.

Agreed. I can't see any positive other than that the poor guy - at least now - doesn't have to retire. From from a fantasy standpoint, even the most optimistic owner of Wilson has to be moving on from what could have been.

I thought this was a really informative article on the issue. The article pertains to Finley but it's really pertinent to this type of injury. My take away from the article was that if you suffer from a spinal injury it's not a freak occurrence. Something is structurally wrong, the surgeon mentions 4 items that cause this and says that even if surgery was not recommended he'd be afraid it was because something was missed.

My interpretation of that is you have a spinal injury it means something is structurally wrong which means the only way you would likely ever have a chance to correct the issue and play again is if you actually have surgery. It's just not going to heal with time.

Maybe you can interpret this different or don't care for this guys medical opinion but I'm in the camp who actually thinks him getting surgery is a good thing in the sense it was his only way to try and return. I think Reese intimated as much a few weeks ago when he said he thought doctors could fix this if Wilson wanted to have the surgery. The "if he wants to" part indicates to me he was likely told surgery was not necessary to live a normal life outside the NFL but it was his only option if he wanted to return.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/return-of-jermichael-finley-unlikely-without-surgery-b99126233z1-228880141.html

 

[Touchdown There]

Traded him for Patterson before the start of last season, laughing my ### off all the way to the bank.

Hmmm. Let me know when the Vikings trade for Aaron Rodgers and Adrian Peterson retires. Until then you have a #4 wr that will blow up some weeks, but you will never know when those weeks will be. This makes him wasted roster space on your fantasy team, unless you play best ball style, and I really like Patterson as a talent.

#4 WR? I guess it depends on the league scoring

I play in 4 leagues all with different scoring systems

This is how he finished in those leagues

#20 WR

#39 WR

#2 WR (TD heavy - return league)

#15 WR

I don't think so. Let's talk normal numbers in a standard 1 PPR dynasty league. Congrats to his WR48 finish, just behind Marlon Brown and one point ahead of Boykin. I will take any of the Packer's top 3 wide receivers before Patterson. See my original logic.

WR Rank	Overall	Player	Points1	7	Gordon, Josh CLE WR	3262	9	Thomas, Demaryius DEN WR	3243	11	Green, A.J. CIN WR	3134	12	Johnson, Calvin DET WR	3135	14	Brown, Antonio PIT WR	3116	15	Marshall, Brandon CHI WR	3107	19	Bryant, Dez DAL WR	2978	21	Jeffery, Alshon CHI WR	2919	23	Decker, Eric DEN WR	28610	24	Johnson, Andre HOU WR	28411	29	Garcon, Pierre WAS WR	27912	31	Jackson, DeSean PHI WR	27413	34	Nelson, Jordy GBP WR	26814	39	Edelman, Julian NEP WR	25015	41	Boldin, Anquan SFO WR	24416	44	Jackson, Vincent TBB WR	24217	49	Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR	23418	52	Allen, Keenan SDC WR (R)	22619	53	Hilton, T.Y. IND WR	22520	63	Wright, Kendall TEN WR	21121	69	Welker, Wes DEN WR	20522	70	Douglas, Harry ATL WR	20123	71	Smith, Torrey BAL WR	20124	72	Floyd, Michael ARI WR	20025	75	Cruz, Victor NYG WR	19826	76	Wallace, Mike MIA WR	19827	77	Colston, Marques NOS WR	19728	78	Hartline, Brian MIA WR	19729	90	Cooper, Riley PHI WR	18130	91	Jones, Marvin CIN WR	18131	92	Tate, Golden SEA WR	18132	102	Sanders, Emmanuel PIT WR	17133	107	Streater, Rod OAK WR	16834	108	Washington, Nate TEN WR	16835	109	Jennings, Greg MIN WR	16736	115	Cotchery, Jerricho PIT WR	16237	116	Shorts, Cecil JAC WR	16138	120	Smith, Steve CAR WR	15839	125	Jones, James GBP WR	15640	130	Royal, Eddie SDC WR	15341	132	Baldwin, Doug SEA WR	15142	134	White, Roddy ATL WR	15143	137	Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR	14744	140	Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR	14645	145	Williams, Terrance DAL WR (R)	14646	148	Moore, Denarius OAK WR	14347	149	Brown, Marlon BAL WR (R)	14248	150	Patterson, Cordarrelle MIN WR (R)	14249	151	Boykin, Jarrett GBP WR	141

 

[Touchdown There]

Hmmm. Let me know when the Vikings trade for Aaron Rodgers and Adrian Peterson retires. Until then you have a #4 wr that will blow up some weeks, but you will never know when those weeks will be. This makes him wasted roster space on your fantasy team, unless you play best ball style, and I really like Patterson as a talent.

