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By Len Pasquarelli

ESPN.com

4/19

Built like a quarter horse but employed as a workhorse, tailback DeAngelo Williams averaged 22.1 carries per game during his celebrated four-year tenure at the University of Memphis. He registered 30 or more rushes in 10 of 23 outings in his final two years, but missed only three contests due to injuries.

So at just 5-foot-9 and 212 pounds, can a guy with the low-slung physique of, well, a fire hydrant provide a spark for the rushing attack of some NFL franchise in desperate need of a top-shelf runner? Just as critical, can the durable Williams, who played in 44 college games and finished his career as the all-time Division I-A leader in all-purpose real estate (7,337 yards), hold up over the rigors of an NFL season?

DeAngelo Williams rushed for 1,959 yards last season for Memphis.Arguably the best running back in the 2006 draft that most serious fans have never even seen play, and a virtual unknown to casual observers, Williams doesn't see why not.

"Sure, I think I can do it, and I'm prepared to do it," said Williams, who could be the second tailback taken in the first round, after Southern California star and Heisman Trophy winner Reggie Bush is selected early in the proceedings. "I mean, the football isn't any heavier in the NFL, is it?"

No, but then again, Williams isn't especially big, either. The thing is, though, his skills are big-time. And there are scouts who rate Williams, almost as universally respected off the field as he is on it, as the best pure runner in the 2006 talent pool. Bush is certainly an electrifying talent, a touchdown waiting to happen, a player who can get the crowd on its feet. But the ever-productive Williams, who ranked among the nation's top five rushers in each of his final three college seasons, can do some things with his own feet that will get him into the secondary, and the end zone.

In his case, good things can come in small packages, although Williams isn't exactly an undersized back.

"He's kind of what everyone is looking for now, the guy who zips around like an expensive little sports-car model, built low to the ground, [with] great handling and quick moves," said San Francisco 49ers coach Mike Nolan, who coached the South squad for which Williams played in the Senior Bowl college all-star game three months ago.

Indeed, size should not be much of a factor in analyzing Williams, whose low center of gravity, balance, vision and instinct should make him an instant success in a league where his kind of build is becoming the norm at the tailback position. Sure, there are teams and offenses that still prefer the big back who can slam the ball between the tackle, the human wrecking ball who physically erodes defenses. But consider this: The average size of the top 10 NFL rushers in 2005 was 5-10¼ and 214.8 pounds.

The league is being taken over by more compact tailbacks such as the New York Giants' Tiki Barber, Dallas' Julius Jones, Pittsburgh's Willie Parker and Atlanta's Warrick Dunn.

Said Nolan of Williams: "Hey, he's not a small man, not by any means. He's just not a tall man, that's all."

Williams has actually dropped a few pounds in the offseason, after playing his senior season at 218 pounds, a weight at which he acknowledged he felt sluggish. And he has noted, as he meets more NFL tailbacks, that they are more of his ilk sizewise -- he can look most of them square in the eye.

"I don't want to say the big back is extinct in the NFL, but look around, and what do you see?" Williams said. "You see a lot of runners now in that 205- to 210-pound range. And you see guys who can do a lot of different things. Me, I don't really try to describe my style, because that limits you in your own mind. My game is instinctive. People say to me, 'DeAngelo, what do you feel when you're running, man? What do you hear when you score a touchdown?' Well, you don't feel or hear anything, because you're just reacting. I do what works for me, given the situation, and I don't ever try to explain it."

He doesn't need to, because the numbers that Williams rang up in four years at Memphis speak volumes for what he accomplished there and define just how productive a runner he has been. He carried 969 times for 6,026 yards and 55 touchdowns, and added 70 catches for 723 yards and five scores. His 34 games of 100 yards or more tie him with former Heisman Trophy winners Tony Dorsett and Archie Griffin for the most in a career. Williams registered nine outings with 200 or more yards, three with 250-plus yards. His 6,026 rushing yards are the fourth-most in Division I-A history.

But let's put his rushing yards in even more perspective for this year's draft: Williams has an edge of more than 2,000 yards over every other top-ranked tailback in the 2006 pool. His rushing total is just 302 yards less than the combined rushing yards of Bush and fellow Southern Cal tailback LenDale White.

Taking nothing away from any of the other premier backs in this year's draft, but none of them can touch his numbers, and few of them are as good a pure runner. Of seven personnel directors or general managers surveyed this week, five listed Williams as the No. 2 tailback prospect in this year's draft.

