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Anthony Borbely
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First, be patient. Camp and preseason will sort a lot of things out. The biggest mistake I see made is daily overreaction to every blurb that gets posted. Schwartz is basically leaving no stone unturned in his efforts to determine where they play. They will lineup in a lot of different ways. They will try a lot of combinations in their nickel defense in preseason and camp. Right now, my guess is that Tulloch plays the middle, Levy WLB, and Durant SLB. I will be shocked if Tulloch plays anywhere other than MLB. I think Levy will be a 3-down LB, and the other LB in the nickel will be determined in camp. I think it's a toss up with a slight edge to Tulloch. But camp will work these things out.
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Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
That's the best place, along with Kowalski's tweets.
Anything new on Levy today?
I'm up tonight in our draft and I'll be looking right at him and a few other LBs. I'd love to think that he will win the MLB spot, but I just can't see it happening. I suppose most of us would still be pretty happy if he was a 3 down WLB.
Are we looking at one of these two scenarios? I just don't want to draft him and then next week see him kick over to SLB like Chaney did. The other LBs I can take are older but carry little risk for this season. Of course, they don't have Levy's upside either.
I'm up tonight in our draft and I'll be looking right at him and a few other LBs. I'd love to think that he will win the MLB spot, but I just can't see it happening. I suppose most of us would still be pretty happy if he was a 3 down WLB.
Are we looking at one of these two scenarios? I just don't want to draft him and then next week see him kick over to SLB like Chaney did. The other LBs I can take are older but carry little risk for this season. Of course, they don't have Levy's upside either.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I believe Levy was in the middle again today. But there is no way anyone can know how this will shake out this soon. I know if it were me, I would not count on Levy staying in the middle. It could happen, but it's a big risk to count on it. The only thing I feel comfortable about (right now) regarding the Lions' LBs is that I strongly believe that Levy will play 3 downs...but even that isn't a guarantee.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
if the bigger and faster LB aren't same person ( 
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tulloch was no doubt a coup for DET (durant could be also be, if healthy), and must be their best LB in a while... my only question, i thought one reason TEN let him walk is that they thought to many of his voluminous tackles were too far past the LOS for their liking... interesting that they replaced him with ruud, who has a similar rep (but bigger?)...
the DET DL is destined to be special, dominant if things break right... wherever they ultimately lineup, the MLB/WLB should be free to run and chase down ball carriers a lot in the future...
), they might prefer to have bigger, stouter run defender in the middle, faster more explosive guy at WLB (or was there word they may use a more ROLB/LOLB (sort of like JAX)?tulloch was no doubt a coup for DET (durant could be also be, if healthy), and must be their best LB in a while... my only question, i thought one reason TEN let him walk is that they thought to many of his voluminous tackles were too far past the LOS for their liking... interesting that they replaced him with ruud, who has a similar rep (but bigger?)...
the DET DL is destined to be special, dominant if things break right... wherever they ultimately lineup, the MLB/WLB should be free to run and chase down ball carriers a lot in the future...
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Any of the 3 could lead the team in tackles. I've seen OLBs and MLBs lead Jim Schwartz's defense in tackles. Chances are the most talented guy playing 3 downs will lead the LBs. I'd say (for tackle-only purposes) Tulloch>Durant>Levy. Plus, he's the most durable and playing for a contract. I'd take any of the three b/c in the NFL things change!!!
therokie0070
Footballguy
Well Donfue I hate to break it to you but the only LB right now locked for 3 downs is Levy, regardless if he is at MLB or WLB!! the other LB will be determined in camp between Tulloch and Durant, Levy has looked very sharp and more comfortable on the field in coverage and from what I have heard and read he is probable the safest LB to own on the team for FF.
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Anthony Borbely
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I have been very vocal about the fact that Levy is the most likely to play 3 downs and I think it would be a shock if he doesn't. That being said, I would hesitate to say "locked in" at this point. Nothing is etched in stone yet.'therokie0070 said:
SlevinKelevra
Footballguy
Nobody is "locked" at the momentAnd yes, you're a Levy owner....we got it.......'therokie0070 said:
therokie0070
Footballguy
I am currently have 10 money league teams and I own him in 1, so by no means am I posting this because I am a homer or Levy owner. I am basing my opinion off the coaches comment and what he has done so far in camp.
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Anthony Borbely
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If you have seen a coach comment on Levy being "locked in" as a 3 down LB...or anything else, please post a link because if it's true, it is major news that people should know about. I have not seen anything from the coaches or local writers that suggest anything like that.
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Gary Davenport
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All this has done is muddy the IDP waters for all 3, and unless it settles itself fairly soon there are gonna be plenty of owners ticked off that they drafted whoever and got hosed while others will be giddy that whoever is in a much better spot than they were on August X when they drafted.