You must be smacking your forehead. Look at the results above.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Traded him for Patterson before the start of last season, laughing my ### off all the way to the bank.

Hmmm. Let me know when the Vikings trade for Aaron Rodgers and Adrian Peterson retires. Until then you have a #4 wr that will blow up some weeks, but you will never know when those weeks will be. This makes him wasted roster space on your fantasy team, unless you play best ball style, and I really like Patterson as a talent.

#4 WR? I guess it depends on the league scoringI play in 4 leagues all with different scoring systems

This is how he finished in those leagues

#20 WR

#39 WR

#2 WR (TD heavy - return league)

#15 WR

I don't think so. Let's talk normal numbers in a standard 1 PPR dynasty league. Congrats to his WR48 finish, just behind Marlon Brown and one point ahead of Boykin. I will take any of the Packer's top 3 wide receivers before Patterson. See my original logic.

WR Rank Overall Player Points1 7 Gordon, Josh CLE WR 3262 9 Thomas, Demaryius DEN WR 3243 11 Green, A.J. CIN WR 3134 12 Johnson, Calvin DET WR 3135 14 Brown, Antonio PIT WR 3116 15 Marshall, Brandon CHI WR 3107 19 Bryant, Dez DAL WR 2978 21 Jeffery, Alshon CHI WR 2919 23 Decker, Eric DEN WR 28610 24 Johnson, Andre HOU WR 28411 29 Garcon, Pierre WAS WR 27912 31 Jackson, DeSean PHI WR 27413 34 Nelson, Jordy GBP WR 26814 39 Edelman, Julian NEP WR 25015 41 Boldin, Anquan SFO WR 24416 44 Jackson, Vincent TBB WR 24217 49 Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR 23418 52 Allen, Keenan SDC WR (R) 22619 53 Hilton, T.Y. IND WR 22520 63 Wright, Kendall TEN WR 21121 69 Welker, Wes DEN WR 20522 70 Douglas, Harry ATL WR 20123 71 Smith, Torrey BAL WR 20124 72 Floyd, Michael ARI WR 20025 75 Cruz, Victor NYG WR 19826 76 Wallace, Mike MIA WR 19827 77 Colston, Marques NOS WR 19728 78 Hartline, Brian MIA WR 19729 90 Cooper, Riley PHI WR 18130 91 Jones, Marvin CIN WR 18131 92 Tate, Golden SEA WR 18132 102 Sanders, Emmanuel PIT WR 17133 107 Streater, Rod OAK WR 16834 108 Washington, Nate TEN WR 16835 109 Jennings, Greg MIN WR 16736 115 Cotchery, Jerricho PIT WR 16237 116 Shorts, Cecil JAC WR 16138 120 Smith, Steve CAR WR 15839 125 Jones, James GBP WR 15640 130 Royal, Eddie SDC WR 15341 132 Baldwin, Doug SEA WR 15142 134 White, Roddy ATL WR 15143 137 Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR 14744 140 Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR 14645 145 Williams, Terrance DAL WR (R) 14646 148 Moore, Denarius OAK WR 14347 149 Brown, Marlon BAL WR (R) 14248 150 Patterson, Cordarrelle MIN WR (R) 14249 151 Boykin, Jarrett GBP WR 141

No rookie WR has ever improved upon his rookie numbers without a HOF QB.

 

[menobrown]

Traded him for Patterson before the start of last season, laughing my ### off all the way to the bank.

Hmmm. Let me know when the Vikings trade for Aaron Rodgers and Adrian Peterson retires. Until then you have a #4 wr that will blow up some weeks, but you will never know when those weeks will be. This makes him wasted roster space on your fantasy team, unless you play best ball style, and I really like Patterson as a talent.

#4 WR? I guess it depends on the league scoring

I play in 4 leagues all with different scoring systems

This is how he finished in those leagues

#20 WR

#39 WR

#2 WR (TD heavy - return league)

#15 WR

I don't think so. Let's talk normal numbers in a standard 1 PPR dynasty league. Congrats to his WR48 finish, just behind Marlon Brown and one point ahead of Boykin. I will take any of the Packer's top 3 wide receivers before Patterson. See my original logic.

