DeAngelo Williams-sell high? (1 Viewer)

[Bayhawks]

I had high hopes for DeAngelo Williams this year. However, it appears that his situation is getting worse and worse.

In the rushing matchups analysis by Mark Wimer this morning, while analyzing Dallas' matchup, I read that Carolina lost a 3rd DT for the year (with a 4th being inactive). If Carolina's D continues to play poorly, they could be playing from behind a lot this year, and Williams could lose carries as a result.

With Williams scoring both of the 1st 2 weeks, his FF value is still decent. Would now be the time to trade him for a player with decent value?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Williams is going to be like Steven Jackson - talented enough to put up top 5-10 numbers in any situation. Its hard to imagine the sell high deal that would make it worth parting with him

 

[Bad_Mo]

Unless he somehow loses his ability to catch the ball from Delhomme, I wouldn't consider selling him.

 

[The_U]

Williams is going to be like Steven Jackson - talented enough to put up top 5-10 numbers in any situation. Its hard to imagine the sell high deal that would make it worth parting with him

For the most part I'm going to agree with Bloom here on Williams. I'm not sure I agree with the Jackson comparison as I am no longer sure Steven fits into the "lock to finish in the 5-10 regardless of situation" category but that's a topic for a different thread.To stay on point, I don't think the Panthers are the trainwreck that say a team like the Rams are and despite the Delhomme slide, I don't see them headed to Ramland either. I think DeAngelo has proven to be durable, he's got excellent moves and great ability to find the stripe as we learned well last season and are seeing again in 2009.In discussing the very comparison Bloom made in his post with a Jackson owner just last week when he was lamenting owning Jackson (keeper league) and maybe holding on when he should have tried to sell, I asked him if he could have built a list in the offseason of RBs he was willing to part with Jackson to acquire 1-1 or in a fairly tight package, how many of those guys would there be? Answer = not many. Next question: Of the guys you would trade Jackson for in said arrangement above, how many of those would be realistically available from their owners? Answer = even fewer.My recommendation is to do the same with Williams. Build a list of guys you'd accept for DeAngelo in a trade and see how few there really are. Then take that list to market and see what you can pull off, but I'll guarantee you this, there is no "sell high" on DeAngelo right now. As Bloom said in far fewer words, he's relatively bust proof and I don't see him falling off any cliffs. You're not going to find some player in a trade who is going to make a significant upgrade to Williams at a "sell high" rate unless you're dealing with a lemming.HOLD.

 

[gianmarco]

Unless he somehow loses his ability to catch the ball from Delhomme legs (yes, both of them), I wouldn't consider selling him.

Fixed.

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

In the rushing matchups analysis by Mark Wimer this morning, while analyzing Dallas' matchup, I read that Carolina lost a 3rd DT for the year (with a 4th being inactive). If Carolina's D continues to play poorly, they could be playing from behind a lot this year, and Williams could lose carries as a result.

There's two sides to that.The benefit is that Fox will be running the ball and dinking and dunking to Williams even more to keep the defense fresh and the opposing offenses off the field.

 

[Resident A]

I'm holding.

He's not getting 20 TDs this year & I don't think we'll see a 4 TD game, but I like getting consistent production from my RB1 as opposed to the boom/bust stats many other RB1 types are putting up.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I try to void trading my best players when i am high. I tend to find that I make decisions like you seem inclined to do then.

 

[joffer]

good god no.

 

[Grahamburn]

DeAngelo looks fast, elusive, his vision and offensive line haven't changed, and he plays on a team that wants to run the ball.

If you've watched the games he's been very close to breaking off a few of those patented long runs he had last year.

I wouldn't be looking to move him.

 

[Johnny Ice]

I'm waiting on the Adrian Peterson sell high thread. Everyone else has been covered.

 

[Chaka]

Absolutely and unequivocally YES! Sell him now! I wouldn't even bother with selling him 'high' and I would get rid of him for the first offer someone makes you. In fact you should beg another owner to take him off your hands if not just cut him outright.

Every second you wait is another second that makes the entire fantasy football world think you less American.

Do your civic duty and trade or cut him immediately.

 

[switz]

I had high hopes for DeAngelo Williams this year. However, it appears that his situation is getting worse and worse.