Ugh and double ugh.
Ugh and double ugh.
blend
Footballguy
Tulloch back to the middle...
http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2011/08/camp_observations_stephen_tull_1.html
http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2011/08/camp_observations_stephen_tull_1.html
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Kowalski thinks it is permanent. He is the best beat writer around here. Levy is lining up at ROLB and Durant at LOLB.Assuming the above holds true (I think it will), the only thing left to figure out is who plays in the nickel.
This one may come down to who plays the dime. One of the 3 will have a green dot and play EVERY down, one will play the nickle and one will be an unlucky talent. I think the green dot has to go to Levy or Tulloch b/c they know the system. Its not looking good for Durant but Levy is very injury-prone and talent usually gets a chance at some point.
SlevinKelevra
Footballguy
I don't understand why Tulloch signed a one year deal with the Lions, seriously
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SlevinKelevra
Footballguy
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/08/09/camping-trip-a-day-with-the-detroit-lions/
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When I asked Jim Schwartz where he felt he’d got to with his linebacker upgrade in free agency, he was a little more non-committal than I’d hoped. He stressed that DeAndre Levy, Stephen Tulloch and even Ashlee Palmer could and had played both inside and outside (not sure when Tulloch was outside but maybe it was early in his career at the Titans), there was a lot of flexibility at that position and he’d hopefully finalize the position by the third preseason game.
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Given that the starters of Tulloch, Levy and Justin Durant, looked set, I’m guessing what he meant was the role of the other nickel LB, alongside Tulloch, was up for grabs. I saw both Durant and Levy with the job alternately during practice which is potentially concerning. Worst case scenario: that Levy hasn’t proved himself up to the job and that Durant, who despite being a first-rate run stuffer has previously struggled in coverage, has become a port in a storm. The best: Durant improved markedly over the off-season in that regard – I’ll let you decide the most likely scenario.
Linebacker
When I asked Jim Schwartz where he felt he’d got to with his linebacker upgrade in free agency, he was a little more non-committal than I’d hoped. He stressed that DeAndre Levy, Stephen Tulloch and even Ashlee Palmer could and had played both inside and outside (not sure when Tulloch was outside but maybe it was early in his career at the Titans), there was a lot of flexibility at that position and he’d hopefully finalize the position by the third preseason game.
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Given that the starters of Tulloch, Levy and Justin Durant, looked set, I’m guessing what he meant was the role of the other nickel LB, alongside Tulloch, was up for grabs. I saw both Durant and Levy with the job alternately during practice which is potentially concerning. Worst case scenario: that Levy hasn’t proved himself up to the job and that Durant, who despite being a first-rate run stuffer has previously struggled in coverage, has become a port in a storm. The best: Durant improved markedly over the off-season in that regard – I’ll let you decide the most likely scenario.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Yesterday at practice, Levy and Durant were in the first team nickel packages, Tulloch and Palmer were with the 2nd team. I have no clue why he makes the assumption that Tulloch is already going to be one of the nickel LBs with Levy and Durant battling for the 2nd.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
duece2626
Footballguy
(Rotoworld) Stephen Tulloch started the Lions' preseason opener at middle linebacker, as expected.
Analysis: DeAndre Levy moved to the weak side, and was the middle linebacker with Detroit's second-team defense. Levy could still be an IDP asset, but Tulloch is the Lions linebacker to target behind Ndamukong Suh and eventually Nick Fairley.
Analysis: DeAndre Levy moved to the weak side, and was the middle linebacker with Detroit's second-team defense. Levy could still be an IDP asset, but Tulloch is the Lions linebacker to target behind Ndamukong Suh and eventually Nick Fairley.
strange...anybody watch the game and take notice? still too early to tell what's going to happen here?
(KFFL) Detroit Lions LB Stephen Tulloch started at outside linebacker in the preseason opener Friday, Aug. 12, against the Cincinnati Bengals, with LBs DeAndre Levy in the middle and Justin Durant on the other side.
the gamebook from nfl.com has levy as MLB. (not that i think week 1 of preseason means much while they play around with packages. just that there are various reports floating around.)
(KFFL) Detroit Lions LB Stephen Tulloch started at outside linebacker in the preseason opener Friday, Aug. 12, against the Cincinnati Bengals, with LBs DeAndre Levy in the middle and Justin Durant on the other side.
the gamebook from nfl.com has levy as MLB. (not that i think week 1 of preseason means much while they play around with packages. just that there are various reports floating around.)