That's not logic. You are presenting a statement of fact on what Patterson was this year.

Many of us would call it illogical to assume that Patterson will never improve and what he was this year is simply what he is. By your method you would be have been calling Calvin Johnson nothing but a WR3 after his rookie year.

 

[zamboni]

At least this thread is finally moving past David Wilson.

 

[Touchdown There]

Traded him for Patterson before the start of last season, laughing my ### off all the way to the bank.

Hmmm. Let me know when the Vikings trade for Aaron Rodgers and Adrian Peterson retires. Until then you have a #4 wr that will blow up some weeks, but you will never know when those weeks will be. This makes him wasted roster space on your fantasy team, unless you play best ball style, and I really like Patterson as a talent.

#4 WR? I guess it depends on the league scoringI play in 4 leagues all with different scoring systems

This is how he finished in those leagues

#20 WR

#39 WR

#2 WR (TD heavy - return league)

#15 WR

I don't think so. Let's talk normal numbers in a standard 1 PPR dynasty league. Congrats to his WR48 finish, just behind Marlon Brown and one point ahead of Boykin. I will take any of the Packer's top 3 wide receivers before Patterson. See my original logic.

WR Rank Overall Player Points1 7 Gordon, Josh CLE WR 3262 9 Thomas, Demaryius DEN WR 3243 11 Green, A.J. CIN WR 3134 12 Johnson, Calvin DET WR 3135 14 Brown, Antonio PIT WR 3116 15 Marshall, Brandon CHI WR 3107 19 Bryant, Dez DAL WR 2978 21 Jeffery, Alshon CHI WR 2919 23 Decker, Eric DEN WR 28610 24 Johnson, Andre HOU WR 28411 29 Garcon, Pierre WAS WR 27912 31 Jackson, DeSean PHI WR 27413 34 Nelson, Jordy GBP WR 26814 39 Edelman, Julian NEP WR 25015 41 Boldin, Anquan SFO WR 24416 44 Jackson, Vincent TBB WR 24217 49 Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR 23418 52 Allen, Keenan SDC WR (R) 22619 53 Hilton, T.Y. IND WR 22520 63 Wright, Kendall TEN WR 21121 69 Welker, Wes DEN WR 20522 70 Douglas, Harry ATL WR 20123 71 Smith, Torrey BAL WR 20124 72 Floyd, Michael ARI WR 20025 75 Cruz, Victor NYG WR 19826 76 Wallace, Mike MIA WR 19827 77 Colston, Marques NOS WR 19728 78 Hartline, Brian MIA WR 19729 90 Cooper, Riley PHI WR 18130 91 Jones, Marvin CIN WR 18131 92 Tate, Golden SEA WR 18132 102 Sanders, Emmanuel PIT WR 17133 107 Streater, Rod OAK WR 16834 108 Washington, Nate TEN WR 16835 109 Jennings, Greg MIN WR 16736 115 Cotchery, Jerricho PIT WR 16237 116 Shorts, Cecil JAC WR 16138 120 Smith, Steve CAR WR 15839 125 Jones, James GBP WR 15640 130 Royal, Eddie SDC WR 15341 132 Baldwin, Doug SEA WR 15142 134 White, Roddy ATL WR 15143 137 Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR 14744 140 Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR 14645 145 Williams, Terrance DAL WR (R) 14646 148 Moore, Denarius OAK WR 14347 149 Brown, Marlon BAL WR (R) 14248 150 Patterson, Cordarrelle MIN WR (R) 14249 151 Boykin, Jarrett GBP WR 141

No rookie WR has ever improved upon his rookie numbers without a HOF QB.

Traded him for Patterson before the start of last season, laughing my ### off all the way to the bank.

Hmmm. Let me know when the Vikings trade for Aaron Rodgers and Adrian Peterson retires. Until then you have a #4 wr that will blow up some weeks, but you will never know when those weeks will be. This makes him wasted roster space on your fantasy team, unless you play best ball style, and I really like Patterson as a talent.

#4 WR? I guess it depends on the league scoring

I play in 4 leagues all with different scoring systems

This is how he finished in those leagues

#20 WR

#39 WR

#2 WR (TD heavy - return league)

#15 WR

I don't think so. Let's talk normal numbers in a standard 1 PPR dynasty league. Congrats to his WR48 finish, just behind Marlon Brown and one point ahead of Boykin. I will take any of the Packer's top 3 wide receivers before Patterson. See my original logic.