He's still on pace for 16 TDs

 

[3 hour lunch]

Williams is going to be like Steven Jackson - talented enough to put up top 5-10 numbers in any situation. Its hard to imagine the sell high deal that would make it worth parting with him

For the most part I'm going to agree with Bloom here on Williams. I'm not sure I agree with the Jackson comparison as I am no longer sure Steven fits into the "lock to finish in the 5-10 regardless of situation" category but that's a topic for a different thread.To stay on point, I don't think the Panthers are the trainwreck that say a team like the Rams are and despite the Delhomme slide, I don't see them headed to Ramland either. I think DeAngelo has proven to be durable, he's got excellent moves and great ability to find the stripe as we learned well last season and are seeing again in 2009.In discussing the very comparison Bloom made in his post with a Jackson owner just last week when he was lamenting owning Jackson (keeper league) and maybe holding on when he should have tried to sell, I asked him if he could have built a list in the offseason of RBs he was willing to part with Jackson to acquire 1-1 or in a fairly tight package, how many of those guys would there be? Answer = not many. Next question: Of the guys you would trade Jackson for in said arrangement above, how many of those would be realistically available from their owners? Answer = even fewer.My recommendation is to do the same with Williams. Build a list of guys you'd accept for DeAngelo in a trade and see how few there really are. Then take that list to market and see what you can pull off, but I'll guarantee you this, there is no "sell high" on DeAngelo right now. As Bloom said in far fewer words, he's relatively bust proof and I don't see him falling off any cliffs. You're not going to find some player in a trade who is going to make a significant upgrade to Williams at a "sell high" rate unless you're dealing with a lemming.HOLD.

Good post. I'm not sure what you can expect to get for him in a fair trade.

 

[basher]

depends on the deal that could be made ... it would have to be a good one

This team will continue to hitch their wagon to him and SS .... most intelligent teams get the ball to their playmakers when they are playing from behind or in close games.

 

[switz]

depends on the deal that could be made ... it would have to be a good oneThis team will continue to hitch their wagon to him and SS .... most intelligent teams get the ball to their playmakers when they are playing from behind or in close games.

Honestly, IMO DA has nowhere to go but down. But he'll probably have a great game sometime this season, and that's when you should sell high. Not right now.

 

[Bayhawks]

I had high hopes for DeAngelo Williams this year. However, it appears that his situation is getting worse and worse.

He's still on pace for 16 TDs

Yes, I realize this. I don't expect him to score every week, however, & Carolina (as a team) doesn't seem to be heading in the right direction. I appreciate the serious responses. For everyone else-it's a serious question. I've never regarded any player as "untouchable" in a trade. Some players obviously would require MUCH more to get me to trade them, but no one is "untradeable."I also didn't want to make this an assistant coach post, so I didn't post any specifics about what I was thinking. I just wanted to get opinions about DWill. Do people think that the problems in Carolina will prevent him from being a top 5 or top 10 RB? If so, would it be a good idea to try to trade him now, before those problems REALLY start to impact his FF stats?I could probably trade DWill and a crap WR, get an underperforming RB and a top 10 WR in return, but I don't know if I want to do this.

 

[Bayhawks]

depends on the deal that could be made ... it would have to be a good oneThis team will continue to hitch their wagon to him and SS .... most intelligent teams get the ball to their playmakers when they are playing from behind or in close games.

SJax & Holmes for DWill and a crap WR?

 

[switz]

I had high hopes for DeAngelo Williams this year. However, it appears that his situation is getting worse and worse.

He's still on pace for 16 TDs

Yes, I realize this. I don't expect him to score every week, however, & Carolina (as a team) doesn't seem to be heading in the right direction. I appreciate the serious responses. For everyone else-it's a serious question. I've never regarded any player as "untouchable" in a trade. Some players obviously would require MUCH more to get me to trade them, but no one is "untradeable."I also didn't want to make this an assistant coach post, so I didn't post any specifics about what I was thinking. I just wanted to get opinions about DWill. Do people think that the problems in Carolina will prevent him from being a top 5 or top 10 RB? If so, would it be a good idea to try to trade him now, before those problems REALLY start to impact his FF stats?I could probably trade DWill and a crap WR, get an underperforming RB and a top 10 WR in return, but I don't know if I want to do this.

My apologies if you thought my post wasn't serious enough. I think DA is a sell low at this point. I think he'll have an excellent game at some point, and that's when you sell him high. He won't be a good as last year IMO, probably ever again.

 

[JD8p]

Sell high? For what?