Tennessee Titans general manager Floyd Reese, whose team met recently with Williams, compared him to San Diego Chargers star LaDainian Tomlinson. That was humbling for Williams, but the Memphis star is not inclined to liken his game to that of anyone else, or to emulate another player's style. The tailback he most watched when he was growing up was Texas' Ricky Williams, to whom he is not related. But he never found himself keeping track of Ricky Williams' rushing totals at Texas. Instead, he tabulated the number of defenders' collarbones that Williams snapped during his Longhorns career.

That should tell the scouts something about DeAngelo Williams' toughness as a runner.

"I'm not saying that I want to hurt people, but I do think I run with power," said Williams, who has been clocked at 4.45 seconds in the 40. "But I also run smart. You don't have to hit a home run every time at the plate. The thing we stressed at Memphis is to run for first downs, to keep drives alive, that eight first downs is the same as an 80-yard run. They always told me, 'Live to play the next game.' So while I don't try to avoid contact, never, I think, instinctively, I know how to not take as many big hits. You take six or eight big hits a game and, the next thing you know, your legs are gone. That's why running backs have such short career expectancies. I want to play 12-13 years, not just five or six. I'd like to be around for a while."

Sticking around is something Williams has become adept at. He nearly left Memphis after his junior season, when he broke his leg in a bowl game, and scouts told him he would still be a first-round choice. But Williams loves the college game and the native of Little Rock, Ark., loves his adopted hometown of Memphis as well.

"Take away the football, the celebrity stuff, and I'd still want to be here," Williams said. "It has everything I want. When I'm done with football, I'll still live here, because it's a great place for me."

Williams has done his share to make it a better place. He has been lauded for his charitable endeavors in the community. Twice Williams has won scholar-athlete awards from bowl games he appeared in. Last year, a national foundation honored him for his combined accomplishments as a player, student and good sportsman. Next month, Williams will earn his degree in marketing management.

There is, Williams allowed, a natural passion about him, a self-motivational force that drives him in every challenge he accepts.

"A lot of players, they just perform when the lights come on, you know?" Williams said. "I want to be good even when no one is watching, no matter what it is I'm doing."

 
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Williams is a class act and an explosive, smart runner. I like that he knows how to take care of himself in terms of getting hit, yet he can still grind out for major yardage and TD's. The article also makes a great point about Williams being the typical size of a productive NFL rusher.

You also gotta love the comparison to LT2.

He'd be the top pick in any of the recent drafts, and is the clear #2 in this year's draft, though far closer in talent to Bush than most people think, IMHO. :thumbup:

 
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so where would you compare Williams to guys like Ronnie Brown and Caddy in terms of talent and ability?

 
He's about equal. Last year the quality at other positions wasnt as high though. So Williams will likely fall later than those guys.

 
so where would you compare Williams to guys like Ronnie Brown and Caddy in terms of talent and ability?
If William's gets into a situation where he's the primary ball carrier, I think that he ca and should exceed the production of both. He's got Brown's speed and hands, and Caddy's strength and moves, with a consistancy and an instinctive running ability that neither have (granted that's from seeing college footage, so he's got plenty to prove at the NFL level).If Williams can run in the NFL as effectively as he did in college (and I think his running style translates well into the next level), I really don't see a ceiling for his value. In such a case, the LT2 comparison made by the Titan's management would be valid.

 
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so where would you compare Williams to guys like Ronnie Brown and Caddy in terms of talent and ability?
Agreed with the others, he's an equal talent.
Interesting...I thought I had been reading around here that he was too small and not a full time back...did I imagine that?
 
so where would you compare Williams to guys like Ronnie Brown and Caddy in terms of talent and ability?
Agreed with the others, he's an equal talent.
Interesting...I thought I had been reading around here that he was too small and not a full time back...did I imagine that?
Some have said that. The only concern I have about him is that he seems to like to bounce runs to the outside a lot. More than he will be able to get away with on Sundays. Still, he's got the makeup to evolve as a player and I think he'll balance his game between the inside and outside.
 
Interesting...I thought I had been reading around here that he was too small and not a full time back...did I imagine that?
That's what a lot of the bad press articles are trying to say with most of the low draft grades equated to his height and durability. A lot of us around here have actually supported his size as near ideal.
 
The only concern I have about him is that he seems to like to bounce runs to the outside a lot. More than he will be able to get away with on Sundays. Still, he's got the makeup to evolve as a player and I think he'll balance his game between the inside and outside.
I think that alot of his TDs and long runs came on busted plays where he bounced outside and made something from nothing. But I would bet that, if you watched him throughout a given game (he averaged over 20 carries a game for his career), you'd also see those grind-it-out carries up the middle... the nice runs that don't make the highlight reel.Anyone catch any Memphis games that can say either way? :unsure:

 
also, many question his durability
From the first paragraph of the article:He registered 30 or more rushes in 10 of 23 outings in his final two years, but missed only three contests due to injuries.