That's not logic. You are presenting a statement of fact on what Patterson was this year.

Many of us would call it illogical to assume that Patterson will never improve and what he was this year is simply what he is. By your method you would be have been calling Calvin Johnson nothing but a WR3 after his rookie year.

My logic and statement of fact is that Minnesota QBs suck monkey balls and will do so for the next 2-3 years. I like Patterson.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Traded him for Patterson before the start of last season, laughing my ### off all the way to the bank.

Hmmm. Let me know when the Vikings trade for Aaron Rodgers and Adrian Peterson retires. Until then you have a #4 wr that will blow up some weeks, but you will never know when those weeks will be. This makes him wasted roster space on your fantasy team, unless you play best ball style, and I really like Patterson as a talent.

#4 WR? I guess it depends on the league scoringI play in 4 leagues all with different scoring systems

This is how he finished in those leagues

#20 WR

#39 WR

#2 WR (TD heavy - return league)

#15 WR

I don't think so. Let's talk normal numbers in a standard 1 PPR dynasty league. Congrats to his WR48 finish, just behind Marlon Brown and one point ahead of Boykin. I will take any of the Packer's top 3 wide receivers before Patterson. See my original logic.

WR Rank Overall Player Points1 7 Gordon, Josh CLE WR 3262 9 Thomas, Demaryius DEN WR 3243 11 Green, A.J. CIN WR 3134 12 Johnson, Calvin DET WR 3135 14 Brown, Antonio PIT WR 3116 15 Marshall, Brandon CHI WR 3107 19 Bryant, Dez DAL WR 2978 21 Jeffery, Alshon CHI WR 2919 23 Decker, Eric DEN WR 28610 24 Johnson, Andre HOU WR 28411 29 Garcon, Pierre WAS WR 27912 31 Jackson, DeSean PHI WR 27413 34 Nelson, Jordy GBP WR 26814 39 Edelman, Julian NEP WR 25015 41 Boldin, Anquan SFO WR 24416 44 Jackson, Vincent TBB WR 24217 49 Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR 23418 52 Allen, Keenan SDC WR (R) 22619 53 Hilton, T.Y. IND WR 22520 63 Wright, Kendall TEN WR 21121 69 Welker, Wes DEN WR 20522 70 Douglas, Harry ATL WR 20123 71 Smith, Torrey BAL WR 20124 72 Floyd, Michael ARI WR 20025 75 Cruz, Victor NYG WR 19826 76 Wallace, Mike MIA WR 19827 77 Colston, Marques NOS WR 19728 78 Hartline, Brian MIA WR 19729 90 Cooper, Riley PHI WR 18130 91 Jones, Marvin CIN WR 18131 92 Tate, Golden SEA WR 18132 102 Sanders, Emmanuel PIT WR 17133 107 Streater, Rod OAK WR 16834 108 Washington, Nate TEN WR 16835 109 Jennings, Greg MIN WR 16736 115 Cotchery, Jerricho PIT WR 16237 116 Shorts, Cecil JAC WR 16138 120 Smith, Steve CAR WR 15839 125 Jones, James GBP WR 15640 130 Royal, Eddie SDC WR 15341 132 Baldwin, Doug SEA WR 15142 134 White, Roddy ATL WR 15143 137 Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR 14744 140 Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR 14645 145 Williams, Terrance DAL WR (R) 14646 148 Moore, Denarius OAK WR 14347 149 Brown, Marlon BAL WR (R) 14248 150 Patterson, Cordarrelle MIN WR (R) 14249 151 Boykin, Jarrett GBP WR 141

No rookie WR has ever improved upon his rookie numbers without a HOF QB.

Traded him for Patterson before the start of last season, laughing my ### off all the way to the bank.

Hmmm. Let me know when the Vikings trade for Aaron Rodgers and Adrian Peterson retires. Until then you have a #4 wr that will blow up some weeks, but you will never know when those weeks will be. This makes him wasted roster space on your fantasy team, unless you play best ball style, and I really like Patterson as a talent.