I mean...what kind of deal would you make where you felt like you were getting inflated value for him? Odds are, anything you can come up with would likely constitute a deal no sane owner would make.

 

[CMU37484]

Sell high? For what?I mean...what kind of deal would you make where you felt like you were getting inflated value for him? Odds are, anything you can come up with would likely constitute a deal no sane owner would make.

OK, I'll take the opposite approach here......I just BOUGHT him and am giddy about it. I sold Clinton Portis and Devin Hester for him and think that's a steal. Hester's very overrated and I made this trade after Week 1 when Hester scored his TD. As for Portis, was glad to get rid of him as he plays on a terrible offense that simply can't move the ball.I think Portis/Hester for Williams is great value.I think the TD per game pace may slow down but the yardage will go up. He wont come close to what he did last year but he doesn't need to to be a top 5, top 10 fantasy back.

 

[JD8p]

Sell high? For what?I mean...what kind of deal would you make where you felt like you were getting inflated value for him? Odds are, anything you can come up with would likely constitute a deal no sane owner would make.

OK, I'll take the opposite approach here......I just BOUGHT him and am giddy about it. I sold Clinton Portis and Devin Hester for him and think that's a steal. Hester's very overrated and I made this trade after Week 1 when Hester scored his TD. As for Portis, was glad to get rid of him as he plays on a terrible offense that simply can't move the ball.I think Portis/Hester for Williams is great value.I think the TD per game pace may slow down but the yardage will go up. He wont come close to what he did last year but he doesn't need to to be a top 5, top 10 fantasy back.

I think you made a great trade.I would make that deal from your side in a millisecond. Good move.

 

[jah2707]

I still think Stewart is the better back on the team. If williams goes down with an injury or is slowed by one. Stewart takes the job and doesn't look back. my .02

 

[AllVolUT]

I still think Stewart is the better back on the team. If williams goes down with an injury or is slowed by one. Stewart takes the job and doesn't look back. my .02

Nice sig. You ever seen DeAngelo run?

 

[Tanner9919]

I had high hopes for DeAngelo Williams this year. However, it appears that his situation is getting worse and worse. In the rushing matchups analysis by Mark Wimer this morning, while analyzing Dallas' matchup, I read that Carolina lost a 3rd DT for the year (with a 4th being inactive). If Carolina's D continues to play poorly, they could be playing from behind a lot this year, and Williams could lose carries as a result.With Williams scoring both of the 1st 2 weeks, his FF value is still decent. Would now be the time to trade him for a player with decent value?

after he dices and slashes the porous Dallas defense to bits, we'll be saying 'wow, DWill is backkk!'Panthers will ,eventually, sooner or later, get that running game going.Remember last season? it took them nearly 2/3rds of the year before the offense really got in high gear..Dallas can't cover anyone, can't stop anyone...they look like the Rams, defensively speaking, or worse, the Lions..I think if Dwill doesn't post spectacular numbers this weekend, then you begin to worry..as an owner of Dwill, I'm starting him with 100% confidence that this will be his mini breakout party ...patience is a virtue...

 

[Chaka]

I can't believe how many of you people are still holding on to this chump.

SELL! SELL! SELL!!!

 

[Brutis]

I had high hopes for DeAngelo Williams this year. However, it appears that his situation is getting worse and worse. In the rushing matchups analysis by Mark Wimer this morning, while analyzing Dallas' matchup, I read that Carolina lost a 3rd DT for the year (with a 4th being inactive). If Carolina's D continues to play poorly, they could be playing from behind a lot this year, and Williams could lose carries as a result.With Williams scoring both of the 1st 2 weeks, his FF value is still decent. Would now be the time to trade him for a player with decent value?

after he dices and slashes the porous Dallas defense to bits, we'll be saying 'wow, DWill is backkk!'Panthers will ,eventually, sooner or later, get that running game going.Remember last season? it took them nearly 2/3rds of the year before the offense really got in high gear..Dallas can't cover anyone, can't stop anyone...they look like the Rams, defensively speaking, or worse, the Lions..

As a Dallas fan I agree, I have no faith in these guys stopping ANYTHING!! If i had Jake D on any of my rosters I would probably play him this week i have so little faith in that dallas D.

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

I am going to package DWill and CJ and sell them now. I can get LT and Jamal Lewis and Brett Favre and Fred Taylor Those four guys have proven it year in and year out. They are great buy low canidates.