Sounds like he's had a Cedric Benson-like workload without missing much time at all. Apparantly, he can play through minor injuries and avoid major ones.

 
also, many question his durability
From the first paragraph of the article:He registered 30 or more rushes in 10 of 23 outings in his final two years, but missed only three contests due to injuries.

Sounds like he's had a Cedric Benson-like workload without missing much time at all. Apparantly, he can play through minor injuries and avoid major ones.
He did have a major leg injury at the end of 2004, but was back in top form from the word go in 2005. He got dinged up and missed the Tennessee game in 2005.
 
so where would you compare Williams to guys like Ronnie Brown and Caddy in terms of talent and ability?
I've stood by my grade of DeAngelo and Caddy for months. I think they grade about the same.
 
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't there also the incredible stat of him not fumbling his entire collegiate career?

 
why do people question the durability of a player who holds the career record for all-purpose yards? doesn't make much sense to me. this kid will be a superstud, IMO.

 
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't there also the incredible stat of him not fumbling his entire collegiate career?
You are correct. 4 year starter and never fumbled once.... I would love to see him on the niners but they need Def with the 22nd pick...
 
so where would you compare Williams to guys like Ronnie Brown and Caddy in terms of talent and ability?
I'd put him far below Caddy and a decent amount below Brown.
 
so where would you compare Williams to guys like Ronnie Brown and Caddy in terms of talent and ability?
I'd put him far below Caddy and a decent amount below Brown.
I agree with Caddy being ranked slightly higher in terms of talent/ability, but I think he has much larger durability questions. I think DeAngelo is a significantly more talented runner than Ronnie Brown.
 
so where would you compare Williams to guys like Ronnie Brown and Caddy in terms of talent and ability?
I'd put him far below Caddy and a decent amount below Brown.
I'm really trying to get a good read on this guy but opinions seem very mixed...EBF, why so much lower?
 
so where would you compare Williams to guys like Ronnie Brown and Caddy in terms of talent and ability?
I'd put him far below Caddy and a decent amount below Brown.
I agree with Caddy being ranked slightly higher in terms of talent/ability, but I think he has much larger durability questions. I think DeAngelo is a significantly more talented runner than Ronnie Brown.
One of my concerns with Williams is his build. I know he showed up at the combine weighing over 215, but he looks like a little kid out there on the field during games. He only weighed in at 207 at his pro day and I wonder if he's capable of running with enough power to be an above average starter.You might argue that the same applies to Bush, but I think he has a much better build with more growth potential and, quite frankly, he's a much better athlete than Williams.

I never much liked Ronnie Brown and felt that he was a somewhat awkward runner, but he has a better build and was productive against tougher competition.

As for Caddy, he seems to have bulked up a bit. More importantly, he seemed to have much more of a "wow" factor than I've ever gotten from DeAngelo. Caddy makes some runs that leave you shaking your head, but I've never really seen that from DeAngelo.

Anyhow, I realize that size isn't extremely important for RBs. My concerns with Williams mostly stem from my overall feeling that he just isn't very impressive during games and that his style doesn't translate very well to the NFL.

 
also, many question his durability
From the first paragraph of the article:He registered 30 or more rushes in 10 of 23 outings in his final two years, but missed only three contests due to injuries.

Sounds like he's had a Cedric Benson-like workload without missing much time at all. Apparantly, he can play through minor injuries and avoid major ones.
hmmm Cecric Benson was injured last year, right when he was starting to do well . . .
 
I like Williams' potential, but after reading that--you just sort of have to root for the guy to do well, too. Love that attitude. Sort of an "Emmitt-esque" deameanor?

 
One of my concerns with Williams is his build. I know he showed up at the combine weighing over 215, but he looks like a little kid out there on the field during games. He only weighed in at 207 at his pro day and I wonder if he's capable of running with enough power to be an above average starter.

You might argue that the same applies to Bush, but I think he has a much better build with more growth potential and, quite frankly, he's a much better athlete than Williams.

I never much liked Ronnie Brown and felt that he was a somewhat awkward runner, but he has a better build and was productive against tougher competition.

As for Caddy, he seems to have bulked up a bit. More importantly, he seemed to have much more of a "wow" factor than I've ever gotten from DeAngelo. Caddy makes some runs that leave you shaking your head, but I've never really seen that from DeAngelo.

