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Dayne's getting about 20 carries a game the past two games. That was against Oakland and Tennesse though. Today against NE, I'm thinking there is no way I can trust him.

Then I see posts and rankings on this and other sites, that state Dayne is a good flex position player today. I am not going to state who I am currently starting in front of Dayne, as this is not a WDIS, I'll make that decision.

Could you trust the cheatsheets and start Dayne today in your flex and why or why not?

I want to know if anyones seen the past two games and what you think of how the guys been running. (I saw Tenn in Oak, however that game was pathetic and I didn't pay enough attention to Dayne)

I just can't see relying on Dayne in a flex spot in the playoffs, against the 3rd ranked NFL run defense of NE, in NE.

 
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Shanny JR. is just as likely to all the sudden feed Lundy 25 carries as he is to give them to Dayne.

I just can't start a Houston RB given the games this coach has played. Now if he gets the bulk this week.

DAYNE WILL START WEEK 16 VS. INDY for me anyway

 
he seems to the flavor of the month in the texans' running game, but remember you are trusting Ron Dayne AND the Houston Texans.

 
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he seems to the flavor of the month in the texans' running game, but remember you are trusting Ron Dayne AND the Houston Texans.
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Exactly, if I win and Dayne shows up this week again, he'll be in next week. Have you seen the games? (like anyone watches Houston).I think I'll stay with what got me here, but I'm getting this itch to put Dayne in there at Flex. I guess I'm trying to come down from the ledge and looking for any reason to do so.
 
As a last resort I would go Dayne but I think any Texans RB is too risky for the playoffs. A month ago I thought Lundy could be a star for me in the playoffs. Way too unpredictable and, being that the season is lost, I would thing that the rookie would get more of a shot at this point than Dayne.

These dilemma's are why every year the experts say to draft your RB's early and often. Good luck everyone.

 
Absolutely not for this week.

Next week at home vs. the Colts, if there's any week to start him it would be then.

I picked him up for two reasons - lost KJones to injury and didn't want anyone else to beat me with that matchup (if I make it to the finals).

I might start him over Addai next week, but that's not a decision to make yet, and only if I even make it to the championship.

 
how about Dayne? 94 yards and a td despite losing badly nearly the entire game. He could be a real nice start vs. the Colts next week. His last 3 weeks...

18-95 vs. Oak

21-87-2 vs. Tenn

18-94-1 vs. NE

Not too shabby.....

 
Is it possible that <gulp> Dayne could be the starter in Houston next year?

It's hard to believe, no doubt, but the Texans have a ton of holes to fill. And you gotta admit, he's playing very well right now.

 
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Is it possible that <gulp> Dayne could be the starter in Houston next year?It's hard to believe, no doubt, but the Texans have a ton of holes to fill. And you gotta admit, he's playing very well right now.
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Right now I would say their more glaring need is QB, so it's quite possible. Dayne fits the system well.
 
zamboni said:
Is it possible that <gulp> Dayne could be the starter in Houston next year?It's hard to believe, no doubt, but the Texans have a ton of holes to fill. And you gotta admit, he's playing very well right now.
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He actually looks great. They will probably draft a back though at least for depth. They have so many needs though it's hard to know what they will do.
 
I had to start Dayne this week out of desperation. If only Tatum Bell could suck as bad as Dayne...

I think he's s great start next week, but no way is he Houston's starter next year. D Davis will return & they will draft a RB. Dayne is auditioning for a backup job somewhere next year.

 
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but no way is he Houston's starter next year. D Davis will return & they will draft a RB. Dayne is auditioning for a backup job somewhere next year.
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I doubt Davis is back next year, and almost certainly not the clear starter. He's not Kubiak's guy. I do agree that they could very well draft an RB, although Dayne probably isn't going anywhere. He'll probably be the backup at worst.
 
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Ok, I'm mulling Dayne next week. I need someone to talk me off the ledge. Is this guy really a *legit* RB2 starter for your championship game ??? I just, I just can't do it .........