 

[Chaka]

I am going to package DWill and CJ and sell them now. I can get LT and Jamal Lewis and Brett Favre and Fred Taylor Those four guys have proven it year in and year out. They are great buy low canidates.

Better hurry before the other owner sobers up.

 

[Knobs]

I have no problem selling a player while his value is high.

Two questions:

Where did the OP have DeAngelo ranked coming into the season?

Where does the OP have DeAngelo ranked now?

 

[Bayhawks]

I have no problem selling a player while his value is high.Two questions:Where did the OP have DeAngelo ranked coming into the season?Where does the OP have DeAngelo ranked now?

I don't really rank-I use tiers.I had DWill in the top tier. With the sad state of Carolina's team, I'm beginning to think he might be dropping out of that tier.I'm not sure I understand some of the responses in this thread. I wasn't suggesting trading Williams for E. Graham and I. Bruce. I'm wondering if others might consider trading a (pre-season) top tier RB (who they are worried about) for a (pre-season) 2nd tier RB that hasn't been great so far AND a (pre-season) 2nd tier WR who has looked pretty good.

 

[cvnpoka]

I have no problem selling a player while his value is high.Two questions:Where did the OP have DeAngelo ranked coming into the season?Where does the OP have DeAngelo ranked now?

I don't really rank-I use tiers.I had DWill in the top tier. With the sad state of Carolina's team, I'm beginning to think he might be dropping out of that tier.I'm not sure I understand some of the responses in this thread. I wasn't suggesting trading Williams for E. Graham and I. Bruce. I'm wondering if others might consider trading a (pre-season) top tier RB (who they are worried about) for a (pre-season) 2nd tier RB that hasn't been great so far AND a (pre-season) 2nd tier WR who has looked pretty good.

well throw some names out there that you would consider trading dwill straight up for.ill start: AP. mebbe mjd, but proly not. thats it.

 

[spider321]

Worst idea I've heard since the last time Obama made a speech.(which was 5 minutes ago no matter what time you are reading this)

 

[Bayhawks]

well throw some names out there that you would consider trading dwill straight up for.ill start: AP. mebbe mjd, but proly not. thats it.

Agreed, those are the only ones I'd consider in straight up trades. However, I never was thinking about a straight up trade. Some posters just jumped on that idea and started making stupid posts like:

Absolutely and unequivocally YES! Sell him now! I wouldn't even bother with selling him 'high' and I would get rid of him for the first offer someone makes you. In fact you should beg another owner to take him off your hands if not just cut him outright.Every second you wait is another second that makes the entire fantasy football world think you less American.Do your civic duty and trade or cut him immediately.

OR

I can't believe how many of you people are still holding on to this chump.SELL! SELL! SELL!!!

The fact is that every player is tradeable: Some examplesrew Brees is tearing the league up the 1st 2 weeks. Would trading Brees for Gore be a good trade, especially if the Brees owner has P Manning as a back-up QB and Julius Jones and Ryan Grant as his RBs?ORADP is the top RB so far. But if you had Gore, Chris Johnson, and DeAngelo behind him, with Matt Hasselbeck as your starting QB and Dwayne Bowe as your WR2, trading ADP for Rodgers and Andre Johnson wouldn't be a bad trade, would it?You said throw some names out: I did previously: SJax AND S Holmes for DWill and a crap WR like Chris Henry. IMO, that wouldn't be giving DWill away. I'd get a little weaker at RB (although SJax is on a worse offensive team than Williams), but I'd be gaining at WR.

 

[thatguy]

Sell high? For what?I mean...what kind of deal would you make where you felt like you were getting inflated value for him? Odds are, anything you can come up with would likely constitute a deal no sane owner would make.

OK, I'll take the opposite approach here......I just BOUGHT him and am giddy about it. I sold Clinton Portis and Devin Hester for him and think that's a steal. Hester's very overrated and I made this trade after Week 1 when Hester scored his TD. As for Portis, was glad to get rid of him as he plays on a terrible offense that simply can't move the ball.I think Portis/Hester for Williams is great value.I think the TD per game pace may slow down but the yardage will go up. He wont come close to what he did last year but he doesn't need to to be a top 5, top 10 fantasy back.

I think you made a great trade.I would make that deal from your side in a millisecond. Good move.