Anyhow, I realize that size isn't extremely important for RBs. My concerns with Williams mostly stem from my overall feeling that he just isn't very impressive during games and that his style doesn't translate very well to the NFL.
I'm not sure that Bush is a "much better" athlete than Williams. Bush's virticle jump is out of this world, but otherwise the two are not that far apart.

As far as "wow factor" goes, I suppose that's somewhat valid, but Williams does have a very impressive highlight film, with lots of nifty runs and explosive cuts.

 
also, many question his durability
From the first paragraph of the article:He registered 30 or more rushes in 10 of 23 outings in his final two years, but missed only three contests due to injuries.

Sounds like he's had a Cedric Benson-like workload without missing much time at all. Apparantly, he can play through minor injuries and avoid major ones.
hmmm Cecric Benson was injured last year, right when he was starting to do well . . .
I was referring to Benson's workload while in college, which was very heavy.
 
so where would you compare Williams to guys like Ronnie Brown and Caddy in terms of talent and ability?
I'd put him far below Caddy and a decent amount below Brown.
You got that backwards. Williams is far superior to either of them.
In all likelihood, he would've been the fourth RB drafted last year if he had stayed healthy and entered the draft. I realize that draft position isn't a perfect indicator of talent, but if Williams is truly superior to two guys who went in the top 5 of the NFL draft then why doesn't his draft profile indicate as much? Why was he considered the fourth best back last year? Why isn't he considered a realistic possibility for the top ten this year?
 
Fantasy football question here - is Deangelo a clear-cut 1.02? .... assuming the Colts draft a waterboy in the first round.

 
so where would you compare Williams to guys like Ronnie Brown and Caddy in terms of talent and ability?
I'd put him far below Caddy and a decent amount below Brown.
You got that backwards. Williams is far superior to either of them.
In all likelihood, he would've been the fourth RB drafted last year if he had stayed healthy and entered the draft. I realize that draft position isn't a perfect indicator of talent, but if Williams is truly superior to two guys who went in the top 5 of the NFL draft then why doesn't his draft profile indicate as much? Why was he considered the fourth best back last year? Why isn't he considered a realistic possibility for the top ten this year?
where do you think Alex Smith would go in this year's draft?
 
I'm not sure that Bush is a "much better" athlete than Williams. Bush's virticle jump is out of this world, but otherwise the two are not that far apart.
I think he's faster, quicker, stronger, more explosive, and that he has better balance. It's tough to prove most of these things, but I think their highlights speak for themselves:DeAngelo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRYXwXxVHrQ...gelo%20williams

Bush - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7YoHeZWMqo...h=reggie%20bush

I think Bush clearly looks better on film. He makes a handful of plays that leave you shaking your head, whereas most of Williams' runs are merely solid.

 
so where would you compare Williams to guys like Ronnie Brown and Caddy in terms of talent and ability?
I'd put him far below Caddy and a decent amount below Brown.
You got that backwards. Williams is far superior to either of them.
In all likelihood, he would've been the fourth RB drafted last year if he had stayed healthy and entered the draft. I realize that draft position isn't a perfect indicator of talent, but if Williams is truly superior to two guys who went in the top 5 of the NFL draft then why doesn't his draft profile indicate as much? Why was he considered the fourth best back last year? Why isn't he considered a realistic possibility for the top ten this year?
where do you think Alex Smith would go in this year's draft?
Last year's class was devoid of franchise QBs. What does that have to do with anything? The important point is that DeAngelo Williams was generally considered the fourth best prospect among last year's RBs and now people are acting like he's clearly a better player than Brown and Cadillac (who both went in the top five). If Williams is truly such an exceptional talent, then why isn't anyone talking about him as a realistic possibility in the top ten?

 
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Fantasy football question here - is Deangelo a clear-cut 1.02? .... assuming the Colts draft a waterboy in the first round.
Not in my book. Right now, I have him at 1.05, but it's extremely close between him and the other two second tier backs (Maroney and White). All three are players are flawed in some way or another. White lacks explosiveness and has a questionable work ethic. Maroney is lanky and may have been a product of a system. Williams lacks power and is not as impressive in games as I had hoped.
 
Fantasy football question here - is Deangelo a clear-cut 1.02? .... assuming the Colts draft a waterboy in the first round.
Not in my book. Right now, I have him at 1.05, but it's extremely close between him and the other two second tier backs (Maroney and White). All three are players are flawed in some way or another. White lacks explosiveness and has a questionable work ethic. Maroney is lanky and may have been a product of a system. Williams lacks power and is not as impressive in games as I had hoped.
Huh! 1.05? How in the world can you rank 4 guys ahead of him and who exactly are they?
 