#4 WR? I guess it depends on the league scoring

I play in 4 leagues all with different scoring systems

This is how he finished in those leagues

#20 WR

#39 WR

#2 WR (TD heavy - return league)

#15 WR

I don't think so. Let's talk normal numbers in a standard 1 PPR dynasty league. Congrats to his WR48 finish, just behind Marlon Brown and one point ahead of Boykin. I will take any of the Packer's top 3 wide receivers before Patterson. See my original logic.

That's not logic. You are presenting a statement of fact on what Patterson was this year.

Many of us would call it illogical to assume that Patterson will never improve and what he was this year is simply what he is. By your method you would be have been calling Calvin Johnson nothing but a WR3 after his rookie year.

My logic and statement of fact is that Minnesota QBs suck monkey balls and will do so for the next 2-3 years. I like Patterson.

No NFL WR has ever done well with crappy QB play.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

At least this thread is finally moving past David Wilson.

...and into the valley of the stupid.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

At least this thread is finally moving past David Wilson.

...and into the valley of the stupid.

It's been in the valley of the stupid pretty much since day one. Or did you miss the Wilson = Barry Sanders + Jamaal Charles part?

 

[Touchdown There]

My logic and statement of fact is that Minnesota QBs suck monkey balls and will do so for the next 2-3 years. I like Patterson.

No NFL WR has ever done well with crappy QB play.

He did well this year and will likely do well next year. That does not mean I want him on my fantasy team. Excellent job of capturing all WRs of all time in your poor attempt at making a point. My advice is accurate. This is the worst football team in their division, who utilize a running offense with terrible QB play.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

At least this thread is finally moving past David Wilson.

...and into the valley of the stupid.

It's been in the valley of the stupid pretty much since day one. Or did you miss the Wilson = Barry Sanders + Jamaal Charles part?

I guess I did - or I'm getting old and can't remember all the way back to September.

I'm still trying to figure out how an NFL first round WR that started flashing in the second half of his rookie season is a waste of a dynasty roster spot though.

 

[Touchdown There]

At least this thread is finally moving past David Wilson.

...and into the valley of the stupid.

It's been in the valley of the stupid pretty much since day one. Or did you miss the Wilson = Barry Sanders + Jamaal Charles part?

I guess I did - or I'm getting old and can't remember all the way back to September.

I'm still trying to figure out how an NFL first round WR that started flashing in the second half of his rookie season is a waste of a dynasty roster spot though.

You can bend your mind trying to figure it out or you can read my post above and have it handed to you.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

My advice is accurate.

A WR who finished WR18 in PPR over the 2nd half of his rookie season is wasting a roster spot in dynasty leagues.

 

[Touchdown There]

My advice is accurate.

A WR who finished WR18 in PPR over the 2nd half of his rookie season is wasting a roster spot in dynasty leagues.

Posters with the lowest intelligence cherry pick to try to make their point. You don't get to select the stats you like.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

My advice is accurate.

A WR who finished WR18 in PPR over the 2nd half of his rookie season is wasting a roster spot in dynasty leagues.

Posters with the lowest intelligence cherry pick to try to make their point. You don't get to select the stats you like.

You should probably stick to talking about how dumb the Steelers were for paying Antonio Brown instead of Mike Wallace. Oh wait...

 

[Touchdown There]

My advice is accurate.

A WR who finished WR18 in PPR over the 2nd half of his rookie season is wasting a roster spot in dynasty leagues.

Posters with the lowest intelligence cherry pick to try to make their point. You don't get to select the stats you like.

You should probably stick to talking about how dumb the Steelers were for paying Antonio Brown instead of Mike Wallace. Oh wait...

I never said a bad word about Antonio Brown. I said the Steelers were broke and screwing Mike Wallace, which was accurate. Also, Coeur de Lion was a war monger who committed countless atrocities, taxed his people excessively, and whose sexuality is in question. I also think the French are dbags. Anything else?

 

[B-Deep]

We now have a 103 page thread on david wilson

who averages 24 rushing yards per game (4 pages per aveage yard rushed!)

we have a 103 page thread on a running back who (according to pro football reference) has in his 2 seasons in the nfl amassed a total of 84 fantasy points (1.2 pages per point scored!)

he has 6 rushing and receiving TDs, that is a whopping 17 pages per TD

Tim Tebow thinks this guy is over hypedon this board

 

[MoveToSkypager]

What is happening in this thread?

 

[Touchdown There]

What is happening in this thread?

This link can explain a lot.

 

[zamboni]

What is happening in this thread?