 
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Ok, I'm mulling Dayne next week. I need someone to talk me off the ledge. Is this guy really a *legit* RB2 starter for your championship game ??? I just, I just can't do it .........
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In the same boat. Have MBIII, should be no brainer, but egg laid weak before last has me scared in such a big matchup, which could go either way. Dayne vs Rhodes as other options. Trying to talk myself off the ledge of putting Dayne over MB. Dayne has statiscally good matchup though. Need to sleep and drink on it.
 
My semi final game.

I am starting Dayne over ( J Lewis - C Houston - D Williams - A Johnson - Stallwoth )

Against Indy no reason he does nt put up 100 yds and maybe 2 TD .

 
What a bizarro season it has been. I am starting Dayne ahead of Shaun Alexander in my league's championship game. I NEVER would have believed it...

 
I have to start Dayne over Tatum Bell. Thanks Shanny for making my fantasy life hell this year. Who would have said in August that they would have Ron Dayne in their lineup for the finals. Crazy!

 
I'm having to start him in our super bowl this week over fraggile freddy taylor..no way i am trusting that guy this week after getting burned last week.

I'm hoping for 75 yards and a td..

 
Without doing any actual research, from what I've seen watching the colts (every single game), they seem to perform much better yardage-wise against the slower, plodder type RB"s (Dillon, R. Johnson, etc). This is especially true when they have the lead, which is likely against Houston. Dayne had 37 yards as the leading rusher last time they met, but that was week 2. However, this is the Colts run D we're talking about, so if Houston gets any TDs on plays from within in the red zone, I would expect Dayne to get those points.

Not that I know what I'm talking about, but I would guess somewhere around 50-60 yards and 2 TDs as an absolute maximum. More likely 40 yards and 50% chance of a score late.

 
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Without doing any actual research, from what I've seen watching the colts (every single game), they seem to perform much better yardage-wise against the slower, plodder type RB"s (Dillon, R. Johnson, etc). This is especially true when they have the lead, which is likely against Houston. Dayne had 37 yards as the leading rusher last time they met, but that was week 2. However, this is the Colts run D we're talking about, so if Houston gets any TDs on plays from within in the red zone, I would expect Dayne to get those points. Not that I know what I'm talking about, but I would guess somewhere around 50-60 yards and 2 TDs as an absolute maximum. More likely 40 yards and 50% chance of a score late.
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I don't think the Colts have held one team the whole year to under 100 rushing yards, the Texans included.....
 
raor said:
Without doing any actual research, from what I've seen watching the colts (every single game), they seem to perform much better yardage-wise against the slower, plodder type RB"s (Dillon, R. Johnson, etc). This is especially true when they have the lead, which is likely against Houston. Dayne had 37 yards as the leading rusher last time they met, but that was week 2. However, this is the Colts run D we're talking about, so if Houston gets any TDs on plays from within in the red zone, I would expect Dayne to get those points. Not that I know what I'm talking about, but I would guess somewhere around 50-60 yards and 2 TDs as an absolute maximum. More likely 40 yards and 50% chance of a score late.
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Phew. Thank you very much. I am climbing through the window and will now take the elevator to the lobby.This was the one sliver of rationale I needed to not start Dayne. Remember: We are dealing with Mini-Skeletor here. I could very easily see this as a game where Lundy gets all the carries if HOU goes down bc he is more of a receiving back and his style of running could be better suited to exploit Indy's run "defense."The last thing you want to see in your SB is a scroll downt he bottom of a game Lundy 12/70, Dayne 2/0.No thanks! Bush it is! :unsure:
 