Fantasy football question here - is Deangelo a clear-cut 1.02? .... assuming the Colts draft a waterboy in the first round.
Not in my book. Right now, I have him at 1.05, but it's extremely close between him and the other two second tier backs (Maroney and White). All three are players are flawed in some way or another. White lacks explosiveness and has a questionable work ethic. Maroney is lanky and may have been a product of a system. Williams lacks power and is not as impressive in games as I had hoped.
Huh! 1.05? How in the world can you rank 4 guys ahead of him and who exactly are they?
1. Reggie Bush - Clear cut #1. Worth the hype and easily the best skill position player in the draft. A top ten pick in PPR dynasty leagues. 2. LenDale White - This is a tentative ranking. White lacks explosiveness and will never be a big play threat, but I think he can be a productive Stephen Davis type in a system such as Carolina's or Pittsburgh's.

3. Laurence Maroney - He's not as quick laterally as Williams, but he has a bigger frame and looks more like an NFL starter to me. Reminds me of Deuce McAllister, but lacks the great size and receiving skills.

4. Vernon Davis - TEs are worth a lot less than RBs in most fantasy leagues, but Davis is a better prospect than Williams.

5. DeAngelo Williams - Looks like a safe bet when you consider combine performance, career production, and pedigree. Nevertheless, I just can't shake this feeling that there's something missing. Reminds me a bit of JJ Arrington in a few ways.

Anyhow, let me be clear in saying that the gap between Williams and White is very slim in my mind. After Bush, I see a big dropoff. None of the other guys stands out as a bulletproof prospect. I rank Williams fourth among RBs at the moment, but I may eventually move him up and I wouldn't be surprised if he became a successful pro. I just don't think he's the lock that a lot of people are making him out to me.

 
Fantasy football question here - is Deangelo a clear-cut 1.02? .... assuming the Colts draft a waterboy in the first round.
Not in my book. Right now, I have him at 1.05, but it's extremely close between him and the other two second tier backs (Maroney and White). All three are players are flawed in some way or another. White lacks explosiveness and has a questionable work ethic. Maroney is lanky and may have been a product of a system. Williams lacks power and is not as impressive in games as I had hoped.
Huh! 1.05? How in the world can you rank 4 guys ahead of him and who exactly are they?
1. Reggie Bush - Clear cut #1. Worth the hype and easily the best skill position player in the draft. A top ten pick in PPR dynasty leagues. 2. LenDale White - This is a tentative ranking. White lacks explosiveness and will never be a big play threat, but I think he can be a productive Stephen Davis type in a system such as Carolina's or Pittsburgh's.

3. Laurence Maroney - He's not as quick laterally as Williams, but he has a bigger frame and looks more like an NFL starter to me. Reminds me of Deuce McAllister, but lacks the great size and receiving skills.

4. Vernon Davis - TEs are worth a lot less than RBs in most fantasy leagues, but Davis is a better prospect than Williams.

5. DeAngelo Williams - Looks like a safe bet when you consider combine performance, career production, and pedigree. Nevertheless, I just can't shake this feeling that there's something missing. Reminds me a bit of JJ Arrington in a few ways.

Anyhow, let me be clear in saying that the gap between Williams and White is very slim in my mind. After Bush, I see a big dropoff. None of the other guys stands out as a bulletproof prospect. I rank Williams fourth among RBs at the moment, but I may eventually move him up and I wouldn't be surprised if he became a successful pro. I just don't think he's the lock that a lot of people are making him out to me.
There is not and should not be a single draft in the country in which Davis goes ahead of Williams or ANY of the top 4 RBs.
 
Fantasy football question here - is Deangelo a clear-cut 1.02? .... assuming the Colts draft a waterboy in the first round.
Not in my book. Right now, I have him at 1.05, but it's extremely close between him and the other two second tier backs (Maroney and White). All three are players are flawed in some way or another. White lacks explosiveness and has a questionable work ethic. Maroney is lanky and may have been a product of a system. Williams lacks power and is not as impressive in games as I had hoped.
Huh! 1.05? How in the world can you rank 4 guys ahead of him and who exactly are they?
1. Reggie Bush - Clear cut #1. Worth the hype and easily the best skill position player in the draft. A top ten pick in PPR dynasty leagues. 2. LenDale White - This is a tentative ranking. White lacks explosiveness and will never be a big play threat, but I think he can be a productive Stephen Davis type in a system such as Carolina's or Pittsburgh's.

3. Laurence Maroney - He's not as quick laterally as Williams, but he has a bigger frame and looks more like an NFL starter to me. Reminds me of Deuce McAllister, but lacks the great size and receiving skills.