I think we ought to move onto another Wilson. About as relevant now.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

I actually think Wilson the volleyball has a better shot at being fantasy relevant than David Wilson. At least we know Wilson the volleyball's neck isn't all jacked up.

 

[Louche]

My logic and statement of fact is that Minnesota QBs suck monkey balls and will do so for the next 2-3 years. I like Patterson.

And you think Weeden, Hoyer, Campbell and Andy Dalton are among the best QBs in the league? First of all; a WR can have top production even when playing with a mediocre or bad QB. It's about target distribution. Second, the Vikings situation in 2014 is far from settled when it comes to coaching and QB, so in terms of system this seems like the perfect opportunity to be bullish on Patterson. His surroundings can only get better compared to 2013. And third, if there is a dynasty league where Patterson is not rostered it is a league that is not worth playing. He has clearly demonstrated that he has a very high ceiling and high risk / high ceiling players are always more interesting in dynasty than high floor / low ceiling players. Nobody is playing FF to be number 5 in the standings. Patterson was always going to be raw coming in and judging dynasty potential based on rookie production is the safest way to never be ahead of the curve.

Now...going back to the topic of this thread: the 2013 season has of course been a huge setback for Wilson. It hardly could have been worse considering the injury, his production when playing, and his fumbling issues which we all know is a biggie playing for Coughlin. However, his talent and ceiling is still very interesting, and given that the neck injury is a fact, surgery is a good thing since that means that he is trying to return. But of course; although the surgery is a positive it is still only a tiny bit of good news in what has been a devastating and potentially career ending season. With all that being said I would still argue that his ceiling is high and considering that he doesn't have any trade value at this point owners have little choice but to keep him rostered. For salary cap leagues I would wait as long as I can through the offseason but then get out if the penalty is not too big and one is in need of the roster or salary cap space. Who knows...some buzz about successful surgery...some buzz from training camp that he is looking very good...it doesn't really take that much for the media to turn again and before the preseason is over he could again have some value - at least in a trade to an owner who is sold on his high ceiling. Owners that are stuck with Wilson simply have to ride it out and see what happens. Things change fast in the NFL.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

David Wilson revealed on Twitter Thursday that he's out of his neck brace.
Wilson underwent surgery on January 16. The Giants have spoken of their 2012 first-round pick as if Wilson's 2014 availability will be a bonus. We expect them to pursue re-signing Andre Brown or perhaps free agent James Starks, who played in Green Bay with new Giants OC Ben McAdoo. Wilson is a hold in Dynasty leagues, but his 2014 re-draft value is entirely up in the air.

Source: David Wilson on Twitter

 

[Holy Schneikes]

What I find amusing is how much posts about the irrelevance and magnitude of this thread have contributed to the irrelevance and magnitude of this thread...

There is a lot of disagreement on Wilson, and lot has happened to him since the beginning of the thread. Is it all that shocking that there would be a lot of discussion about him? Highly drafted back, shows some exceptional traits, displays some inconsistency, on a team that his produced decent fantasy numbers at the RB position, has some major injury concerns, seems to be addressing those concerns... Naah, nobody wants to talk about that guy. Except all the people who don't think we should be talking about him.

 

[Biabreakable]

Haha HS!

I love this magnitude of irrelevance phrase!

 

[KellysHeroes]

A source close to the situation told ESPN Giants reporter Dan Graziano that David Wilson's neck surgery is going "very well," and Wilson has already begun weightlifting and working out.

The source told Graziano there's "no reason to believe (Wilson) won't be playing" in 2014. Still just 22 years old, Wilson underwent "fusion of the vertebrae" to repair his herniated disc on January 16. The Giants are still likely to approach their offseason as if anything Wilson provides in 2014 will be a bonus. Re-signing free agent Andre Brown may be GM Jerry Reese's first order of business. Brown won't be expensive to keep.

also, whats the difference from Wilson's injury and Finley's?

 

[Orlando RMF]

Traded him for Patterson before the start of last season, laughing my ### off all the way to the bank.

Hmmm. Let me know when the Vikings trade for Aaron Rodgers and Adrian Peterson retires. Until then you have a #4 wr that will blow up some weeks, but you will never know when those weeks will be. This makes him wasted roster space on your fantasy team, unless you play best ball style, and I really like Patterson as a talent.