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raor said:
Without doing any actual research, from what I've seen watching the colts (every single game), they seem to perform much better yardage-wise against the slower, plodder type RB"s (Dillon, R. Johnson, etc). This is especially true when they have the lead, which is likely against Houston. Dayne had 37 yards as the leading rusher last time they met, but that was week 2. However, this is the Colts run D we're talking about, so if Houston gets any TDs on plays from within in the red zone, I would expect Dayne to get those points. Not that I know what I'm talking about, but I would guess somewhere around 50-60 yards and 2 TDs as an absolute maximum. More likely 40 yards and 50% chance of a score late.
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I don't think the Colts have held one team the whole year to under 100 rushing yards, the Texans included.....
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team != individual running back
 
raor said:
Banger said:
raor said:
Without doing any actual research, from what I've seen watching the colts (every single game), they seem to perform much better yardage-wise against the slower, plodder type RB"s (Dillon, R. Johnson, etc). This is especially true when they have the lead, which is likely against Houston. Dayne had 37 yards as the leading rusher last time they met, but that was week 2. However, this is the Colts run D we're talking about, so if Houston gets any TDs on plays from within in the red zone, I would expect Dayne to get those points. Not that I know what I'm talking about, but I would guess somewhere around 50-60 yards and 2 TDs as an absolute maximum. More likely 40 yards and 50% chance of a score late.
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I don't think the Colts have held one team the whole year to under 100 rushing yards, the Texans included.....
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I hear ya but everyone else on the team totally stinks. Dayne has gotten all the carries the last 3 weeks and there's no reason to think that won't continue this weekend.
 
FWIW - Dayne over Addai for me here. Sort of a no brainer for me though as he and Sjax are my only two healty RBs left.

I can definitely see starting him this week as someone's RB2. He's had three pretty good games over the last three weeks. The last game vs NE gave me some hope.

 
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raor said:
Banger said:
I don't think the Colts have held one team the whole year to under 100 rushing yards, the Texans included.....
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I hear ya but everyone else on the team totally stinks. Dayne has gotten all the carries the last 3 weeks and there's no reason to think that won't continue this weekend.
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I'm fairly positive that exact same argument was used in favor of Wali Lundy a few weeks back :lmao: I've been considering using Dayne all week, but I honestly don't think he'll do that much vs the Colts -- unless he gets chances from within the 12 yard line. I wouldn't be surprised to see Gado or Lundy get the majority of the yards.
 
raor said:
Banger said:
raor said:
Banger said:
I don't think the Colts have held one team the whole year to under 100 rushing yards, the Texans included.....
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I hear ya but everyone else on the team totally stinks. Dayne has gotten all the carries the last 3 weeks and there's no reason to think that won't continue this weekend.
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I'm fairly positive that exact same argument was used in favor of Wali Lundy a few weeks back :) I've been considering using Dayne all week, but I honestly don't think he'll do that much vs the Colts -- unless he gets chances from within the 12 yard line. I wouldn't be surprised to see Gado or Lundy get the majority of the yards.
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This is best, most consistent run the running game has had all year. When the changes were made it was because the runners weren't scoring/running for a decent YPC. Dayne has been doing both.Gado hasn't had a carry since Dayne starting toting the rock again 3 weeks ago. Lundy's carries have gone from 9 to 5 to 3 (17) over the last 3 weeks while Dayne's have been 18, 21 and 18 (57). Lundy's run for 3.41 ypc while Dayne has run for 4.84 (thus the reason why he's been getting more carries and Lundy less) over that time period. Now anything is possible but the trend has certainly been that Dayne has been running much better than Lundy, Dayne's carries have been about 20 a game, Dayne has got all the goal line carries (converted 3 in 3 games) and Lundy's carries have gone down each game. Can that change? Sure, but there's data and logic to support Dayne getting continued carries and there's not for Gado/Lundy to get an increase workload. I'd rather go with the trend than a random guess that something will change.
 
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Pick three of the following (2 WR 1 Flex) -

Dayne (Currently Flex)

J. Walker (Currently WR)

M. Colsotn (Currently WR)

A. Boldin (Currently Benched)

 
raor said:
I've been considering using Dayne all week, but I honestly don't think he'll do that much vs the Colts -- unless he gets chances from within the 12 yard line. I wouldn't be surprised to see Gado or Lundy get the majority of the yards.
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Dayne put up 18/94/1 against the Pats in a 40-7 game. I don't see this week against the Colts as being a tougher situation than that for him. He's playing well, and Kubiak plays guys who are playing well.I sat Chester for Dayne. So far so good.
 