4. Vernon Davis - TEs are worth a lot less than RBs in most fantasy leagues, but Davis is a better prospect than Williams.

5. DeAngelo Williams - Looks like a safe bet when you consider combine performance, career production, and pedigree. Nevertheless, I just can't shake this feeling that there's something missing. Reminds me a bit of JJ Arrington in a few ways.

Anyhow, let me be clear in saying that the gap between Williams and White is very slim in my mind. After Bush, I see a big dropoff. None of the other guys stands out as a bulletproof prospect. I rank Williams fourth among RBs at the moment, but I may eventually move him up and I wouldn't be surprised if he became a successful pro. I just don't think he's the lock that a lot of people are making him out to me.
There is not and should not be a single draft in the country in which Davis goes ahead of Williams or ANY of the top 4 RBs.
Who is more likely to be a Pro Bowler three years from now? Vernon Davis or DeAngelo Williams? Sometimes it's wise to take the sure thing. Heath Miller has a higher ADP than JJ Arrington. That's only one example, but my point is that in dynasty drafts, you sometimes have to consider whether a guy has the special skills needed to make a lasting impact.

TEs may not be as valuable as RBs, but Vernon Davis is a much better TE prospect than DeAngelo Williams is a RB prospect. Each year brings us a handful of RBs with mid-late first round grades or better. How often do we see a TE who gets consideration in the top 5?

 
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Fantasy football question here - is Deangelo a clear-cut 1.02? .... assuming the Colts draft a waterboy in the first round.
Not in my book. Right now, I have him at 1.05, but it's extremely close between him and the other two second tier backs (Maroney and White). All three are players are flawed in some way or another. White lacks explosiveness and has a questionable work ethic. Maroney is lanky and may have been a product of a system. Williams lacks power and is not as impressive in games as I had hoped.
Huh! 1.05? How in the world can you rank 4 guys ahead of him and who exactly are they?
1. Reggie Bush - Clear cut #1. Worth the hype and easily the best skill position player in the draft. A top ten pick in PPR dynasty leagues. 2. LenDale White - This is a tentative ranking. White lacks explosiveness and will never be a big play threat, but I think he can be a productive Stephen Davis type in a system such as Carolina's or Pittsburgh's.

3. Laurence Maroney - He's not as quick laterally as Williams, but he has a bigger frame and looks more like an NFL starter to me. Reminds me of Deuce McAllister, but lacks the great size and receiving skills.

4. Vernon Davis - TEs are worth a lot less than RBs in most fantasy leagues, but Davis is a better prospect than Williams.

5. DeAngelo Williams - Looks like a safe bet when you consider combine performance, career production, and pedigree. Nevertheless, I just can't shake this feeling that there's something missing. Reminds me a bit of JJ Arrington in a few ways.

Anyhow, let me be clear in saying that the gap between Williams and White is very slim in my mind. After Bush, I see a big dropoff. None of the other guys stands out as a bulletproof prospect. I rank Williams fourth among RBs at the moment, but I may eventually move him up and I wouldn't be surprised if he became a successful pro. I just don't think he's the lock that a lot of people are making him out to me.
There is not and should not be a single draft in the country in which Davis goes ahead of Williams or ANY of the top 4 RBs.
Who is more likely to be a Pro Bowler three years from now? Vernon Davis or DeAngelo Williams? Sometimes it's wise to take the sure thing. Heath Miller has a higher ADP than JJ Arrington. That's only one example, but my point is that in dynasty drafts, you sometimes have to consider whether a guy has the special skills needed to make a lasting impact.

TEs may not be as valuable as RBs, but Vernon Davis is a much better TE prospect than DeAngelo Williams is a RB prospect. Each year brings us a handful of RBs with mid-late first round grades or better. How often do we see a TE who gets consideration in the top 5?
Your interpretation of what kind of prospect Williams is is way off if you are comapring him to Arrington I'm afraid. That is the route of our disagreement.
 
Your interpretation of what kind of prospect Williams is is way off if you are comapring him to Arrington I'm afraid. That is the route of our disagreement.
I'm only saying that he reminds me of Arrington in the sense that he's not as impressive in games as you expect when you consider his production and his combine performance.
 
Last year's class was devoid of franchise QBs. What does that have to do with anything?

The important point is that DeAngelo Williams was generally considered the fourth best prospect among last year's RBs and now people are acting like he's clearly a better player than Brown and Cadillac (who both went in the top five). If Williams is truly such an exceptional talent, then why isn't anyone talking about him as a realistic possibility in the top ten?
OK. Let me ask the question another way. Where do you think Brown, Benson, and Caddy would go in this year's draft?HINT: I don't think they'd crack this year's top 10 either.