#4 WR? I guess it depends on the league scoringI play in 4 leagues all with different scoring systemsThis is how he finished in those leagues #20 WR#39 WR#2 WR (TD heavy - return league)#15 WR

I don't think so. Let's talk normal numbers in a standard 1 PPR dynasty league. Congrats to his WR48 finish, just behind Marlon Brown and one point ahead of Boykin. I will take any of the Packer's top 3 wide receivers before Patterson. See my original logic.WR Rank Overall Player Points1 7 Gordon, Josh CLE WR 3262 9 Thomas, Demaryius DEN WR 3243 11 Green, A.J. CIN WR 3134 12 Johnson, Calvin DET WR 3135 14 Brown, Antonio PIT WR 3116 15 Marshall, Brandon CHI WR 3107 19 Bryant, Dez DAL WR 2978 21 Jeffery, Alshon CHI WR 2919 23 Decker, Eric DEN WR 28610 24 Johnson, Andre HOU WR 28411 29 Garcon, Pierre WAS WR 27912 31 Jackson, DeSean PHI WR 27413 34 Nelson, Jordy GBP WR 26814 39 Edelman, Julian NEP WR 25015 41 Boldin, Anquan SFO WR 24416 44 Jackson, Vincent TBB WR 24217 49 Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR 23418 52 Allen, Keenan SDC WR (R) 22619 53 Hilton, T.Y. IND WR 22520 63 Wright, Kendall TEN WR 21121 69 Welker, Wes DEN WR 20522 70 Douglas, Harry ATL WR 20123 71 Smith, Torrey BAL WR 20124 72 Floyd, Michael ARI WR 20025 75 Cruz, Victor NYG WR 19826 76 Wallace, Mike MIA WR 19827 77 Colston, Marques NOS WR 19728 78 Hartline, Brian MIA WR 19729 90 Cooper, Riley PHI WR 18130 91 Jones, Marvin CIN WR 18131 92 Tate, Golden SEA WR 18132 102 Sanders, Emmanuel PIT WR 17133 107 Streater, Rod OAK WR 16834 108 Washington, Nate TEN WR 16835 109 Jennings, Greg MIN WR 16736 115 Cotchery, Jerricho PIT WR 16237 116 Shorts, Cecil JAC WR 16138 120 Smith, Steve CAR WR 15839 125 Jones, James GBP WR 15640 130 Royal, Eddie SDC WR 15341 132 Baldwin, Doug SEA WR 15142 134 White, Roddy ATL WR 15143 137 Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR 14744 140 Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR 14645 145 Williams, Terrance DAL WR (R) 14646 148 Moore, Denarius OAK WR 14347 149 Brown, Marlon BAL WR (R) 14248 150 Patterson, Cordarrelle MIN WR (R) 14249 151 Boykin, Jarrett GBP WR 141

No rookie WR has ever improved upon his rookie numbers without a HOF QB.

Traded him for Patterson before the start of last season, laughing my ### off all the way to the bank.

Hmmm. Let me know when the Vikings trade for Aaron Rodgers and Adrian Peterson retires. Until then you have a #4 wr that will blow up some weeks, but you will never know when those weeks will be. This makes him wasted roster space on your fantasy team, unless you play best ball style, and I really like Patterson as a talent.

#4 WR? I guess it depends on the league scoringI play in 4 leagues all with different scoring systemsThis is how he finished in those leagues #20 WR#39 WR#2 WR (TD heavy - return league)#15 WR

I don't think so. Let's talk normal numbers in a standard 1 PPR dynasty league. Congrats to his WR48 finish, just behind Marlon Brown and one point ahead of Boykin. I will take any of the Packer's top 3 wide receivers before Patterson. See my original logic.

That's not logic. You are presenting a statement of fact on what Patterson was this year. Many of us would call it illogical to assume that Patterson will never improve and what he was this year is simply what he is. By your method you would be have been calling Calvin Johnson nothing but a WR3 after his rookie year.

My logic and statement of fact is that Minnesota QBs suck monkey balls and will do so for the next 2-3 years. I like Patterson.

No NFL WR has ever done well with crappy QB play.

See Josh Gordon and define crappy QB play.

 

[msudaisy26]

Traded him for Patterson before the start of last season, laughing my ### off all the way to the bank.

Hmmm. Let me know when the Vikings trade for Aaron Rodgers and Adrian Peterson retires. Until then you have a #4 wr that will blow up some weeks, but you will never know when those weeks will be. This makes him wasted roster space on your fantasy team, unless you play best ball style, and I really like Patterson as a talent.