Something to consider with Dayne is that 14 of his 18 carries were on 1st down. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not. I'll lean towards NOT. I, like I am sure several of you are thinking about starting him this week in the Superbowl, in my case over R Bush. But I am not so sure.

It's easy to look at Daynes numbers the last few weeks and then compare him to the Colts and say "well there you go." It's also easy to point to the fact that he had one of his biggest games in a blowout last week, but if you look at the play by plays he only had 1 carry in the 4th Quarter, and only 3 carries in the 4th quarter against Tenn. It seems to me that the Patriots with the lead didn't try to do much to stop the run on first down, and yielded lots of yards because of it, by instead stopping the pass, and protecting their huge lead. New England knows they can stop the run (4th) so they weren't worried about it, especially with the lead. The colts on the other hand will go out of their way to stop the run at every possible opportunity, and with what I'm sure will be a big lead, try to make David Carr win the game for Houston.

As for my dilemma with R Bush, I look at the paper and see that the NYG are Ok against the run (11th) but a dismal 27th against the pass. In comparing the two as I'm sure I'm not the only person debating these same options, I'm leaning towards Bush as he is the player that got me here.

Dayne 16 carries 57 yards, 1 rec. 3 yards

Bush 8 carries 33 yards, 9 rec. 65 yards 1 TD. :banned:

 
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Something to consider with Dayne is that 14 of his 18 carries were on 1st down. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not. I'll lean towards NOT. I, like I am sure several of you are thinking about starting him this week in the Superbowl, in my case over R Bush. But I am not so sure. It's easy to look at Daynes numbers the last few weeks and then compare him to the Colts and say "well there you go." It's also easy to point to the fact that he had one of his biggest games in a blowout last week, but if you look at the play by plays he only had 1 carry in the 4th Quarter, and only 3 carries in the 4th quarter against Tenn. It seems to me that the Patriots with the lead didn't try to do much to stop the run on first down, and yielded lots of yards because of it, by instead stopping the pass, and protecting their huge lead. New England knows they can stop the run (4th) so they weren't worried about it, especially with the lead. The colts on the other hand will go out of their way to stop the run at every possible opportunity, and with what I'm sure will be a big lead, try to make David Carr win the game for Houston.As for my dilemma with R Bush, I look at the paper and see that the NYG are Ok against the run (11th) but a dismal 27th against the pass. In comparing the two as I'm sure I'm not the only person debating these same options, I'm leaning towards Bush as he is the player that got me here.Dayne 16 carries 57 yards, 1 rec. 3 yardsBush 8 carries 33 yards, 9 rec. 65 yards 1 TD. :banned:
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I'm debating the same choice, with Ronnie Brown thrown into the mix. I am probably going to rule out Brown first, since he isn't starting and will share the load... plus, his receiving ability may be hampered by his hand injury.I am playing a team with Brees, Tomlinson, and Gore in the final, so my players will probably have to come up big for me to win. The reason I'm considering Bush is because he has big upside potential, as evidenced a few times this season... but unfortunately only a few times.Dayne in theory could be the safe choice but (a) I probably can't win with safe and (b) I can't reconcile the notion of Dayne being a safe play. I think I have just talked myself into going with Bush.
 