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obxlegends
Footballguy
Levey started in the middle, as confirmed by gamebook.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
According to everything I have read and heard from the locals, Tulloch played in the middle. Levy did play in the middle too, but only after Tulloch left. Norton said Tulloch and Durant played in the nickel. Not sure what to make of that. Levy played in the nickel at practices, sometimes with Tulloch, sometimes with Durant. My opinion: I think the loss of OTAs changes how teams are handling preseason games. Normally, they would know a lot more about things like this, but it's tough when they have only have a week or so of practices with the free agents. I'm not going to overreact to the first game or 2 in preseason. I will still be shocked if Levy is not in the nickel when the season starts.
Jestefarean
Footballguy
Watching the game right now. First play Tulloch definitly appears to be in the middle. Durant is on the left, and Levy is on the right. I'm wondering how status of the game changed things. Rookie QB, strong running game, already up 14 to nothing with 9:53 left in the 1st.
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Jestefarean
Footballguy
Based on my best efforts
2nd series 7:50 left in the first
1st and 10 – LOLB Durant, MLB Tulloch, ROLB Levy
2nd and 4 - LOLB Durant, MLB Tulloch, ROLB Levy
1st and 10 - LOLB Durant, MLB Tulloch, ROLB Levy
2nd and 6 - LOLB Durant, MLB Tulloch, ROLB Levy
3rd and 2 - LOLB Durant, MLB Tulloch, ROLB Levy
Next Series 2:58 left in the first. Drive starts from around midfield
1st and 10 - LOLB Durant, MLB Tulloch, ROLB Levy
2nd and 16 - LOLB Durant, MLB Tulloch, ROLB Levy
3rd and 9 – Nickel D – Durant and Tulloch
1st and 10 - LOLB Durant, MLB Tulloch, ROLB Levy (Suh attempts to behead Dalton)
1st and 10 - LOLB Durant, MLB Tulloch, ROLB Levy (1:22 Redzone – Levy lined up on the LOS)
2nd and 8 Nickel D – Durant and Tulloch
End First Quarter
2nd series 7:50 left in the first
1st and 10 – LOLB Durant, MLB Tulloch, ROLB Levy
2nd and 4 - LOLB Durant, MLB Tulloch, ROLB Levy
1st and 10 - LOLB Durant, MLB Tulloch, ROLB Levy
2nd and 6 - LOLB Durant, MLB Tulloch, ROLB Levy
3rd and 2 - LOLB Durant, MLB Tulloch, ROLB Levy
Next Series 2:58 left in the first. Drive starts from around midfield
1st and 10 - LOLB Durant, MLB Tulloch, ROLB Levy
2nd and 16 - LOLB Durant, MLB Tulloch, ROLB Levy
3rd and 9 – Nickel D – Durant and Tulloch
1st and 10 - LOLB Durant, MLB Tulloch, ROLB Levy (Suh attempts to behead Dalton)
1st and 10 - LOLB Durant, MLB Tulloch, ROLB Levy (1:22 Redzone – Levy lined up on the LOS)
2nd and 8 Nickel D – Durant and Tulloch
End First Quarter
Jayrod
Footballguy
My guess on this is that if the coaches are trying to get an idea of who is better in coverage, they want them both out there to evaluate. I believe they already know what they have in Levy for coverage, so they are running the other two out there in a competition for the other spot. Note this is just a theory and not backed by any hard evidence.
matttyl
Footballguy
With this, shouldn't Tulloch remain the one to own here, and as a 3 down MLB with that line in front of him remain a top end #2 LB?
cr8f
Footballguy
Wasn't he always even if he played only 2 downs? When he was the MLB he would be a tackling machine.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
It's too early to predict that the nickel LBs will be Tulloch and Durant. During practice, Levy played with either Tulloch or Durant in the nickel. I'm not sure we will know for sure until after the 3rd preseason game, if not later.
JbizzleMan
Footballguy
So...is Levy droppable now? 
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
See the post immediately about yours.So...is Levy droppable now?
JbizzleMan
Footballguy
I assume you meant above? My league's free-agency opens next week and need to drop a player in order to make a pickup. If he ends up being a useless IDP asset, I'd rather drop him over a young WR. (dynasty)See the post immediately about yours.So...is Levy droppable now?
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Sorry, I meant above. The point I made in that post is that nobody knows at this point who will play nickel for the Lions. I still think Levy will play in the nickel when all is said and done, but it is certainly not a guarantee.I assume you meant above? My league's free-agency opens next week and need to drop a player in order to make a pickup. If he ends up being a useless IDP asset, I'd rather drop him over a young WR. (dynasty)See the post immediately about yours.So...is Levy droppable now?