#4 WR? I guess it depends on the league scoringI play in 4 leagues all with different scoring systemsThis is how he finished in those leagues #20 WR#39 WR#2 WR (TD heavy - return league)#15 WR

I don't think so. Let's talk normal numbers in a standard 1 PPR dynasty league. Congrats to his WR48 finish, just behind Marlon Brown and one point ahead of Boykin. I will take any of the Packer's top 3 wide receivers before Patterson. See my original logic.WR Rank Overall Player Points1 7 Gordon, Josh CLE WR 3262 9 Thomas, Demaryius DEN WR 3243 11 Green, A.J. CIN WR 3134 12 Johnson, Calvin DET WR 3135 14 Brown, Antonio PIT WR 3116 15 Marshall, Brandon CHI WR 3107 19 Bryant, Dez DAL WR 2978 21 Jeffery, Alshon CHI WR 2919 23 Decker, Eric DEN WR 28610 24 Johnson, Andre HOU WR 28411 29 Garcon, Pierre WAS WR 27912 31 Jackson, DeSean PHI WR 27413 34 Nelson, Jordy GBP WR 26814 39 Edelman, Julian NEP WR 25015 41 Boldin, Anquan SFO WR 24416 44 Jackson, Vincent TBB WR 24217 49 Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR 23418 52 Allen, Keenan SDC WR (R) 22619 53 Hilton, T.Y. IND WR 22520 63 Wright, Kendall TEN WR 21121 69 Welker, Wes DEN WR 20522 70 Douglas, Harry ATL WR 20123 71 Smith, Torrey BAL WR 20124 72 Floyd, Michael ARI WR 20025 75 Cruz, Victor NYG WR 19826 76 Wallace, Mike MIA WR 19827 77 Colston, Marques NOS WR 19728 78 Hartline, Brian MIA WR 19729 90 Cooper, Riley PHI WR 18130 91 Jones, Marvin CIN WR 18131 92 Tate, Golden SEA WR 18132 102 Sanders, Emmanuel PIT WR 17133 107 Streater, Rod OAK WR 16834 108 Washington, Nate TEN WR 16835 109 Jennings, Greg MIN WR 16736 115 Cotchery, Jerricho PIT WR 16237 116 Shorts, Cecil JAC WR 16138 120 Smith, Steve CAR WR 15839 125 Jones, James GBP WR 15640 130 Royal, Eddie SDC WR 15341 132 Baldwin, Doug SEA WR 15142 134 White, Roddy ATL WR 15143 137 Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR 14744 140 Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR 14645 145 Williams, Terrance DAL WR (R) 14646 148 Moore, Denarius OAK WR 14347 149 Brown, Marlon BAL WR (R) 14248 150 Patterson, Cordarrelle MIN WR (R) 14249 151 Boykin, Jarrett GBP WR 141

No rookie WR has ever improved upon his rookie numbers without a HOF QB.

Traded him for Patterson before the start of last season, laughing my ### off all the way to the bank.

Hmmm. Let me know when the Vikings trade for Aaron Rodgers and Adrian Peterson retires. Until then you have a #4 wr that will blow up some weeks, but you will never know when those weeks will be. This makes him wasted roster space on your fantasy team, unless you play best ball style, and I really like Patterson as a talent.

#4 WR? I guess it depends on the league scoringI play in 4 leagues all with different scoring systemsThis is how he finished in those leagues #20 WR#39 WR#2 WR (TD heavy - return league)#15 WR

I don't think so. Let's talk normal numbers in a standard 1 PPR dynasty league. Congrats to his WR48 finish, just behind Marlon Brown and one point ahead of Boykin. I will take any of the Packer's top 3 wide receivers before Patterson. See my original logic.

That's not logic. You are presenting a statement of fact on what Patterson was this year. Many of us would call it illogical to assume that Patterson will never improve and what he was this year is simply what he is. By your method you would be have been calling Calvin Johnson nothing but a WR3 after his rookie year.

My logic and statement of fact is that Minnesota QBs suck monkey balls and will do so for the next 2-3 years. I like Patterson.

No NFL WR has ever done well with crappy QB play.

See Josh Gordon and define crappy QB play.

Didn't Calvin have a good year with Drew Stanton and others throwing to him? And Fitzgerald in 2011 put up 1400 and 8 with Kolb and Skelton