Agreed. Very good move

 

[thatguy]

DWill has been so consistent on a game to game basis dating back to last season, it would take a very good offer for me to part with him. You mention trading him for SJax and Santonio. On paper, this seems like an okay deal. But I just don't see SJax being nearly as consistent as DWill, so I wouldn't make that trade unless I was extremely weak at WR (rolling out the likes of Royal and S. Moss every week, or something similar). When you have a consistent producer like DWill, you hold onto him unless you get another very consistent producer and then some in return. There are very few players who you can plug into your lineup every week and be fairly certain they'll get you 12 or more points (non-ppr), and DWill is one of those guys. It's these types of players that not only help you win championships, but help ensure you get that far in the first place.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Worst idea I've heard since the last time Obama made a speech.(which was 5 minutes ago no matter what time you are reading this)

Yes, please bring more politics to the Shark Pool. All these folks talking about football gets boring.

 

[Bayhawks]

DWill has been so consistent on a game to game basis dating back to last season, it would take a very good offer for me to part with him. You mention trading him for SJax and Santonio. On paper, this seems like an okay deal. But I just don't see SJax being nearly as consistent as DWill, so I wouldn't make that trade unless I was extremely weak at WR (rolling out the likes of Royal and S. Moss every week, or something similar). When you have a consistent producer like DWill, you hold onto him unless you get another very consistent producer and then some in return. There are very few players who you can plug into your lineup every week and be fairly certain they'll get you 12 or more points (non-ppr), and DWill is one of those guys. It's these types of players that not only help you win championships, but help ensure you get that far in the first place.

Thanks for the reply. To be honest-this is what I was thinking. I wanted to get others' opinions in case I was holding onto Williams because he helped me win my league last year. Like you said, on paper, it looked like a decent trade, but I couldn't convince myself to pull the trigger.

 

[Instinctive]

Worst idea I've heard since the last time Obama made a speech.(which was 5 minutes ago no matter what time you are reading this)

Ok, we must admit that this is great, funny, and true....BUT not in the SP dude. Take it elsewhere. This is football.ANYWAY..................I was thinking the same thing as the OP...am I holding DWill because He and CJ4.24 came out and rippe dmy league last season? I cam eot the conclusion that the onyl guys I would definitely rather have startign for me over DWill, week in and out, are:Adrian PetersonWell that's actually it. But guys I would find very close are Frank Gore, CJ4.24 (because he can score from anywhere...that speed is dazzling and translates well to his game) MJD..........and not much else. So, I'd hold onto him unless he has a huge week when AD has an off one and you can put a top 20 WR with him to upgrade to Peterson.

 

[Chaka]

Agreed, those are the only ones I'd consider in straight up trades. However, I never was thinking about a straight up trade. Some posters just jumped on that idea and started making stupid posts like:

Absolutely and unequivocally YES! Sell him now! I wouldn't even bother with selling him 'high' and I would get rid of him for the first offer someone makes you. In fact you should beg another owner to take him off your hands if not just cut him outright.Every second you wait is another second that makes the entire fantasy football world think you less American.Do your civic duty and trade or cut him immediately.

OR

I can't believe how many of you people are still holding on to this chump.SELL! SELL! SELL!!!

Hey how about some attribution on those quotes please?You forgot

I am going to package DWill and CJ and sell them now. I can get LT and Jamal Lewis and Brett Favre and Fred Taylor Those four guys have proven it year in and year out. They are great buy low canidates.

Better hurry before the other owner sobers up.

Here is a serious response, apparently you could not glean it from my sarcastic ones, you're panicking.DeAngelo has performed well against two tough opponents and particularly well considering how quickly Carolina got down vs the Eagles.Take a deep breath and hold onto the guy that you thought was one of the best players at his position only three weeks ago (or whenever your draft was). Have a little faith in your own rankings (or tiers).

 

[Bayhawks]

Here is a serious response, apparently you could not glean it from my sarcastic ones, you're panicking.

DeAngelo has performed well against two tough opponents and particularly well considering how quickly Carolina got down vs the Eagles.

Take a deep breath and hold onto the guy that you thought was one of the best players at his position only three weeks ago (or whenever your draft was). Have a little faith in your own rankings (or tiers).

How am I panicking? I didn't say Williams sucks-trade him now! I merely asked that with the tough time that Carolina's offense is having, coupled with all the losses that their D-Line has sustained, would it be worth considering trading him? Not giving him up for nothing, but trading him for value.That's not panicking-that's logic. If you think a trade could help your team, then you should do it. Ultimately, I decided not to, because I felt the trade wouldn't help my team as much as holding onto Williams.