Jestefarean
Footballguy
For what it's worth, tonight it was the Durant LOLB, Tulloch MLB, and Levy ROLB for normal sets. The nickel package for most of the 1st quarter was Durrant and Levy. However, the final defensive series of the 1st quarter had Tulloch and Levy in the Nickel.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Tillich is the guy to own. This being debatable seems almost comical.
therokie0070
Footballguy
The only thing comical is Tillich
If Tulloch is only a 2 down LB and Levy is a 3 down LB I don't see how you could say this is not debatable!!!
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
the debate isn't whether tulloch is more valuable than levy, but the OP bears on levy's intrinsic value... of course, which two LBs are in the nickle (what the debate is about) will impact on levy's ultimate value...some teams produce more than one (in GBs case, more than two) LBs that are valuable, so relative cost needs to be factored in... for now, tulloch is more expensive... if levy is cheaper and does almost as good (if he is in nickle and tulloch isn't, for instance), he could be the better value...i like tulloch better, too, aside from relative value, but in discussions like these, the importance of relative value should be implicitly accounted for... in the shark pool, there is a thread titled kendricks is the guy to have over julius thomas... well, i like kendricks a lot, and he should do better right away, but julius arguably has even greater upside (presumably has a lower floor, too), and is much cheaper... imo, the broader implications of that thread's intended comparison (kendricks and julius), potentially very interesting, in the absence of attacking the question of RELATIVE value, was unfortunately incompletely explored as phrased...'Multiple Scores said:
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cr8f
Footballguy
Yes it it about choices and value-Tulloch high or get other players and Bishop or Hawthorne later.ADP redraft LB-I'd rather have Lofton Bishop and Hawthorne this year and they are cheaper and in some cases much cheaper. Hawthorne is going 72 spots later than Tulloch. 1. Willis, Patrick SFO LB 53.57 1 127 652. Mayo, Jerod NEP LB 63.75 2 125 643. Timmons, Lawrence PIT LB 73.81 3 192 624. Beason, Jon CAR LB 85.92 4 166 625. Laurinaitis, James STL LB 91.72 7 214 586. Posluszny, Paul JAC LB 92.23 11 226 607. Matthews, Clay GBP LB 98.70 40 217 568. Tulloch, Stephen DET LB 107.00 14 262 569. Lofton, Curtis ATL LB 109.22 17 227 5010. Lewis, Ray BAL LB 111.91 13 294 5511. Greenway, Chad MIN LB 118.51 12 285 5112. Harrison, James PIT LB 123.76 28 265 5513. Johnson, Derrick KCC LB 124.94 16 193 5214. Williams, DJ DEN LB 126.16 18 213 5115. Bishop, Desmond GBP LB 129.02 10 295 25 Hawthorne 177.09
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
There are issues that are more important than comparing Tulloch to Levy. The more important question is when to draft each of them. The only thing that seems etched in stone is that Tulloch is at MLB, Levy at ROLB , and Durant at LOLB. That's all we know. They have tried various combinations in the nickel packages.While it's not etched in stone, I am pretty convinced that Levy will be in the nickel packages. If that holds true, I'd probably rank him as a mid to low LB3. If Tulloch plays every down, he has LB1 potential. Even if Tulloch is a 2 down LB, he may get enough tackles to be a top 25-30 LB. So right now, the decision of who plays in the nickel has huge ramifications for Tulloch. Of course, I must add that nothing is etched in stone, including Levy being in the nickel. I personally feel about 95% certain that Levy will play in the nickel and have already drafted him with that conclusion in mind.'therokie0070 said:The only thing comical is Tillich'Multiple Scores said:
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Strongly disagree.The question isn't so much which linebacker to own, as much as how much more valuable one may be than the other and what tier each belongs in.I think Tulloch v Levy is a very important debate, as is whether Tulloch is a LB2, LB3 or LB4 and whether Levy is a LB3 or LB4.If Tulloch doesn't play in the nickel packages and Levy only plays in certain subpackages, then I won't want either as more than a LB5. Your mileage, of course, may vary.'Multiple Scores said:
blend
Footballguy
Just read a report from the Det News... http://detnews.com/article/20110908/SPORTS0101/109080449/Lions%E2%80%99-Brandon-McDonald-not-happy-with-reduced-role#ixzz1XOwndp5Z
The linebacker rotation remains in flux, as well. In practice Thursday, DeAndre Levy and Bobby Carpenter ran with the first nickel package. Stephen Tulloch and Justin Durant, the starting middle and outside linebacker, were off the field.
The Lions have tried all combinations of linebackers in the nickel.
The linebacker rotation remains in flux, as well. In practice Thursday, DeAndre Levy and Bobby Carpenter ran with the first nickel package. Stephen Tulloch and Justin Durant, the starting middle and outside linebacker, were off the field.
The Lions have tried all combinations of linebackers in the nickel.
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
u guys sold me, Playing Levy in the leagues I have him and Benching Durrant in the others... GL to us all