Just Win Baby said:
Raiders said:
Something to consider with Dayne is that 14 of his 18 carries were on 1st down. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not. I'll lean towards NOT. I, like I am sure several of you are thinking about starting him this week in the Superbowl, in my case over R Bush. But I am not so sure. It's easy to look at Daynes numbers the last few weeks and then compare him to the Colts and say "well there you go." It's also easy to point to the fact that he had one of his biggest games in a blowout last week, but if you look at the play by plays he only had 1 carry in the 4th Quarter, and only 3 carries in the 4th quarter against Tenn. It seems to me that the Patriots with the lead didn't try to do much to stop the run on first down, and yielded lots of yards because of it, by instead stopping the pass, and protecting their huge lead. New England knows they can stop the run (4th) so they weren't worried about it, especially with the lead. The colts on the other hand will go out of their way to stop the run at every possible opportunity, and with what I'm sure will be a big lead, try to make David Carr win the game for Houston.As for my dilemma with R Bush, I look at the paper and see that the NYG are Ok against the run (11th) but a dismal 27th against the pass. In comparing the two as I'm sure I'm not the only person debating these same options, I'm leaning towards Bush as he is the player that got me here.Dayne 16 carries 57 yards, 1 rec. 3 yardsBush 8 carries 33 yards, 9 rec. 65 yards 1 TD. :banned:
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I'm debating the same choice, with Ronnie Brown thrown into the mix. I am probably going to rule out Brown first, since he isn't starting and will share the load... plus, his receiving ability may be hampered by his hand injury.I am playing a team with Brees, Tomlinson, and Gore in the final, so my players will probably have to come up big for me to win. The reason I'm considering Bush is because he has big upside potential, as evidenced a few times this season... but unfortunately only a few times.Dayne in theory could be the safe choice but (a) I probably can't win with safe and (b) I can't reconcile the notion of Dayne being a safe play. I think I have just talked myself into going with Bush.
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:goodposting: Also playing against LT, plus Westbrook, Harrison, R Wayne, so I need to swing for the fences as well.
 
The Colts are giving up an average of 173.4 yards a game rushing, with a 5.4 ypc average against. I'm sure they'll try to stop the run, I'm not sure they can do it - it seems to me they can't.

As for the whole first down thing - looking at the game logs, Dayne did get carries on other downs. The reason he didn't get more carries on other downs are 1) several times he ran for another first down on a first down carry and 2)David Carr would throw an interception to out and out kill a drive or get sacked or throw an incompletion leaving the Texans in a throwing situation on 3rd - so no carry for Dayne.

Also it looked like Dayne was gaining yards throughout the game - I don't think the Pats were sloughing off on their run defense, especially considering it doesn't take much focus on Carr to have him screw up.

By the time the 4th rolled around the game was over, the Texans were in desparation passing mode and Lundy was in for mop up duty. Now that is a legitimate concern again this week as the same thing could happen - but if Dayne's gone for 100/1 by then anyway I wouldn't be unhappy.

He's not a lock, but he's a very good gamble this week, possibly an extra present for you. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

 
does this worry anyone? they have nothing to gain by even trying to win this game..

from roto world..

Chris Taylor-RB- Texans Dec. 22 - 11:54 am et

Chris Taylor is expected to play ahead of Wali Lundy this week.

Houston wants to see what their undrafted free agent can do before the end of the season.

 
Im rolling the dice on big fat Ron Dayne in the finals, am I the only one??I am a little worried about Kubiak trying to get Chris Taylor some carries today though. Anyone else worried about this??

Following a month of speculation, it appears that rookie running back Chris Taylor finally will get his first NFL carry this Sunday against the Colts. Gary Kubiak has been saying for some time that Taylor would get a look in the backfield before the season was out, and while Taylor has been on the active roster the past few weeks, he’s yet to get a carry. That will change Sunday. “We’re going to play Chris Taylor,” Kubiak said Thursday. "Ronnie (Dayne) will start. We’re going to play Chris Taylor along with Ronnie. Wali (Lundy) will be suited up to, so all three of those guys will be up. But we want to take a look at Chris.”
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KiddLattimer said:
Im rolling the dice on big fat Ron Dayne in the finals, am I the only one??I am a little worried about Kubiak trying to get Chris Taylor some carries today though. Anyone else worried about this??

Following a month of speculation, it appears that rookie running back Chris Taylor finally will get his first NFL carry this Sunday against the Colts. Gary Kubiak has been saying for some time that Taylor would get a look in the backfield before the season was out, and while Taylor has been on the active roster the past few weeks, he’s yet to get a carry. That will change Sunday. “We’re going to play Chris Taylor,” Kubiak said Thursday. "Ronnie (Dayne) will start. We’re going to play Chris Taylor along with Ronnie. Wali (Lundy) will be suited up to, so all three of those guys will be up. But we want to take a look at Chris.”
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Run Ron Run!!!!!I am starting him. going against the owner with Peyton, Addai and Rhodes. Not sure which RB he is going to start.
 
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