Just because someone poses a question about trading a player doesn't mean they're panicking, over-reacting, etc. I was hoping to get others' opinions about DWill and Carolina this year, not wanna-be comedians who would rather try to make funny one-liners than contribute to this thread.

 

[Chaka]

Here is a serious response, apparently you could not glean it from my sarcastic ones, you're panicking.

DeAngelo has performed well against two tough opponents and particularly well considering how quickly Carolina got down vs the Eagles.

Take a deep breath and hold onto the guy that you thought was one of the best players at his position only three weeks ago (or whenever your draft was). Have a little faith in your own rankings (or tiers).

How am I panicking? I didn't say Williams sucks-trade him now! I merely asked that with the tough time that Carolina's offense is having, coupled with all the losses that their D-Line has sustained, would it be worth considering trading him? Not giving him up for nothing, but trading him for value.That's not panicking-that's logic. If you think a trade could help your team, then you should do it. Ultimately, I decided not to, because I felt the trade wouldn't help my team as much as holding onto Williams.

Just because someone poses a question about trading a player doesn't mean they're panicking, over-reacting, etc. I was hoping to get others' opinions about DWill and Carolina this year, not wanna-be comedians who would rather try to make funny one-liners than contribute to this thread.

You have rationalized the move to yourself so go ahead and move him.Two 2nd players for 1 top tier player is apparently a good move for you so do it.

 

[thatguy]

Here is a serious response, apparently you could not glean it from my sarcastic ones, you're panicking.

DeAngelo has performed well against two tough opponents and particularly well considering how quickly Carolina got down vs the Eagles.

Take a deep breath and hold onto the guy that you thought was one of the best players at his position only three weeks ago (or whenever your draft was). Have a little faith in your own rankings (or tiers).

How am I panicking? I didn't say Williams sucks-trade him now! I merely asked that with the tough time that Carolina's offense is having, coupled with all the losses that their D-Line has sustained, would it be worth considering trading him? Not giving him up for nothing, but trading him for value.That's not panicking-that's logic. If you think a trade could help your team, then you should do it. Ultimately, I decided not to, because I felt the trade wouldn't help my team as much as holding onto Williams.

Just because someone poses a question about trading a player doesn't mean they're panicking, over-reacting, etc. I was hoping to get others' opinions about DWill and Carolina this year, not wanna-be comedians who would rather try to make funny one-liners than contribute to this thread.

You have rationalized the move to yourself so go ahead and move him.Two 2nd players for 1 top tier player is apparently a good move for you so do it.

Actually, based on his earlier comments, it seems he's come to the conclusion that the move is a bad idea.

 

[Bayhawks]

Here is a serious response, apparently you could not glean it from my sarcastic ones, you're panicking.

DeAngelo has performed well against two tough opponents and particularly well considering how quickly Carolina got down vs the Eagles.

Take a deep breath and hold onto the guy that you thought was one of the best players at his position only three weeks ago (or whenever your draft was). Have a little faith in your own rankings (or tiers).

How am I panicking? I didn't say Williams sucks-trade him now! I merely asked that with the tough time that Carolina's offense is having, coupled with all the losses that their D-Line has sustained, would it be worth considering trading him? Not giving him up for nothing, but trading him for value.That's not panicking-that's logic. If you think a trade could help your team, then you should do it. Ultimately, I decided not to, because I felt the trade wouldn't help my team as much as holding onto Williams.

Just because someone poses a question about trading a player doesn't mean they're panicking, over-reacting, etc. I was hoping to get others' opinions about DWill and Carolina this year, not wanna-be comedians who would rather try to make funny one-liners than contribute to this thread.

You have rationalized the move to yourself so go ahead and move him.Two 2nd players for 1 top tier player is apparently a good move for you so do it.

No offense, but do you have a reading problem? I clearly said that I decided not to trade him because the trade wouldn't improve my team. How could you possibly construe that as me rationalizing this trade as a good move for me?Seriously-if you don't have anything of value to contribute to a thread, why don't you just refrain from posting? Sarcastic comments and posts that aren't on-topic merely clutter the threads and the boards.