BTW, I don't see (m)any people arguing that he's a "clearly better" player than Caddy or Brown. Most people think Caddy is the most talented of the bunch and he was the 3rd RB drafted last year. So, I'm not sure why you are harping on where DeAngelo ranks compared to everyone else. They all are pretty close to one another, IMO.

 
Fantasy football question here - is Deangelo a clear-cut 1.02? .... assuming the Colts draft a waterboy in the first round.
Not in my book. Right now, I have him at 1.05, but it's extremely close between him and the other two second tier backs (Maroney and White). All three are players are flawed in some way or another. White lacks explosiveness and has a questionable work ethic. Maroney is lanky and may have been a product of a system. Williams lacks power and is not as impressive in games as I had hoped.
for me, absolutely. DeAngelo is much better than Maroney or White, IMO and has top-10 potential.
 
OK. Let me ask the question another way. Where do you think Brown, Benson, and Caddy would go in this year's draft?
It's impossible to say, but I think they'd warrant consideration at 1.04, 1.05, 1.06, 1.12, 1.14, and 1.15. I expect Williams to go 1.12 at the earliest, with 1.21, 1.22, 1.25, 1.28, 1.29, and 1.30 seeming like the most realistic possibilities.
 
He's about equal. Last year the quality at other positions wasnt as high though. So Williams will likely fall later than those guys.
I have never seen Williams play but everything I read has me agreeing with this 100%.
 
Reminds me a bit of JJ Arrington in a few ways.
:X I think that's a horrible comparison.
Williams definitely flashes more quickness and he had a much better week at the Senior Bowl, but other than that their numbers are surprisingly similar. Height

Arrington - 5'8.7"

Williams - 5'9"

Weight

Arrington - 214

Williams - 214

Bench Press Reps

Arrington - 18

Williams - 25

Vertical Jump

Arrington - 35"

Williams - 35.5"

Broad Jump

Arrington - 10'1" best

Williams - 10'1" best

Three Cone Drill

Arrington - 6.81 s

Williams - 6.57 s *

Short Shuttle

Arrington - 4.10 s

Williams - 4.10 s *

Long Shuttle

Arrington - 11.07 s

Williams - 10.61 s *

40 Yard Dash

Arrington - 4.48 s

Williams - 4.44 s *

* denotes a result from Williams' pro day, where he only weighed 207 pounds. All of the other results for both players are from their combine performances.

As you can see, there doesn't seem to a big difference in raw physical measurables. They're almost exactly the same size with very similar raw performance numbers across the board. Williams has a big edge in the long shuttle and three cone drill, but it's important to note that he achieved these results minus seven pounds from his combine weight of 214.

As far as game performance goes, here are some numbers:

Senior Rushing Totals

Arrington - 289 carries for 2,018 yards (7.0 YPC) and 15 TDs

Williams - 309 carries for 1,959 yards (6.3 YPC) and 18 TDs

Arrington had more rushing yards and a higher YPC in a tougher conference. He almost certainly had a better coaching staff and supporting cast than Williams, but the fact remains that their production was very similar.

Anyhow, I don't think Williams will necessarily be resigned to the same fate that Arrington has suffered, but I don't think the comparison is as far-fetched as it seems.

 
Reminds me a bit of JJ Arrington in a few ways.
:X I think that's a horrible comparison.
Williams definitely flashes more quickness and he had a much better week at the Senior Bowl, but other than that their numbers are surprisingly similar. Height

Arrington - 5'8.7"

Williams - 5'9"

Weight

Arrington - 214

Williams - 214

Bench Press Reps

Arrington - 18

Williams - 25

Vertical Jump

Arrington - 35"

Williams - 35.5"

Broad Jump

Arrington - 10'1" best

Williams - 10'1" best

Three Cone Drill

Arrington - 6.81 s

Williams - 6.57 s *

Short Shuttle

Arrington - 4.10 s

Williams - 4.10 s *

Long Shuttle

Arrington - 11.07 s

Williams - 10.61 s *

40 Yard Dash

Arrington - 4.48 s

Williams - 4.44 s *

* denotes a result from Williams' pro day, where he only weighed 207 pounds. All of the other results for both players are from their combine performances.

As you can see, there doesn't seem to a big difference in raw physical measurables. They're almost exactly the same size with very similar raw performance numbers across the board. Williams has a big edge in the long shuttle and three cone drill, but it's important to note that he achieved these results minus seven pounds from his combine weight of 214.