 

[Tau837]

Williams is going to be like Steven Jackson - talented enough to put up top 5-10 numbers in any situation. Its hard to imagine the sell high deal that would make it worth parting with him

This was really all that needed to be said. Bayhawks, consider:1. It's been two games. Two games.2. The first game was not a good rushing game for Williams. Williams had 14/37/1 rushing, just 2.64 ypc. However, the Panthers were down by 24 points before the end of the second quarter, and that certainly had something to do with it. He rebounded with a much better performance in game 2, 16/79/1, up to 4.94 ypc. I don't see any reason to be concerned at all... essentially he has had just one poor game, and there were extenuating circumstances for that game.3. Compare this season's start to how he started and finished last season:1st 4 games: 55/201/0 rushing (3.65 ypc), 6/24/0 receiving on 7 targetsLast 12 games: 219/1317/18 rushing (6.01 ypc), 16/97/2 receiving on 23 targetsThis year, Williams is getting more carries, averaging more ypc, scoring more TDs, and getting more looks in the passing game than he did early last year.In particular, he has performed well as a receiver, averaging more than 10 ypr. It may not continue, but at this point he is on pace for 56/594 receiving, compared to just 22/121 last season. And it is worth noting that he showed good ability as a receiver in 2006 & 2007, so last year's receiving performance isn't necessarily indicative of his ability as a receiver.I'm looking to acquire him in leagues that I don't already own him.

 

[footballnerd]

Sell high? For what?I mean...what kind of deal would you make where you felt like you were getting inflated value for him? Odds are, anything you can come up with would likely constitute a deal no sane owner would make.

OK, I'll take the opposite approach here......I just BOUGHT him and am giddy about it. I sold Clinton Portis and Devin Hester for him and think that's a steal. Hester's very overrated and I made this trade after Week 1 when Hester scored his TD. As for Portis, was glad to get rid of him as he plays on a terrible offense that simply can't move the ball.I think Portis/Hester for Williams is great value.I think the TD per game pace may slow down but the yardage will go up. He wont come close to what he did last year but he doesn't need to to be a top 5, top 10 fantasy back.

I think you made a great trade.I would make that deal from your side in a millisecond. Good move.

Agreed. Very good move

Man I have both Hester and Portis and I doubt I can pull that off in my league. Hopefully Portis plays this week and has a good game so I can try.

 

[Bayhawks]

Williams is going to be like Steven Jackson - talented enough to put up top 5-10 numbers in any situation. Its hard to imagine the sell high deal that would make it worth parting with him

This was really all that needed to be said.

I agree with what Bloom said-that is why I considered the trade I was offered. I would have gotten SJax AND S Holmes for DWill and a throw in WR

Bayhawks, consider:1. It's been two games. Two games.2. The first game was not a good rushing game for Williams. Williams had 14/37/1 rushing, just 2.64 ypc. However, the Panthers were down by 24 points before the end of the second quarter, and that certainly had something to do with it. He rebounded with a much better performance in game 2, 16/79/1, up to 4.94 ypc. I don't see any reason to be concerned at all... essentially he has had just one poor game, and there were extenuating circumstances for that game.3. Compare this season's start to how he started and finished last season:1st 4 games: 55/201/0 rushing (3.65 ypc), 6/24/0 receiving on 7 targetsLast 12 games: 219/1317/18 rushing (6.01 ypc), 16/97/2 receiving on 23 targetsThis year, Williams is getting more carries, averaging more ypc, scoring more TDs, and getting more looks in the passing game than he did early last year.In particular, he has performed well as a receiver, averaging more than 10 ypr. It may not continue, but at this point he is on pace for 56/594 receiving, compared to just 22/121 last season. And it is worth noting that he showed good ability as a receiver in 2006 & 2007, so last year's receiving performance isn't necessarily indicative of his ability as a receiver.I'm looking to acquire him in leagues that I don't already own him.

Essentially the reason I chose not to trade him. Thanks for the reply.

 

[healthpellets]

Seeing the sad state of affairs that was the Carolina offense after week 1, i made a move for DWill and it worked out. I gave Kevin Smith / Reggie Bush / Royal / Cooley and got back DWill / Olsen. Now, the Olsen part of the deal hasn't worked out...yet. And some will say I gave too much. But since we can only start 2 RBs (and my other is Gore) and my 3 WRs are AJ / Calvin / Colston, I figured I could deal some depth to get a quality every week starter. I'll trade as many bench players as it takes to get a real quality starter.

There is no better feeling that knowing that without an injury, you don't have to rotate your starters for matchups. No better feeling in the world. And that's the kind of player I feel like DWill is. He provides stability.