As far as game performance goes, here are some numbers:

Senior Rushing Totals

Arrington - 289 carries for 2,018 yards (7.0 YPC) and 15 TDs

Williams - 309 carries for 1,959 yards (6.3 YPC) and 18 TDs

Arrington had more rushing yards and a higher YPC in a tougher conference. He almost certainly had a better coaching staff and supporting cast than Williams, but the fact remains that their production was very similar.

Anyhow, I don't think Williams will necessarily be resigned to the same fate that Arrington has suffered, but I don't think the comparison is as far-fetched as it seems.
I know I am coming into this discussion a little late. These are interesting numbers, but I would say that it still seems as though Williams is much more powerful based on his reps and a little quicker making him a better atheletic prospect, however was Arrington's problem the fact that he is a horrible back and too small or the fact that he played for the Cardinals. The Cardinals are not known for producing big time runningbacks, IIRC. I see Williams landing in a pretty good situation because he wont be drafted until the bottom half of the first round. In my mind that is at least half of why Arrington struggled so much.

Edit to add: I realise you qualified your statement by saying that you don't think that Williams will be resigned to the same fate but I think that the Cardinals made a bigger deal with Arrington than you do.

 
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Reminds me a bit of JJ Arrington in a few ways.
:X I think that's a horrible comparison.
Williams definitely flashes more quickness and he had a much better week at the Senior Bowl, but other than that their numbers are surprisingly similar. Height

Arrington - 5'8.7"

Williams - 5'9"

Weight

Arrington - 214

Williams - 214

Bench Press Reps

Arrington - 18

Williams - 25

Vertical Jump

Arrington - 35"

Williams - 35.5"

Broad Jump

Arrington - 10'1" best

Williams - 10'1" best

Three Cone Drill

Arrington - 6.81 s

Williams - 6.57 s *

Short Shuttle

Arrington - 4.10 s

Williams - 4.10 s *

Long Shuttle

Arrington - 11.07 s

Williams - 10.61 s *

40 Yard Dash

Arrington - 4.48 s

Williams - 4.44 s *

* denotes a result from Williams' pro day, where he only weighed 207 pounds. All of the other results for both players are from their combine performances.

As you can see, there doesn't seem to a big difference in raw physical measurables. They're almost exactly the same size with very similar raw performance numbers across the board. Williams has a big edge in the long shuttle and three cone drill, but it's important to note that he achieved these results minus seven pounds from his combine weight of 214.

As far as game performance goes, here are some numbers:

Senior Rushing Totals

Arrington - 289 carries for 2,018 yards (7.0 YPC) and 15 TDs

Williams - 309 carries for 1,959 yards (6.3 YPC) and 18 TDs

Arrington had more rushing yards and a higher YPC in a tougher conference. He almost certainly had a better coaching staff and supporting cast than Williams, but the fact remains that their production was very similar.

Anyhow, I don't think Williams will necessarily be resigned to the same fate that Arrington has suffered, but I don't think the comparison is as far-fetched as it seems.
I know I am coming into this discussion a little late. These are interesting numbers, but I would say that it still seems as though Williams is much more powerful based on his reps and a little quicker making him a better atheletic prospect, however was Arrington's problem the fact that he is a horrible back and too small or the fact that he played for the Cardinals. The Cardinals are not known for producing big time runningbacks, IIRC. I see Williams landing in a pretty good situation because he wont be drafted until the bottom half of the first round. In my mind that is at least half of why Arrington struggled so much.
I think there's a lot of merit to that argument.
 
IMO, JJ Arrington is a straight line runner who often goes down at first contact. If he doesn't have a hole to run through (like in Arizona last year), he's practically useless. DeAngelo, however, is much, much better in the open field at making people miss and he also runs with more power than Arrington. DeAngelo played on a terrible Memphis team with defenses constantly gearing up to stop him and he still managed to put up monster numbers. Arrington came out of Tedford's system playing behind a very good offensive line with a 1st round NFL pick at QB and a very potent passing game.

Apart from any similarities in their size and combine numbers, this is an apples and oranges comparison.

Anyway, I think DeAngelo has everything needed to be a stud RB in the NFL. I never once got that impression from Arrington.

 
I've said it before and I'll say it again but I think d-will will be the top ff rb from this year's rookie class. The situation surrounding reggie bush reminds me too much of when rickey williams(also a heisman winner) came out and ditka gave up his entire draft for him partly due to hype IMO. Well ricky had a few very good seasons but wasn't as productive as edge has been. Also I know for a fact that along with myself several of my dynasty leaguemates would use the #1 pick on d-will and not bush

 

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